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U.S. sets the stage for COVID booster shots for millions

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By LAURAN NEERGAARD and MIKE STOBBE

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This will upset the anti Vax contingent this morning.

Excellent news. Let's put Covid to bed this winter.

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No that the “ this isn’t approved by the FDA” excuse is no longer an option, what will the anti-vaxxers claim now?

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*Other Americans, healthy or not, have managed to get boosters, in some cases *simply by asking

Wow!

That is cool and sounds really easy.

4 ( +11 / -7 )

Nothing in this article even discusses actual data that confirms boosters are needed or at what point.

Biden said nearly everyone needed them at a randomly determined 8 months, then Fauci said 5 months now it’s only some people.

The messaging is unreliable and emotion based. “Can’t hurt” to get a booster if you are older ir have certain conditions is basically what they have.

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Ah Happy Day: Have you seen how many jabs they are getting in arms? Guess not. They have experienced similar waves and troughs as other countries. I know what you are trying to say in a roundabout way... That your 'therapeutics' had something to do with that. Well... The rest of us know that is a load of old rubbish and has been debunked by credible Indian media.

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We had our second jab this week and that is it. No third jab. But we live in an isolated location so I don't feel we really need it.

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Nothing in this article even discusses actual data that confirms boosters are needed or at what point.

And? Even if it did, it wouldn't change your mind. You don't believe the vaccines are effective, despite all the evidence.

Biden said nearly everyone needed them at a randomly determined 8 months, then Fauci said 5 months now it’s only some people.

Randomly? What makes you think it's random?

The messaging is unreliable and emotion based. “Can’t hurt” to get a booster if you are older ir have certain conditions is basically what they have.

I think it's a bit more nuanced than "can't hurt." At any rate, how aren't anti-vax arguments "emotion based"? What facts do anti-vaxxers actually have?

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How many more booster shots of this experimental vaccine will be needed and what will be the long term effects? It's something we must consider.

And.......

This, despite concern among some experts that the extra shots will do little to slow the pandemic.

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@Concerned Citizen: What experimental vaccine is that then? Pfizer's Comirnaty vacciine has been fully approved in the US since August 23rd.

2 ( +11 / -9 )

The fact that you can still get COVID even after vaccinated.

can still be hospitalized ,can still die.

can also die from vaccine.

the fact that there is no data telling us the exact time frame when each vaccine loses efficacy.

the fact that Biden said everyone needs booster shots but how they don’t.

Is a 30 year old vaccinated in March still protected enough? or is this why there are so many “breakthrough” cases now?

these facts?

-2 ( +14 / -16 )

It is not experimental. Super computers were also used in the development. We have long passed experimental vaccines using eggs from chickens. Get with the modern age.

-4 ( +12 / -16 )

If I am allowed to take Vaccine for the third time, I will gladly take it.

0 ( +10 / -10 )

Thousands of young children have covid and are hospitalized.

https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

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The fact that you can still get COVID even after vaccinated. 

can still be hospitalized ,can still die. 

can also die from vaccine.

The chance of the these things happening are still far, far lower than the alternative. Nothing is 100% safe or effective. But wise people choose the least risky option. And the one that will slow the pandemic.

You seem to distrust all the experts because of some inconsistency, contradiction, or fuzziness in the data. Sorry, but that's how science works, especially with a novel virus. Are you going to refuse to get on an airplane because sometimes they crash?

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No thank you. If the vaccine is so good then why do we need to continue it with more shots? No way. When I had the chicken pox I had one and now with this they want me to get a shot every few months? Lol

Nope, That’s m good.

-3 ( +12 / -15 )

We did that and have a certificate showing and proving that. 

what is the expiration date of that certificate?

-1 ( +9 / -10 )

Blacklabel 

We did that and have a certificate showing and proving that. 

what is the expiration date of that certificate?

It does not have one. It has the dates of the vaccinations and provider which was our local hospital and has the hospital hanko. We can also visit the city office and receive a vaccination certificate for traveling.

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Im not messing with you, im being serious......

so there was no discussion about how long it lasts or when it stops working?

You arent concerned about any of that?

or just at some point you expect to get a letter telling you its booster time?

regardless, good that you are now "protected against the unvaccinated", as the story goes.

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 It has the dates of the vaccinations and provider which was our local hospital and has the hospital hanko. 

Your certificate does not state "fully vaccinated for life", it states that you only received two doses and the dates you received them.

Israel for one, won't recognize that certificate once 6 months has passed.

What will do you when mandates start to require 3 doses, and then 4 and so on?

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No it does not but only has to last until the covid is beaten or brought under control. 

I have some bad news then, sorry.

"Coronavirus pandemic will be with us for a long time, WHO warns"

https://www.france24.com/en/20200801-coronavirus-pandemic-will-be-with-us-for-a-long-time-who-warns

"COVID-19 will likely be with us forever. Here's how we'll live with it."

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/covid-19-will-likely-be-with-us-forever-heres-how-well-live-with-it

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Moderna CEO then, as I am not "special" (so sad, isnt everyone special in the woke culture of 2021) :

"Those who do not get vaccinated will immunize themselves naturally, because the Delta variant is so contagious. In this way we will end up in a situation similar to that of the flu. You can either get vaccinated and have a good winter. Or you don't do it and risk getting sick and possibly even ending up in hospital."

Of course he also mentioned boosters basically forever, in some combination with flu shots.

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the CEO also knows the vaccines expire as he said this

Bancel said he expected governments to approve booster shots for people already vaccinated because patients at risk who were vaccinated last autumn "undoubtedly" needed a refresher.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-chief-executive-sees-pandemic-over-year-newspaper-2021-09-23/

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

I have referenced the WHO, National Geographic science, Reuters and the CEO of Moderna.

Also the agreed upon facts that vaccinated people can get COVID, pass COVID and be hospitalized and die from it in some cases.

What is the propaganda and who is the propagandist out of those?

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Blacklabel

why are you quoting the WHO which you have rejected and dismissed numerous times?

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theResident

Incidentally - if you've vaccinated (in Japan) and travelling to the UK you don't even need a preflight PCR test from October 4th. Or Quarantine. Just a pre booked 2 day test. Unvaccinated..lot of paperwork still.

That prebooked 2 day test. Is the cost is like the PCR one which costs 90 pounds?

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@zichi - As of now, its still a PCR. Variable price depending if you self administer/in person at clinic. All on the gov.uk website. But - It seems that by the end of October that this will be abandoned for a lateral flow test.

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Bass: If the vaccine is so good then why do we need to continue it with more shots?

Because it drastically reduces your odds of getting the virus, drastically reduces your odds of needing to be hospitalized, and drastically reduces the odds that it will kill you.

If those things do not interest you, then I suppose you can say it doesn't do a whole lot.

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He's telling you the vaccine is safe - and urging you to take it.

And?

Your personal decision is he is wrong, as you claim the vaccine is both ineffective and dangerous.

That’s not my personal decision.

Why is Trump recommending his supporters take it, when as you say, the vaccine can cause significant physical harm?

Trump, Fauci and Biden can say whatever they want, they do what they do and so will I.

You don't listen to Trump? Since when?

I don’t listen to anyone except my own doctor.

-6 ( +4 / -10 )

Burning Bush

Your certificate does not state "fully vaccinated for life", it states that you only received two doses and the dates you received them.

No, it does not but only has to last until the covid is beaten or brought under control. My "life" for me will probably be shorter than for you.

The combination measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is a two-dose vaccine series that effectively protects against all three viruses. After the second dose, about 97 percent of people are protected. So 3% could become infected.

Israel for one, won't recognize that certificate once 6 months have passed.

No problem because I will not be visiting Israel but the only requirement would be a covid test before flying. Even after full vaccinations, testing is still required for traveling.

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Not much research on a booster shot...where is the Science?

Is everyone just going to trust a private company which is beholden to share holders?

-4 ( +4 / -8 )

I note the third shot is EUA and not fully approved...

Cart before the horse again in regard to long term data after vaccinating...which will be too late

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

why are you quoting the WHO which you have rejected and dismissed numerous times?

because it is an acceptable source to you? so you should have no issue with agreeing with them? Unless they are now "propaganda" to you too?

Its better than just repetitively and facetiously quoting Donald Trump saying the vaccine is great like the other poster does, i thought.

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Blacklabel

why are you quoting the WHO which you have rejected and dismissed numerous times?

because it is an acceptable source to you? so you should have no issue with agreeing with them? Unless they are now "propaganda" to you too?

Its better than just repetitively and facetiously quoting Donald Trump saying the vaccine is great like the other poster does, i thought.

I didn't post a single comment about WHO since the start of the pandemic.

I have my reservations about the WHO even before the Covid.

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It is hilarious to read people going on about the booster like it is something out of the ordinary.

Those the recieved the early versions of Polio and measles vaccine needed boosters, people in construction, firefighters, etc...get tetanus boosters and the influenza vaccine is yearly, (note the vaccine does not protect for a year just that because influenza is usually seasonal a new shot just before the season starts is the usual procedure.).

So get over it.

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I live in the U.S. and already have my booster shot. I just asked my Doctor and he said ok. I know 3 people who died from COVID-19 who were unvaccinated. I got the Pfizer shot with zero side effects.

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The fact that you can still get COVID even after vaccinated.

and even people that catch covid unvaccinated can catch it again

can still be hospitalized ,can still die.

90+% of people dying in hospitals are not vaccinated, data from the CDC Japan UK many other EU countries have very similar results, FACT

can also die from vaccine.

162million vaccinated in the US as of August about 1500 vaccinated have died from Covid, compared to

660000 that have died unvaccinated,

now if youre suggesting the vaccines are causing mass deaths then youll need to provide reputable data from reputable research institutes CDC etc, otherwise your just stating opinions you read off the internet.

almost 5 million have died of covid worldwide

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Those the recieved the early versions of Polio and measles vaccine needed boosters, people in construction, firefighters, etc...get tetanus boosters and the influenza vaccine is yearly, (note the vaccine does not protect for a year just that because influenza is usually seasonal a new shot just before the season starts is the usual procedure.).

anybody joining the US military must be vaccinated for around 15 different diseases, its compulsory , if you refuse you dont get to join

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Nope. I’m saying what “usually” happens doesn’t matter to the 1500+ people who died from the vaccine. nor the 10% who got vaccinated and died anyway.

Those “most of this” or “most of that” numbers don’t matter at all to them or their families.

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Black: Those “most of this” or “most of that” numbers don’t matter at all to them or their families.

What a dumb position to take.

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Blacklabel

Nope. I’m saying what “usually” happens doesn’t matter to the 1500+ people who died from the vaccine. nor the 10% who got vaccinated and died anyway.

Where are you plucking the 1,500 from?

"Mark W. Kline, M.D.

"Children are being put at risk for serious illness and death by unvaccinated adults. Is there an acceptable pediatric body count? I think not. If you’re an adult who cares about the health and well-being of children too young to be vaccinated, get the vaccine. It’s that simple."

https://www.wwno.org/public-health/2021-09-23/covid-19-deaths-in-children-are-mounting-heres-what-you-need-to-know

Doctors shoot down tweet claiming coverup of coronavirus-vaccine-related deaths in Japan

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210906/p2a/00m/0sc/016000c

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Nope. I’m saying what “usually” happens doesn’t matter to the 1500+ people who died from the vaccine. nor the 10% who got vaccinated and died anyway.

So, we shouldn't be vaccinating people, because 1,500 people have died? That is just unacceptable, but somehow you believe losing 600,000 people and more is acceptable, and we should just continue on, business as usual. Genius. How do you think the families of the 1% who don't survive Covid-19 feel?

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"Let's put COVID to bed this winter..." lol. What on earth led you to make THAT conclusion?

The "science" says the Vaccine or boosters do NOT stop the spread of COVID. They do NOT stop people from getting, carrying, and suffering from COVID. Oh by the way, the global average for FIRST vaccines (not second aka "fully vaxxed"...er, until this third shot comes along, that is!) still stand at under 43.3% so...unless you're prepared to wall your country off from the rest of the world, forever, like some countries are willing to do? Yeah, COVID is HERE TO STAY.

Now, about "the science". Take the quotes from the above article, for instance:

-The CDC recommends boosters "This, despite concern among some experts that the extra shots will do little to slow the pandemic" and "over strong objections from the World Health Organization that poor countries don't have enough for their initial doses."

-They're pushing for all aged 65 or over to get a booster, yet "Millions more Americans still will face confusion." Why? "The government...has NO DATA on whether it’s SAFE (??) or effective to mix-and-match and give (those vaccinated with alternative brands) a Pfizer shot". NO DATA.

But don't worry, right? Just Do It, (Or Else!) "While an extra dose revs up numbers of virus-fighting antibodies, those naturally wane over time and NO ONE KNOWS how long the antibody boost from a third Pfizer dose will last." Similarly, NO ONE KNOWS (again, according to this very article) "how much protection it really adds since the immune system also forms additional defenses after vaccination."

The "science" apparently, is not as cut-and-dry as some would allege it to be. And of course! Government first and foremost, ALWAYS look out for the welfare of citizens, and would NEVER put political expediency over health or "science", right? Everyone knows this! I mean, just ask the seniors in New York who had their nursing homes taken over by sick COVID patients, on government's, not doctor's, orders. (Wait, you can't ask them, because they're dead, aren't they? Never mind.)

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