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Vaccine passports are latest flash point in COVID politics

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Even Canada's far left Prime Minister has spoken out against COVID vaccine passports.

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Ahh... the good ole days of having one group of people in the front of the bus and others in the back.

Seriously?

People saying stuff like this have no idea about facts or history.

International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis

Look it up!

This has been around for decades and was once a must for international travel until smallpox was fully eliminated and vaccination for most other seriously transmittable diseases became widely used.

It is still required if traveling to or returning from certain countries where some diseases are still endemic.

The USA or any other country can go on and on and do as their fear and lack of logic makes then do but if they ever plan on traveling outside their country, it will not be dictating to other countries what the rules are to enter.

So don't want the vaccine, fine but when Japan, EU, UK or any other places says you cannot enter without being vaccinated, well you will just have to remain in your country or if you are in Japan never leave because returning will not be possible.

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Even Canada's far left Prime Minister has spoken out against COVID vaccine passports.

JT isn't a left PM he is an art teacher way over his head, zero understanding of science (thus why he took arts in school).

He probably doesn't even know that , International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis

exists and is still in use including by Canada, it is required when traveling to or returning from certain countries and by immigration Canada by immigrants and visitors from those countries.

Adding covid Vaccine to it would not be any thing new or unusual.

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Airports, rail stations, and large cities around the world (including those in Japan) routinely use biometric scanning and facial-recognition software for security and convenience. Free movement among others around the world can no longer be performed without the loss of privacy. Sorry but true.

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For traveling with airplanes, I think it is a good idea.

But to enter shops or restaurants is a little bit overdo.

How will the people who refuses the vaccine will live?

I mean the article says, vaccined or a recent negative test.

That means people who refuse the vaccine must get tested regular even they show no symptoms.

And we all know that 1 second after you got negative tested, you can get infected by someone and than you are positive.

And what I read and heard, even you are vaccined you can get infected and spread the virus.

So in both cases everyone is still a risk to spread the virus.

And this situation will continue for many many years, because the Virus will, like it seems, stay with us forever.

A vaccine and such a passport will bring probably the fear of the people down, but the risk to get infected is still there. But hopefully lower.

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These "immunization passports" are hardly new. They have been around in various forms for decades.

It is interesting that those people whining against them have been the very same people downplaying the disaster for over a year now, railing against the use of masks, distancing, stay at home orders, even vaccinations. Meanwhile, millions die and many more are physically damaged for life. These people have zero credibility, just ignore them, they are all dummies.

Even Canada's far left Prime Minister has spoken out against COVID vaccine passports.

Who cares. Is he a scientist? No.

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I get my second shot next Friday so I'm fine either way.

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People saying stuff like this have no idea about facts or history.

International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis

People saying stuff like this have no idea about the content of the article.

The article details concerns about DOMESTIC vaccine passports for use WITHIN THE US (not international travel), in order to go to shops, restaurants, malls, theaters, events, etc.

So forget about int'l travel, this is about doing basic stuff around your home and needing to "be approved" before doing it. And aside from the Big Brother aspect, or even the anti-vaxers, there are millions of people who do not own a smartphone, particularly children and elderly (as well as me, and I'm neither).

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Conservatives making a mountain out of a mole hill

It just might be a good idea in the long run. We all get vaccinated and the information of verification is logged for reference and that same information can now be used for verification when submitted to show proof as a new form of ID for voting.

Now you killed two birds with one stone. It’s a win, win for everyone.

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And what I read and heard, even you are vaccined you can get infected and spread the virus.

No. This was something that was uncertain. We now know that it isn't the case.

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verification when submitted to show proof as a new form of ID for voting.

False and a poor attempt at it on top.

Non citizens will be vaccinated alongside citizens not to mention ex-cons that in many places unless given a pardon cannot vote.

So unless Vaccine certificates include a whole load of personal information that has nothing to do with getting vaccinated that is something not possible so please stop trying to justify the right voter suppression now underway in the USA.

And as @zichi pointed out you said you would not be getting vaccinated, which may end up being a problem if you leave or enter Japan as Japan is 100% going to require proof of Vaccine especially for non Japanese.

And I am willing to bet that even the USA will require vaccination for non citizens entering the country.

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Fairly unworkable for individual shops and restaurants etc but as Monty stated ...Very easy to implement for airlines and immigration. Also a good idea as it will "encourage" some of the anti vaccers to see sense and get the jab, if only so they can travel.

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That would not apply to you since you have stated several times you oppose the covid-19 vaccinations and won't be taking them.

Yes, that’s right. But I wasn’t talking about myself. I was talking about Americans that the government is trying to force them to take, that’s ok, but it’s not ok to verify who you are when your voting, but you want me to show ID when I purchase a gun? Liberals make a lot of sense...lol

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And what I read and heard, even you are vaccined you can get infected and spread the virus.

Not as black and white as it seems.

Those vaccinated like every disease can get infected, but this part please read carefully.

Vaccinated people that get viruses will quickly multiply the antibodies and fight off any serious infection, this also means if the virus multiplies the virus load will be very very low,

So in theory yes it is possible for vaccinated individuals to get the virus and even spread it but that is a very very small possibility and would require all factors to line up just right in a unfortunate way.

To put it simply a non vaccinated person with the virus has a exponentially far higher probability of spreading the virus than a vaccinated person and I do mean exponentially higher.

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Liberals make far more sense than you, on their worst day.

Doubt it, but If that were true, they wouldn’t get caught contradicting themselves too often. I need an ID to see Pelosi, I need ID to get near Biden, I need ID to buy a House, I need ID to buy a car, now the Dems want me to get an ID to make sure I put something in my body I don’t want or have reservations a lot, but they don’t want ID to elect politicians? Uh-huh, not only is that just dumb and illogical, it’s blatantly dishonest. No sane person is buying that.

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but they don’t want ID to elect politicians?

It's called voter ID card and worked well to get Trump out of the WH. And it worked well further to give complete control to the Dems. But I think what really did that was Trump's gross behavior and his crazy claims that Mr. Clean cures covid-19.

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It seems like every conversation devolves into a "liberal/con" or "dem/repub" thing.

I think @Divinda above raises a valid point that comparing this to international travel is not a valid comparison.

@antiquesaving or Zichi: This is an honest question (and something I need to know about). Is it a fact that Japan will require evidence of vaccination prior to entering the country or is this speculation at this point?

If you have a link I want to read it, not for the point of discussoin here, but due to the fact that I want to fully undersand what the requirements are or may be for re-entering Japan (if I ever leave).

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Is it a fact that Japan will require evidence of vaccination prior to entering the country or is this speculation at this point?

It is called simple logic.

If right now (taken from MOFA website)

"Currently, all those who enter, re-enter or return to Japan (including Japanese nationals) are requested to submit a certificate of negative test result of pre-entry COVID-19 test (format (Word) ) conducted within 72 hours (from the sampling time to departure time of the flight) when entering Japan."

It is only a matter of time that this will become a need for Vaccine.

You can look up the following:

Japan to join EU and China in issuing digital vaccine passport

It seems quite clear that when traveling to Japan Vaccine certificates will be needed once enough people are vaccinated or Vaccines are full available to all.

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Its all a McGuffin to encourage people to have the vaccine.

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So in the future, I might not be able to enter a conbini for 30s to buy a beer if I do not have my vaccine passport

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You need an ID to fly domestically in the US. You need proof of vaccination to attend public school.

The variants are becoming more contagious and more lethal.

There is nothing that imposes on one’s liberties to prove one is vaccinated in order to reduce the risk to others.

Anyone who doesn’t want a vaccine can stay home.

Regardless of what Red State lawmakers want, vaccine passports are going to become the standard for international travel and quite possibly event attendance.

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During my 28 year military career I was always required to carry my shot record - as did every other GI.

It was proof of required vaccinations when deploying to other countries.

There is no difference of this record compared to this so-called passport.

This is just the far-right media and their politicians ginning up another canard to manipulate the blinded flock...to keep them angry and voting for them or buying their books...

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If today's conservatives had been in power during the postwar period polio and smallpox would still be rampaging, the interstate highway system would be a series of two-lane gravel toll roads with a 25 mph speed limit, and we would have an official state church in charge of public health rather than a CDC.

Back "in the day", these were called vaccination records and every kid had one when they went to school...

You know, public health, public safety.... 

WTH's wrong with republicans and these so-called "libertarians"?

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No vaccine for me. No COVID passport for me. They can test the vaccine on others, but not me.

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This virus has a 99.95+% survival rate for people under 70, just like the flu, so these 'vaccine passports' are just coercion to get one to line the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies

One, this is not the consensus of science and depends on wild overstimation of the number of infections. Two death is not the only negative consequence of the infection and Three, having a relatively low number of deaths heavily depends on having health services working at a 100%, if the number of cases overrun the available space a very large number of patients that are counted now only as hospitalizations become deaths.

Also, the profit conspiracy makes no sense, the profit from hundreds or thousands of vaccines is not even comparable with the profit obtained from a long visit to the ICU, that is where the money is for pharmaceutical companies.

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They can test the vaccine on others, but not me.

It has already been tested, that's why it's avaiable now.

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Ahh... the good ole days of having one group of people in the front of the bus and others in the back.

Equating vaccine passports to the civil rights movement is so appalingly ridiculous it's actually almost kinda funny.

We need another Rosie Parks

It's "Rosa", but I guess that shows how much you actually care about people, history and honesty.

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It has already been tested, that's why it's avaiable now

And some people had bad adverse side effects as well. Again, I’m all for vaccination and for the people that need it and in the high risk category, but I’m not in it and I won’t just because the government thinks I should. My choice and if others want to get it, their choice.

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My choice and if others want to get it, their choice.

"Your choice" is not how science works, unfortunately. Pretty much everyone needs to be vaccinated in order to eradicate a disease. That how humanity eradicated polio, tetanus, rubella, hib, measles...

Or rather, for measles, has eradicated before some goofs started thinking about their very dishonest "choices".

So it's pretty simple, you're either for vaccines, or you're for diseases.

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You are in the over 50's age risk group.

But healthy, very healthy.

What if required by airlines? Leaving and entering Japan?

Then I would have no choice then, but now I do.

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@wobot.

A better link would have been: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/03/time-discussion-covid-certification/

Scroll down to the comments and see what kind of reaction he got. Although as it is behind a semi-paid wall you will need to have a log-in. Remember Whitty provides info. and Gove sets pollicy. Also remember that children are given the flu jab not because they need it but because they are spreaders.

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No vaccine for me. No COVID passport for me. They can test the vaccine on others, but not me.

Tested, and given to tens of millions.

But then I guess you have no plans of ever leaving or returning to Japan or most other countries because already most are requiring a negative covid test to enter.

Now Japan, the EU and China have agreed on a vaccine passport.

So once the vaccine is fully available, no one will be entering any of these places without being vaccinated.

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But healthy, very healthy.

So your policy is: as long as I don't die, I don't care what happens.

You are of course aware that you could catch the disease and spread it without suffering yourself. That you could be the origin of a mutation that makes the virus deadlier or more resistant to the actual vaccine. But you just don't care, right?

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But then I guess you have no plans of ever leaving or returning to Japan or most other countries because already most are requiring a negative covid test to enter.

You may see in the future people coming up with fake tests just to bypass the system, like with credit card fraud this is yet another system that can be exploited.

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And some people had bad adverse side effects as well. Again, I’m all for vaccination and for the people that need it and in the high risk category, but I’m not in it and I won’t just because the government thinks I should. My choice and if others want to get it, their choice.

Dang right. And those phony "Walk, Don't Walk" lights - nothing but government overkill. If I want to walk while the light is green for traffic streaming by, it's my choice - so what if an 18 wheeler is bearing down on me...my choice...

And those pesky tornado sirens - too loud and too controlling. It's my business if I want to take a stroll in 250 mph winds...

And don't get me started on those constricting, freedom-killing life vests...

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Conservatives making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Like those complaining about taking an ID to a polling place? Then cancelling a major sporting event in that State because of it.

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You may see in the future people coming up with fake tests just to bypass the system,

Seeing the plans are for the vaccine certification to be part of the official App. It is going to take quite a bit of work and cost quite a bit.

If people are ready to pay that much and risk being arrested ( note these will be officially government documents so forging them will be a serious crime).

Then I guess there are some seriously strange people.

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Like those complaining about taking an ID to a polling place? Then cancelling a major sporting event in that State because of it.

Try reading the voting (suppression) laws before going on about it just being ID.

The list of things out in place are far more than just requiring ID.

Closing voting places in minority areas, limiting voting hours, limiting voting days especially early voting.

Basically removing everything that lets poor people vote.

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