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A cheap shot by a coward. The guy had laid down, the officer has a gun. There was no need to kick the guy. Charge him for the appropriate crimes, assault under the color of authority or whatever is the correct charge, and let a jury make a decision. This sort of thing happens daily but every encounter isn't memorialized on video.

Police training in the US is woefully short and inadequate. Police officers and sheriffs deputies feel afraid because they are under trained to deal with the situations they face. When you have faced the same situation repeatedly in training you react according to your training instead of out of fear. Just as with the military, your training overcomes your fear. You know what to do and do it. You do not see as much of this from the better trained police forces in Europe or Asia, and don't try and convince me its because their criminals are somehow less violent.

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Will we get the usual “if you don’t want police to do X, don’t commit crimes” comments?

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Police training in the US is woefully short and inadequate. Police officers and sheriffs deputies feel afraid because they are under trained to deal with the situations they face.

Agreed, though I would add that their fear also stems from never knowing when they’ll be facing a criminal with a firearm given the US is awash in readily accessible firearms for people of every age.

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You do not see as much of this from the better trained police forces in Europe or Asia...

Indeed. The cops in Spain, Greece, Albania, Thailand, the Philippines, China, etc. would never EVER think of hitting a suspect.

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Hot pursuit by Deputy Sheriff Justice, no doubt. /s

I can understand where a cop chasing a suspect fleeing might have raised anxiety from a few near-death experiences during the chase. Training to come down quickly post-chase and be professional has got to be difficult. A minor stop became a big deal because the suspect ran. Never run. Never run. In the US, that's a way to be shot by a cop which is worse than 2 yrs in jail, right?

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Will we get the usual “if you don’t want police to do X, don’t commit crimes” comments?

Depends on the gender and ethnicity of the criminal. Babbit was a hero, Willie Jones got what was coming to him. Or something along those lines.

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That was pretty bad, that cop should be fired and brought up on assault charges, just can’t have that, uncalled for and if you have that kind of a loose temper, you have no business being a cop.

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It’s odd reading “conservatives” posting about governmental overreach and then saying you should always do what a cop tell you to do. That’s not contradictory at all.

Given there were no cops when the Constitution was written, the framers would be appalled at the police state conservatives advocate.

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It’s odd reading “conservatives” posting about governmental overreach and then saying you should always do what a cop tell you to do. That’s not contradictory at all.

No, you’re conflating the two. You should always listen to what the cop says, if you don’t, you’re going to lose in the end, you’re always going to lose in the end, so it’s always best to listen to the cop and follow his or her instructions, you can always resolve the situation later at the station or in court, you can’t do that when you’re lying in a morgue or in a hospital or in the back of a police car, at the same time it doesn’t give the officer the right to abuse their authority and your civil rights.

Given there were no cops when the Constitution was written, the framers would be appalled at the police state conservatives advocate

What, huh? What’s does that even mean?

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Even after huge demonstrations after the George Floyd murder, it is quite clear that police departments across the United States continue to employ unhinged individuals who are in many cases worse than the criminals they apprehend. People continue to be shot, beaten, and killed by police week after week. And to think some of the most ardent supporters of the police force in America see fit to judge and criticize law enforcement in other countries.

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Absolute scum of the earth, violent psycopath. I hope this animal is now locked up in a prison where the inmates are made well aware that he is an ex-cop. I look forward to it.

I just hope the poor, innocent assaulted man is OK.

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yes, dont do "felony evading" and you wouldnt have had this problem.

Will we get the usual “if you don’t want police to do X, don’t commit crimes” comments?

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yes, dont do "felony evading" and you wouldnt have had this problem.

I’d imagine the same would apply to trespassing.

If you think a police officer repeatedly kicking someone, who has surrendered and is unarmed on the ground, in the head is acceptable, then whatever argument you have to defend your opinion is immediately invalid.

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People continue to be shot, beaten, and killed by police week after week.

I guess your dream of the new guy abolishing or defunding the police ain't happening.

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I guess your dream of the new guy abolishing or defunding the police ain't happening.

Must have been fake news from the usual fearmongers then.

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I don’t and it’s not. This the policeman is being held accountable here.

If you think a police officer repeatedly kicking someone, who has surrendered and is unarmed on the ground, in the head is acceptable,

but how does this whole thing NOT happen? You don’t do “felony evasion”

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No, you’re conflating the two. You should always listen to what the cop says, if you don’t, you’re going to lose in the end, you’re always going to lose in the end, so it’s always best to listen to the cop and follow his or her instructions, you can always resolve the situation later at the station or in court, you can’t do that when you’re lying in a morgue or in a hospital or in the back of a police car, at the same time it doesn’t give the officer the right to abuse their authority and your civil rights.

There is no affirmative obligation to listen to the police if the police are giving an unlawful order.

Police are the most visible face of the coercive power of the state. You are advocating a police state when you assert that we should always listen to the police.

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*The suspect was riding a motorcycle early Wednesday when he failed to pull over for a traffic stop and led the deputy on a high-speed chase on Interstate 15 and surface streets near Victorville, the newspaper said. He eventually ditched the motorcycle and hid at a car dealership.*

The arresting officer put his life at risk pursuing the suspect, and after the evasive behavior from the suspect, it is understandable to a degree that the police office would be aggressive and physical, rather than awarding the suspect for good behavior.

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but how does this whole thing NOT happen? You don’t do “felony evasion”

The police have better training and higher standards for employing people so the police refrain from kicking in the head people who are surrendering. That’s how “this whole thing” of police brutalizing people who are surrendering or restrained doesn’t happen.

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*Video obtained by the website TMZ shows a man emerging from underneath a car, putting his hands up and then getting on his knees. The man begins to lay flat on the ground when the deputy takes two quick steps and kicks the man in the head. The man rolls over slightly and the deputy kicks the man in the head a second time.*

Absolutely unjustifiable. It’s foul that anyone is trying to defend what this cop did.

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It’s foul that you are supporting someone to run from the police.

they would have never had to “surrender” later if they just pulled over as asked.

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It’s foul that you are supporting someone to run from the police.

I’m not, and this isn’t a logical inference from any of my posts.

they would have never had to “surrender” later if they just pulled over as asked.

Agreed; however, there is zero justification for the cop to have kicked a surrendered by person in the head multiple times. Why do you try to justify that?

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The suspect was riding a motorcycle early Wednesday when he **failed to pull over for a traffic stop and led the deputy on a high-speed chase on Interstate 15 and surface streets near Victorville, the newspaper said. He eventually ditched the motorcycle and hid at a car dealership.**

California Vehicle Code 2800.2 VC defines the crime of felony reckless evading.

2800.2.  

(a) If a person flees or attempts to elude a pursuing peace officer in violation of Section 2800.1 and the pursued vehicle is driven in a willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property, the person driving the vehicle, upon conviction, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison, or by confinement in the county jail for not less than six months nor more than one year. The court may also impose a fine of not less than one thousand dollars ($1,000) nor more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or may impose both that imprisonment or confinement and fine.

(b) For purposes of this section, a willful or wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property includes, but is not limited to, driving while fleeing or attempting to elude a pursuing peace officer during which time either three or more violations that are assigned a traffic violation point count under Section 12810 occur, or damage to property occurs.

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I haven’t done that. I simply indicated how the suspect could have prevented the whole thing.

Why do you try to justify that?

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I’m concerned by the recent prevalent mindset in the Black community that interactions with police (always after failing to comply) are a good way to get that George Floyd type settlement money.

bet this guy has Benjamin Crump as a lawyer by tomorrow.

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California Vehicle Code 2800.2 VC defines the crime of felony reckless evading.

Which doesn’t justify kicking aside ending individual in the head multiple times.

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I’m concerned by the recent prevalent mindset in the Black community that interactions with police (always after failing to comply) are a good way to get that George Floyd type settlement money.

What is your evidence that this is a “prevalent mindset in the black community”? You make it sound as if black people are planning on subjecting themselves to police brutality for money.

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bet this guy has Benjamin Crump as a lawyer by tomorrow.

You make it sound as though hiring a lawyer to defend your rights is a bad thing. Odd.

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P. SmithToday  12:44 pm JST

bet this guy has Benjamin Crump as a lawyer by tomorrow.

You make it sound as though hiring a lawyer to defend your rights is a bad thing. Odd.

Police have rights too.

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Police have rights too.

People have rights, police have privileges and responsibilities. None of the privileges include kicking a surrendering suspect in the head multiple times, and that is definitively not a responsibility of the police.

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P. SmithToday  12:50 pm JST

People have rights, police have privileges and responsibilities. None of the privileges include kicking a surrendering suspect in the head multiple times, and that is definitively not a responsibility of the police.

Police aren't people?

“Due to this being an active investigation, no further details are being released about the incident,” sheriff’s spokeswoman Jodi Miller said Saturday.

So before saying what is justified and what is not, we have to wait for the investigation results.

Did the suspect have a gun before the chase ensued? Did he have a weapon when he was under the car? Did he verbally threaten the police with a weapon while he was "surrendering"?

The police have protected rights too.

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All that effort by the police will now be nullified by the excessive force lawsuit the victim will win.

The police are NOT judge, jury and executionor, though many think they are. Those that act like they are all of those things, create by definition, a police state.

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Police aren't people?

Police are a group of people in a given occupation. That occupation doesn’t have rights, which is what you implied when you posted, lPolice have rights too.”

So before saying what is justified and what is not, we have to wait for the investigation results.

The video is pretty clear that the cop i unjustifiably kicked the suspect in the head as the suspect was surrendering.

The police have protected rights too.

No, the “police” don’t have rights; the people who are employed as police have rights.

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I guess your dream of the new guy abolishing or defunding the police ain't happening.

Can you give me a link to the Biden campaign promising to abolish police? Thanks.

It’s foul that you are supporting someone to run from the police.

Do you think running towards LEOs in an aggressive manner is good and cool?

California Vehicle Code 2800.2 VC defines the crime of felony reckless evading.

Do you genuinely believe that every police officer knows every state law and every federal law, down to California Vehicle Code 2800.2 VC? If so, then I must say that, as a socialist who believes in human rights, as someone who believes that, despite our planet burning, despite inequality, despite misinformation, a better world IS possible — your view of the ability of the average human is woefully optimistic.

I haven’t done that. I simply indicated how the suspect could have prevented the whole thing.

"What if criminals didn't do crime?" is a child's view of the world.

For the record, I think children are good and cool. But I don't think adults should take their political views from them. Alas, the 21st Century.

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Police aren't people?

People shouldn't be prosecuted for crimes, because of their job?

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This seems to be one of those times where two things can be true at the same time. First, as a motorcyclist, don't endanger the lives of the public by trying to evade the police. Second, as a trained law officer, don't let your emotions get the better of you and do something stupid.

IMHO, the police need to be re-funded, not defunded. They need more training and leadership. Also, more money to equip ALL cops with body cameras- which cannot be turned off during the course of their duties. Finally, civilian oversight boards, or at least civilian representation in the disciplinary process.

I've heard that hairdressers in the US in many jurisdictions have longer training than do police officers. In Canada, the vast majority have college/university degrees. Not sure about the US, but I would guess the number is low. Stop recruiting military veterans to be cops- superficially it seems like a good idea but often leads to tragedy.

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