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I am very assured to see that many people do not trust the people in charge of telling us the truth about CoronaVirus on a global scale. Makes me feel sad for the rest.

4 ( +10 / -6 )

So the media’s and most governments’ narrative recently is that surprisingly we are now having another spike. Huh, ya think? It’s a virus. I think most people have cottoned on to how they work now,

Why don’t you just be honest and say, ‘ This is a virus. Viruses don’t go away. We are going to have to live with this. Deal with it in your own way. Life is short for all of us. If you are 20 years old now I understand you don’t want to waste your next five years stuck at home. If you are 80, it’s probably best you stay at home or you might die.

There. You’re welcome incompetent world media and incompetent governments.

The virus, like most things, should and will become a choice. Stop sensationalizing with headlines like, ooohhh second spike.

-17 ( +12 / -29 )

"This is a virus. Viruses don’t go away. We are going to have to live with this. Deal with it in your own way. 

Nations need to deal with this virus in an organized way or it will continue to kill people at the current brisk clip. Rights come with obligations and your right to do as you wish ends when your actions can harm others. We all have obligations to each other as citizens of our respective nations. Wear a mask. Social distance. Don't have large gatherings, especially indoor gatherings. Wash your hands often and use hand sanitizer. It's not that hard. Your choice to ignore this advice can get someone else infected and maybe killed. You will be contagious before you are symptomatic if you catch this virus. If you refuse to take the right precautions you could infect others unknowingly. You don't have a right to risk the health and maybe the life others that way.

12 ( +21 / -9 )

I’m sorry but I have the right to act how I like until certain actions are deemed illegal. I have my own moral conscience as do we all. The cowardly approach to most leaders regarding this virus, ie not laying out the plain truth about what this virus is, and how there’s really little that can be done to stop it spreading other than wearing flimsy masks etc. is almost worse than the virus itself. Not letting young people know they may most important decade of their life robbed from them. Who are you to tell young people using that example, that their 20s should be robbed to save 80 year olds they don’t know? This is a choice for each and every one of us, and quite frankly, I respect that there will be a range of choices. People are allowed to be selfish.

-17 ( +12 / -29 )

Is there any evidence to support this "public loses faith in authorities?"

How many people? What are they losing faith about? How smart are the people losing faith? Did they ever have any faith at all in authorities?

-1 ( +8 / -9 )

That said, I’m not so young. I am responsible and for the most part, I act as safely as possible around other people. But if I were in my 20s I’m not sure how happy I’d be at being locked in for half the most important years of my life. We are all different. We should give people leeway to decide.

-15 ( +11 / -26 )

A surge of cases in Spain has caused the British government to issue, those returning to the UK from midnight will have to enter two weeks of self isolation. Thousands of Brits flew to Spain and thousands more are booked. The situation can change even during a short vacation.

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Having read some of the comments I now believe that some people honestly enjoy this pandemic. Masks are effective way of stopping the spread of viruses as long as both the infected and uninfected wear them. Social distancing is also another way of stopping this virus but no power can stop the idiots out there. Yep, go on, mingle with your friends...I have to work to feed my family is not an excuse when you think a lot can be done to stop the spread of the virus in work places: UV lights, hand sanitisers, masks, visors etc can effectively stop this virus. Corona is not invincible but the idiots out there make it invincible.

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 with America the hardest-hit nation

The US 'authority' is much more concerned about his TV ratings (still thinks he's the star of a reality TV show) and his re-election than he is about the families and friends of the 150,000 dead, the more than 4,000,000 sickened - many will never fully recover,

and a devastated economy that will probably never regain the stability had during President Obama's terms in office.

Trump, his family and their fellow 'elite' have access to the best healthcare the country has. Whereas millions of Americans have none. And many of them are losing their homes and cars, with no prospects for work.

Trump's plutocracy, the Republican Party's dream.

5 ( +15 / -10 )

public loses faith in authorities

Which public and which authorities? Authorities in different countries around the world have taken widely different approaches, and the results are not at all consistent. I.e. Sweden with its relaxed approach initially showed higher death rates, but now they look more like middle of the field.

I suspect that after the virus has run its course, we will see that it did not make all that much difference what policies "the authorities" enacted..... other than the difference that some destroyed their economies with draconian lockdowns.

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Ptownsend

and a devastated economy that will probably never regain the stability had during President Obama's terms in office.

The economy is devastated by the lockdowns that the Trump adversaries are advocating.

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I’m sorry but I have the right to act how I like until certain actions are deemed illegal.

Assuming you're in Japan then you know it's one of the few countries that doesn't have the legal framework to tell you to 'stay home or be fined' so you're just taking advantage of what many consider to be a 'loophole' which resulted from the current laws (which are now under review).

most important decade of their life robbed from them

Firstly, where did you get it's going to, for a lack of a better word, 'inconvenience' people for a 'decade' from? Please name a reliable source for this. Secondly, if we all act responsibly i.e. and not follow your way of thinking this is not going to last a 'decade' so ironically your questionable advice is prolonging this but then you complain about it robbing people's best years.

People are allowed to be selfish.

I have no words to comment on this as it's such an alien concept to me and many others. Nonetheless I wish you, your friends and family and all the one's you care for and all the people you meet on a daily basis the best of luck and the best of health.

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"Virus surges worldwide as public loses faith in authorities"

Kind of misleading... The government is not an authority on medicine, or microbiology, or infectious diseases.

Therefore, doctors and scientists in those fields WOULD be the authorities. While I haven't run a poll on this, my anecdotal experience has been showing me that many people with a modicum of intelligence do listen to the authorities and have complete faith in them.

The ones that they don't have faith in are the charlatans masquerading as authorities, i.e. their politicians.

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Politics aside, this article is poorly constructed. It says:

"In most countries this month, support for national governments is falling," the report by the Kekst CNC communications consulting group said.

Falling from what percentage to what percentage? Is it from 50% to 45%? Is it 40% to 20%? I'm not advocating anything, it just lack supporting information. Your 9th grade teacher would never accept this kind of writing.

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@Simian Lane. The high risk population that you don't seem to care much for is the generation that rebuilt the world from out of the ashes of WW II and built the creature comforts that you now enjoy. When they were young the world robbed them of their youth and their lives but they made untold sacrifices for their families and friends; it's called selflessness, not selfishness. People are allowed to be selfish? Yes, you're right and when the situation demands that we cannot be selfish then those who are, will be ostracized. Live your motto and accept your consequences. And by the way, regarding what you said, "the right to act how I like until certain actions are deemed illegal." The extermination of the Jews was not illegal in Nazi Germany nor was apartheid or slavery.

6 ( +12 / -6 )

Kekst CNC survey methodology and full results:

Respondents from nationally representative sample of 1,000 adults in Great Britain, 1,000 adults in Sweden, 1,000 adults in Germany, 1,000 adults in United States, 1,000 adults in Japan and 1,000 adults in France. were asked how well or badly they thought any of the below countries (France, Japan, Sweden, Denmark, USA, Austria, HK, UAE, Switzerland, UK, Mainland China, Russia, Italy, Spain, S Korea, Germany) around the world had handled the coronavirus crisis overall.

Fieldwork took place on 1st June _ 5th June 2020.

Quotas and weights on gender, age, and region in each country.

Margins of error of +/- 3.3% for all countries.

Respondents from outside of the United States, see that nation to have handled the COVID-19 pandemic worse than any of the other 16 countries included in the survey. Only in the United States itself is there a view that others (Italy and Mainland China) have done a worse job.

The United States is seen to have handled COVID-19 badly by a net 73% by citizens of the UK and Germany, and net badly by 61%, 50% and 49% from France, Japan and Sweden respectively. Citizens of the United States rate their own country at net 15% badly. The UK, Mainland China, Russia, Italy and Spain are all rated negatively overall. The UK was the most critical of its own nation’s response, rating the response a net 26% badly.

Although there is generally positive feedback on the performance of public services and essential retailers through the pandemic, the performance of political leaders is not universally praised by their own citizens. The Japanese Prime Minister scores a net -33% in Japan, and The United States President a net -20% in the United States. There is also strong domestic criticism of the French president (net -17%) and UK Prime Minister (net -7%). These ratings are in complete contrast to that of the German Chancellor who scores +48% on the same metrics.

Government priorities

Looking over time, the survey found in all markets apart from Sweden, the gap between prioritising lives (even if that risks a major recession) and avoiding economic damage (even if that risks a major loss of life) is narrowing. In the United States, the gap has gone from 30 points last month to 22 now, from 16 points to 13 in Germany, from 44 to 30 points in Japan and from 59 points to 41 in the UK. Sweden, where lockdown measures have been less stringent has seen the gap widening over the past month, rising from 15 to 20 points.

The UK remains the country where the public is most adamant about the importance of saving lives (63%), regardless of economic damage.

https://www.kekstcnc.com/insights/germany-most-praised-united-states-most-criticised-for-global-covid-19-response

"Fieldwork took place on 1st June _ 5th June 2020"

I wonder how confident in their governments people are feeling now.

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I’m going to post this here too.

300 per day 300 per day with little exponential rise. These numbers are fake.

For whatever reason, Olympics, public panic, national reputation, a silent culling of the elderly who draw on the pension system, Koike is manipulating these figures. She states 2 when there are 40, for example. The public and the world have the right to know what the real situation is.

The article below proves this yet it was not widely reported.

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/8e7350772f050bc3adc2a66ca7c31251d182c9be

Every new virus case has to be faxed in. There is no digital record of the real numbers that way.

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Love how here in Japan you don't need to pass any laws to have people wear masks.

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I am very assured to see that many people do not trust the people in charge of telling us the truth about CoronaVirus on a global scale.

I am not. I would rather NOT see people in public wandering around just because they can. They should be at home, unless they are exercising, grocery shopping or "essential workers" making it possible for everyone else to stay home. When you exercise, stay away from other people.

This is going to get much worse before it gets better. Because everyone wouldn't stay home, we'll be into December before getting control, I fear.

Japan has been lucky, so far. Australia and NZ thought they'd beaten it, but as long as airlines and boat ship people between different countries, everyone will be at risk.

Stay home.

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Why do so many people blame the governments? This is a highly contagious and deadly virus. Do people really need to be told to wash their hands and avoid crowds to contain the virus? Do people blame the governments if they catch the virus at a rave party or a social gathering of a hundred people or more? If the virus is spreading it is the fault of the people who ignore the safety initiatives put in place by the governments. It is the fault of the idiots who ignore the initiatives, not the governments.

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The impression I get from many leaders and authorities is that we must wait for the vaccine, and they seem to want to make life for us as scary and inconvenient as possible so that we would beg for the vaccine. Those of us who do not only rely on MSM know that these same people have so much to gain financially from vaccine sales. And we also learn that one thing that is a great benefit to our immune system and which has been proven to help protect against Covid19 is our vitamin D levels. The authorities should be telling us EVERY DAY to keep our vitamin D levels high through our diet and/or by going out in the sun (NOT STAYING HOME!!!).

Most (all?) leaders and authorities are corrupt and/or ignorant, even if they are scientists.

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@Raw Beer

proven to help protect against Covid19 is our vitamin D levels

I’m interested to know whether this ‘help’ is specific to C-19 (in addition to the usual benefits of vit. D).

Do you have a reliable (i.e. peer reviewed from a scientific publication preferably) source for this that you could share with us please? Thx!

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It is the fault of the idiots who ignore the initiatives, not the governments.

Some governments have been much better at formulating and communicating initiatives than others. In general, they understandably receive higher ratings from their constituents.

Charlie Foxtrot countries include most notably the US and the UK, the leaders of which appear to be incapable of organizing a birthday party, let alone a response to a pandemic.

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system and which has been proven to help protect against Covid19 is our vitamin D levels. The authorities should be telling us EVERY DAY to keep our vitamin D levels high through our diet and/or by going out in the sun (NOT STAYING HOME!!!).

Trouble is I'm beginning to wonder if the sun has gone into lockdown too.

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I’m interested to know whether this ‘help’ is specific to C-19 (in addition to the usual benefits of vit. D).

Vitamin D has number of health benefits, and its effects on overall immunity are well established, particularly regarding protection against respiratory tract infections.

There have also been a number of studies showing a correlation between low vitD levels and dying from C19.

And yes, these are from scientific publications. I recommend you check out Dr. John Campbell and MedCram, these are two youtube channels providing regular updates on C19. They each have a few videos focusing specifically on vitD, they provide the references and often show the actual paper.

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From Johns Hopkins Hospital

Hope this info sheds more light on this serious health issue........Good information. "Stay Well and Be Safe"

This virus is not a living organism. It is a protein molecule (RNA or DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular (eyes), nasal (nose) or buccal mucosa (mouth), changes their genetic code (mutates) and converts into aggressor and multiplier cells.

Since the virus is not a living organism, but is a protein molecule, it cannot be killed. It has to decay on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat and that is the reason why soap or detergent is the best weapon. The foam CUTS THE FAT (that is why you have to scrub for 20 seconds or more, to create lots of foam).

By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down.

HEAT melts fat; this is why it is necessary to use water above 77 degrees for hand washing, laundry and cleaning surfaces. In addition, hot water makes more foam, making it more effective.

Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ALL FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

Any solution with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaking it down from the inside.

Oxygenated water increases the effectiveness of soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein. However, because you have to use it in its pure form, it can damage your skin.

NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC WILL WORK because the virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.

The virus molecules remain very stable at colder temperatures, including air conditioning in houses and cars. They also need moisture and darkness to stay stable. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade the virus faster.

UV LIGHT on any object that may contain the virus breaks down the protein. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is only 40% alcohol, and you need a minimum of 65%.

LISTERINE is 65% alcohol.

The more confined the space, the higher the concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

You have to wash your hands before and after touching any commonly used surfaces such as : mucosa (mouth area) , food, locks, knobs, switches, remotes, cell phones, watches, computers, desks etc. and don’t forget when you use the bathroom.

You have to MOISTURIZE YOUR HANDS due to frequent washing. Dry hands have cracks and the molecules can hide in the micro cracks The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

PLEASE SHARE WITH YOUR FRIENDS

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Re the 9.37 post above:

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/04/03/coronavirus-misinformation-rumors-social-media/

It's up to individuals to decide what and who to believe.

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@Raw Beer Good point. Has any authority given any information to citizens about steps to take to improve the immune system? Rhetorical question; the answer is no. It is a huge failure.

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NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is only 40% alcohol, and you need a minimum of 65%.

Yeah, ummmm, I don’t have any vodka in my cupboard but you’re joking if you think 40% is the strongest.

3 ( +3 / -0 )

The American States are now required by Trump to send their virus figures directly to the White House instead of the CDC.

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All of us have to take responsibility for the pandemic's spread, but the virus has also had the effect of the red pill revealing government incompetence hiding behind the chaos: the UK's "Trump" now slyly admits, " 'Maybe there were things we could have done differently...", but the exculpatory could implies his cabinet had the ability to prevent the severity of the pandemic, which is highly moot, whereas should would be the more accurate word describing their unforgivably disastrous choices and holding them responsible for the many unnecessary deaths. Only the gullible or naive still cannot see that their "Emperor" has no clothes: Person, Woman, Man, Virus, Moron!

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Brother in New York praised Mayor Cuomo but said a block of wood could have done better than Trump.

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Deaths per million caused by the CCP Virus as of July 23 2020:

Belgium 858.69

UK 684.34

Spain 608.38

Italy 580.53

Sweden 556.51

Chile 463.29

France 449

USA 437.06
-4 ( +5 / -9 )

proxyToday  09:55 am JST

@Raw Beer Good point. Has any authority given any information to citizens about steps to take to improve the immune system? Rhetorical question; the answer is no. It is a huge failure.

Agree.

Governments want people to rely on them - it’s a power thing. So people taking responsibility for their own health and boosting their immune system on their own runs counter to that and therefore reduces their dependence on governments.

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Which world leaders have been mentioned in the comments by name? That tells you what it’s about. Yes it shouldn’t be politics but yet it is for some.

it is not about politics.

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Let's hope this signals and end to authoritarian governments, whatever country they abuse.

Trump, his family and their fellow 'elite' have access to the best healthcare the country has. Whereas millions of Americans have none

For now. History shows us what eventually happens to the elite and tyrants.

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Brother in New York praised Mayor Cuomo but said a block of wood could have done better than Trump.

Well, there has to be someone...

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/blame-game-cuomo-takes-heat-over-ny-nursing-home-study

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

Amazing that some people try to play down the pandemic figures when nearly 150,000 Americans have died. America has the highest numbers of cases and deaths in the world. If Trump had used his Kung Fu on the Kung Flu earlier than probably lives would have been saved from the “sniffles”.

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Deaths per million caused by the CCP Virus as of July 23 2020

CCP virus? Really? What a berk.

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@kyronstavic

Pretty good data set out of Europe and New York that vitamin D deficiency results in higher case loads and much higher death rates.

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The WHO is supposedly the the ultimate world authority about the virus. Watch this and one can see they are the ultimate authority for its spread world wide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxhZ2Z-Y4ls

This is not from a Trump supporter and just deals with the documented facts from WHO themselves.

Anyhow wanting to still listen to their authority should hang their head in shame.

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Pretty good data set out of Europe and New York that vitamin D deficiency results in higher case loads and much higher death rates.

Many studies vitamin D are association or observational studies. By definition, these studies cannot prove the causal relationship, but only point to mere correlations. Imagine two groups of 80-year-olds. One group is spry, active and does sports. If you compare them with another group living in nursing homes, the difference in vitamin D levels will be dramatic. Life expectancy would also be extremely different. But to try to explain the difference in fitness by vitamin D status alone is far too simplistic. "Vitamin D levels are a good measure of how sick someone is. But not more," said Martin Fassnacht, head of endocrinology at the University Hospital of Würzburg.

There have also been a number of studies showing a correlation between low vitD levels and dying from C19.

A research study carried out at the University of Hohenheim has now established a link between vitamin D deficiency, certain previous diseases, and severe cases of COVID-19.

According to the study, "there is a lot of evidence that several non-communicable diseases (high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, metabolic syndrome) are associated with low vitamin D plasma levels. These comorbidities, together with the often accompanying vitamin D deficiency, increase the risk of severe COVID-19 events."

"This statement is completely correct," said Martin Fassnacht, head of endocrinology at the University Hospital of Würzburg. However, he qualifies that it is a pure association, "i.e. a mere observation that these events occur together.

Dr. Fassnacht is very critical of the hype surrounding vitamin D, but not because he denies the vitamin serves important functions. However, studies on humans have not been able to show that vitamin D has the healing powers many often propagate.

"If you take a closer look, the hopes that the administration of vitamin D has a healing effect have not been confirmed so far," said Fassnacht.

According to Fassnacht, none of the intervention studies carried out to date -- that specifically examined the effect of vitamin D on various diseases -- has been able to confirm the previous association and laboratory studies or the presumed positive effect of vitamin D.

https://www.dw.com/en/vitamin-d-against-covid-19-more-help-or-hype/a-54089415

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Amazing that some people try to play down the pandemic figures when nearly 150,000 Americans have died. A

Not surprising given many of those playing down the figures are supporters of Trump's Republican Party agendas. For decades Republicans have shown a callous disregard for all but the country's wealthiest. Trump Republicans know people of color and those at the lower end of the economic scale have been hit hardest by the virus. Trump Republicans don't care about those hurt. Most Trump supporters are compassion free - and many push eugenics and white nationalism.

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There are reams of peer reviewed published research that are pretty darn clear on vitamin D and the human immune system. Here is one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3166406/

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Deaths per million caused by the CCP Virus as of July 23 2020:

Or to frame those figures in a different way, the U.S. has the 6th worst Covid 19 mortality rate in the world. Here are some examples. Deaths per million:

U.S.A. 444.9

Brazil 406.9

Ireland 363.2

The Netherlands 357.4

Mexico 337.9

Canada 240.8

Germany 110

Denmark 45

And so on. I could continue with dozens more.

You still think Trump's U.S.A. has done a good job?

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@Bruce Chatwin

Taking vitamin D supplements does not kill people, COVID does.

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If your leader wants you to inject disinfectants, can you blame the people for not trusting the leaders.

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If your leader wants you to inject disinfectants, can you blame the people for not trusting the leaders.

If you're a Trump supporter, you blame people for not trusting the leader.

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Taking vitamin D supplements does not kill people, COVID does.

Please point out where I (or Dr. Fassnacht) stated or implied that taking Vitamin D supplements killed people. What is in question is whether or not vitamin D "has been proven to help protect against Covid19".

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Many studies vitamin D are association or observational studies. By definition, these studies cannot prove the causal relationship, but only point to mere correlations.

But the associations are very abundant and clear, more than practically any other potential treatment or preventive measure. Definitely more than the alleged effectiveness of vaccines...

I agree that vitamin D will have no or limited benefit once you're sick with Covid, but vitamin D is safe (unless you really over do it) and will have numerous other benefits.

But why do we never hear about it. All we get is be afraid, hide, let us track you, and wait for our vaccine...

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Governments want people to rely on them - it’s a power thing. So people taking responsibility for their own health and boosting their immune system on their own runs counter to that and therefore reduces their dependence on governments.

The leader of the UK government has recently backed an anti-obesity drive and has talked about healthy eating and nutrition. It did take the blubbery idiot catching Covid after defying medical advice to wake him up on this, but it is a start.

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There are 7 countries with higher rate so that would be 8th.

U.S. has the 6th worst Covid 19 mortality rate in the world

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You still think Trump's U.S.A. has done a good job?

I personally think every liberal governor and mayor did a horrible job.

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*There are 7 countries with higher rate so that would be *8th.

OK... but still... 8th worst. That is nothing to be proud of.

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You still think Trump's U.S.A. has done a good job?

I personally think every liberal governor and mayor did a horrible job.

Have you looked at the performance of the thousands of liberal governors and mayors? This sounds like yet another ill-thought out partisan comment dashed off for the sake of it.

Anyway, the buck stops at the top.

Have you seen the polls on Trump’s handling of Covid?

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*There are 7 countries with higher rate so that would be **8th.

Talk about feeding on scraps...

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BlacklabelToday  12:17 pm JST

There are 7 countries with higher rate so that would be 8th.

U.S. has the 6th worst Covid 19 mortality rate in the world

That should be enough for a Nobel Prize for trump!!!!

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Definitely more than the alleged effectiveness of vaccines...

Please post links to a consensus of experts in this field who doubt the effectiveness of vaccines. No conspiracy theory sites please.

Alternatively, just post these experts are ‘bought and paid for’.

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Thank you macv.

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Do you speak badly every single day about the performance of the leaders of countries 1 to 7th place? Why not?

I rip Boris Johnson, another useless lump out of his depth on Covid.

I praised Merkel for dealing with this well.

Trump isn’t alone in the hall of shame.

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Actually Peru just quietly jumped all the way up into 6th place, so the USA is now 9th.

Any comments about the Peru response to COVID? One of the strictest and longest lockdowns in the world.

Border closures and curfews

The lockdown in Peru started on 16 March - before the UK and some other European countries - and continued until the end of June.

This made it one of the longest in the world.

The county's borders were shut, curfews were imposed, and people could leave their homes for essential goods only - but infections and deaths continued to rise.

Daily reported cases are now falling - but the number of deaths remains high.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-53150808

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Actually, the virus has surged in countries where people do not have faith in their central governments. Compare Japan, South Korea, NZ and Singapore with the US, UK Hungary and the Philippines.

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Have you looked at the performance of the thousands of liberal governors and mayors?

Yup.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-07-14/blame-game-cuomo-takes-heat-over-ny-nursing-home-study

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/17/democratic-governors-coronavirus-lockdown-legal-challenges-261428

This sounds like yet another ill-thought out partisan comment dashed off for the sake of it. 

Just the facts, just the facts...

Anyway, the buck stops at the top. 

That’s why these leaders did a horrible job. Oh and this...

https://pvtimes.com/news/third-recall-attempt-launched-against-newsom-87260/

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I guess is some kind of sick joke only Trump supporters get....

Boasting about the US death rate when over 150K Americans are dead and 1K more die each day...

Donald and his Deplorables dancing on the graves of innocent Americans...

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@bass4fYup

Backatcha

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nearly 1/3 of the total deaths in the USA are just in super liberal run New York and New Jersey.

almost 50,000 deaths. another 40,000 in the next 5 highest liberal states.

Florida is in 23rd place, per capita and 8th in total. yet all we hear about is Florida because they have a Republican governor. But nah, this isnt about politics, how would anything think thaaat?

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Two attempts at a Newsom recall have failed. Can't reach the 1.4 million signatures out of a population of 40 million.

Even cities in Texas are challenging lockdowns. Austin, Dallas and San Antonio.

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Trying to justify deaths with a per capita?

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https://public.tableau.com/profile/oregon.health.authority.covid.19#!/vizhome/OregonHealthAuthorityCOVID-19DataDashboard/COVID-19EPICases?:display_count=y&:toolbar=n&:origin=viz_share_link&:showShareOptions=false

This is Oregon, USA.

go back 56 days to account for the nightly Portland riots. then see when the number of cases started to exponentially increase, it matches up almost to the day. the increase started around May 30.

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nearly 1/3 of the total deaths in the USA are just in super liberal run New York and New Jersey.

Trump is not president of those places?

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not according to most liberals. They said they have the right as states to set their own policies for COVID response, closing and reopening. So I guess not, for this issue.

Trump is not president of those places?

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If Trump can send in Fed troops to guard Fed buildings and attack protestors why can't he send in the Fed doctors and nurses to fight the pandemic?

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an example of "you arent the President of my liberal state".

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/new-york-gov-cuomo-blasts-trump-on-school-reopenings-its-not-up-to-the-president.html

New York Gov. Cuomo blasts Trump on school reopenings: ‘It’s not up to the president’

“School reopenings are a state decision. Period. That is the law, and that is the way we’re going to proceed. It’s not up to the president of the United States,” Cuomo said during a news briefing.

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not according to most liberals

That could be right. The only people I've heard accept trump's presidency tend to be white nationalists.

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Really sad telling the families and friends of the 150,000 dead that per capita it wasn't that bad. Not sure it will help them in their hour of grief.

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and more. fighting the President all the way. Its my decision! but then when his decision kills people, liberals blame Trump.

""The statement that he has total authority over the states and the nation cannot go uncorrected," Cuomo said at his own daily press briefing, in which he quoted Alexander Hamilton at length on the nature of government.

State governments possess inherent advantages, which will ever give them an influence & ascendency over the Nat'l Gov & will forever preclude the possibility of federal encroachments. That their liberties can be subverted by the federal head is repugnant...” —Alexander Hamilton

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/cuomo-on-trumps-authority-comment-we-dont-have-a-king-we-have-a-president/2372969/

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he did, he sent a whole hospital ship to NY. Which Cuomo left unused, instead sending COVID patients to nursing homes to kill over 6200 innocent seniors. (and no one is attacking the protesters, its the other way around, the federal law enforcement is showing superhuman restraint.)

If Trump can send in Fed troops to guard Fed buildings and attack protestors why can't he send in the Fed doctors and nurses to fight the pandemic?

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