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© Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.Voters skeptical of Biden's age, but Trump's flubs risk drawing unwelcome attention, too
By WILL WEISSERT and JILL COLVIN WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
86 Comments
Jimizo
This is just bad faith.
It’s poor form to waste people’s time like this.
Jimizo
One way we can try to make any sense of the claim that Biden has run up over 30 trillion in debt is if the debt was close to zero when he took office.
I don’t think even Trump claimed to have eliminated the debt during his term.
bass4funk
I think so as well. Lol
Everywhere.
Then you don’t get out much. Sad.
It is, wait for the final tally when Biden will out of office.
bass4funk
Yeah, none of good and let’s not get into the 1994 Crime bill that devasted so many black families and that are still suffering to this day.
Yeah, he is, 280 accomplishments to prove.
We lived in different times and people didn’t have the internet and people couldn’t find things out and we didn’t have access to this information.
No President really was, Socialist, yeah definitely.
and not functioning the way a real leader should, that’s why he has handlers are watching every move he makes. Trump thankfully doesn’t have these issues.
wallace
bass4funk
care to explain if Biden added $33 trillion to the ND why the current level of ND is $33 trillion and according to your claim would make it more than $60 trillion. The straightforward facts are available. Check Biden must be hiding the true level of the ND.
Blacklabel
how exactly were these two checks already proven to be “nothing” and by whom?
Jimizo
What’s the exact figure and where can we find this?
I’ve never come across anyone apart from yourself making the claim that Biden has added over 30 trillion.
This is an important point. If what you say is true, the debt as it stands would be around double what every source I can find states it to be.
Cards fan
Not my point. You repeatedly claimed Trump didn't have to release his tax returns. Now your demanding Biden release his financial records. Why? If you don't think Trump needed to, why do you think Biden needs to?
Again, let's not pretend that the GOP hasn't repeatedly used publicly funded investigations to repeatedly launch spurious investigations on opponents. They've got a long history of doing just that. This isn't the first time this Congress has claimed to find evidence of "Biden corruption" only to be proven it's nothing. So no, I don't believe any of the silly rightwing conspiracy theories. I also don't believe they're serious at all about corruption.
John
Correction: He never STAYS on teleprompter. You can tell when he starts because he speaks in low energy complete sentences.
Then he free-wheels and goes into a good impression of a bi-polar depressive off his meds and speaks a language that only meth heads and their long-suffering loved ones understand.
Cards fan
Why do you care what private citizens do? You certainly do have a different standard when it comes to the Trumps.
John
Fortunately, he’s going to make a pit stop in prison on his way to Hell, so….
Blacklabel
Yes it is when you have NO business.
John
Trump has the vocabulary of a stupid 3rd grader and his frontal cortex is mush.
Didn’t even know what the Triad was or why the US entered WWII.
Botched the biggest public health crisis in a century, cratered the economy, increased the debt more than all of his predecessors, oh… and tried to overthrow the government.
but sure, let’s give him another chance.
The actual head of lettuce used to time out Liz Truss’ term would be a better choice.
Cards fan
So what? Does it mean it's not corruption if you have business interests in China? Very interesting.
Also, let's not lose sight of the irony that same folks that cheered and supported when Trump refused to release his taxes, are now claiming corruption because Biden didn't disclose he got a check from his brother when he wasn't in office, and wasn't even campaigning for office. Give me a break.
Blacklabel
not all.
Garthgoyle
If all US has got to offer in next elections is Biden and Trump, go ahead and remove the m too. Then you'll be 'urica.
NotThe One
Fizzbit......The first year in office Trump bombed Syria and wanted bomb Iran because his Saudi benefactors were willing to pay him and his family handsomely.
Remember that?
starpunk
And Joe has a track record, diplomacy and cred. trashtrump has none of these things and isn't mature enough for the JOB of POTUS. And before anybody gets partisan here, I remember during the 80s when the oldest POTUS was Reagan Reagan and he took quite a bit of flak and crap about his age back then. During his second term he had the early stages of Alzheimer's (which didn't have a medical name yet, and his memoir book reflects all the signs of it). Yet he still was able to negotiate with the USSR and bury the Cold War hatchet. He still was able to get things done as President even though some unscrupulous administration members did dirty deeds behind his back (Iran-Contra), taking advantage of his situation.
Still, Reagan was a President, not a traitor or a fascist (unless you were in the so-called Me Generation of the 70s).
Joe is now the oldest POTUS but like Reagan he has the experience and know -how to do the job. And he is doing it, he's not an Arrogant Tin God despot like the Donald.
NotThe One
Trump does not really want to be president. He already has all the perks of being president for life. He has the celebrity like fame/infamy on a global scale. Lifetime protection to make him untouchable regardless of what he says or does, and it is free. The secret service agents still have to call him "Mr. President". He has multiple new income streams from his cult, and the connections made in office. He wants to simply live in bubble like his wife who was an illegal immigrant and only married him for money and a green card.
Besides, he spent most of his time playing golf than being a president. He only wants to get revenge on his enemies and avoid jail. If he could do that without being president he would because the presidency draws too much attention. It is harder to run scams like before. In his mind, he is only truly safe when America becomes a dictatorship and ran by him modeled after leaders that he admires like Putin, Xi, and previously Kim. That opinion may have changed after their meetings. Trump's first couple of years, he literally told the press to stop finding out things about him and would not allow certain news companies into press meetings because of it.
Mocheake
Normal governance vs. Tricky Dick-style criminality. Actually, Trump makes Nixon look like a choir boy. Biden's got problems for sure but if tens of millions of people are willing to vote into the highest office (again!) a misogynistic, racist, lying criminal, it says a lot about the country.
Cards fan
So what? It isn't a crime to do business in China. Other presidents have done it before. Some even while in office. Now, THAT, I would say is suspicious.
They were private citizens. How can you seriously allege "corruption" when Biden wasn't even in office? Keep trying. :)
FizzBit
LOL
Yeah avoid the elephant...Biden flubbing into warmonger defense contractor mode.
plasticmonkey
Show me your "simplified" facts.
bass4funk
No, you don’t need to when speaking from the cuff, that’s the coolest thing about the guy.
He’s not a politician, exactly! He doesn’t need the practice.
That’s fine, no one will die from that and besides, he’s says a lot of funny things compared to Biden when you say, “da fu…..”
No, their teleprompter prohibits them from doing it.
No, Not opinion, facts, of course the debt is rising, he’s not doing anything to bring it down, Dems don’t do that because it’s not their money, it will increase and now with the wars Biden help to start, watch that number explode.
These are facts, hard simplified facts.
bass4funk
Figures that are online, financial reports and the ND.
Yes
2020hindsights
bass4funk
Yes he does.
Mainly because he has trouble reading. Lack of practice, I guess. But without one he rambles and rambles.
Obama and Biden don't ramble.
plasticmonkey
Your "opinion" is wrong. Here are the % increases of national debt by president as of June:
Biden 6.33%
Trump 40.43%
Obama 69.98%
G.W. Bush 105.08%
Clinton 31.64%
G.H.W. Bush 54.39%
Reagan 186.36%
These are facts, not "the left's" opinions.
GBR48
Trump has the rhetorical ability of an angry 3 year old. He just babbles about anything that floats into his head and talks complete rubbish. He is almost unintelligible. How can anyone elect someone like that into political office? I hope America chooses 'dementia' over 'demented'.
You'd think that a superpower could come up with one, competent, intelligible and trustworthy person of working age to run for president.
wallace
Both should be put out to pasture.
plasticmonkey
He should.
wallace
bass4funk
Because he reads from comics.
Trump increased ND by $8 trillion. To date, Biden has less than $4 trillion.
You can't deny the facts. The forum is still waiting for an answer on your claim Biden increased ND by $33 trillion.
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Jimizo
What figures are you working from? How much is Biden projected to spend?
Are you still using the figures which say Biden has added over 30 trillion to the debt?
u_s__reamer
Biden needs to do a fast LBJ before he screws up the Dems. He's already losing votes by the day with his egregiously inhumane support for Israeli terror bombing. A young candidate to blow away the MAGAGOP is urgently needed before Biden blows it.
bass4funk
Trump almost never uses a teleprompter
The left keep saying this, but ok, let’s say that we’re even true, at the rate Biden is going that will exceed anything Trump piled on. Why? Because Dems will never say No to money or spending…ever.
bass4funk
Wrong guy, nice try. Lol
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-suffers-two-speech-gaffes-in-just-over-24-hours/ar-AA1h6Q9J
sunfunbun
Trump's behavior in court and otherwise is showing me his cognitive ability has dropped a great deal. It isn't just the mistakes he's making verbally, he is visibly confused, and it's his expressions which shows the face of an old man who doesn't understand what or why things are happening.
He has a dazed look of one in a nursing home, and we hadn't seen that before. With every lie he has told in the past, his ability to talk boldly in his alternative facts was a talent he possessed, but as confusion begins to build, that ability loses effectiveness as a weak minded, powerless individual.
'A very sad thing to see. You know....when I look in a mirror...it lies...it's telling a sad, sad story. Very sad. by the way, I love Sioux City. Sioux City is where I am. Sioux City. Yes, you all came from Sioux City, and Sioux City is here. Sioux City is a happy place. Sioux City...'
2020hindsights
bass4funk
Trump looks way more flaky when he is speaking -
Yes he does.
Ah_so
Even in his financial incontinence, Trump is able to outdo his opponents.
Blacklabel
They were “private citizens”.
and actual business. They are real estate and business people from long ago,
What’s the recent Biden “business” consist of again? What do they sell and how can I buy it?
Yrral
I think Biden ,will do a LBJ when the young , minority and others abandoned him,and the party will force him to not seek another term
Blacklabel
joe did business in China? That’s news, he claimed he and his family received no money from China.
what “business” does the Biden family own? What is their product or service that even grandkids can get paid for?
Ah_so
Incorrect. Trump's deficits exceeded any of Biden's to-date.
Blacklabel
So what is your team admitting 91 times about classified docs, the integrity of the election, and business deals?
Jimizo
What figures are you working with?
wallace
bass4funk
You posted Biden has increased the ND by $33 trillion, the total of the current amount.
Trump increased ND by $8 trillion. To date, Biden has less than $4 trillion.
Ah_so
Except it wasn't legit - it was raised with fraudulent documents. As such, he committed a crime.
However, this is a civil case, not a criminal one, so Trump will not be jailed, even though the fraud was a criminal act.
Express sister
Wow, sounds like Trump is losing it. Time for a retirement home for Trump.
u_s__reamer
Apart from being a crook and an oathbreaker who'll soon have to serve elsewhere, Trump's not senile, he's just a moron, and bigly ignorant with it. Biden is just too old and unfit for the job. Young people need an inspiring, competent president with a vision for the future, not another grandpa.
Yrral
As a Democrat,I will personally campaign against Biden,Biden do not have the good sense ,that he is dealing with people more educated than he is ,by this time next year Biden will be in dementia care ,and not on the campaign trail
bass4funk
And now Biden doubling that.
bass4funk
He tripped and fell 8 times this year
he lost his train of thought 12 times this year?
He shook hands with imaginary people?
got the person mixed up, Definitely wasn’t Trump.
Ah_so
Such as increasing the national debt by more than any President before or after him.
Ah_so
Both men are making a few minor mental slips that comes with age. The key thing is who gets the big issues right and who is thinking clearly.
Trump's speeches are nothing more than an incoherent stream of consciousness. He won't read his speeches any more because he's too vain to wear his glasses. He does it with energy and vigour.
Biden's speeches are thoughtful, and deal with the issues. His presentation is dreadful.
It is no surprise that Trump became a successful TV host.
But Biden has a very successful record - record low unemployment and high economic growth. He struggles to get recognition for it, however.
Bob Fosse
Is it because you prefer the gas prices, employment and mortgage rates here and have done for many years?
Blacklabel
fortunately the voting starts again in 2 or so months.
Joe didn’t bother to even put his name on the ballot for the first primary. Epic failed pandering to Black vote.
will you be voting for Biden?
otherworldly
So Trump is a lying con man? It seems Biden caught the bug from him.
Bob Fosse
No. you yourself said it was impossible in one term. But somehow you think it’ll work next time in one term, again.
He achieved precisely diddly squat except dividing the country further.
bass4funk
It actually started in 2010
True.
4 years of 45 certainly didn’t maga.
Let’s see…Jobs added in the initial 30 months:
Trump - 4.9 million
Biden - 2.1 million
Change in household incomes:
Under Trump - Increased by $6,400
Under Biden - Decreased by $4,000
Gasoline costs:
During Trump's term - $1.87 per gallon
Under Biden - Approaching $4 per gallon
Mortgage interest rates:
During Trump's tenure - 2.65%
Under Biden - 7%
So yeah, it’s bad, very bad under this administration.
Uhhh, I don’t think you do..smh..
Express sister
lmao you’ve posted your list of “accomplishments” before and it’s always crap like “thought about maybe eating a vegetable” or “managed to not poop his pants for three days in a row”.
Express sister
Trump?????
PTownsend
Some people, especially those of us that grew up before far right book banning like we're seeing today along with history altering to make white people appear blameless, learned about how nasty extreme right movements have been when left unchecked; see Italy/Germany/Japan during WW2. See Russia today.
wallace
Biden and Trump are too old to be president. There should be an age limit of 70.
Bob Fosse
I agree with you there. America is a mess but I don’t think it suddenly happened when Biden took the reins. It’s been a mess for a long time. 4 years of 45 certainly didn’t maga.
Seems an awful place to live, I understand why you don’t.
Hawk
I mean...that's just funny.
bass4funk
More importantly, the nation is lost since Biden’s been in office, bottom line.
Bob Fosse
For all the criticisms of Biden as sleepy joe, the bottom line is 45 still lost to him. That’s it.
bass4funk
Actually, I’m reading leftist complaints.
That as well.
Yes, and that is what keeps the country safe. 4 years, not a single war, these leaders are crazy, but they’re not stupid.
Yes, but others like it, not to mention the guy loves to talk to the press non-stop, no handlers or bunnies to whisk him away whisper in his ear and best of all he doesn’t shake hands to imaginary people.
But hating the right is good? Why?
All of them, take your pick.
Absolutely, that kept us safe as well as the world for 4 years, Biden is in, and the ME is on fire and it’s getting worse. Am I surprised? Nope.
Which has nothing to do with his previous accomplishments.
plasticmonkey
Our resident George Santos would say this incompetence is good. It keeps America's adversaries quaking in their boots, seeing this crazy man in charge.
Cards fan
Really? So what. Doing business in China is perfectly legal. The check in question was from 2017. In other words, from he was a private citizen. Where's corruption?
LoL
Remember folks, every accusation is admission.
plasticmonkey
Stop watching rightwing propaganda.
I thought he was the head of a "crime family".
True. His infantile egotism, inanity, pettiness, vindictiveness, and meanness are open for all to see. Some people are repulsed by this ugliness. Others are attracted by it because they hate "the left" so baaaaaad.
Example?
OK. You're on record. You think Trump is crazy. You want a crazy man to be leader of the free world.
According to Trump. He's a blowhard.
Blacklabel
Two “loans” now from CCP business deals.
240,000 dollars in total.
What else will be found? Biden crime family corruption is rampant.
Cards fan
Oh, we've on from the check from his brother for a personal loan repayment. The new scandal is "a check to Biden from Chinese sourced money." Hilarious. Okay, we believe you. :)
lincolnman
Biden may be old, but he ain't as demented and senile as the guy that has said these gems recently....
"You have to have an ID to buy bread"....
"I beat Obama in 2016"....
"A very big hello to a place where we've done very well: Sioux Falls. Thank you very much, Sioux Falls," "It's great to be in Sioux Falls" (it was Sioux City)...
At a rally in New Hampshire earlier this month, he incorrectly said Viktor Orbán is the "leader of Turkey," when Orbán is actually the prime minister of Hungary.
At his rally on Sunday, he made a similar mistake when he claimed both Ukraine and Russia bordered Hungary.
It's clear Powell, Cheseboro, Ellis, and Meadows flipping have him scared and rattled...
John-San
Trump speaks from his wallet. not his heart. And if you are going use a body part to describe where trump speaks from it definitely not his heart.
bass4funk
He speaks from his heart and unlike Biden and Obama the guy doesn’t need a teleprompter, they tried that before and the guy was horrible.
Dems act as if Trump is still defacto-President, that’s why they just can’t stop going after this guy, they’re willing to burn the country down than to allow voters to have the choice and exercise their constitutional right and vote on the President of their choice.
Thank God he can still run though regardless.
True, that’s why our adversaries fear him, they think he’s crazy which he is and that’s a good thing geopolitically.
On the contrary, the people that have been unsuccessfully trying to pin whatever they can on this guy are the the unintelligent ones, 8 years and millions of US taxpayer wasted to try and nail this guy in vain.
He has over 280 accomplishments.
Yrral
Biden or Trump might not be the nominee
bass4funk
Better to stay with a man that’s senile and flubs daily and his cognitive abilities decrease every time we see him, so bad that his handlers have to guide and dictate to him what to say, how to say it. So in other words, he’s just the mouthpiece vehicle and the people behind him are calling the shots. No wonder his numbers as well as this administration continues to sink faster than the Titanic and these people expect our adversaries to fear this guy???? Not even in the slightest.
You don’t, that’s ok, but millions do.
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2022-01-21/why-is-joe-biden-so-unpopular
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-approval-rating-floundering-2024-election-1839889
We are talking about Joe Biden now, that’s 5 Pinocchio’s.
plasticmonkey
Another MAGA dimwit.
Trump looks especially buff when he dons his skintight American flag 'n' eagle tee.
dagon
Sensible chuckle.
Age can be a factor,
Bernie Sanders is smarter than both of them combined at his advanced age, and draft AOC for 2024.
PTownsend
How nice to think either party could back a person acceptable to all USAmericans, a candidate younger than both Biden and Trump.
One of the most worrying things to me about the clearly emotionally/mentally declining Trump (see his daily tantrums), who claims to be running for office, is that the only things I've heard him say he'll do if elected is take revenge against those upholding the Constitution and not fully backing him and his anti-American MAGA movement. he also has said (I know, you can't believe a single word he says) that he'd appease Putin/Xi and other despots, by not. challenging them.
Also recall Trump has said he wants generals like Hitler had, that is generals that would obey him and not follow the US Constitution; recall Trump wanted Black Lives Movement protesters shot, but General Milley told him no he'd follow the Consitution.
Another feather in Biden's cap is he is not into getting dressed up in cosplay outfits to sell NFTs, and Biden does not beg people to pay for his legal expenses.
2020hindsights
Trump looks way more flaky when he is speaking - he keeps thinking the Obama is president, etc.
And then there is the four indictments. There is no way he doesn't get fallout from that.
But the main reason Trump is by far the worst candidate is that he is a narcissistic, self-serving, unintelligent, useless, fascist who achieved nothing in his first term.
plasticmonkey
Simple choice: don’t vote for the inept narcissistic con man crook who led an insurrection against the United States.
I don’t give a rats if Biden appears old. He’s competent, compassionate, thoughtful, and honors the Constitution.