Democrat Tim Walz and Republican JD Vance clashed on Tuesday at a vice presidential debate that was surprisingly civil in the final stretch of an ugly election campaign marred by inflammatory rhetoric and two assassination attempts.
The two rivals, who have forcefully attacked each other on the campaign trail, mostly struck a cordial tone, instead saving their fire for the candidates at the top of their tickets, Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris and Republican former President Donald Trump.
The most tense exchange occurred near the end of the debate, when Vance - who has said he would not have voted to certify the results of the 2020 election - avoided a question about whether he would challenge this year's vote if Trump loses.
Walz responded by blaming Trump's false claims of voter fraud for instigating the Jan 6, 2021, mob that attacked the U.S. Capitol in an unsuccessful effort to prevent the certification of Joe Biden's 2020 election.
"He is still saying he didn't lose the election," Walz said, before turning to Vance. "Did he lose the 2020 election?"
Vance again sidestepped the question, instead accusing Harris of pursuing online censorship of opposing viewpoints.
"That is a damning non-answer," Walz said.
Walz, 60, the liberal governor of Minnesota and a former high school teacher, and Vance, 40, a bestselling author and conservative firebrand U.S. senator from Ohio, have portrayed themselves as two sons of America's Midwestern heartland with deeply opposing views on the issues gripping the country.
The rivals each sought to land a lasting blow at the last remaining debate before the Nov. 5 presidential election, arguing over the Middle East crisis, immigration, taxes, abortion, climate change and the economy.
But by and large the two men appeared intent on providing a demonstration of "Midwestern nice," thanking each other even while they went after their respective running mates in the traditional attack-dog role for vice presidential candidates.
Vance questioned why Harris had not done more to address inflation, immigration and the economy while serving in Biden's administration, mounting a consistent attack line that Trump often failed to deliver while debating Harris last month.
"If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle-class problems, then she ought to do them now - not when asking for promotion, but in the job the American people gave her 3-1/2 years ago," Vance said.
Walz described Trump as an unstable leader who had prioritized billionaires and turned Vance's criticism on its head on the issue of immigration, attacking Trump for pressuring Republicans in Congress to abandon a bipartisan border security bill earlier this year.
"Most of us want to solve this," Walz said of immigration. "Donald Trump had four years to do this, and he promised you, Americans, how easy it will be."
The night's tone was a far cry from the divisiveness that has characterized the campaign. Trump has repeatedly denigrated Harris, including leveling racist and sexist attacks, and twice escaped attempts on his life. Walz had previously called his Republican opponents "weird," and Vance came under fire for past comments disparaging some Democrats as "childless cat ladies."
The debate at the CBS Broadcast Center in New York began with the escalating crisis in the Middle East, after Israel continued its assault on southern Lebanon on Tuesday and Iran mounted retaliatory missiles strikes against Israel.
Walz said Trump is too "fickle" and sympathetic to strongmen to be trusted to handle the growing conflict, while Vance asserted that Trump had made the world more secure during his term.
Asked whether he would support a preemptive strike against Iran by Israel, Vance suggested he would defer to Israel's judgment, while Walz did not directly answer the question.
Trump, watching on television, was posting furiously during the debate, sometimes twice a minute, on his Truth Social site, attacking the CBS moderators and calling Walz "pathetic" and "low IQ."
Political analysts say vice presidential debates generally do not alter the outcome of an election. That said, even a slight shift in public opinion could prove decisive with the race on a razor's edge five weeks before Election Day.
Walz was asked about a report this week that he was not in China during the violent 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown, as he had previously claimed.
"I'm a knucklehead at times," he said during a meandering answer. "I got there that summer and misspoke on this. So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protests, and from that I learned a lot about what it means to be in governance."
Vance, meanwhile, defended his running mate despite having criticized Trump ahead of the 2016 election.
"I was wrong about Donald Trump," he said. "I was wrong, first of all, because I believe some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record. But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people."
Walz also criticized Trump for his role in appointing three U.S. Supreme Court justices who joined the court's decision to eliminate a nearly half-century nationwide right to abortion, an issue that has proven damaging to Republicans.
Vance, known for his deeply conservative stance on abortion, struck a more moderate tone on Tuesday, saying he did not back a national ban despite having expressed support for Republican Senator Lindsey Graham's proposed 15-week limit in 2022. He said Trump's view is that individual states should decide whether to limit abortion.
In a social media post, Trump said he would veto a national ban, weeks after he refused to say whether he would during the presidential debate.
Despite Vance's having written "Hillbilly Elegy," a popular 2016 memoir, U.S. voters have a negative view of him, Reuters/Ipsos polling shows, with 51% of registered voters saying they view him unfavorably, compared with 39% who view him favorably. Meanwhile Walz was viewed favorably by 44% of registered voters, with 43% reporting an unfavorable view in the Sept. 20-23 poll.
Harris was widely seen as the winner of her sole debate with Trump on Sept. 10 in Philadelphia, which was far more chaotic than Tuesday's affair.
That square-off did little to change the trajectory of an extremely close election battle. While Harris has edged ahead in national polls, most surveys show voters remain fairly evenly divided in the seven states that will decide the November election.
© Thomson Reuters 2024.
128 Comments
Eastmann
2020hindsights
you are late.
Asiaman7
Vance was slick. It’s a shame he’s tied to Donald Trump, who has claimed vice presidents have “virtually no impact.” We can thus assume Vance would have no impact.
It is ironic, however, that Vance and Trump repeatedly assert that Vice President Kamala Harris has had a dramatic negative impact — when Trump, himself, continually emphasizes that vice presidents are practically inconsequential.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Vance: Something that is different between the US and Finland is we have much higher rates of drug addiction and mental illness.
Everyone Else: (What?)
Brian Trout
He should be careful. Look what happened to Mike Pence. Trump has a history of tossing people under the bus!
DaDude
"I've become friends with school shooters" -Tim Walz
DaDude
Sure a big Kamala supporter for a supposed Republican eh?
Some dude
I wonder if this will be as pointless as the other debate, which probably changed the mind of exactly nobody.
Asiaman7
This mindset is a great problem. It’s our team against yours. My guy against yours.
There are honorable representatives on both sides.
Megan Thee Stallion
"Vance: Something that is different between the US and Finland is we have much higher rates of drug addiction and mental illness. Everyone Else: (What?)"
What hard to understand about that? Need some help ?
Norm
Did he really say that? When I googled it, I could only find it in the dankest corners of X.
Is there video on YouTube yet?
TaiwanIsNotChina
The question was about gun violence. People don't become insane when they move from Finland to the US.
finally rich
2017 to 2021.
The peaceful years when the "russian collusion" was everything we had to worry about.
Bob Fosse
Vance is doing better than I expected, but he’s still losing. Walz is giving sincere real solutions, vance is rehashing the same bs non solutions.
Megan Thee Stallion
The question was about gun violence. People don't become insane when they move from Finland to the US.
But he is right, it's a fact we have much higher rates of drug use and mental illness, those are factors in this.
Megan Thee Stallion
2017 to 2021. The peaceful years when the "russian collusion" was everything we had to worry about.
Looking back ..you right. 2017-21 were more peaceful.
Yrral
MAGA the Stallion,I lived in peace all my life in America,I never was threatening by foreigner in America
Megan Thee Stallion
Still undecided who to vote for. Watching this debate will help with choices.
Blacklabel
They should gave ended this after Walz wouldn’t admit he lied about being in Tianamen Square, called himself a knucklehead and then said he is friends with school shooters.
its over. No way this Walz guy can be VP. He makes Biden look competent and mentally acute in comparison.
Cards fan
Yup! I'm all in for Harris/Walz.
Say no to elitist New York real estate developers, and weird venture capital vultures.
Blacklabel
Bernie Sanders, Dick Cheney and Taylor Swift support us! Maya Angelou!
lol
BB
I wish Tim's prep team had coached him to smile. His answers are good, but his frown and sad eyes aren't helping.
Destin Skye
finally richToday 11:27 am JST
2017 to 2021.
That's exactly what broke America. Russians in the Oval Office tending to their Employee of the Year™ Donald Trump™. It seems that Mr. Trump never met a grift he wouldn't pursue.
Cards fan
Amen brother. As a supporter of one of the stupidest, and most dishonest people to ever disgrace the whitehouse. I am outraged (outraged) that Walz may have lied. lmao
Good thing Biden isn't running. I'd take Walz all day everyday over Trump or Vance. It's over.
plasticmonkey
lol
Blacklabel
JD crushed that guy. No doubt whatsoever.
plasticmonkey
I don’t care. Neither do most Americans.
Lying about Haitians eating pets is a helluva lot more consequential.
Bad Haircut
He's rightfully worried his side is going to lose.
bass4funk
I’m sure the Dems are thinking, damn it! We should’ve picked Shapiro
bass4funk
Yeah, the China question didn’t help Walz.
lincolnman
JD giving everyone a clear understanding of what his initials stand for - "Just Dumb"....
Hey JD, do you once again want to tell us you "created" you unhinged Haitian pet eating theory?
And someone would like to have a word with you when you say "childless women are useless"...Mother Theresa...
Or how about this gem from as recent as 2020; “Trump has just so thoroughly failed to deliver on his economic populism,”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/j-d-vance-stunning-2020-164432408.html
MAGA-world is crashing and burning....and it's about time...
Megan Thee Stallion
I'd take Walz all day everyday over Trump or Vance. It's over.
Hmm...not so sure bout that yet.
dagon
Vance was well-spoken, offered almost nothing on policy, and was a stark contrast to his boss' babbling.
It's not clear what he could be offering but he could be the next MAGA leader over the Trump spawn or other MAGA stars.
Walz did not land any hits and Vance was effective at sidestepping even the points about the Jan 6 insurrection and election denial.
lincolnman
I bet a lot of Repubs are saying "we ditched Mike Pence for this Loser"....especially one watching from Mar-A-Lago...
ROFL..
Cards fan
Yes. In terms of lying JD did crush it indeed. No doubt whatsoever.
itsonlyrocknroll
Simulcast: CBS News Vice Presidential Debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Nj3qO6dzg
Scroll to around 1.58
Blacklabel
may have?
DID.
dagon
Sanders and Angelou are excellent examples of American moral fortitude .
I think most would value their endorsement over Kid Rock and Marjorie Taylor Green.
Blacklabel
”leftist projection”
what did JD lie about, specifically?
Blacklabel
not at all.
i notice none of your posts reference things said in the debate. Why?
Walz: im friends with school shooters! lol
Cards fan
Yes, and as a supporter of the biggest liar in the history of the Whitehouse, I am sure you find that contact outrageous! Give us a break.
He still denies Trump lost the 2020 elections. That right there is disqualifying. You have to be a real big loser to continue denying he lost despite even now.
Also his claims about the best way to fight carbon emissions is to move factories back here is a lie.
Claiming he and Trump want cleaner, safer water/environment is also a lie. They'll continue to push deregulation that will worsen pollution.
He also lied about Walz signing an abortion bill that prevents doctors from help fetuses that have survived an abortion attempt.
He also lied about never supporting a national abortion ban.Need any more examples of the lies told by the weird vulture capitalist?
Blacklabel
None of those are “lies”
you just disagree with what he said as policy or as his own opinion.
Walz lied (he wasn’t in China, he didn’t deploy to the war) and then tried to talk around it without just admitting he lied.
Zaphod
Watched it now. Walz cited his memorized talking points better than his running mate, and Vance did pretty well against the opposing trio of Walz plus moderators.
Jimizo
Vance pretty sharp but evasive and weird.
Walz a bit clumsy. Not comfortable in this setting.
lincolnman
New record set tonight - number of panic phone calls to Nikki Haley and Mike Pence...
Uh, you missed the Pet eating and childless women's questions? Didn't pay much attention did you...
He said he'd become friends with the parents of Sandy Hook victims...get over it...
Blacklabel
it would be a lie if he said he thinks Trump lost when he doesn’t think so.
he truthfully admitted what he thinks rather than lie about it.
40% of Americans also feel the same way, by the way.
The Ripper!
I was impressed with Walz.
He would make a good junior high school teacher.
Vance sounded like a college professor.
bass4funk
Very true
Cards fan
Yes, and it's delusional to still believe Trump lost. Just get over it already, it's so weak.
Great point. If a lot of people believe something that's not true, is true, it makes it true. Smart one.
Blacklabel
There were no questions about those. thanks for commenting while not watching.
Blacklabel
no, he actually said he is friends with school shooters.
bass4funk
They tried very hard. Nora is a....anyway, Vance managed to take on all 3 of these people as if it was nothing.
Jimizo
You must have attended a crappy college if you think that.
He sounds and looks like a creepy schoolteacher the girls keep distance from.
Weird.
Ken
He literally just answered your question, it had nothing to do with policy so why are you changing the subjest and hiding away from a question you asked?
Blacklabel
bwahahaha
zero credibility for those who deny Walz said this.
bass4funk
Really? What’s a good college supposedly?
Walz?
Well….
The Ripper!
Oh yeah? Vance went to Yale. Do you know the status of Yale in the US?
And how about Walz calling himself a knucklehead?!?!
It's agreed!
Jind
After all the heat was put on Vance on sub-selecting words, I wanted to watch how Vance performed.
He was humble and genuine and clearly won the debate.
Now I can see why Trump picked him as his running mate.
I am an Independant.
NOMINATION
Need those here to 100% prove that Amber Thurman died from being rejected to have an abortion and not from a reaction from the "100% safe and effective" abortion pills. Thanks!
TaiwanIsNotChina
Locking up the guns is easier than locking up the young men.
The Ripper!
It might have been interesting to hear your comments if you had actually seen the debate and understood the issues facing the American people.
Cards fan
No, those are all lies JD Vance told.
You can't just wave it off with a summary, "None of that list of things you said are lies, you just disagree. duh-hur"
The truth is JD Vance did support a national abortion ban.
NOMINATION
He's that weird uncle that you roll your eyes to when telling his life stories at Thanksgiving dinner.
Ken
wow y'all really cling so hard to word mistakes but forget Trump and his team say something controversial every time he opens his mouth
Jimizo
Yes.
He wasn’t a professor there.
Bush 2 went to Yale. Did the professors at your college sound like him?
Walz weird? No.
Vance in the weird one. No contest there.
Creepy.
garypen
No clear winner, unfortunately. Maybe Walz by a hair. But, it isn't gonna change any minds.
They need to keep campaigning and getting people to register and vote. Good media ads for the olds, and strong SNS presence for the yutes, will really help.
The Ripper!
So was Walz in China or Hong Kong during the Tianamen Square protest?
He did call himself a knucklehead.
Blacklabel
how is it a “lie” and you a “liar” when you honestly answer what you think?
but it is a lie when you claim you were in China when you were really in Nebraska.
itsonlyrocknroll
Not the sharpest tools in the shed, Walz wouldn't know the truth if its jump out the toilet and bit on the bum Vance at least is polite, intelligent, congenial, combative.
Walz does come over like a hoover salesman.
Throws rubbish all over your best carpet then the product fails to clean it up.
Jimizo
Sounds about right.
Maybe the advantage is with Harris/Walz as Trump is old and in severe mental decline.
Vance didn’t sound like a President.
Too weird and robotic.
bass4funk
Only if you believe in fantasy tales
Not what most of the headlines are saying
Then you didn't listen closely enough
Not even close
The Ripper!
Was in Walz in China during the Tiananmen Square protests?
Easy answer-No.
Are Americans better off now than they were 4 years ago?
Easy answer--No.
Blacklabel
3 separate Japanese friends/ex colleagues have texted me unsolicited.
common comment?
wow that old guy is a liar and what’s up with his strange faces?
two said he lied about being in China. Was clear to them.
one said he lied about that too and also when he said less illegals coming in now than before.
Even Japanese not involved at all with the US know better.
Ken
If that is a lie it's his one lie compared to Trumps thousands of lies, if you believe everything Trump says out his mouth then you really need to understand how many contradictions revolve around that man. For those who don't know conmen are good at selling bs and telling you what you want to hear
Cards fan
uh-huh, I believe you. Sure. Thanks for the laugh.
ok1517
Vance, what a deranged loser!
Just some facts:
Vance LIED about Trump's position on ACA
Vance LIED about calling for a National Abortion Ban
Vance LIED about immigration
Vance LIED about Springfield
Vance LIED about Trump's role on J6
Vance LIED by not admitting Biden won
He's just not any better than his master!
Blacklabel
I really feel the moderators were shocked when they gave him a chance to say the China trip accusation was a lie. They expected he would indignantly say “that’s not true! trump lies!”
bit he didn’t and started talking about growing up as a middle class kid riding bikes until the street lights came on and basketball and football and dancers and I’m a knucklehead ya know….
the answer he needed if he is an actual honest person: “no, I was not in China at that time and I apologize for my misleading and/or false statement”
Ken
@b4f you support project 2025, your stance on everything would be different if you did not. Anyone who uses the phrase "illegals" supports Project 2025
NOMINATION
Walz weird? Yes. Creepier than tampons in boys' restrooms.
Blacklabel
Walz also lied about his driving 600 miles to get an abortion story.
Ken
Does your back hurt from D riding Walz that much?
funkymofo
Cool story bro- unsubstantiated alleged conversations with irrelevant people- Well, I’m certainly convinced lol
NOMINATION
I am an American voter in here "chatting" about U.S. politics with many non-Americans. So I guess that makes half the comments here irrelevant right?
Blacklabel
that service? What service?
ok cool bio, Kamala. So why did you lie about being in China? (The question)
Blacklabel
someone is unfamiliar with usage of expressions and their meaning in English.
that term doesn’t mean what you seem to think it does. lol
Norm
That 40% is popularly known as the kool-aid goon squad. Believing something and it actually being true are two different things.
Cards fan
Dur-hur, maybe the service he mentioned immediately after that line:
Yeah. What service? I had noooo idea he was in the National Guard, huh.
Who?
wallace
NOMINATION
No comment on JT is irrelevant and all carry equal weight. This is Japan, not the US.
Do you think only Americans should comment on American topics? Only Japanese on Japanese articles.
NOMINATION
Yep, the only thing that matters is what happened on one day 3 1/2 years not anything since that time.
Blacklabel
Wow look at this chart:
75% picked Walz to win. Then the debate actually started and……lol
Kumagaijin
Right, Shapiro's position on Israel would be even further to the right of Vance. Shapiro would probably be promising American boots on the ground in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria (not that they aren't already) and a economic bailout package for Israel which includes $50k USD for every Israeli living in the occupied West Bank. Free Health Care for all Israelis too! Oh wait, they already have that.
NOMINATION
Perhaps go to the person that I quoted and say the same to them. They said that these 3 Japanese individuals opinions were irrelevant. You won't though. Don't discount a Japanese person's opinion like this Wallace.
Ken
How so? You can't keep the mans name out of your mouth, you're even stalking him online. If you're obsessed with him just say so lol
Cards fan
Back at you.
Blacklabel
Yeah people close a thought by saying I’m “proud of that service” all the time when they have yet to mention anything that is…service.
that service world have to refer back to something said earlier, not said later.
left will try to defend ANYthing. Just give up and admit he’s wrong.
DudeDeuce
So Japanese people have a right to their opinion too. So how about go and say the same to Funkymojo?
Some dude
left will try to defend ANYthing.
Hello, fire service? The world is on fire from the irony of the above remark, please come quickly.
Ken
And Repubs live in an alternate reality where Trump is a god of worship to them
Cards fan
Yeah, it was awkward wording, but obviously what he meant.
And Trump cultists will pick the most obscure drivel to whine about.
Just give it up already and find something else to whine about.
Blacklabel
Yep I mentioned a Japanese perspective on what happened that was given to me and you see the hateful response. Lol
All good here, gonna save some good stuff got to save some for the inevitable “Walz clearly won despite several lies and missteps” leftist media that be posted here tomorrow.
bass4funk
Libs love talking points, that's just a fact
Exactly, Walz with the help of the moderators couldn't pull him down
I disagree.
Blacklabel
Cause what you describe here is not what that terms MEANS.
DudeDeuce
Please tell me what Cards we are talkin about here because none of them are relevant enough to make opinions lol
funkymofo
You should direct that query to blacklabel and bass etc. They love gatekeeping who can comment and who can’t. Look at their post histories. I said they are irrelevant because there is no proof the conversations ever took place and they are not here to speak for themselves.
bass4funk
I really don't care on this site if people from across the pond want to opine, they can, it's their right, but at the end of the day, it's just noise, they can't vote, they can't change or influence our election one way or another, so if this serves at blowing steam, not even sure why outsiders need to do this, but whatever. So other than this being a chat, Europeans have no sway. So their opinions are just that, opinions and nothing more.
Underworld
Blacklabel
No, he didn't. It's not a lie.
DudeDeuce
Go outside and look around you bro, all Japanese people. I hope you, Wallace, some dude and Cards fan will allow them to be able to speak their opinion and listen when they speak.
RichardPearce
Unfortunately, or not, depending on how you look at it, which one 'supports Israel the most' is likely to be a moot point sooner than election day.
Thanks to members of the Israeli regime's militants obeying Netanyahu's orders and mass murdering 'Israeli civilians' almost a year ago, no one is acting as a restraining influence on him, so he's not going to accept Iran's measured, restrained response as the warning that he's reached the end of their patience and either stops, or they'll stop him, and escalate, so Iran will switch from warnings to war.
And I don't see any of the American 'leaders' not jumping in.
Now, the US and it's followers (including Japan) might win a slugfest with Iran, but only if it disengages from Russia, is willing to be driven out of Latin America and Africa by Latin Americans and Africans, and get locked out of Asia. But that's just not in America's character, and by trying to keep it all, it's going to lose everywhere.
Bob Fosse
If you think it’s inappropriate to say something you probably shouldn’t say it.
Unless you’re a ‘free speech absolutist’. That’s what you claim to be right?
itsonlyrocknroll
Come on, Tim Walz is a "shifty slippery Susan" ,
I think Walz believes, convinced himself, he is that guy who stood in front of the tanks 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.
Walz insists he misspoke......
DudeDeuce
Thanks for proving that all of this is a popularity contest for upvotes. Too bad the livelihood of American people are treated this way.
kohakuebisu
Both sides lie, so you'll not inspire any voters by pointing the finger at the other side and describing their lies.
This will all come down to what happens in the swing states. Harris has echoes of the Hillary Clinton 2016 campaign, i.e., a "of course she's going to win" smugness, but I would not be so sure. Fivethirtyeight says
There will be more secret Republicans than Democrats, how many I can't say, but they will be out there. People who secretly want tax cuts or secretly don't want a woman.
funkymofo
That doesn't address or refute anything I wrote.
wallace
bass4funk
Millions of Europeans can vote. Like you, they have dual nationality.
DudeDeuce
The good ol "You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song" argument. NasJay-Z
itsonlyrocknroll
Walz and Vance debate is much easier on the eye and ear.
A draw?
I would like to be so.
bass4funk
I'm not talking about them, I was talking on this site.
Some dude
man that guy just lied and lied. I see now why they abandoned the fact checks, except for JD.
Don't like it when the republican playbook is used against you?
Ken
Hilarious, dude doesn't understand basic slang but thinks I'm Japanese. You're a funny guy BLabel very funny
Underworld
itsonlyrocknroll
JD Vance was smoother, but more lies or no answers to the question. Walz had more substance.
rcch
The real mistaken VP pick revealed himself on Tuesday night—and he wasn’t the man from Ohio.
Well done, JD Vance—your brilliant performance is just another reminder that Harris/Walz is the worst presidential ticket in US history.
dagon
Trump is a typical oligarch whose primary aim is shifting the tax burden form rentiers like him into the middle class.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-calls-tax-avoidance-smart-most-americans-call-it-unpatriotic-reuter-idUSKCN1242FV/
Facts real as a heart attack
wallace
bass4funk
Millions of Europeans can vote. Like you, they have dual nationality.
On this site, there are also European Americans.
Some dude
JD Vance was smoother, but more lies or no answers to the question. Walz had more substance.
That would matter if substance mattered to the average voter. Sadly, the average voter is a moron and easily swayed, as evidenced by the allegedly still-close polls in what should by rights be a landslide democrat victory.
burgers and beers
No wonder the other threads are deserted , all the D.C. sponsored posters are on here. This seems like where the fun is.
"50 of my Japanese friends just texted me they can't believe how JD Vance blew the debate."
Yeah, sure they did. 50. ROFL.
Christopher
Vance clearly was the dominate politician in this debate. Waltz looked unsure on his feet. And uncomfortable. For the record on Waltz and his military career. He has shown to have lied about his rank and was set to deploy to the Middle East and went over his commands heads to get out of duty. We have have a word for that. Military members will know that word. Especially combat veterans. Waltz comes off slimy. Untrustworthy and a yes man. Waltz is seeming the guy willing to take short cuts and has very close ties to China are very worrisome. He is not doing a very good job as well in current office. I have been surprised Dems wanted this guy on the ticket. They had many better options.
itsonlyrocknroll
Underworld I enjoyed this debate.
Both were respectful towards each other.
Both debated the subject/policies not each other.
In fact both displayed the decorum missing from any other debate.
bass4funk
Who? 1-2? Definitely not the majority of them, because they admitted that they aren’t
Some dude
Vance clearly was the dominate politician in this debate.
dominant.
Waltz looked unsure on his feet.
Walz
And uncomfortable. For the record on Waltz and his military career.
Walz
He has shown to have lied about his rank and was set to deploy to the Middle East and went over his commands heads to get out of duty.
commander's
We have have a word for that. Military members will know that word. Especially combat veterans. Waltz comes off slimy.
Walz
Hard to take seriously the illiterate wittering of someone who can't even spell the name (although it's easily found out through a Google search) of the person he's attacking.