Vowing support, allies believe Ukraine can retake land

Let me just "adjust" the headline a little:

"Vowing support, allies know Ukraine will retake occupied land"

Ukraine prevails!

Moscow reacted with anger to the latest gathering in Ramstein, with the Russian foreign ministry saying the allies' action for Ukraine "confirms their direct involvement in the conflict and participation in the planning of military operations".

...So what is your point? Funny little man...

It against the law for US military to engage in political propaganda

I'm old enough to remember when the U.S. military predicted success in winning the Vietnam War!!

They have, they can, and they will.

This mess began in 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea. America and everyone else sat an their hands and allowed it to happen, even though it was said that the Crimean annexation was the first step to an invasion of Ukraine.

Even with this knowledge hanging in the background, Germany and others began increasing Russian gas imports while shutting down domestic energy production. Donald Trump, of all people, told Germany in a UN address in 2018 that increasing dependence on Russian energy would give Russia a strategic advantage over the German economy. The German delegation laughed in Trump’s face (they aren’t laughing now).

Then we had the calamitous withdrawal from Afghanistan which showed America’s military leadership in disarray, and which many said would embolden China and Russia. General Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, said Russia would take Ukraine in 72 hours. Why does this man still have a job?

Lastly, we had an economic and policy shakeup in America. Domestic energy production was decreased, the Biden administration authorized a 100-fold increase in the importation of Russian oil. America then added 40% to its money supply, and with oil and gas priced in dollars, Russia was given great leverage over worldwide energy markets.

Our own leaders are as culpable as Russia in the invasion of Ukraine. They gave Putin the hand which tempted him to bet the farm. And of course Putin did so.

Sang,if Russia destroyed the Central Bank of Ukraine,their abilities to receive or print money ,they could not receive one American cent anymore or pay their troops

None of those in the know in the "allies" believe any of this drivel.

It is all one big grift, to pour more money into the Ukraine grifting machine...

The billions being funneled into Ukraine come out the back end to benefit:

-- Corrupt Ukrainian politicians like Zelensky.

-- Corrupt Western politicians like Biden, Romney, Pelosi, Graham, McConnell, etc.

-- The corrupt deep state, operatives in the CIA/NSA/DIA, etc.

-- The defense suppliers.

And they use their ignorant propagandists in the media to cover for their grift!!

I'm old enough to remember when the U.S. military predicted success in winning the Vietnam War!!

Really? I'm old enough to remember after the Tet attacks in early 1968, a rapidly growing number of Americans in the government and military started saying the Vietnam war was unwinnable. There was intense hand-wringing from that point on, in stark contrast to the situation now in Ukraine. Your memory doesn't seem to be serving you very well.

They will have their much awaited "push", you will read about a great success but the reality, as the Pentagon knows is that this will be short lived and soon retaken. Ukraine is simply outgunned and isn't going to get the goods to make a difference. Russia can continue this level of war for many years. We know the end result all that matters now is how many more Ukrainians and Russians are going to die or get injured?

There was intense hand-wringing from that point on, in stark contrast to the situation now in Ukraine. Your memory doesn't seem to be serving you very well.

Silly man, you make my point.

The difference between then and now is that the famed "anti-war advocates" who dedicated themselves to questioning the war and the military propaganda are now....

In league with the military propagandists now, having sold their souls and their values for their 30 pieces of silver!

The underlying point is this: the military propagandists do what they do.

The difference between Vietnam and now is that the propagandists (aka, the "journalists") in the media are now nothing more than mouthpieces for the establishment military propagandists,.

Funny how things change.

But the truth is the truth!!

The price of losing a war of aggression is often to lose territory, as did the Nazis, and so after all the Ukrainians have suffered, they naturally want some payback from the Russians, like driving a stake through the criminal heart of the Kremlin in Crimea, for starters.

There seems to be a bit of cognitive dissonance between what has been reported in the 'secret papers' whose authenticity has been confirmed by the predatory arrest of the supposed 'leaker' suggesting that the Ukrainazovs have an ant's chance on a freeway of winning against Russia once Russia secures Eastern Ukraine which, even under Russian suzerainty, will certainly remain 'Ukraine', compared with this report which not only contributes to the growing lack of credibility of Western (here, oriented) media but is exemplary of it. "Success in Vietnam", "Success in Iraq", 'success' in all of the places that U.S. interference has turned into hell on earth for the people. Anything to try to hide the desperation of a failing Empire...

"JeffLeeToday 08:05 am JST

I'm old enough to remember when the U.S. military predicted success in winning the Vietnam War!!

Really? I'm old enough to remember after the Tet attacks in early 1968, a rapidly growing number of Americans in the government and military started saying the Vietnam war was unwinnable. There was intense hand-wringing from that point on, in stark contrast to the situation now in Ukraine. Your memory doesn't seem to be serving you very well."

I'm old enough to remember 50,000 FIFTY THOUSAND DEAD YOUNG AMERICANS and 250,000 permanently mentally and physically disabled and an untold number of suicides of conscience... FOR NOTHING. Just like this.

The “land” is now part of Russian Federation through democracy. That would legally make Ukraine and NATO invaders and liable for prosecution at the ICC.

It won't take much to end the land bridge and that would get Ukraine to an acceptable ceasefire line I think.

The “land” is now part of Russian Federation through democracy. That would legally make Ukraine and NATO invaders and liable for prosecution at the ICC.

1) Russia isn't a member of the ICC

2) Russia demonstrates contempt for the ICC

3) There is no question the areas Russia has stolen belong to Ukraine: they were acknowledged by 100% of countries as Ukraine in 2013.

The “land” is now part of Russian Federation through democracy.

And furthermore, perhaps Russia needs to have some referendums forced on it to make sure everyone there wants to part of a horde state. Like you said, it is democracy at work.

And Putin will probably officially declare war on Ukraine and fly over and carpet bomb the area.

If he is still holding back after not taking any of his original objectives, he is a worse chess player than I thought. He doesn't control the air over Ukraine either, so it would be a happy time for the air defenses Ukraine does have. Also it would be a(nother) warcrime.

The “land” is now part of Russian Federation through democracy. 

What you call democracy is forbidden under the terms of the Geneva Conventions. An occupying power cannot legally annex the land of another nation during the course of a war and the staged elections held at gunpoint are not legally binding. Instead of spouting Kremlin propaganda you might want to become more familiar with the Geneva Conventions and other laws and treaties governing the conduct of war.

Desert ,how is Ukraine gonna secure Kerch bridge, without invading Russia,Crimea at Ishun is the only way they will not succeed , Bakhmut has been pacified Google Ishun Crimea

Funny little man...

I noticed this and "midget" tossed around a lot by the supporters of Ukraine.

Is being a Small male or a midget something to make fun of?

I mean my cousin is officially a "little man" (official would be midget category), does that mean he is below people like you?

If anyone here said the same about Zelensky using his short stature (Zelensky is 170cm Putin 169cm) people would have long ago complained the more offensive towards others is the regular use of midget as an insult toward Putin as if being a midget is some sort of bad thing.

Is being a Small male or a midget something to make fun of?

When the person in question acts like a small man with severe overcompensation, yeah. This whole war would not have been dreamed up by a sane person.

If anyone here said the same about Zelensky using his short stature (Zelensky is 170cm Putin 169cm) people would have long ago complained the more offensive towards others is the regular use of midget as an insult toward Putin as if being a midget is some sort of bad thing.

Zelenskyy at least been doing the honorable thing of not running away and making sure his country is throwing the terrorists out.

Looking forward to the day when Ukraine can be whole and safe again.

Desert Tortoise

Today 08:39 am JST

The “land” is now part of Russian Federation through democracy.

> What you call democracy is forbidden under the terms of the Geneva Conventions.

I love it when the west especially Americans suddenly bring up the Geneva convention.

The Americans are the experts at circumventing the convention.

Starting right after WW2, German POWs reclassified as disarmed enemy combatants, claiming not POW so not under the convention, they repeated this in Iraq the first time, the Afghanistan and again in Iraq and Syria, Guantanamo prison is a direct violation of the Geneva convention how long has that been opened!

The west openly violates the convention and international laws but makes excuses and people through MSN swallow those excuses.

Kosovo, best example, under the convention and UN rules Serbia under its constitution must approve,

The west ignored it, but When Catalonia tried the same, suddenly the conversations and UN rules applied and without Spain's consent nothing was valid.

Amazing how that just happens.

Our own leaders are as culpable as Russia in the invasion of Ukraine. They gave Putin the hand which tempted him to bet the farm. And of course Putin did so.

You sure Mr. "President Putin says it's not Russia." didn't have something to do with the lead up to this war?

I love it when the west especially Americans suddenly bring up the Geneva convention.

The Americans are the experts at circumventing the convention.

Which says absolutely nothing about whether Russia is a happy warcriming state.

Starting right after WW2, German POWs reclassified as disarmed enemy combatants, claiming not POW so not under the convention, they repeated this in Iraq the first time, the Afghanistan and again in Iraq and Syria, Guantanamo prison is a direct violation of the Geneva convention how long has that been opened!

You don't think Russia imagines a NATO officer at every hospital, apartment building and power plant it bombs? Come on.

The west openly violates the convention and international laws but makes excuses and people through MSN swallow those excuses.

Kosovo, best example, under the convention and UN rules Serbia under its constitution must approve,

The west ignored it, but When Catalonia tried the same, suddenly the conversations and UN rules applied and without Spain's consent nothing was valid.

Amazing how that just happens.

Amazing how you think non-sequiturs have any relevance. But then that is all you have now.

You don't think Russia imagines a NATO officer at every hospital, apartment building and power plant it bombs? Come on.

Guess you missed the "shock and awe" USA in Iraq!

Yes, there’s no doubt, that they can retake much land, but on the other side also Russians can take much more of it at other parts of the front. It’s just only the length of the frontline , about 1000 km or so, that makes it impossible for any side to keep it static or under full one-sided control. Maybe we will soon see a kind of saw or sawtooth style frontline, so to say, with advances in both contrary directions.

The US hasn't invaded Ukraine, that would be Russia and the Ruskies have committed very serious war crimes, murder, torture, and rape of civilians, including children, and the mass abduction of Ukrainian children to Russia leading to Putin being charged by the ICC. Some of the returned children spoke about their bad treatment in the Russian camps.

*I'm old enough to remember 50,000 FIFTY THOUSAND DEAD YOUNG AMERICANS and 250,000 permanently mentally and physically disabled and an untold number of suicides of conscience... FOR NOTHING. Just like this.*

What do you mean just like this?

Ukraine war toll:

Zero American soldiers killed.

Zero American soldiers wounded.

Doesn’t seem the same from the perspective you are describing.

Russian totals are much higher I believe, perhaps they would be the ones to be directing these Vietnam analogies too.

They do if Kosovo is acceptable then the Russian move is acceptable under the same reasoning.

NATO didn't invade Serbia proper and try to flip the government. Your defense of wars of aggression says all people need to know about your morality.

they were acknowledged by 100% of countries as Ukraine in 2013.

this is, according to your calendar, 2023. Please provide evidence of 100% of countries, obviously excluding the fact the the worlds biggest country, a member of the UNSC, is not one of the 100% of countries.

this is, according to your calendar, 2023. Please provide evidence of 100% of countries, obviously excluding the fact the the worlds biggest country, a member of the UNSC, is not one of the 100% of countries.

You make the claim that Russia did not recognize Crimea and Donbass as part of Ukraine in 2023. It is on you to prove that.

*in 2013

wallace

Today 09:39 am JST

The US hasn't invaded Ukraine,

No it invaded others along with the UK without any consequences!

that would be Russia and the Ruskies have committed very serious war crimes, murder, torture, and rape of civilians, including children, and the mass abduction of Ukrainian children to Russia leading to Putin being charged by the ICC. Some of the returned children spoke about their bad treatment in the Russian camps.

Like with the USA on Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Guantanamo prison, etc.. the ICC has zero authority, zero jurisdiction.

Neither the USA, China, Russia or UKRAINE are signatory to the Rome accord (ICC).

The sickening thing is the ICC knows this and in the corrupt manor of things actually publicly admitted to trying to find a way around its own rules and law to create "a possible hybrid court in Ukraine" so any credibility the ICC had is now gone it is officially a puppet western powers.

Like with the USA on Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Guantanamo prison, etc.. the ICC has zero authority, zero jurisdiction.

Neither the USA, China, Russia or UKRAINE are signatory to the Rome accord (ICC).

The sickening thing is the ICC knows this and in the corrupt manor of things actually publicly admitted to trying to find a way around its own rules and law to create "a possible hybrid court in Ukraine" so any credibility the ICC had is now gone it is officially a puppet western powers.

Non-sequiturs have no power here, but I can keep pointing that out for you until you balance your views.

any credibility the ICC had is now gone it is officially a puppet western powers.

Funny thing when you ignore international institutions: you end up without anyone you like on the panels.

The article is about the Russian war against Ukraine. It's not about all the previous wars in history.

The article is about the Russian war against Ukraine. It's not about all the previous wars in history.

And furthermore this war is all about the theft of territory. Say what you will about the US, we haven't run off with any territory since 1898.

OMG! After the US backed ultranationalist and Neo-nazi coup against the democratically elected government, Crimea elected democratically to rejoin Russia.

Why are you still not able to grasp that holding referendums on occupied territory is illegal according to the UN charter? No one believes the Crimeans organized themselves and donned Russian army gear to hold their referendum.

"I'm confident that they will now be in a position to be able to liberate even more land," the NATO chief said.

Anyone believe this?

im glad that Russia defeated Nazi Germany in 1945, with the loss of 26 million Russians.

You can start by acknowledging that those 26 million were not all Russians and go on to acknowledge that Russia didn't do it alone.

But there a quite a few American mercenaries or “volunteers” who have reportedly been liquified.

Not as many as the tens of thousands of Russians that have been liquified.

Why are you still not able to grasp that holding referendums on occupied territory

so there is no place for democracy? USA, a choice of red or blue, is 49% vs 51%. That means basically half disagree of their only two choices.

Crimea, and the four former parts of Ukraine, voted 94-96% to become part of Russia. If you doubt this, petition the UN to have another referendum. But that won’t happen because the UN is headquartered in NY.

just end this war and sue the arms dealers. Peace.

All of this just so the US can try to get their hands on the navy base in Sevastopol.

Eastman

UA have zero chence do defeat Russia.this is FACT.its time to wash your eyes and look into reality on the ground.

i know that your proUA propaganda must contnue byt anyway be a adult already and get FACTS straight.

I don’t think FACT means what you think it does…