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© Copyright 2024 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Russia has used North Korean ballistic missiles in Ukraine and is seeking Iranian missiles, U.S. says
By COLLEEN LONG and AAMER MADHANI WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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John
DORK missiles: all the quality and reliability you’ve come expect from DORK ammo at a higher price!
JJE
Did he provide any evidence?
From the article and images, it appears no. None. Zero. He can't even describe the alleged missile type - what a sham.
This is the same guy that cried for people in Ukraine but turned the other cheek to the slaughter he is enabling in Gaza. Nothing but a hypocrite and a professional liar.
John
Missile remains, forensic evidence LACK OF ACCURACY, that kind of thing.
Doesn’t look so good for the war criminal from Moscow to be dependent on a 4th rate arms. America, does it?
No wonder you deflect.
Desert Tortoise
South Korea and Estonia have been talking about DPRK arms transfers to Russia for a while now. There is such a thing as satellite imagery that allows nations to track such weapons as they are moved. stored and employed in combat.
https://www.38north.org/2023/11/russia-and-north-korea-a-growing-strategic-partnership/
Desert Tortoise
DPRK has been a long term supplier of ballistic missiles to Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis.
John
Corrected:
Apologies and damn you fat thumbs and autocorrect.
Desert Tortoise
More evidence of North Korean Arms in Russian state television and Russian social media.
https://www.nknews.org/2024/01/russian-media-provides-clearest-evidence-to-date-of-north-korean-arms-in-ukraine/
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/ukraine-11172023175355.html
theFu
The Security Council presentation will just be used to embarrass Russia, again. Nothing useful will happen. Russia has a veto.
JJE
Ukraine has been caught using NK supplied weaponry.
But this seems to be ignored.
UChosePoorly
More ‘decoys’ incoming!
Desert Tortoise
Russian propaganda straight from RT
TokyoLiving
Kyiv regime uses weapons from US and Europe... Same thing..
This is why it's called war..
2020hindsights
JJE
Yes:
Ukrainian soldiers were observed using North Korean rockets that they said were seized by a "friendly" country before being delivered to Ukraine, the Financial Times reported on Saturday.
North Korea's loss is Ukraine's gain.
2020hindsights
Thuban
Their side? The North Korean and Iranian missiles and drones are fired at civilian targets, so that can't be the reason.
Also, Russia isn't winning this war. They have already lost. It's just a matter of how many casualties they can be comfortable with.
Blacklabel
It’s 2024 and we still hearing this “Russia is losing” misinformation?
JJE
Ok, time for the facts. I went and watched Kirby's press conference - surprisingly short. Several things:
1) he had a visual display board that has two legacy photos of an alleged NK TEL firing a missile. It also features a simple map of Russia-Ukraine with almost no names, a simplistic "launch" arrow that looks to be near the only landmark - an unlabelled River Don, near an unmarked city of Voronezh.
2) he also alleged that not just missiles, but the Transporter Erector Launcher (TEL) systems were provided to Russia, and that they have been launched on more than one day this year (but there is of the comic book "launch" arrow).
3) The above display board provided no actual information and looks amateurish - as was the press conference as a whole.
4) The two stock photos appear to be the KN-23 and launcher.
5) nothing really makes sense; Russia has the Iskander system.
Here is an image of the display board:
https://www.cp24.com/world/russia-has-used-north-korean-ballistic-missiles-in-ukraine-and-is-seeking-iranian-missiles-u-s-says-1.6711601
2020hindsights
Blacklabel
No. Russia has lost. And it's not misinformation. Putin hasn't realised any of his war aims and now is just losing troops and money.
John
Im not sure which end of that hypothesis is more lol.
John
Attained a single one of their Strategic Goals yet? No?
They're losing.
2020hindsights
La vie douce
No. Russia has lost. And it's not misinformation. Putin hasn't realised any of his war aims and now is just losing troops and money.
You are looking at the wrong things. You need to look at the big picture.
Why do you think Putin invaded? He wants regime change in Kyiv, under a puppet that he controls. He wants a corridor all the way to Transnistria, including Odesa, so as to cut off the Black Sea and threaten Moldova. He wants Ukraine to be demilitarised. He wants NATO destabilised.
None of these aims have been realised. Russia has lost.
2020hindsights
La vie douce
OK, which of Putin's war aims has Russia achieved? Let me know.
deanzaZZR
Politics aside the North Korean military is happy to launch some of these suckers and see how well they perform. Analysis will be used to improve current stock in North Korea.
2020hindsights
La vie douce
Not achieving war aims is the definition of losing. Otherwise, what are the doing their? And do you think they will take Odesa? Outin has recently said that is one of his aims, yet, they look far from this outcome.
If that happens, then Russia has achieved none of its war aims and has lost.
I don't think we have any idea of likely outcomes. But I would say that if this is an outcome, then we haven't achieved peace, because if Putin is still in power, he will invade again.
So, I would strongly advise against such an outcome. Such an outcome is more likely to pull the US into conflict in the region and having to send in troops this time.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Presumably Putin would be calling for a ceasefire without conditions then. It's not like Ukraine is going to counteroffer with a ceasefire with Russian withdrawal or something.
This is the guy that went straight for the jugular by heading for Kyiv, though, so we have to trust him as far as he can be thrown.
UChosePoorly
Hopefully a lot more Russian casualties, at least under this current regime.