U.S. says Russia sending attack helicopters to Syria

Hey, Baby Assad needs some help here! Obama's not willing to help him, so the Russians are stepping up to the plate, lol.

I wonder if these helicopters are like the "WMD's" of Iraq. A figment of the US governments imagination and a good way to get people on board for another military adventure with them.

" A figment of the US governments imagination..."

And those bullets, rockets and missles will be a figment of imagination?

"Good job, Putin!! Keep that defiance spirits going!"

Yes, as opposed to Western interests, Vlad has only the best intentions for the people of Syria.

How can the Russians conscience their continued military sales to Syria?” Those insurgencies were CIA backed and theyw ere no innocent! Good to get rid of bandits! Good job, Putin!

paulinusa

" A figment of the US governments imagination..." And those bullets, rockets and missles will be a figment of imagination?

Funny that the Pentagon has come out and actually said they have no evidence that the supposed attack helicopters are actually even being sent to Syria. So Clinton claims they are, the Pentagon says they arnt. Whose telling the truth?

And the US government cant be that upset because they are ordering a few hundred million $ worth of helicopters from the same Russian suppliers they claim are sending helicopters to Syria.

Those insurgencies were CIA backed and theyw ere no innocent! Good to get rid of bandits! Good job, Putin!

And your proof of this is......

Does anybody actually believe the fairytale that the US government is concerned about the welfare of Syrian people.

The Pentagon is just peeved because their little CIA / Blackwater mini-insurgency in Syria is going as well as planned.

A lot of Western journalists who've actually visited Syria and seen what the rebels have done and who they are are starting to change their tone on this whole foreign instigated civil war.

The world seems better off with two bullies instead of just one.

The Pentagon is just peeved because their little CIA / Blackwater mini-insurgency in Syria is going as well as planned.

Even if this was true, why would the Pentagon ever be peeved about this?

Does anybody actually believe the fairytale that the US government is concerned about the welfare of Syrian people.

You mean, does anybody actually believe the fairytale that the Syrian government is telling the truth that they are innocent of ANY wrongdoing as well as the welfare of the Syrian people?

There, I fixed it for you.

The Pentagon is just peeved because their little CIA / Blackwater mini-insurgency in Syria is going as well as planned.

I never knew the CIA was small. Blackwater mini-insurgency? How about the world is peeved that Assad is the lowest piece of **** on the planet and that he would allow innocent children to be slaughtered and then have the world, let me repeat, the world to believe that some fictitious rebel force is causing this mayhem?!

That's two!

A lot of Western journalists who've actually visited Syria and seen what the rebels have done and who they are are starting to change their tone on this whole foreign instigated civil war.

Which Journalists, which foreign country? Please give us specifics.

The world seems better off with two bullies instead of just one.

There is only one bully and this time, you can't blame the attacks on the so called rebels or insurgents or the US for that matter. That means, the list of bullies to blame is running out....opps, only 1 bully left in Syria. Hmmmmm....

If Obama was doing what Assad is doing in Syria, everybody would be against the U.S. So why not against Syria?

Those gunships will be flown by Russian crews so there was nothing has to do with the Assad regeime! Talking conscience, the worst kind of conscience were those who selling billions of weapons to the Saudis whom were doing something worst and covered!

I am glad Russia is helping the Syrian government in its war against terror.

I am glad Russia is helping the Syrian government in its war against terror.

? I thought you were so much against foreign intervention? I guess you were mistaken about that, huh? You just want intervention on your side, huh?

Yemen is having the same issue as Syria and they seem to have no shortage of heavy weapons in their fight against terrorist insurgents.

So it's okay for the US to supply Yemen in their fight against Terror but Russia is not allowed to supply Syria in its fight against Terror?

The US is the biggest arms supplier in the world, who are they to complain when someone else makes a sale.

I hope these choppers finally put an end this violent terrorist insurgency so Syrians can finally live in peace.

So, Never Submit, you did not really mean it when you wrote that you wanted the Syrians to decide for themselves and that you did not want foreign intervention, huh?

NeverSubmit

Yemen is having the same issue as Syria and they seem to have no shortage of heavy weapons in their fight against terrorist insurgents. So it's okay for the US to supply Yemen in their fight against Terror but Russia is not allowed to supply Syria in its fight against Terror? The US is the biggest arms supplier in the world, who are they to complain when someone else makes a sale. I hope these choppers finally put an end this violent terrorist insurgency so Syrians can finally live in peace.

Exactly right. Maybe the Russians should also send in some drones and fire a few missiles in support of the Syrian government like the US is doing in Yemen. Or they could send in some ground troops like the US has. Funny how a certain nation can do one thing but gets upset when someone else does the same thing.

Yemen is having the same issue as Syria and they seem to have no shortage of heavy weapons in their fight against terrorist insurgents.

Except. I do believe the situation in Yemen truly is a popular uprising against a brutal dictator.

Ben,

Some countries have admitted they were financing these so-called rebels, and McCain admitted these countries were also arming the rebels.

Russia is helping the Syrian government protect its citizens against foreign-backed terrorists. Allies helping each other to fight against terrorists is nothing unusual.

Funny how a certain nation can do one thing but gets upset when someone else does the same thing.

Just curious, does this mean you support the Assad government and their actions? It certainly seems like you do.

So it's okay for the US to supply Yemen in their fight against Terror but Russia is not allowed to supply Syria in its fight against Terror?

NeverSubmit

Can you please tell me what is wrong with your statement?

Despite withering criticism from the West, [Russia] insists that any arms it supplies to Syria are not being used to quell anti-government dissent.

Heh....no, they aren't killing their people with these weapons, they're killing their people with those other weapons. Not ours.

Just curious, does this mean you support the Assad government and their actions? It certainly seems like you do.

No it means that a certain country gets upset when someone supports another nation in a civil war. Yet it is doing EXACTLY the same and more in another nation. That is what l said and that is what l meant.

Oh and as l said earlier this seems like the US crying wolf AGAIN! Clinton says one thing and the Pentagon says a different thing you would think they would get their stories straight before throwing around claims.

NeverSubmit: Does anybody actually believe the fairytale that the US government is concerned about the welfare of Syrian people.

Does anyone actually believe the fairytale that you are concerned about the welfare of the Syrian people?

No it means that a certain country ...

Listen, I did not think my question was a difficult one. You are under no obligation to answer. However, it seems that you do indeed support the Assad regime. I just find that rather interesting. Try to keep focused on one country at a time if you can.

If only George Bush was back in the saddle, he'd know what to do Cletus.

Diplomatic hopes have rested on Washington and Moscow agreeing on a transition plan that would end the four-decade Assad regime.

It is America's habit to initiate and organize regime change operations in various countries all across the globe, when they do not like the present regime in some country. Usually this costs blood and pain, and Syria is no exception.

Syria is no exception.

Yes, there certainly are a couple of posters saying this. Will you, I wonder, be different from the rest and provide some source for your claim that this is not a homegrown movement against the Assad government? Don't worry, I am not holding my breath.

@Ben Jack

Will you, I wonder, be different from the rest and provide some source for your claim that this is not a homegrown movement against the Assad government?

We have seen this movie for so many occasions in the past. It may take some time for the full direct evidence to accumulate. Meanwhile we witness all the familiar symptoms, including the motive, the supply channels, the open siding with one side and the plainspoken demand for regime change.

Yet, still no source for your claim that this is not a homegrown movement against the Assad government? Glad I did not hold my breath.

Yet, still no source for your claim that this is not a homegrown movement against the Assad government?

Again and again....

Only one question - who has grown this movement, who gives money, weapons?

who has grown this movement

Good question. What is the answer and what is the basis or source for that answer?

The case of Syria might bear some resemblance to the case of Afghanistan (1979), another Moslem country. In that case it was falsely claimed for quite a period that the uprising was homegrown. There was a golem, however, and there was a creator. The former turned against the latter, eventually.

More words, but no answer to the simple question I posed about Syria and what seems to be a homegrown rebellion such as what we have seen in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia.

Ben can you "prove" to everybody here that the rebellion in Yemen is or isn't homegrown. Can you "prove" that the insurrection in Syria is or isn't homegrown.

Who can prove anything on the internet? I can provide my links and you'll just provide yours.

We can "prove" things with links for the next million years to no end.

Being humans however we (some of us at least) have the capacity to deduce and reason. That capacity allows us to conclude that there's no way a supposed rag tag group of disgruntled tribesman can somehow magically garnish sophisticated assault weapons in their hands along with accompanying ammunition, which seems to be endless, to mount a 15 month campaign against a fully armed modern army. There must be outside help, otherwise they would have been crushed in days.

Anybody familiar with modern warfare knows that a few clowns with handguns and pistols couldn't possibly pin down a professional army. Unless of course they have trained officers and professional mercenaries in their midst, along with satellite and communications support.

This insurgency was started and is maintained by foreign interests, and the people involved need more foreign help so their new tactic is to commit massacres in vain attempt to lure the UN into approving full fledged intervention.

Well at least you've made it to the first step which is to say that you're just speculating. The second step would be to ask yourself why you're speculating to one side more than any other source in the entire world besides the Syrian government itself.

---what seems to be a homegrown rebellion such as what we have seen in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia.

Yes, there is an attempt to create an impression that one spontaneous homegrown wave sweeps through several countries of the relevant region in a uniform manner. (And this wave is assisted by air bombardments when needed... see Libya.)

I don't know. May be Hillary is right. But i don't worry about it. I hope Assad will be winner and Hillary will be loser. I sure that Hillary need relax and wine. Also don't forget please that some years ago USA was drop white phosphor on Iraq.

Ben can you "prove" to everybody here that the rebellion in Yemen is or isn't homegrown. Can you "prove" that the insurrection in Syria is or isn't homegrown.

There is more than enough proof from various independent sources and journalists that are risking their lives to get factual reporting, reporting that the criminal Assad regime is NOT allowing. So can you "disprove" that it's NOT the Syrian government.

Anybody familiar with modern warfare knows that a few clowns with handguns and pistols couldn't possibly pin down a professional army. Unless of course they have trained officers and professional mercenaries in their midst, along with satellite and communications support.

Yes, see Syrian government.

This insurgency was started and is maintained by foreign interests, and the people involved need more foreign help so their new tactic is to commit massacres in vain attempt to lure the UN into approving full fledged intervention.

NeverSubmit-you seem to insist with 100% certainty and without a shadow of doubt that over and over again that Syria is being overrun with foreign fighters. So the UN, Annon, The U.S., Europe, independent journalists are all lying and have no idea as to what's going on, but Assad does. Do we need a clarification of the Syrian government or better yet, the Assad regime. Yes, we know you are Pro-Assad, if you are, then just say so, stand your position and be proud, I can and probably everyone else can respect that, that is your prerogative, but I think it is irresponsible of you to try to convince people here that can clearly see what's going on. You spew constant talking points and claim them to be factual, but come back and criticize anyone, that contradicts your statements as being Non-factual. Don't you think your arguments look Swiss cheese?

Never Submit, YGHome3, etc,

Still no sources, huh? Why so confident that this movement in Syria is not homegrown, then? I never said I had all the answers. I just find it hard to trust people that say they do and then cannot back up what they say.

@Ben Jack

Still no sources, huh?

In some sense you are right: Probably nobody can point as yet to a specific location and time when clan heads where approached and offered specific benefits in return for overthrowing the present Syrian government, as well as specific means and methods for accomplishing this. And if anyone can point to such data, they do not participate in this thread of discussion. I, and I believe also others in this thread who criticize America, are just people with a critical mind who read the news, try to understand the reality through the thick rain of misinformation, and who make inferences from partial but clear facts, as well as via extrapolation from the proven behavior of the superpower over many decades and even beyond.

YGHome3,

In other words, you really have no idea. Thanks, that is kind of what I thought. I appreciate the answer.

Ben Jack, much more specific information is available now which confirms that America stands behind the regime change operation in Syria. See e.g. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9334707/US-holds-high-level-talks-with-Syrian-rebels-seeking-weapons-in-Washington.html

The fact that America stands behind this operation has been obvious anyway, but we don't have to wait years for the details to float. They are beginning to float already now.

I dont understand that all of us posters on here arent even from syria or have ties to it so why we all bicker over this