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Virus flareups in Europe lead to club closings, mask orders

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By SYLVIE CORBET, FRANCES D'EMILIO and DAVID CRARY

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Looks like people are learning to live with the virus and balance the human need to live life. I can't wait to travel soon when Japan gets rid of the re-entry ban. I got a huge wad of cash from my summer bonus to blow and I ain't spending it at an overpriced onsen.

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yoshisan

Yeah. Sweden is really doing a very good job.

....and in Sweden, Corona seems to done. There is no new outbreak, while in countries with lockdowns you see the continuing game of whack-a-mole.

So, wait until it is over before deciding who did the best job.

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yoshisan

So far, Sweden has suffered around 5800 deaths – far smaller than the US’ 167,000 deaths or the UK’s almost 50,000 fatalities, according to Johns Hopkins University’s coronavirus resource centre

This is the typical ridiculous mistake that the journalists love to make.... they compare a population of 300 million with a population of 10 million. Are they all graduates of "common core" math??

But compared to its Scandinavian neighbours, Sweden’s experience is grim. It has recorded 10 times the deaths of Denmark and 20 times that of Norway, both of which locked down harder.

Yes, and the Swedes acknowledge that. However, they also point out that most deaths are in old age homes, and Sweden is different from Norway and Denmark in that Swedish homes are large, central facilities, whereas in Norway and Denmark they tend to be small and local.

So again, there is no "European" policy. Situations and policy vary among countries.

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No they have not, and there is no such thing as "European leader". Policy is all over the place in various European countries, and I strongly suspect that once dust settles, most numbers will be similar to Swedens, which had no lockdown and very relaxed mask rules.

Covid-29 death per 1 million population

1 San Marino 1237

2 Belgium 856

3 Peru 787

4 Andorra 686

5 Spain 612

6 UK 609

7 Italy 583

8 Sweden 572

9 Chile 540

10 USA 518

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So far, Sweden has suffered around 5800 deaths – far smaller than the US’ 167,000 deaths or the UK’s almost 50,000 fatalities, according to Johns Hopkins University’s coronavirus resource centre

But compared to its Scandinavian neighbours, Sweden’s experience is grim. It has recorded 10 times the deaths of Denmark and 20 times that of Norway, both of which locked down harder.

Yeah. Sweden is really doing a very good job.

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Bob Fosse

But it is undeniable that you know who is leading the worst place in the world for COVID-19 and it is not slowing down

The highest number in population adjusted deaths are in San Marino, followed by Belgium. Both in Europe, last time I looked. Your point is what exactly?

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Bob Fosse

Because European leaders have done a much better job and been a lot less arrogant about it than you know who.

No they have not, and there is no such thing as "European leader". Policy is all over the place in various European countries, and I strongly suspect that once dust settles, most numbers will be similar to Swedens, which had no lockdown and very relaxed mask rules.

We really should do without strawme like claiming there is one "European" policy.

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@Toasted Heretic

"A new public awareness campaign by Spain’s Canary Islands depicts a family gathering for a grandfather’s birthday, with people taking off masks and embracing. The grandfather ends up in a hospital bed with COVID-19."

Harsh, but necessary. It should be aimed at the hordes of binge drinkers who hit places like Las Americas in Tenerife. One or two Euros for a pint, and you can forget all the social distancing and niceties.

(Not all Tenerife, nor the Canaries are deluged by lager louts, I must add)

True.

I also don't understand this moaning and panicking over the 14 day quarantine if you go somewhere. First of all, you shouldn't go on any travels now anyways, and second, if you go, you should be wise enough to quarantine anyways, official orders or not!

Looking at these images and reading the article, it's easy to see you're actually in a higher risk of catching the bugger in these crowded queues, planes and trains - which people were rushing into, in order to avoid the quarantine... this is just - brainless.

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Harsh, but necessary.

Yes. When AIDS first started hitting Australia, the govt started running the so-called 'Grim Reaper' TV spots featuring the GR himself wielding a scythe and cutting down all manner of people, male and female, young and old, without discrimination. Scared the bejesus out of people, but it worked. It's been suggested here that what's needed now to get people to toe the line is something similarly scary - like your beloved parent or grandparent dying of Covid-19 because of your own carelessness.

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A new public awareness campaign by Spain’s Canary Islands depicts a family gathering for a grandfather’s birthday, with people taking off masks and embracing. The grandfather ends up in a hospital bed with COVID-19.

Harsh, but necessary. It should be aimed at the hordes of binge drinkers who hit places like Las Americas in Tenerife. One or two Euros for a pint, and you can forget all the social distancing and niceties.

(Not all Tenerife, nor the Canaries are deluged by lager louts, I must add)

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How come few people care about Europe here but if it was about the U.S., we would already be 50 comments deep already attacking you know who?

Because European leaders have done a much better job and been a lot less arrogant about it than you know who.

Because Europeans haven’t been shooting each other over mask wearing or making a political issue over it.

Because Europeans welfare system has been paying money promptly and fairly.

Of course this is a generalization and here will be some googling news items to show exceptions. But it is undeniable that you know who is leading the worst place in the world for COVID-19 and it is not slowing down. European clusters are a minor concern in comparison to you know where.

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The really mind-boggling thing about all this - opening up clubs, bars, having street parties, encouraging travel to and from countries where there are still hundreds or thousands of infections - is what the hell did they think was going to happen?

“Unfortunately, this virus doesn’t play ball,” British Transport Secretary Grant Shapps told Sky News.

Oh, that was it - you thought this was a game.

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*virus flareups. My mistake.

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Geez, all these fires flareups are really putting a huge cramp on everything around the world. What’s going on here? Why is this happening?

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Not much in the way of social distancing in that photo.

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