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© 2018 AFPMueller recommends no jail time for Flynn; calls his cooperation 'substantial'
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PTownsend
More examples, as if any more were needed, of a Trump backing, me-centric, money uber alles, country-be-damned WITCH.
Hunted down, but I still think they should LOCK FLYNN UP!
bass4funk
Why?
cla68
Hopefully President Trump will pardon General Flynn and give him a job in his administration. Perhaps Secretary of Homeland Security.
PTownsend
Because Flynn has so many Russian friends, do you think he'd make it easier for y'all to get into and stay in the US were he head of Homeland Security?
Toasted Heretic
There's an ongoing investigation, y'see and these things require time. In some cases, deals are cut and the criminal is let go in order to net a bigger fish.
Criminal cases can sometimes take years to proceed.
Not just in the US but in the rest of the world, too.
Toasted Heretic
LOL
Good luck with getting a reply to that.
CrazyJoe
As much as I would like to #LockHimUp, I would much prefer that Flynn's "substantial contributions" to the investigation result in seeing the entire crime syndicate's family locked up, including the bloviating snitgibbon himself.
bass4funk
But what happens if that fish leads to someone other than the President, let’s say a few Democrats or someone other than the President, you’d still be equally as satisfied with the results of the investigation, right?
And oftentimes lead to nothing.
Toasted Heretic
Sure, as I've said many times, I'm not a Democrat. I'm not an American, either. But as your reckless Govt endangers not just the US but the rest of the world, I want to see justice done. No matter how long it takes.
Anyway, in all likelyhood this will lead to more headaches for the Trump administration, so it's all good for me.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/04/michael-flynn-sentence-mueller-trump-russia-investigation-latest
PTownsend
Any person, regardless of political affiliation, regardless of position, regardless of their family, found having committed a crime of any sort needs to be brought to justice.
Get some Mueller! Clean the swamp!
stormcrow
Lock him . . . WHAT?!
Well, the info he's got on Trump must be pretty good to warrant a pardon from Mueller. Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall when the Mueller team is interviewing Flynn?
BTW, this is exactly what the FBI does when they eliminate a mob family.
HBO should make a TV series in the near future called The Trumpanos.
"Hey, D! Whadayathink? Should we take 'im out?"
D: " 'Dey ain't stand-up guys! Rub 'doze rats out. 'Dey flipped. Why didn' 'dey take 'du fiff? Squealers!"
Chip Star
Yes, because we aren't hyperpartisan to the point of hoping criminals walk free, unlike Trump supporters.
So, no reason to even bother?
Wc62six
Heh-Heh...... what did he say? “I’ve got @ story to tell.” Guess it wasn’t really a big deal after all.
Chip Star
Given Mueller recommended no prison time, you guess incorrectly.
CrazyJoe
Bob Mueller. There's an American.
lincolnman
Lt Gen Micheal "I'm a ranting, raving, lunatic nut" Flynn shows how loyal he is to Trump by giving Mueller and his team everything they were asking for, i.e., "very cooperative." Flynn, along with Manafort, were at the front of the campaign communicating with the Russians, so he I'm sure had some interesting tales to tell. Don Jr, Ivanka and Jared should be very worried - and along with the Great Orange Impostor.
I was hoping he'd get a little time in jail - just so we could see him in his orange jumpsuit - and let the "lock him up" memes proliferate...
u_s__reamer
It has been obvious from the start that the only time Flynn will be doing is "Mueller Time" while continuing to enjoy all the privileges and perks he as a paid up member of the the elite class of Amerika feels himself entitled to and deserving of. "Service to the country" etc. is always cited to excuse the most egregious violations of law and to justify the greatest perk of all: impunity for the shameless crimes of the rich and powerful.
PTownsend
It's been interesting reading so many Trump supporting Americans attack Mueller. Mueller's spent his entire life upholding the cornerstones of American democracy. Trump has given little if anything (even cheats on his taxes http://time.com/5416649/trump-tax-lessons/) and daily tries to undermine the country's ever weakening foundations of democracy, attacking the intelligence agencies, Congress, the judiciary, and any outlet in the free, for-profit press that questions his decisions. While kissing up to despots that want to bring down the US.
But somehow some in Trump's base claim Mueller's the problem, to them Mueller's the one who's un-American. While Mueller and the intelligence agencies try to protect the US from Russian 'meddling', these same Trump supporters want to stop any investigation that might show Trump to be the slimy politician he is.
Mueller's story is interesting: https://www.wired.com/story/robert-mueller-vietnam/
bass4funk
I’ve always wondered why so many non-Americans care about what goes on in the US, I could care less what happens in other countries.
You want? I want the rest of the world worry about their own State of affairs.
Nothing that they can’t handle, been doing it since he’s been in office, they’re pro at this stuff now.
Laguna
Trump must be going nuts, what with GHWB's funeral preventing him from Lashing out at Flynn on Twitter. Come Friday, I anticipate an avalanche.
Wonder when Donny Jr. will be indicted and how he'll react. Will he turn on his dad or risk jail time?
lincolnman
We know...
They are with the exception of Russia who is waging war against Ukraine, aiding dictators and tyrants around the world, and oh yes, interfering in our election and colluding with the current President.
They're certainly pro's at getting indicted and lying to the FBI...
Toasted Heretic
Odd, then, that you "could care less" when Russian interference has derailed your own country.
The problem being that your state of affairs affects us all. And as long as that continues, we'll be commenting here and elsewhere about it.
Most criminal syndicates are - until the crimes stack up and the evidence cannot be dismissed anymore.
ulysses
Mueller is sending out the right message, tell the truth, cooperate with the law and help in getting other criminals locked up, you can expect leniency.
Lack of a college education sometimes limits your interest in what is beyond your immediate horizon.
bass4funk
As well as the President in all of his red, white and blue.
Yeah, you can believe that if you like....
http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/how-corrupt-is-bob-mueller-allowed-four-men-to-rot-in-prison-knew-they-were-innocent-costs-taxpayers-102-million/
He wouldn’t be the first and won’t be the last.
The Democrats haven't been exactly helpful either.
The same people that are trying to bring him down, so in other words you think they should unjustifiably attack him and he should just take it? Not going to happen.
Very true. If he were a true and just or righteous person then he would have went after the pantsuit lady and the Podesta brothers and Lois Lerner
Or flipmode, the Mueller team could be covering up Democratic collusion, oh, the real possibilities
bass4funk
The President as well. Remember, the world got on him for NOT being a globalist and too PRO-American.
Until I seee him indicted, arrested, charged and locked up, yes, I do.
I think it’s just a bunch of crock that the left are just angry because in spite of their best efforts they still can’t get this President.
Ok, I disagree with you.
Of course not, let’s just overlook the dead body and the stench, gotcha.
Serrano
General Flynn is a Three Star General. Mueller is a fraud. Any questions?
lincolnman
No questions - you can't fix stupid...
And by the way, your 3-star general has sat down with decorated Vietnam Vet Robert Mueller 19 times providing all sorts of dirt on your President and his criminal cronies - still think he's such a great guy?
This was after he admitted lying under oath...
PTownsend
Which one sold his services to Turkey's dictator and then lied about it?
Which one had to resign his appointment because he was caught out lying?
Which one was secretly meeting with Russians and then lied about it?
I know you've posted you're pro-Russian, but as an American I think when liars like Flynn are secretly meeting with people from a country that's meddling in US affairs it makes me think Flynn is a genuine, real threat to American security.
Strangerland
Hah! trump is too stupid to have even known how bad it was going to get. He had been surrounded by yes men for so long that he thought presidenting would be easy. Your entire comment is based on a clearly faulty premise.
Serrano
lincoln - Pure speculation on your part. You have no idea what Flynn told Mueller.
Oh, any evidence of collusion yet? Hint: There isn't any.
PTownsend
And you know this because...? Pure speculation on your part. You have no idea what Mueller knows.
lincolnman
How do you know?
There isn't any in your mind, and never will be - even after Mueller releases the smoking gun...Manafort, Gates, Cohen, Flynn, Papadapolous, Don Jr, Jared, all meeting with Russians and keeping Trump informed.
We get that the whole "denial" thing about Trumpers - its the same with all members of a cult...
plasticmonkey
Because he's rich but is ultimately not particularly accomplished at anything except being a snake oil salesman. Nor has he contributed anything at all positive to society. That is his legacy; write it on his tombstone when he's gone: an inherited fortune squandered on ugly buildings, bankrupt casinos, trophy wives and pornstars, a scam university, and a tabloid media presence. Would that make you proud? It wouldn't me. This man is a stain on America that will be very hard to erase. He's ended up in politics because he himself knows there's nothing else left to his vacuous life. In a way, I feel sorry for this pathetic creep, but then I think about the way he's dragged everybody else down into his own depravity with his insipid Twitter presidency. No, I don't feel sorry for him, and I certainly don't respect his move into politics. You've got to be kidding.
I would be very happy to see this "man" live out his days in a deserved public shaming that he has long deserved. But I doubt this will ever happen. America is too broken, and Trump's presidency is evidence for that.
I'll give Flynn a break, though.
Serrano
"How do you know?"
Oh, so you DO know! Tell us, then, lincoln, what did Flynn tell Mueller? Oh, so you don't actually know!
"even after Mueller releases the smoking gun..."
Dream on.
SuperLib
This story about Mueller is fake news. It was debunked by the actual judge who presided over the case who said Mueller wasn't part of the situation in any way, shape, or form.
Despite that, Trump fans are still going around trying to spread it. I doubt they really care if it's true or not anyway. Anything to save the deal leader...
lincolnman
I didn't say I knew - I asked how do you know? So, how do you know?
Yes, that's Aerosmith...great song...
The noose get's tighter...
Serrano
What are all the Russian collusion brainwashed masses going to do when Mueller finally admits finding no evidence of Trump colluding during the election?
Serrano
"I didn't say I knew - I asked how do you know? So, how do you know?"
I don't. Only Mueller and his cronies know, lincoln.
SuperLib
Probably move on the the other list of crimes.
It's actually a win-win for us. I'll be there grinning that Trump's circle will be in orange jumpsuits, and you'll be there grinning that collusion wasn't the reason they are in jail.
We both get what we want.
Blacklabel
He didn’t cooperate against Trump. His “significant contribution” is actually to another ongoing criminal case outside of the Mueller investigation according to NBC News. Oops!
Blacklabel
NBC News: There appears, although the redacted documents do not make it completely clear, that there is a separate criminal investigation going on outside of Special Counsel Robert Mueller's purview for which Flynn has been providing significant assistance.
no jail time. All that speculation over nothing.
Haaa Nemui
That's exactly what I read from this article... This specific paragraph.
A heavily redacted addendum to the Flynn memorandum Tuesday added more tantalizing hints. It indicated that Flynn was also aiding one or more other federal criminal investigations related to the Trump campaign, but not being led by Mueller.
SuperLib
Are you using the MSM as a source? Can we do that too or are you still not allowing it?
Laguna
Probably none provable of Trump. He tweets but doesn't use email, leaving no evidence. He's happy to kick to the curb those who tell the truth while praising those who stonewall - and that in itself might be obstruction of justice, dangling the carrot of a pardon in exchange for lying or pleading the 5th (ironic, as Trump once famously said, "Only guilty people plead the 5th").
My guess is he'll survive a single term as he watches those close to him either turn on him or be jailed - and this includes family members. He will grow increasingly isolated and paranoid. The power of the presidency will be greatly superseded by that of Congress. And then Trump will fade away, and no flags will be flown at half-mast at his funeral.
HonestDictator
God, this country is having such a s-show.
I'm already focusing on what I can do to protest the un-American/ anti-democratic moves that the GOP has been making in other states. Blatant corruption and abuse of power. Trump's GOP in a nutshell. Party before country in a nutshell.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/04/us/wisconsin-republicans-power.html
https://www.channel3000.com/news/politics/elections/wisconsin-legislature-returns-after-recess-to-debate-executive-powers-bill/912105089
I'm at the point I want these people removed from their positions by FORCE, as they have no dignity, integrity, nor any respect for democracy. The Trumpeteers here are also lacking in this capacity, and I don't respect fools.
Wisconsin, Michigan, North Carolina are all dealing with a literal corrupt Republican REGIME.
Mueller will hopefully get such devastating information to Trumps corruption that the current GOP regime will have to gag on their own evil deeds. I've never come to despise a political organization as I have today with what the Republican "party" is doing.
mukashiyokatta
He sang like Caruso! Start increasing production of the orange jumpsuits! Over to you, Trump supporters!
bass4funk
So that means if they compose, they’re looking at a sweet deal. And since Trump can pardon them, they don’t have to worry about being locked up for very long.
I doubt very much they will see the cold metal of a jail cell.
But thank God we got a conservative Senate now so that makes the pie even sweeter.
In a liberal alternate universe, probably.
Sneezy
Just so we’re clear, what is the right’s conspiracy theory here?
Bass and others keep saying that people are making up lies to get off of harsh sentences, but are also drooling over the potential for Trump to pardon them for their criminal acts.
If you’d be pardoned anyway, why make stuff up? Bass goes “oh, prison is so terrible”, but if Trump is just going to pardon members of his criminal empire, as bass suggests, why bother making stuff up?
Face facts. The fish rots from the head, and Trump’s children, employees, friends, associates, and paymasters are all criminals.
Fatboy lardbucket Trump’s only defence that he isn’t a criminal is that he is too stupid to know what’s going on around him, which to be fair is a believeable defense.
bass4funk
Criminal empire? There’s no proof of that whatsoever, so if you think that Mueller is the honest cop in this, others can think the exact opposite and looking at the evidence that Mueller has now and add to that Mueller’s own questionable history of exerting his authority as a cop is something not to be understated.
Again, there is it proof of that, if there were and especially with what Mueller knows from all these people, everyone would be behind bars and that will never happen.
He doesn’t need to, that’s the reason why he has legal counsel, as does every other president
SuperLib
Looks like Trump fans have mostly given up on the thought that any of these people are innocent and are putting all of their eggs into the pardon basket. I suppose it's all they have left.
bass4funk
I wouldn’t say that, if this desperate witch hunt has to find something, anything to justify its existence, then thankfully thr President has his Presidential pardoning powers which he can use to make wrongs right.
SuperLib
Nah, the only ones making accusations about improper actions are Trump, his fans, and some Republicans. That would be me like saying, "Clinton, Huffington Post, and I say Clinton is innocent, the DOJ is corrupt, and the president should pardon her." I'm guessing you wouldn't put much stock into that.
Besides, if there was any evidence of improper action the investigation would have been stopped a long time ago.
Strangerland
And? You say this as if it has any relevance to anything.
Strangerland
The problem is, their guys are clearly in the wrong, and there is no reasonable defense of the things they have done. But they still want to score points, remember, this is the hyper-partisan game of arguing your point on the internet. Since they have no justification on a legal or moral ground for the things their guys have done, which are increasingly showing themselves to be illegal and immoral, this is the only point left that they can try to score; "well he's going to get let out anyways!". It makes them feel a little better about their hyper-partisanship, since they can still try to score a few emotional points for their ego.
It's like kids who say 'I know you are, but what am I?'. It's the only thing they have left to say at that point.
Strangerland
It is. They're trying to find their dopamine rush from scoring hyper-partisan points anywhere they can, and at this moment all they have left is 'but they'll be pardoned!', as if we're silly enough to think that means anything.
bass4funk
And it would seem that the Democrats are doing the same they jump in where head of the game.
At the president is not arrested and the president is in office, and will continue to remain there and even if he were to be indicted on some frivolous accusation can with this and it will never remove him. I think that is reality that Democrats just can’t or won’t except.
lincolnman
37 indictments and they keep coming...
The desperate get more desperate as they realize that almost every member of the Trump campaign or administration is turning on His Majesty and cooperating with Mueller - and the information they are providing is leading to investigations in three separate areas. Flynn talked to Mueller's team 19 times - and afterward, Mueller said he's given us good stuff, we'll let him pass on jail time...
Most of the Republicans in Congress can't stand Trump - they wanted Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio. That's why they initially funded the Steel dossier.
They won't stand for collusion, money laundering, obstruction, conspiracy, etc. etc. They don't think like you - it's not all black or white (or red...)...
bass4funk
This is very true. Can’t argue with that, but with over 73 accomplishments and Wood to greet conservative appointed supreme court judges and overhaul of the tax code in the ending of the regulations, the president has a comfortable 92% Republican favorability now,
SuperLib
The FBI has said that if they find any credible accusations against Democrats, they will investigate. They said the same thing about Clinton. And the recent election results. And ..
The issue is that there are no credible accusations. It's all just self-serving, unsupported stories by Trump and his fans.
bass4funk
What a bunch of hogwash. There’s more than enough. I’m just astounded that these people everyone is just born dumb. No wonder no one trusts these nimrods.
...decided to look the other way.
Not the fans, the tangible evidence that Mueller chooses to ignore, but it doesn’t matter, after 2024 the Democrats will have plenty of time to get over their grief and find one might hope a decent politician if it exists.
PTownsend
By 'no one', do you mean no one in Trump's camp?
I trust them - but I'm not in Trump's (aka Individual 1) camp.
And given how many lies Trump's told and how many lies his employees, advisors and those in his family have told only the most zealous of Trump's followers would trust a single word he says.
Nimrods? They're among the most highly educated and trained employees found anywhere, public or private sector. Would you post your CV to compare?
Please provide evidence they had a solid case to pursue. If you understand the US judicial system, you'd know prosecution is costly. If there's no solid case, it would waste time, resources and money.
I thought people who call themselves 'conservatives' didn't like to see government waste money. Think how much the multiple Benghazi investigations cost. What was their result?
Such as?
bass4funk
Page, McCabe, Strzok, Orr, Comey....where are they? Brennan and Clapper?
Good, I don’t.
Ok and could rattle off 2 dozen Democrats that make up worse lies, so what’s our point, sir?
Wait a minute, so because you are trained agent, it prevents you from being a corrupt cop. Ted Bundy had one of the highest IQ ever and among other things, he lied a lot.
I did numerous of times already, but as usual, you liberals rejected it. Fair enough. I reject the corrupt cops witch hunt as well.
We are dealing with the government and who is the government? Democrats especially in the DOJ leftovers from the former administration. Anyway, it’s just a waste. Give it up, take a break and relax. Trump isn’t going anywhere, but The bigger picture is what are you guys going to do for 2020 on until 202for? How are you guys manage to handle?
nishikat
That's right! Hillary being guilty of anything is a bunch of hogwash.
Like what?
Markets are down. I became richer under Obama.
nishikat
WRONG!
Political party Republican
(Wikipedia)
Like what?
Chip Star
Page, McCabe, Strzok, Orr, Comey....where are they? Brennan and Clapper?
Not under investigation, that's where they are.
Then do it.
No, you haven't. Not on single time. You have repeatedly made this assertion without any evidence.
Allow me to translate: I have no substantive reply so I'm simply going to trot out an asinine conspiracy theory.
You think seeking justice is a waste only when conservatives are being investigated.
Given your constant shrieking, it seems you need to give it up and take a break.
We've explained this to you numerous times.
nishikat
WRONG!
Political party Republican
(Wikipedia)
Clarification: About Mueller (who Trump approved)
bass4funk
Exactly! And not screwing things up and trying to sabotage the President as much as they tried to.
No, I did for the last 18 months and every single time it was dismissed, so you whip a dead horse.
Allow me to translate: Liberals have been caught again and getting hooked offstage.
I think it’s a waste if the Democrats think they’ll get Trump out of office.
It just won’t happen.
dmacleod
Not true according to the IG Report, which debunked every false charge that you and others have made against them. Continuing to peddle these falsehoods isn't going to change that.
Your 18-month "explanations" were proven to be false by the IG Report and other sources, which is why all of your bogus accusations were dismissed. As far as whipping a dead horse goes, you do it every time that you repeat these debunked claims of "sabotage" or "corrupt behavior" on their part.
Allow me to translate: Hyper-partisan Trump supporters have been caught once again making false claims that they cannot support with actual facts, so they revert to the usual tactics of: deny, deflect, distort, and demonize. I'm sure that the rebuttals to this post will illustrate this quite nicely.
If Trump gets thrown out of office, it will be because all of the criminal acts committed by Trump and his cronies will have come to light, and those violations will then be subjected to the consequences of the rule of law--and if you think that Republicans in the Senate are going to look away after Mueller's final report comes out, then I suggest you refresh your memory and read up on what happened to Nixon after many of his supporters decided that they could no longer give him a pass in the face of hard evidence.
bass4funk
“If” but he won’t! I’m 110% sure of that.
Strangerland
No, that wasn't a claim he made. He made the point that you don't know. This isn't a zero sum game; you not knowing does not mean, nor imply, nor even can logically be inferred that he does know. What you, he, and I all know is that the investigation has been very close lipped, and therefore you (as well as he and I) don't know what Flynn told Mueller. The difference however is that he (and I) never claimed to know what Flynn told Mueller, whereas you did.
Exactly. Lincoln never claimed to know. He just pointed out the fact that you don't know. Which incidentally is also what I'm pointing out now.
Chip Star
And the last tactic of Trump
supporters when they have been caught repeating lies: ignore being called out.
Chip Star
This is airtight, though the way it is written ensures the target audience will be lost. However, Stranger dumbed it down enough for the target audience in the end:
wtfjapan
General Flynn is a Three Star General.
earns far more respect than Cadet bonespurs
Mueller is a fraud.
according to which creditable investigator and what eveidence do you have
Any answers?
wtfjapan
“If” but he won’t! I’m 110% sure of that.
maybe so but it wont stop the Dems controlling the house, no more forced through BS legislation for Trump, if there is hard evidence and Trump still isnt forced from office then the resistance will just intensify, 2020, 75 seats congress seats up for reelection the majority of them Republican, history has shown that most parties lose seats than gain them in this situation. If the Dems control the house and senate Trump will be fully neutered
wtfjapan
then thankfully thr President has his Presidential pardoning powers which he can use to make wrongs right.
go ahead pardon convicted criminals, come next election itll probably backfire, just like the women's vote turned on Trump and lost him the house, pardoning convicted criminals will just turn more people against a POTUS who has no respect for the rule of law and the American constitution
Serrano
Revelation... Flynn has been badly mistreated. Give him Comey's house and Mueller's pension.