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Like I said on another post -- a big crow for some of you fellas to eat tonight. I know the denial is so deep you'll claim there are no visible injuries because he received medical attention previous to being transported to the station, but is there a miracle cure for a broken nose you guys know about, or the swelling that would already be showing from the 'massive beating' he supposedly underwent before 'defending himself'?

Let me know how the crow tastes, boys.

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smith,

The link has the video and the still that was taken at the 1:06 - 1:07 mark on the video. The an enhancement The Officer on the video is looking hard at the back of his head prior to the 1:07 mark. I've viewed it several times and it looks like a "v" shape gash on the video. Or it could be something else that caught made the Officer stare hard at the area but Zimmerman sure has a something on the back of his head that shouldn't be there.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/police-surveillance-video-of-zimmerman-may-show-head-injury/#disqus_thread

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Apologies,, Typo....... Then an enhancement .....not...."The an enhancement".

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What could really shed a large light on this are the medical reports or testimonies of the medics - what was he treated for, how bad were the wounds, possible causes of injuries, etc.

If Zimmerman was treated, it was definitely before the police station because it seems the videos show no significant injuries or at best superficial, the policemen weren't wearing gloves (protection from blood) when examining him, didn't treat him as injured person, he acted for the most part just fine, etc.

Also of note, at least one police investigator didn't buy his story but wanted to charge him, but the DA office overruled. So that police investigator's account about why not buying his story would be intriguing too.

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Just to clarify, it's normal procedure for police to use gloves when treating bloody injuries, obviously to prevent infection from blood-born diseases. And police has to treat injuries ASAP to prevent liabilities if arrested person worsens or dies under their custody.

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Well, I never believed the "broken nose" bit. People say "You broke my nose" when they get punched in the nose. Blame Hollywood.

But blurry survellience video is not about to convince me there was no gash on his head. I will wait until the officers take the stand, because eyewitness testimoney beats the hell out of blurry survellience video when it comes to describing injuries.

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smithinjapan

"Like I said on [sic] another post -- a big crow for some of you fellas to eat tonight. "

Crow? I haven't eaten any crow. How were the entire platters of crow you ate after the Duke lacrosse fiasco? All the far left race-baiters I know are still picking their teeth on that one, so much so that when it comes up they are unable to even speak...

The Daily Caller [http://dailycaller.com/] has still shots of the video I assume you are referring to and there appears to be a clear vertical laceration on the back of Zimmerman's head. I'll need more evidence before you can hope for once to have proven me wrong.

"I know the denial is so deep you'll claim there are no visible injuries because he received medical attention previous to being transported to the station, but is there a miracle cure for a broken nose you guys know about, or the swelling that would already be showing from the 'massive beating' he supposedly underwent before 'defending himself'? "

My guess is the EMTs in Florida are better than those in countries with socialized medicine.

"Let me know how the crow tastes, boys"

Tweet Spike Lee maybe he will thrill you with a personal reply. I wouldn't use the word 'boy' though...

Seen Martin's twitter account? He called himself " NO_LIMIT_NGA "

Does that mean the kid deserved to be shot ? Not at all, It is tragic, as I believe I have said elsewhere.

But the notion that this kid was an angel and that a "white Hispanic" in the Deep South (who turns out to be a registered Democrat) deserves mob justice of the most barbaric sort - at the hands of a buch of hooded cowards no less - is that the route "progressives" like you really want to go?

Do you support the NBP putting a bounty of ten thousand on the shooter's head?

" No limit [n-word, "ebonic" spelling ] " is apparently from a song the young hoodlum, thief and delinquent Trayvon idolized.

Don't take my word though. Try doing the search: "C-murder" .

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Liebersman,

If I were an angry racist old white dude too, I'd be happy the un-armed black kid got plugged by the overtly paranoid security guard. Especially as he was apparently throwing Supercop a beatin' for his efforts.

If this kid had been white Zimmerman would have been detained immediatey.

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Let's say Zimmerman is being truthful - that Martin did throw a punch at him and knock him to the ground. Zimmerman outweighed the boy by a hundred pounds and had ten years on him - yet he claims he had to resort to his gun?

Contemptible wimp of a loser.

Oh, big man with your gun and SUV - Zimmerman, you're a college dropout and neighborhood watchman because the police wouldn't have you. And the right-wingers supporting you are equally contemptible: switch the races of the two and they would be equally vociferous in damning the attacker - there is no question about that.

Congratulations, Republican gun nuts: you've created the America you deserve. Gutless. Punks.

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Congratulations, Republican gun nuts: you've created the America you deserve. Gutless. Punks.

Zimmerman is a registered Dem. Why do you and Madverts hate Hispanics so much? Racism is racism.

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switch the races of the two and they would be equally vociferous in damning the attacker - there is no question about that.

If Zimmerman had used his mother's maiden name I doubt this tragedy would have even made national news.

49 people were shot last weekend in Chicago. (Or maybe it was the weekend before.) Ten of them fatally. But of course shining the national spotlight there (or Detroit - unthinkable) and having our narcissistic , pontificating president call for "soul-searching" in response to any of those murders and their unfortunate victims ( one was a six year old girl) ain't gonna happen. We all know it.

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I really don't care what his political affiliation is, Lieb, or what his race is - you're quite aware of the respective positions the two parties have on gun control, and while conservative support for Zimmerman would certainly be non-existent if he were black and the victim white (or whatever), my outrage would be the same: bullets don't take note of race when they rip through a body.

The only shre of sympathy I have for Zimmerman is that he was dumb enough to be duped by the gun lobby.

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The police report and now video are out , where is the forensic report? Should be quite easy to verify if shooter fired from a prone position or not.

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really don't care what his political affiliation is, Lieb, or what his race is - you're quite aware of the respective positions the two parties have on gun control

Throughout the Jim Crow era the Dems who ruled the South were of course strong proponents of gun control. Couldnt have certain segments of society defending themselves when the terror wing of the Democrat Party put on the hoods and went for their rides at night. And now the hood is coming back in fashion among Democrats. Ex Black panther Bobby Rush disgraced himself on the floor of the House yesterday by wearing one.

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Let's say Zimmerman is being truthful - that Martin did throw a punch at him and knock him to the ground. Zimmerman outweighed the boy by a hundred pounds and had ten years on him - yet he claims he had to resort to his gun?

According to the original Police report by Officer Tim Smith he stated that had resorted to yelling for help as his first option not using his gun . A person yelling for help at the scene was heard by all the witnesses. There is some dispute if it was Zimmerman or Martin

"I could observe that [Zimmerman's] back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."

"While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I overheard him state "I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me."

The SFD would be the Paramedics that were attending to his injuries. MSNBC is reporting that the video was taken 4 hours after the incident just for the record.

It was taken about four hours after the deadly incident.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/29/10915887-police-video-shows-george-zimmerman-shortly-after-trayvon-martin-shooting

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Gee, Lieb, maybe Illinois should adopt Florida's "stand your ground" law - if anything, their crime rate would plummet (if not the violence). Typically Republican, like their approach towards health care: pretend that the problem doesn't exist and it disappears.

Now Repubs in the House are working on legislation which would allow people with a concealed carry permit in one state to carry a concealed weapon in every other state that gives people the right to carry concealed weapons. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/16/nation/la-na-congress-guns-20111117

So much for state's rights - but, hey, if alcoholics or felons are allowed to carry in Arizona, why shouldn't they be packing in Times Square?

And, Lieb,

verify if shooter fired from a prone position or not.

Either way, the man is a gutless punk.

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According to the original Police report by Officer Tim Smith he stated that had resorted to yelling for help as his first option not using his gun

Officer Smith heard that from Zimmerman. Zimmerman heard the cries for help too, but they were coming from Trayvon Martin. (I believe the mother of Trayvon to be a decent and sincere person -- and one who can recognize the cries of her child when she hears them.)

To this point, the only eyewitness who was outside at the time of the shooting was a young man walking his dog. He reports seeing one person, and only one person, lying on the ground crying for help. The cries were from a very young male -- but there was definitely not a life-and-death struggle between two people going on. The dog got away from the young man and he had to turn his back to the scene to retrieve the dog. It was during the very short time it took to do that the gunshot was heard and the cries were silenced.

There are definitely inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story. But he has every incentive and motivation to lie.

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You guys could probably debate this for the next 10 years and never know what really happened. It was a bad idea for that Zimmerman guy to be "patrolling" the streets with a loaded gun. Obviously before whatever happened happened, Martin felt like he was being followed which would probably freak any of us out. Incidents like this can't happen unless the idiot pieces are in place so that one is on Zimmerman.

On the other hand, the community needs to make better decisions about how they will protest this. Tweeting the wrong address and harassing an elderly white couple because you think it's Zimmerman is pretty stupid. So are "wanted" posters.

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Lieberman: Ah, yes, "The Daily Caller". Not at all an extremely bias, Conservative blog. :) And as for constantly bringing in references to the Duke Lacrosse incident (where, having just checked, it's clear they were let off, yes), I didn't even recall the incident, let alone remember commenting on it. Plenty of others might have, yes, but it's still you eating crow on this case. Obviously it upsets you, and hence the staccato attempts at deflecting.

"I'll need more evidence before you can hope for once to have proven me wrong."

You've been proven wrong, or at least misguided in your comments, plenty of times.

"My guess is the EMTs in Florida are better than those in countries with socialized medicine."

My guess is, despite you again trying to deflect and undermine other nations' systems based on your political stance, they are not -- for clearly they can't provide anything but conflicting statements, and how do you treat a man who seems clearly not to have needed it (except mentally. Do they have shrinks on the ambulances there?). In any case, if he was well enough to get into the police car for a ride to station clearly his 'beating' was exaggerated (if it occurred at all).

"Tweet Spike Lee maybe he will thrill you with a personal reply. I wouldn't use the word 'boy' though..."

I don't tweet. Did when it first started, but don't. Anyway, is that all you've got for defense is what other people have said in Twitter?

"But the notion that this kid was an angel and that a "white Hispanic" in the Deep South (who turns out to be a registered Democrat) deserves mob justice of the most barbaric sort - at the hands of a buch of hooded cowards no less - is that the route "progressives" like you really want to go?"

Once again -- who is bringing political affiliation into this besides you? We know you want to add Democratic Party bashing into a threat that's not about politics, but that's you.

"Do you support the NBP putting a bounty of ten thousand on the shooter's head?"

Not one that includes the words "Alive or Dead" on it, not one bit. Even with just "Alive. Unharmed" or whatever it was reported to have said at first I don't support. More crow?

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yabits: "There are definitely inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story. But he has every incentive and motivation to lie."

Exactly.

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Lieberman: "Should be quite easy to verify if shooter fired from a prone position or not."

For once I agree with you. And undoubtedly if he was assaulted they would have taken pictures of the injuries as well for his own defense, if needed. Where are they?

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Lieberman: I meant to add to my reply, "I don't tweet. Did when it first started, but don't", that if it helps you I'll let you know that I do not at all support what Lee said/did, and am quite angry about that as well -- he was an excellent director and a person to be respect, but not any more (the respect part... not sure about the directing).

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You guys could probably debate this for the next 10 years and never know what really happened.

The "community" knows one critical fact that really happened: The lead investigator on the case -- the first professional to attempt to put the pieces of evidence together -- filed the request that Zimmerman be arrested and charged immediately with manslaughter.

Another fact that actually happened was that the State Attorney met personally with the chief of the Sanford Police Department in an emergency session on the night of the killing of Trayvon Martin. (This was a Sunday evening.) This is before all of the facts of the case were in as the lead investigator had yet to conduct interviews with the witnesses.

The public was told through Zimmerman's attorney that he sustained a broken nose and had his head repeatedly pounded against concrete pavement so hard that he feared for his life. Yet the police video shows no sign of any serious injuries.

The mayor of Sanford has gone on record as saying he has "no faith" whatsoever in the Chief of Police over his handling of this. The city manager has described what happened to Trayvon as "murder." ( I would suppose that they have all of the reports for viewing.)

The event happened over a month ago. The police department had adequate time to do its job, and the lead investigator requested charges to be brought. It is the seeming collusion at higher levels to prevent giving Trayvon Martin and his family due process that has caused the community to galvanize itself over this. While what happened in that courtyard may be subject to dispute, what happened to prevent the lead investigator from doing his job is going to be made very clear.

On the other hand, the community needs to make better decisions about how they will protest this

The community needs to make better decisions about who runs their police departments and state's attorney's offices.

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According to the preliminary police report, that is available to the public, Zimmerman was treated by the SFD (fire department paramedics) at the scene before he was taken to the police department.

The police station video shows a wound on the back of Zimmerman's head.

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According to the preliminary police report, that is available to the public, Zimmerman was treated by the SFD (fire department paramedics) at the scene before he was taken to the police department.

The police station video shows a wound on the back of Zimmerman's head.

Wow. That's a big wound. He should have shot the kid. I know it doesn't require a bandage, nor did the broken nose. No traces of blood. (I guess the EMT's cleaned it up because they are so thorough), but still...I'm glad he shot him.

Looks like you were about to die Zimmerman. Kudos to you.

I say arrestpaul because he's liable. The name is even suspect. Pathetic. Only a p*ssy would defend a guy who got hit (to the point of not needing a bandage) and then shot someone. No wonder you like fools who are itchin' to use their guns. Crazy. SMH

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2 things kind of stood out to me as I watched the video of Zimmerman being brought in by the police. FIrst of all, where's the blood? If Zimmerman's nose was broken, his shirt should have been covered in blood. Which leads me to the most damning thing that I saw (or actually didn't see). No cop, EVER, in the United States, in the 2012, deals with a suspect who has been cut without wearing rubber gloves. That is standard operating procedure in every police department in America. Protect yourself from diseases. If there's blood present, wear rubber gloves. The police in the video were not wearing rubber gloves. Had Zimmerman had a broken nose, there would have been enough blood to definitely warrant the use of rubber gloves. Unless they LIKE a.i.d.s. in Florida. I don't know.

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No cop, EVER, in the United States, in the 2012, deals with a suspect who has been cut without wearing rubber gloves. That is standard operating procedure in every police department in America.

Wow, very astute observation. No, it doesn't appear that they were very worried about getting any blood on them. The nose, especially, is a very tricky area -- blood can run out of it at any time. Sometimes, in order to treat a broken nose, gauze will be inserted in one or both nostrils. None of that on Zimmerman.

The thing that I noticed, which surprised me, is that Zimmerman looks a lot more "buff" and fit than in the standard mug-shot that's become standard viewing. He really looks like a guy who can take care of himself. I have a very hard time picturing him on the ground wailing those screams that are heard on the 911 tape -- which sound like the screams of a teenage kid.

Also, aren't kids taught to scream for help like hell and/or try to get away when they are confronted by a threatening adult?

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A couple of other things I've noticed that don't pass the sniff test. Apparently Trayvon was beating Zimmerman's head into the ground repeatedly. What did he hold onto? Zimmerman doesn't have any hair. Pounding his head into the ground, while possible, seems rather difficlult without a good handful of hair to hold on to.

Also, just found this out today. Zimmerman's father is a retired judge. Anyone think THAT might have played into the decision to not investigate the crime scene or collect Zimmerman's gun and clothing?

It sure seems possible.

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He does not look like someone broke his nose. I know what a broken nose looks like looks innocent. He would have at least one if not both eyes black. Perhaps he got a bloody nose but there is no bruising or anything. Any attack that justifies deadly force should be noticeable. Second if he had injuries the police would take pictures. However what people need to remember it is the police that have to prove him guilty. Zimmerman does not have to prove innocence.

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What's the difference between a "white hispanic" and a non-white hispanic? Isn't the person still hispanic?

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What's the difference between a "white hispanic" and a non-white hispanic? Isn't the person still hispanic?

Wolfpack,

Hispanic is a cultural, not a racial category, and a pretty broad one at that.

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MrDarryl - Looks like you were about to die Zimmerman. Kudos to you. I say arrestpaul because he's liable. The name is even suspect. Pathetic. Only a *pssy** would defend a guy who got hit (to the point of not needing a bandage) and then shot someone. No wonder you like fools who are itchin' to use their guns. Crazy. SMH

Should I assume this is a personal attack? Perhaps you could rephrase whatever it is that you're trying to say?

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YuriOtani - He does not look like someone broke his nose.

Do you have another video of Zimmerman's nose when it wasn't broken that you are comparing the police station video to?

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It's reported that it was raining that night. Would Zimmerman have fully closed his coat when he was outside in the rain? Would there be blood stains on a shirt that was underneath a jacket? Doesn't rain wash off grass and blood from a jacket?

At least one witness confirms that Martin was on top of Zimmerman when Zimmerman had to shoot him. Many of the other eyewitness are too afraid of the lynch mobs to make public statements.

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Give it a rest arrestpaul. And yes you got my play on words (your name). You can always find one eyewitness. There is another eye witness that says they heard Martin screaming for help because they were right outside her window. None of this changes the fact that this case is based on heresy. The parents are left to just believe the shooters story. Would any just let the situation stand as is if there are no FACTS to back up his claim? The parents want the facts and have asked that Zimmerman be detained and fully questioned plus they want the forensic evidence so they know what happened. You don't KNOW what happened, but yet you act like you do. They have only been a few FACTS that have come out. Wait for the facts or just continue to rush to judgement.

I'm curious if you would defend every shooter who claims self defense after killing an unarmed person. There are so many cases where this never turns out good for the shooter once the truth comes out. This is truly why people are asking for more details and accountability. You can keep living in your fantasy. And, yes, this is directed at YOU and anyone else jumping to any conclusion as to what happened (outside of what we know) that night. You would all be horrible potential jurors and would never get picked.

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MrDarryl - Give it a rest arrestpaul. And yes you got my play on words (your name). You can always find one eyewitness. There is another eye witness that says they heard Martin screaming for help because they were right outside her window. None of this changes the fact that this case is based on heresy.

I'm well rested, thank you for asking. Personal attacks don't bother me but I do feel the need to point them out. I feel the same about the lies from the lynch mobs. Several earwitnesses have said that they heard someone crying for help. Several eyewitnesses say that they saw Zimmerman lying on his back and at least one says they saw Zimmerman lying on his back and crying for help.

Cutcher admits that she saw neither the confrontation or the shooting but is sure that Zimmerman is guilty because she "thinks" he is. Her testimony only convinces the lynch mobs that their preconcevied notions are correct.

The lynch mobs have been calling for Zimmerman's murder, conviction, and arrest, in that order. As more information comes to light and as more people pay closer attention to how the lynch mob types are distorting the facts, fewer and fewer people believe what the lynch mobs have been spewing.

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I agree, give it a rest Paul.

The only murdering here was done by Zimmerman.

Some people have been stupid it's true, but the outrage over this paranoid cowards slaying is understandable. He called 911 nearly once a week over a 13 month period as you astutely pointed out.

Hopefull common sense will prevail and he'll be in a warm cell awaiting trial soon.

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Madverts - I agree, give it a rest Paul.

The only murdering here was done by Zimmerman.

Some people have been stupid it's true, but the outrage over this paranoid cowards slaying is understandable. He called 911 nearly once a week over a 13 month period as you astutely pointed out.

Hopefull common sense will prevail and he'll be in a warm cell awaiting trial soon.

Hahahaha. You've already found Zimmerman guilty based on the lynch mobs rhetoric and deliberate spin. What's the point of apply common sense after the rage has already been engineered by CNN (for ratings and increased advertising revenue) and the Sharpton-types (to seem relevent again) plus the New Black Panther party (to prove how threatening they can be).

The neighborhood has a crime problem and Zimmerman is not the only one calling the police. 402 calls to the police is a lot of calls. Zimmerman still only made 11% of those calls.

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Apparently Trayvon must have been slapping Zimmerman silly because his knuckles showed no signs of bruising.

I think someone's pants are on fire.

http://news.yahoo.com/florida-teens-body-showed-no-sign-fight-funeral-203903998.html;ylt=ArCcEVfkbyVjnZcO8K75HJzzWed;_ylu=X3oDMTRvNmRzZG1uBGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDTmV3cyBmb3IgeW91BHBrZwMzMjY0YzA5My04N2Y0LTNiMDYtYjU2Ni00YTQyMzZiOTJjNjYEcG9zAzIEc2VjA25ld3NfZm9yX3lvdQR2ZXIDZDJmYTUwZTAtN2FhOC0xMWUxLWI3MGYtNDg5MzAxOTQyOGNj;_ylg=X3oDMTNhYzljNzh0BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDMGJiODkzMWEtOTI4Ny0zNzVlLWJjYjEtMDQ0OGM4YTc3NjQzBHBzdGNhdANidXNpbmVzc3xlYXJuaW5ncwRwdANzdG9yeXBhZ2UEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=3

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More media cover-up, Truth. They probably arranged to have the bodies switched or something.

Dammit as an angry paranoid white dude I demand the right to be able to shoot dead any unarmed black kid I deem up to no good. It just makes sense.

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I agree paul, calling the emergency services once a week is perfectly normal behaviour.

In fact I think I need more firearms at home, just in case. How else can I protect myself from the evils of a liberal society?

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Madverts - I agree paul, calling the emergency services once a week is perfectly normal behaviour.

Who is paul? That particular neighborhood was averaging 1 call per day to the police department. Are you suggesting that was too many? What limit do you put on the number of calls they should be allowed to make to the police department? Did the police ask the neighbors to stop calling the police? Did the police ask Zimmerman to stop calling the police?

Zimmerman was injured during his confrontation with Martin.

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"Zimmerman was injured during his confrontation with Martin."

I was injured...so I shot him. (Sounds like a great defense.)

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MrDarrylApr. 02, 2012 - 05:27PM JST "Zimmerman was injured during his confrontation with Martin." > I was injured...so I shot him. (Sounds like a great defense.)

Indeed, it's called "pleading self-defence".

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MrDarryl - I was injured...so I shot him. (Sounds like a great defense.)

That's exactly what self defense means.

I think you meant, " I was being injured.... so I shot him to save my life".

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arrestpaul you seem to be incredibly fond of the term 'lynch mob'. But said mob aside, why do you reckon your hero Zimmerman thought it wise to load up his piece and take it with him to confront the quite obviously guilty black youth having the stones to walk through HIS neighborhood? And in a hoodie no less. Bloody criminals, they're all the same - flashing their gang signs and listening to that horrible music. But you see, when the police dispatcher tells you to hang back and leave it to the actual law enforcement officers rather than playing the Clint Eastwood movie role, at what point do you the the burden of guilt lifts from Zimmerman and gravitates to Martin for being slightly incensed that some nerdy white guy would question his reasoning for being there? And how exactly was he acting 'suspicious'? Well, we know 'those people' are all suspicious when out of their own neighborhood. Was he looking in windows? Was he yelling obscenities? Was he speaking in tongues or frothing at the mouth?

My best is Zimmerman was trying to play hero - he got called out on it. When push came to shove he folded like a deck of cards and in his timid fear felt he had to kill the kid to 'survive'. Being and idiot, and then a wus does not make you innocent. It makes you stupid. And in this case his stupidity make him guilty.

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TigermothII - But said mob aside, why do you reckon your hero Zimmerman thought it wise to load up his piece and take it with him to confront the quite obviously guilty black youth having the stones to walk through HIS neighborhood?

I don't think you understand Florida concealed carry laws. About 1 million Floridians have been issued permits to carry firearms within the State of Florida. Zimmerman qualified for such a permit. Zimmerman did not "load up his piece and take it with him to confront" Martin. Zimmerman can legally carry a firearm at any time and almost anywhere. Zimmerman didn't leave his house that night to shoot anyone. Zimmerman wasn't looking to gun down Martin. Zimmerman was, however, prepared to defend his life anytime he believed his life was in danger.

Martin had a 3 minute headstart on Zimmerman when Martin ran from their first confrontation and Zimmerman lost sight of Martin. Martin only lived some 100 yards or so from that point. Zimmerman could never have caught up with Martin unless Martin waited to attack Zimmerman or came back to attack Zimmerman.

Zimmerman was injured in the confrontation. Enhanced video shows those injuries.

Martin was shot in the chest by Zimmerman who had been knocked to the ground by Martin. At least 1 eyewitness says Zimmerman was crying out for help from his neighbors. No neighbors arrived in time to help him. Zimmerman was forced to shoot Martin to save himself from Martin's attack.

The lynch mob type thinks Zimmerman was playing at being a hero. Zimmerman thought he and his neighbors were protecting their neighborhood. Calls to the police were being made every day. The police did not ask the neighborhood to stop calling them. Police did not ask Zimmerman to stop calling them. The 9-1-1 operator did not tell Zimmerman to stop following Martin. The 9-1-1 operator isn't even a police officer. He couldn't order Zimmerman to do anything. The 9-1-1 operator told Zimmerman, "You don't need to do that."

Neither Zimmerman or Martin had done anything illegal up until the fight actually started. Who started it? Zimmerman says it was Martin. There are no eywitnesses to contradict that statement. Zimmerman says Martin was on top of him and Martin was attacking him. There are eyewitnesses who back up that story.

Do you have any evidence that Zimmerman started the fight? Do you have any proof that Zimmerman was not in fear for his life? it's important that you understand that what you THINK is not important OR legally admissable in court - only what you can prove.

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About 1 million Floridians have been issued permits to carry firearms within the State of Florida. Zimmerman qualified for such a permit.

True.

Zimmerman can legally carry a firearm at any time and almost anywhere.

Also true.

Zimmerman didn't leave his house that night to shoot anyone. Zimmerman wasn't looking to gun down Martin. Zimmerman was, however, prepared to defend his life anytime he believed his life was in danger.

Zimmerman was rejected as a police candidate. He followed Martin. He went on neighborhood patrols. It seems likely that Zimmerman had a vigilante mindset.

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It seems likely that Zimmerman had a vigilante mindset.

Its the third most crime-ridden city in the nation. I reckon a lot of law-abiding folk, sick of the crime and the recidivism rate of revolving-door ex cons have the same mindset.

Since the shooting took place there have been several others, with multiple casualties. But the MSM is not too interested in playing up shootings wherein perp and victim are the same race.

Last week in Sanford an elderly man was taken from his car and beaten by two thugs , 18 and 19. One held him down, the other took a hammer to his skull.

The local paper has the story, and photos of the perps.

Two arrested in brutal hammer beating in Seminole 5:43 p.m. EST, April 2, 2012| By Gary Taylor, Orlando Sentinel

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-two-arrested-seminole-beating-20120402_1_victim-arrest-affidavits-crimeline

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Nessie - Zimmerman was rejected as a police candidate. He followed Martin. He went on neighborhood patrols. It seems likely that Zimmerman had a vigilante mindset.

The neighborhood didn't form a neighborhood watch group because they were bored or needed excersize. They felt that they needed to protect themselves from criminals.

The neighborhood was contacting the police on a daily basis. That does indicate that there was almost daily criminal activity.

Zimmerman was following Martin because he was a member of his neighborhood watch group. That's not illegal. What you describe as a "vigilante mindset", Zimmerman saw as an effort to help his community, regardless of their race.

Martin had the opportunity to just go home. That's where he was headed, right? What was the point of going back or waiting to confront Zimmerman?

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I don't think you understand Florida concealed carry laws.

I in fact do to a large degree; I'm from Virginia originally and we have a similar law, at least in the sense that it is not really difficult to get a carry permit. But in VA it doesn't seem that the laws and mindset are that you shoot first and ask questions if you perceive threat. That seems incredibly reckless and dangerous, particularly considering that I doubt the law requires significant courses of instruction in gun safety and dealing with potentially violent situations.

Zimmerman did not "load up his piece and take it with him to confront" Martin. Zimmerman can legally carry a firearm at any time and almost anywhere.

Didn't he? I seriously doubt that Martin packs heat just to go to the supermarket or hang with his friends - and if he does I would put him in the category of the 'doomsday prepper' lunatics. I've lived in the 'mean streets' of Washington, DC (at the time I lived there it was known as the murder capital of the world) and NYC - I never felt need to carry a weapon. I don't think it unreasonable to assume that Zimmerman was carrying a handgun because he was 'on duty' as neighborhood watch-person and it made him feel safer to carry it. It likely gave him a bit more confidence when he confronted Martin (and I will explain why I think he initiated confrontation in a bit).

Martin had a 3 minute headstart on Zimmerman when Martin ran from their first confrontation and Zimmerman lost sight of Martin. Martin only lived some 100 yards or so from that point. Zimmerman could never have caught up with Martin unless Martin waited to attack Zimmerman or came back to attack Zimmerman.

That of course would depend upon geography and the 'layout of the land' as it were. There might be walls, hills, curves, etc. Plus, there is no law that says Martin had to run to his house just because some lunatic with a gun wanted him out of 'his' neighborhood.

Martin was shot in the chest by Zimmerman who had been knocked to the ground by Martin. At least 1 eyewitness says Zimmerman was crying out for help from his neighbors. No neighbors arrived in time to help him. Zimmerman was forced to shoot Martin to save himself from Martin's attack.

Have you never been in a schoolyard fight or any sort of altercation? Man, get out some - because a good many adult males have been at some point in their lives (and no, they aren't by any means all the 'scary black gansta's' that you seem to think Martin was). By your reckoning, and according to some wack-a-doo Florida law, you should simply be able to shoot the person then. What constitutes a true threat to life? Who determines this - the angry person who was knocked down who shoots out of anger or revenge in the heat of the moment? If Zimmerman was having his head repeatedly smashed into concrete as he (or some) contend, and if he had a broken nose (again, I've had one and it was swollen to about four times normal size for about a day, and bled profusely) he should have gone to hospital, or at the very least not looked so well on the video. A small cut to the back of the head is not indicative of open season to shoot someone.

Keep in mind here that if someone is meek in nature, their perception of a 'threat to their life' is going to be vastly different than what someone else might perceive as a small scuffle. You're going to seriously put this decision and right to kill in the hands of a general public who thinks something like 'dancing with the stars' is actual entertainment? That's nuts.

Zimmerman thought he and his neighbors were protecting their neighborhood. Calls to the police were being made every day.

Again, and I've said this numerous times - neighborhood watch programs can be great, and calling the police is the right thing to do if some issue is perceived. No neighborhood watch program in the world is going to tell you to arm yourself and then leave the premises to 'follow' or in anyway confront the suspicious person. Only a fool would do that - and look where it got him. Additionally, no one has really explained exactly what Martin was doing that Zimmerman considered as 'suspicious' other than walking through the neighborhood. If that's his only crime I'm 'suspicious' just about every day. I believe Zimmerman states something like 'he looks like he's on drugs or something'. Three quarters of the people in our great nation act like they are on drugs or something - that's no crime nor even particularly suspicious - certainly not worthy of phoning the police, and assuredly not worth shooting someone over.

Neither Zimmerman or Martin had done anything illegal up until the fight actually started.

Correct. So why did Zimmerman feel need to phone the police and then follow Martin while armed with a handgun then? And if the witnesses you cite are correct and Zimmerman was on his back with Martin over him - who is to say that Martin didn't just push him down? Does pushing someone to the ground constitute an action worthy of shooting and killing the person? Again, if you think so it's a good thing you were never bullied as a lad or you might have killed everyone around you!

Do you have any evidence that Zimmerman started the fight?

Started the fight? No. But pursued/followed with a handgun. And how, pray tell, do you think Martin was really aware that Zimmerman was following him to 'attack' him to begin with if Zimmerman had not initiated first contact? If he had truly done his job as neighborhood watchman, he would have had no need to make contact or follow him at all. Observe and report - not pursue, confront, shoot and kill.

Do you have any proof that Zimmerman was not in fear for his life? it's important that you understand that what you THINK is not important OR legally admissable in court - only what you can prove.

Ah, and the final crux. What I THINK is not important or legally admissible in court. Why not? But at the same time we are expected to believe in what Zimmerman THOUGHT was a threat to his life, even if it was nothing of the sort. Zimmerman's thoughts - or perhaps his lack of thoughtfulness - lead to a boy's death.

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Lieberman you spit out these other murders like they should explain away the rationality of this one. They have nothing to do what-so-ever with this one, and it's a rather poor tactic to simply cite other examples of murders to show there is violence in Florida. You don't say. Is your contention that since black people are committing crimes in Florida, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin because he's black, and was therefore either committing a crime, or the aggressor by default?

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Martin had a 3 minute headstart on Zimmerman when Martin ran from their first confrontation and Zimmerman lost sight of Martin.

There haven't been any authoritative timelines of the events that have been published. About the best way to determine whatever lead Trayvon had is to compare the time of the end of the cellphone call from Trayvon's phone with the time of the last 911 call. And the times of Trayvon's calls have not been made public. (The scuffle actually started about a minute before the girlfriend reports the line went dead. But she reports hearing the sound of a scuffle.)

There are no eyewitnesses who witnessed the start of the fight, therefore no one can claim how long the scuffle was going on.

So declaring that Martin had a 3 minute head start is an obvious falsehood for several reasons. When the FBI reveals the more accurate timeline of events, we'll chalk up the "3 minutes" alongside Barney Frank's townhouse as yet another in series of false, self-serving statements designed to cover up pure hatred.

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TigermothII - I in fact do to a large degree; I'm from Virginia originally and we have a similar law, at least in the sense that it is not really difficult to get a carry permit. But in VA it doesn't seem that the laws and mindset are that you shoot first and ask questions if you perceive threat.

I don't think you understand Florida concealed carry laws. Per State law, Zimmerman, and a million other Floridians (or Virginians), can carry firearms when they go to the supermarket or hang with their friends. The voters want to be able to defend themselves if they are ever attacked anywhere. "Anywhere" includes Zimmerman's neighborhood. Zimmerman did nothing illegal by carrying his firearm. You object to Zimmerman carrying a firearm but you don't vote in Florida and carrying a firearm doesn't make Zimmerman guilty.

Martin could have just gone home. Zimmerman was helping his neighborhood watch group and his neighbors by keeping an eye out for suspicious persons. Martin appeared suspicious and Zimmerman contacted 9-1-1. Zimmerman attempted to keep track of Martin's whereabouts in order to report his location to police. Zimmerman had done nothing illegal in Florida.

If the lynch mob wants to convict Zimmerman, then they have to prove that Zimmerman started the fight or that Zimmerman was not in fear for his life. All of the other issues make for an interesting discussion but don't change the reason why Zimmerman wasn't charge or hasn't been charged.

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yabits - There haven't been any authoritative timelines of the events that have been published. About the best way to determine whatever lead Trayvon had is to compare the time of the end of the cellphone call from Trayvon's phone with the time of the last 911 call. And the times of Trayvon's calls have not been made public. (The scuffle actually started about a minute before the girlfriend reports the line went dead. But she reports hearing the sound of a scuffle.)

There are no eyewitnesses who witnessed the start of the fight, therefore no one can claim how long the scuffle was going on.

Zimmermans call to 9-1-1 was recorded and timed. Zimmerman states when he losses sight of Martin. Zimmerman continued talking to police, got out of his vehicle, and followed after Martin.

Police also know from phone comapny records when Martin's phone call to his GF ended.

Only Martin's GF says there even was a confrontation before her call with Martin ended and she hasn't told the police that, only the lynch mob types.

How did Zimmerman catch up to a high school football player so quickly if Martin was "running away" or "running home"? I think it's safe to say that Barney couldn't catch either one. hehehe.

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TigermothII - Keep in mind here that if someone is meek in nature, their perception of a 'threat to their life' is going to be vastly different than what someone else might perceive as a small scuffle. You're going to seriously put this decision and right to kill in the hands of a general public who thinks something like 'dancing with the stars' is actual entertainment? That's nuts.

Tell it to the voters in Florida. You could even run for elected office in Florida but don't tell the voters that you think they're "nuts" until after you've been elected.

In order for the lynch mobs to convict Zimmerman of violating Florida law, they still need to prove that Zimmerman started the fight or that Zimmerman was not in fear for his life. Police do not arrest people based only on your opinion that they should have (past tense) done so and State Attorney's don't file charges because you've convinced yourself that they should.

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No thanks, I'll steer well clear of Florida thanks. For the record, I'm not part of any lynch mob - there are normal law-abiding decent folks who think Zimmerman should at the very least be charged with manslaughter, not just the idiots grabbing headlines. Lynch mob would imply that I'm for vigilante justice, like the type Zimmerman was practicing - only his problem was that Martin was not actually doing anything wrong.

I think you're right, Zimmerman will get away with it because of Florida law. That doesn't mean the law isn't stupid. For all we know - and all the assumptions/accusations/profiling aside, Zimmerman might have pulled the trigger for no other reason than he was p*ssed at Martin for pushing him down. So now this great Florida law will mean that personal rage in the heat of the moment can trump justice. Is that what the people of Florida wanted (I know, I know - you're going to tell me in broken record fashion 'that's what they voted for')?

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Okay arrestpaul from a personal standpoint I just have to know this. Florida law aside, lynch mobs aside, and who attacked who first aside -do you think it was wrong of Zimmerman to arm himself and follow Martin based upon some ungrounded suspicion he had that Martin was doing something wrong?

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TigermothII - from a personal standpoint I just have to know this. Florida law aside, lynch mobs aside, and who attacked who first aside -do you think it was wrong of Zimmerman to arm himself and follow Martin based upon some ungrounded suspicion he had that Martin was doing something wrong?

EXCELLENT question. There is a difference between what the law says is illegal and what Zimmerman should have done. If someone choses to carry a firearm AND the law allows them to do so, I have no problem with them carrying a firearm. Should someone continue to follow someone they think is suspicious? The police were on the way but who knows how long that will take. I have confronted single individuals in my neighborhood who I thought were acting suspiciously. Can I help you? What are you looking for? I understand Zimmerman's attempt to keep criminals out of his neighborhood.

Should Zimmerman have been armed? I've owned german shepherds for years. Unfortunately, you can't take them everywhere. Dogs don't care what the law says, if someone attacks a member of their pack (me) they consider it an attack on the entire pack (them). Zimmerman lives in an area where the neighbors were so concerned about their safety and well being that they formed a neighborhood watch. The neighborhood was calling the police once a day. There were break-ins and robberies. I think if Zimmerman wanted to make the rounds of his neighborhood, a neighborhood that attracted criminals, then he would have been foolish not to carry a firearm IF he was permitted to do so.

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You know, I grew up in an area where gun ownership was a part of life. I don't hunt and never had the desire to kill anything myself, but I am certainly not anti-gun and own a few myself. And I have no desire whatsoever to get into arguments over that issue. But the idea of everyone strapping on a firearm to 'protect themselves' seems to be a step backwards in social evolution to me. 200 years ago indeed we did need to do this. These days I'm not plagued by too many wolves or bears where I live. And just because some of my fellow citizens might act like animals at times, I don't think it a good idea to go about shooting them (as much as I might like to in some instances). Arming private citizens like Zimmerman and then letting them go out and confront someone - who remember was doing NOTHING other than being perceived as 'suspicious' by Zimmerman is only going to end in ways such that it did. Whether legislation allowing this was voted upon or not, it still seems draconian. What next, go back to allowing lynchings?

Your theory is that guns protect us from criminals. But when idiots have guns, who protects us from them?

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TigermothII - Arming private citizens like Zimmerman and then letting them go out and confront someone - who remember was doing NOTHING other than being perceived as 'suspicious' by Zimmerman is only going to end in ways such that it did. Whether legislation allowing this was voted upon or not, it still seems draconian. What next, go back to allowing lynchings?

Your theory is that guns protect us from criminals.

It's not "my" theory. Violent crime rates have dropped in areas of the U.S. as they enacted State concealed carry laws. The criminals don't know who is armed and who is not. The criminals seem to prefer to "shop" elsewhere for victims.

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Is your contention that since black people are committing crimes in Florida, then Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin because he's black, and was therefore either committing a crime, or the aggressor by default?

No. I have nothing to contend. I defend the justice system, which is all you can do at this point. If Zimmerman is found guilty he should be punished.As I have repeatedly said the death of the boy is a tragedy. The media, the Democrats, the usual race hustlers like Sharpton and even our increasingly divisive president are clearly using the killing to further their agendas.That is very clear. I bring up certain examples to provide contrast - why are some crimes highlighted while others are not? It is no less a legitmate angle than the people who come on here to shake their fists at our gun laws. I have many questions about this case. Convenience stores all have cameras . Why no footage of the boy buying his skittles and ice tea, a mile from his home on that rainy night? I would think an interview with the clerk - last person to talk to Martin before he was alledgedly 'hunted' down and shot - would be at the top of the media's list.

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CNN is walking back the bogus and irresponsible claim that Zimmerman uttered a racist epithet before the shooting. It is now plainly clear that after cleaning up the audio Zimmerman says "f****g cold*".

Dont take my word do the search

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Dont take my word

At long last, something from Lieberman2012 that registers positively on the truth-o-meter.

Actually, Zimmerman's lawyers are claiming he said "punks" and not "cold." The actual temperature in Seminole County on the evening of Feb. 26 was approximately 60 degrees F. (High 70 / Low 57). "Punks" actually shows that he was on the chase with hostility and malice aforethought.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/05/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=hp_t1

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The actual temperature in Seminole County on the evening of Feb. 26 was approximately 60 degrees F. (High 70 / Low 57). "Punks" actually shows that he was on the chase with hostility and malice aforethought.

more nensense from yabits. It was raining that night and with a little wind could easily be relatively cold, for a local.

Listen to the recording. He clearly says "cold", preceded by the f-word. He may have said "punks" elsewhere but this hardly signals malice aforethought, unless you are willing to conceded the many personal attacks you make here are to warn of us of your vigilante bent.

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MSNBC has fired the producer who edited the Zimmerman call in such a way as to deliberately provoke maximum outrage and stoke race hatred. But they refuse to name the individual, which means s/he probably had the network's consent. Shameful.Of course, the same people had no compunction about identifying a 13 y.o. eye witness to the tragic shooting whose initial testimony placed doubt on the MSM's carefully crafted Narrative. At least one person , a 78 y.o. Vietnam vet, has been attacked and beaten (by 6 "youths") who expressly said it was in retaliation for what happened to "Trayvon."

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It was raining that night and with a little wind could easily be relatively cold, for a local.

Not likely. After 6 PM, winds were very light (under 6 mph) for the evening. Very pleasant, even for a local. By the end of February, the coldest weather for the Orlando area has already come and gone. Those of us who live in the deep South understand that.

The nonsense that Zimmerman actually said "punks" is coming from this legal defense team. But you don't buy "punks" and I don't either. And it certainly wasn't "cold." With all the excitement and tension of a chase, I seriously doubt if Zimmerman, wearing his jacket and carrying his weapon in hot pursuit, noticed the temperature at all.

He may have said "punks" elsewhere

No, there is no "elsewhere." The point of controversy comes immediately after Zimmerman tells 911 that the suspect is heading for the rear of the housing community. (Where Martin's father was actually living.) By that time, Zimmerman had been running for a bit and was getting pretty steamed up.

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MSNBC has fired the producer who edited the Zimmerman call in such a way as to deliberately provoke maximum outrage and stoke race hatred.

Of course, that is ludicrous nonsense, purposely framed in such a way to provoke maximum outrage. (But yet again, it didn't work.)

The program and show in question is NBC and The Today Show -- certainly not MSNBC.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/nbc-fires-producer-of-misleading-zimmerman-tape/

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At least one person , a 78 y.o. Vietnam vet, has been attacked and beaten (by 6 "youths") who expressly said it was in retaliation for what happened to "Trayvon."

This story has been presented by Lieberman2012 in a manner designed to stoke maximum feelings of race hatred and white backlash. The truth is as follows:

Toledo police: Man's account of assault may be exaggerated

"On Thursday, Toledo police Capt. Wes Bombrys said investigators determined the crime involving Dallas Watts was not racially motivated. On Friday, police Sgt. Phil Toney agreed, adding, "After the investigation, it was revealed that the story told by Mr. Watts was somewhat exaggerated, although he was assaulted and robbed. His story as to how everything happened appears to be a little bit exaggerated."

"The youths told police -- with slight variations -- that Mr. Watts approached the boys and engaged them in conversation about their hooded sweatshirts and Trayvon Martin and allegedly used a racial slur....Sergeant Toney said that, after the incident, the boys were "snatched up" so quickly there would not have been time for the youths to "get their story straight."

"The teens, one white and five black according to police, ranged in age from 11 to 17."

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yabits - Of course, that is ludicrous nonsense, purposely framed in such a way to provoke maximum outrage. (But yet again, it didn't work.)

The program and show in question is NBC and The Today Show -- certainly not MSNBC.

NBC Universal owns 82 percent of MSNBC. They show the same falsely edited videos. NBC and MSNBC have been leading the media lynch mob with false stories. Al Sharpton, who is a primetime show host for MSNBC, has been personally leading the lynch mob marches. MSNBC Pop Cultural contributor Toure recently attacked CNN anchor Piers Morgan, on Morgan's show, for even talking to Zimmerman's brother on air. Toure said that MSNBC would never allow that side of the story to be heard. NBC = MSNBC.

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yabits - The nonsense that Zimmerman actually said "punks" is coming from this legal defense team. But you don't buy "punks" and I don't either.

Hahahaha. It's the same audio forensics expert that you mentioned earlier, Tom Owen, who determined that George Zimmerman said, "punks".

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The gotcha stuff on this thread is hilarious. This is a case of he said, he said. Where is the forensic evidence? Where are the results of a thorough investigation? Until we get this info, it's all based on what Zimmerman said and the one witness that says Zimmerman was on the ground. We don't know what happened after the Zimmerman 911 call and before Trayvon and George had a confrontation. We pick sides because some are willing to believe the shooter and some want to see the proof that it went down the way he said. If you want to see proof to the contrary, you still want to see proof. I hope the proof comes out soon. There are so many stories of "self-defense" that later turned out to be BS because it was based on one side of the story. I hope this is NOT one of those cases. Did you hear me (arrestpaul, Lieberman, Madverts)?? I hope for Zimmerman sake, he IS telling the truth. But without heresy, his reason and his legal defense seem suspect.

I hope it doesn't lead to similar acts of "self-defense" where a legally armed citizen pursues a "suspicious" person and ends up in a fight because they, themselves, are suspicious, so they shoot and kill because they were just trying to...(who the heck knows)...follow someone? Word the wise...don't follow too close.

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I hope the proof comes out soon. There are so many stories of "self-defense" that later turned out to be BS because it was based on one side of the story. I hope this is NOT one of those cases.

I agree with you, MrDarryl.

The things we do know -- that Zimmerman was improperly pursuing a suspect and carrying a weapon, and could be argued that he was the provoker of the altercation that ensued -- should cause reasonable people to demand that a higher standard for "self-defense" against an unarmed kid heading home (and standing his ground) be applied.

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In breaking news, the special prosecutor assigned to the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, is indicating that a grand jury will not be needed to determine if charges should be brought against George Zimmerman.

That is a gutsy decision because Corey has elected to let all the weight fall on her office.

I do not know what her decision will be, but I can promise that no matter which way she decides for the people of the state, I will respect the decision and will counsel others to do the same.

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One way of looking at how the "anti" and "pro" sides is by listening to someone with empathy like this girl: www.youtube.com/watch? feature=player_embedded&v=TBRwiuJ8K7w

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Don't put any spaces in that url and see what she has to say. I believe she clarifies the anti-Zimmerman solidarity very well as well as the pro-Zimmerman side. It is apparent that only 5 or 6 people still care about this on JT, but the truth, that Zimmerman wants us to believe, needs facts that can be backed up by evidence (not just heresy). This should be mandatory when only one side of the story exist.

I agree that a person should be able to defend themselves. I do not agree that a thorough investigation should not be done when a person is killed and the killer says they were protecting themselves. There should be overwhelming proof to back up the claim.

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MrDarryl - It is apparent that only 5 or 6 people still care about this on JT, but the truth, that Zimmerman wants us to believe, needs facts that can be backed up by evidence (not just heresy). This should be mandatory when only one side of the story exist.

There should be overwhelming proof to back up the claim.

All you have to do is provide proof that Zimmerman's story is false. That's the way the law works. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. It's the lynch mobs that don't require proof to convict someone.

You're expecting the court system to arrest someone without proof they violated Florida law. There are witnesses to back up Zimmerman's side of the story.

I notice that Martin's GF has finally talked to the Special Prosecutor. It's about time. Now that the grand jury has been dismissed (along with any chance of charging Zimmerman with a Capital crime because that would require a grand jury), it's up to the SP to decide if charges should be brought. Then the SP will have to actually PROVE that Zimmerman violated any Florida laws and for that she'll need proof. Better proof that's been presented so far on the internet.

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MrDarryl - One way of looking at how the "anti" and "pro" sides is by listening to someone with empathy like this girl:

I would expect you to make you own case, pro or con, unless you don't have any proof that Zimmerman's story is false. You can always fall back on "empathy" and "feelings" when you have nothing else. The law, however, still requires "proof" that any laws were violated.

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The investigation is ongoing and the prosecutor is not sending the case to the grand jury. Hopefully she has the evidence she needs to either back-up or refute Zimmerman's claim. I wonder if this would have happened if the so-called "lynch mob" was silent. It's about time the facts came into the light. I don't know why Zimmerman is trying to raise money for his defense when he hasn't been brought into custody. Maybe he knows he effed up, or maybe he just wants some free cash.

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MrDarryl - I don't know why Zimmerman is trying to raise money for his defense when he hasn't been brought into custody. Maybe he knows he effed up, or maybe he just wants some free cash.

Zimmerman still has to pay his lawyers and legal fees. Due to the fact that the New Black Panther party has offered $10,000 for Zimmerman's murder or kidnapping, Zimmerman can't work, can't go to school, can't live in his home, and can't associate with his family or friends. That's probably why he needs to raise money for his expenses.

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His lawyers have dropped him and have been telling the media about his potential PTSD and that he is not in the state of Florida anymore, I guess he owes them some cash. I can't believe they are talking about him so much. Client-attorney privilege...Hello!? Now the prosecutor is saying she will make an announcement in less than 72 hours. I think she may be worried about him too (thanks lawyers SMH). Hopefully something will come of this mayhem. I'm glad the Martins kept up their fight for justice. I stand with them because they have never wavered in their goal.

At arrestpaul...I think the little Black Panther party better watch their butts. It's ridiculous to put a bounty on someone head...even in jest. They will be on an FBI watch list forever after that stupid publicity stunt.

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MrDarryl - I think the little Black Panther party better watch their butts. It's ridiculous to put a bounty on someone head...even in jest. They will be on an FBI watch list forever after that stupid publicity stunt.

The New Black Panther party has been on the FBI watch list for years. In 2008, NPPP members were arrested and convicted for voter intimidation. The charges were dismissed at the Whitehouse level. It's good to have friends at the upper levels of government.

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