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U.S. state of Maine blocks Trump from its Republican presidential primary

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By Anita Chang BEATTIE

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Has this ever happened before in election history?

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So, this time not even a democrat appointed court, but a democratic politician ruling voters shouldn't be able to vote for Biden's main opponent.

Yeah, after Trump didn't even must a legal challenge to the ruling.

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called her a "virulent leftist and a hyper-partisan Biden-supporting Democrat."

Trump is such a tiresome little brat.

"It opens up Pandora's Box. Can you have a Republican Secretary of State disqualify Biden from the ballot?" [DeSantis] said.

If the 14th Amendment applies, sure. But Biden has never engaged in insurrectionist behavior. Trump has.

I'm sure DeSantis knows this. He's just too much of a chicken to speak the truth.

Come on, Ron. You're not going to win by coddling Cult 45's Golden Calf!

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Has from her own admission removed a candidate from a ballot paper without due process.

Nothing in the 14th amendment says anything about "being convicted."

Due process refers to criminal law. Totally irrelevant to this.

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--The Constitution exists in order to prevent abuse of power, i.e., a narcissistic con man attempting to thwart the peaceful transfer of power. The 14th Amendment bolsters that safety mechanism.

Again, the Dems are going to lose on this

Who'd you say has no respect for the Constitution?

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Another unconstitutional move by a far left anti-Trump dem aka. Fascist!

You obviously have not read the 14th Amendment much less the Constitution.

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Guess he hadn’t thought that being a narcissistic sociopath and an insurrectionist would have consequences.

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Well, a bit of semantics there….

What semantics? Trump engaged in an insurrection. Biden didn't. Pretty easy to get unless one has a room temp level IQ.

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--Trump is such a tiresome little brat.

That’s why we love him, the guy never gives up.

I said tiresome, not tireless.

 a bit of semantics there….

So what do you think this means?

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

--14th Amendment, Section 3

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Calling him an insurrection ist doesn’t make him one just because it makes the left feel warm and fuzzy,

No, but engaging in an insurrection certainly does!

Trump is brought up on charges and is convicted then we can irrefutable call him by that term, until then wishful thinking…

Not according to the constitution.

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Liberals don’t care about that, they just want Trump gone, the heck with democracy or the 1st amendment.

What nonsense.

Calling him an insurrection ist doesn’t make him one

Says the man who didn't bother following any of the January 6 hearings. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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The rulings in both states invoked the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment, which bars from office anyone formerly sworn to protect the country who later engages in insurrection.

I tend to agree with Gavin Newsome on this that Trump needs to be convicted, the SC with many Trump judgs need to prove if they are impartial, and the red hat adjacents need to be monitored for election interference; which Trump has called for.

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The mostly conservative SC are already trying to avoid determining if a president is completely immune from all prosecution because the conservatives on the SC fear the wrath of conservative donors, and the liberals on the SC fear for the lives from the wackos on the right.

More evidence came out that Trump's team flew fake electors to Washington to try and stop Pence on Jan. 6.

Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail.

So, Trump campaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates from Michigan and Wisconsin to the nation’s capital, relying on a haphazard chain of couriers, as well as help from two Republicans in Congress, to try to get the documents to then-Vice President Mike Pence while he presided over the Electoral College certification.

The operatives even considered chartering a jet to ensure the files reached Washington, DC, in time for the January 6, 2021, proceeding, according to emails and recordings obtained by CNN.

Exclusive: Recordings, emails show how Trump team flew fake elector ballots to DC in final push to overturn 2020 election

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-recordings-emails-show-trump-210025642.html

The concern that the Republican party has is this: Trump does not need to be removed from all of the state's ballots. He just needs to be removed from enough states that moderate Republicans will not risk nominating him for president. That means Haley or DeSantis will be nominated as the Republican candidate. Haley has a better chance than DeSantis of beating Biden; however, Trump's own narcissism and fear of jail time will not allow him to let the Republican party to move on without him. Out of spite and Trump's encouragement, the MAGA crowd will not support the Republican candidate. Trump will try to go independent in hopes of avoiding jail time; thus, he will split the Republican vote, or the MAGA crowd will just not vote at all and commit acts of civil unrest and violence instead.

If Haley was to be nominated. With all of Trump's chaos in the background, she would need all moderate Republicans, enough women from both political parties, and enough disgruntled Democrats not vote at all to win. That is a lot of variables. DeSantis as the nominee will lose because Democrats will rally to prevent him from the presidency especially minorities and women.

The Democratic candidate will still win the presidency.

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But he has the right to have his name on the ballot in both states.

Not as an insurrectionist, he certainly isn't!

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In fact, you're a "bad person" for even defending Trump in the first place so be prepared to go back to school

I'd say defending an insurrectionist makes one a bad person. At least unpatriotic.

To remove any candidate for high office in such circumstances undermines the very concept of democratic process.

Where does the 14th amendment say that? It doesn't.

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Question, who WOULDN'T want to be a dictator?

I think plently of people don't want to be a dictator. We've never had a president before openly say they want to be a dictator.

like Sim City and Tropico, where that's the entire appeal and point of it.

What a genius argument. "There's nothing wrong with Trump saying he wants to be a dictator, because there are games where you can be a dictator."

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Good news! Keep protecting our democracy from this self-admitted dictator and insurrectionist!

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That’s 2

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Excellent news!!! More to come!!!

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To exclude, ban by clandestine methodology is a betrayal of the very democratic principals the US constitution represents.

The Constitution exists in order to prevent abuse of power, i.e., a narcissistic con man attempting to thwart the peaceful transfer of power. The 14th Amendment bolsters that safety mechanism.

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the rules and laws that establish and underpin a political system.

A political system which apparently you don't understand.

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What for? To hear one-sided liberal Trump bashing,

Ever heard of the proverbial ostrich?

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NotThe One

Today 02:54 pm JST

The mostly conservative SC are already trying to avoid determining if a president is completely immune from all prosecution because the conservatives on the SC fear the wrath of conservative donors, and the liberals on the SC fear for the lives from the wackos on the right.

I'm not sure if the conservatives on the bench need donors as it's a job for life, but Clarence Thomas definitely has an expensive lifestyle to maintain.

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You sure about that:

That wasn't the only thing I said,

We've never had a president before openly say they want to be a dictator.

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it's so enjoyable watching both the pro-Russian and pro-Trump posters here get their knickers in a bunch over these court decisions...

it's really a moot point - Trump is going to jail - no doubt about it...

His henchman and coup author John Eastman's admitted that the plan he proposed, and Trump implemented, was a violation of the Electoral Count Act. And five of his closest aides and lawyers have flipped and will testify against him.

And that is just the insurrection case, when you look at the classified stash and steal, there is evidence and witnesses that will testify Trump violated a subpoena even after being told by his lawyer that was illegal, then directed his lawyer to lie in writing to the FBI certifying no classified remained at Mar-A-Lago, then had his aides re-hide the remaining classified and destroy the tapes showing that being done. That's multiple instances of obstruction of justice.

The only ballot Trump will be on is for the Leavenworth Librarian...

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Don't forget that all "non-relevant" records and testimony was either withheld or destroyed:

lol Is the same GOP loser who aided in preparation for J6? Yup.

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First15

   To remove any candidate for high office in such circumstances undermines the very concept of democratic process.

> I hate to break it to you, but you don't understand democracy. You see, democracy is only a right granted to a nation's citizens and no one else. What make's someone a citizen of a nation is that they are enlightened to the power structures established and outright reject any other opinion. If you do not hold this viewpoint, then you're not a citizen and have zero right to participate in "our democracy".

> Make sense, doesn't it?

No. Not on the JT discussion board.

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--I said tiresome, not tireless.

Same..

Not same. You're just sloppy with words.

as long as he’s not a convicted felon, he is pretty much unstoppable.

And according to Cult 45ers, he's also immune from all prosecution. I can't imagine the founding fathers envisioned an executive with that much immunity.

--Who'd you say has no respect for the Constitution?

Which have nothing to do with a committed crime and felony.

Read the 14th Amendment again. And read the January 6 Commission's conclusions, based on evidence and mostly Republican testimony.

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First15

Today 03:25 pm JST

If you haven't noticed the line of argumentation, it doesn't matter. They're going to do what they want because, according to their little cult, they know better and you don't.

Anyone who is involved in legal proceedings against Donald Trump does know better. I expect that any prosecuting attorney or judge who rules against him knows a lot more than you. Unless you happen to be a legal professional yourself?

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I don't know Wallace, why does Donald Trump present such a political horror show, so much to withhold his candidacy?

I'd say trying to start an insurrection and openly stating he wants to be a dictator is pretty bad.

Care to explain why you think he's being denied due process when the constitution doesn't even say anything about a conviction?

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Trump's name remains on the ballot papers.

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Lol, good luck with that

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This action has far reaching ramifications consequences.

The US constitution is a beacon of democracy, a written pledge establishing the authority/independence of the judiciary, the rules and laws that establish and underpin a political system.

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Bellows a politician cannot remotely be presented as impartial.

Has from her own admission removed a candidate from a ballot paper without due process.

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I don't know Wallace, why does Donald Trump present such a political horror show, so much to withhold his candidacy?

Trump is not a politician, this election should allow the electorate to decide an exchange of views, the policies, the failures, harsh altercation then vote.

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Has this ever happened before in election history?

Yes, in other countries: https://archive.ph/KexGs

it's so enjoyable watching both the pro-Russian and pro-Trump posters here get their knickers in a bunch over these court decisions...

Is Governor Newsom "Pro-Russia" or "Pro-Trump": https://archive.ph/Ewq22

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"I do not reach this conclusion lightly," wrote Bellows, a Democrat. "I am mindful that no Secretary of State has ever deprived a presidential candidate of ballot access based on Section Three of the 14th Amendment. I am also mindful, however, that no presidential candidate has ever before engaged in insurrection."

Trump has never been charged or faced a jury of his peers for quote a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Bellows should resign in shame.

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No. Not on the JT discussion board.

And what about applauding the prevention of a political candidate from being able to run for office, because of a crime that he has neither been tried nor convicted for, over an event that all evidence is increasingly showing that he had no connection with, that happened in response to the "most secure election in history", that was so secure that any questioning of the results brands you as a Nazi-saluting basement-dwelling conspiracy theorizing incel who hates babies and his own grandmother?

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Never Wallace.,

Nothing positive will come of this.

Only the people at the ballot box will decide the 2024 US Presidential election.

Donald Trump, if the republicans choose, must run.

Debate the policies, have the strength the confidence to challenge.

To exclude, ban by clandestine methodology is a betrayal of the very democratic principals the US constitution represents.

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Trump lost both Colorado and Maine in 2016, he doesn't need them to win.

But he has the right to have his name on the ballot in both states.

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Trump has never been charged or faced a jury of his peers for quote a violent uprising against an authority or government.

If you haven't noticed the line of argumentation, it doesn't matter. They're going to do what they want because, according to their little cult, they know better and you don't. In fact, you're a "bad person" for even defending Trump in the first place so be prepared to go back to school, dear comrade. You need to be educated and do the work.

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

plasticmonkey, there must be due process.....

Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially a citizen's entitlement to notice of a charge and a hearing before an impartial judge.

This most basic of constitutional pledges promises has been circumvented.

To remove any candidate for high office in such circumstances undermines the very concept of democratic process.

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

To remove any candidate for high office in such circumstances undermines the very concept of democratic process.

I hate to break it to you, but you don't understand democracy. You see, democracy is only a right granted to a nation's citizens and no one else. What make's someone a citizen of a nation is that they are enlightened to the power structures established and outright reject any other opinion. If you do not hold this viewpoint, then you're not a citizen and have zero right to participate in "our democracy".

Make sense, doesn't it?

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Trump is such a tiresome little brat.

That’s why we love him, the guy never gives up.

If the 14th Amendment applies, sure. But Biden has never engaged in insurrectionist behavior. Trump has.

Well, a bit of semantics there….

I'm sure DeSantis knows this. He's just too much of a chicken to speak the truth. 

I think the left wish he thinks that way, but he knows this is not going to fly.

Come on, Ron. You're not going to win by coddling Cult 45's Golden Calf!

Uh, he’s not going to win-period.

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The Constitution exists in order to prevent abuse of power, i.e., a narcissistic con man attempting to thwart the peaceful transfer of power. The 14th Amendment bolsters that safety mechanism.

Again, the Dems are going to lose on this, get excited now “and get ready to drop as you reach the top, prepare yourself for the fall, they all going to fall, it’s so predictable…”

Somehow that quote sounds a bit familiar…

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Who'd you say has no respect for the Constitution?

Which have nothing to do with a committed crime and felony.

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What nonsense.

Then the Dems should stop.

Says the man who didn't bother following any of the January 6 hearings.

What for? To hear one-sided liberal Trump bashing, no time for it, I did watch the 3 min highlights though.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I say that about the left as well.

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Biggest circUS of the world..

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I'd say defending an insurrectionist makes one a bad person. At least unpatriotic.

Calling him an insurrection ist doesn’t make him one just because it makes the left feel warm and fuzzy, once Trump is brought up on charges and is convicted then we can irrefutable call him by that term, until then wishful thinking…

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I said tiresome, not tireless.

Same..

So what do you think this means?

As I stated

*"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."*

--14th Amendment, Section 3

Ok, but was Trump charged with a crime of insurrection? Yes or No? Which is a felony by the way.

That is the ONLY thing that matters and as long as he’s not a convicted felon, he is pretty much unstoppable.

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Not same.

The same.

You're just sloppy with words.

No, the left are just sloppy and they keep getting caught.

And according to Cult 45ers, he's also immune from all prosecution. I can't imagine the founding fathers envisioned an executive with that much immunity.

Lol, if only the left would check their own hen-house on that one.

Read the 14th Amendment again.

Not me, the left, if they did they would know they’re not going to win on this.

And read the January 6 Commission's conclusions, based on evidence and mostly Republican testimony.

Cherry-picked without any witnesses and please don’t bring up Cheney and the one guy who was always crying…

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Anyone who is involved in legal proceedings against Donald Trump does know better. I expect that any prosecuting attorney or judge who rules against him knows a lot more than you.

Yes, they know so much more than I do that it's taken them coming on nine years to find the evidence needed to prosecute the guy for crimes that he's so damn guilty of committing that even questioning his guilt shows just how much of a looney individual you are.

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and openly stating he wants to be a dictator is pretty bad.

Question, who WOULDN'T want to be a dictator? There's entire video game franchises, like Sim City and Tropico, where that's the entire appeal and point of it.

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So, this time not even a democrat appointed court, but a democratic politician ruling voters shouldn't be able to vote for Biden's main opponent.

Read this will be reviewed by the highest court in the state.

Then it will inevitably be reviewed by the highest court in the Land.

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plasticmonkey, there must be due process.....

Fair treatment through the normal judicial system, especially a citizen's entitlement to notice of a charge and a hearing before an impartial judge.

This most basic of constitutional pledges promises has been circumvented.

Liberals don’t care about that, they just want Trump gone, the heck with democracy or the 1st amendment.

To remove any candidate for high office in such circumstances undermines the very concept of democratic process.

California just certified Trump to keep him on the ballot.

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Background - Maine splits their electoral votes via district - and Trump won a district there last time and got 1 electoral college vote.

Imperative that SCOTUS gets involved with this soon.

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