War sanctions against Russia highlight growing divisions among G20 countries

The Russians will easily outlast the West.

I'm sure the Russian people are happy lining up for borscht and cabbage in abject poverty, so their elite rich leader an lead a war of attrition against a sovereign nation.

All for the motherland, right?

unfortunately that is what Putin is banking on- western rifts that occur from the fallout of the war.

But ask yourself this- what's the alternative? That we back off and let Putin win? What message does that send to China and other dictatorships? If the west doesn't stand strong and see this through we are going to experience a dystopian future where dictators will run amok. We cannot have the law of the jungle govern the international rules based order.

But ask yourself this- what's the alternative? That we back off and let Putin win? What message does that send to China and other dictatorships? If the west doesn't stand strong and see this through we are going to experience a dystopian future where dictators will run amok.

And yet, many posters her are strongly pushing for pandering to Putin. I suspect they are particularly weak of character. But it's only a suspicion based on my past experiences in life.

And yet, many posters her are strongly pushing for pandering to Putin. I suspect they are particularly weak of character. But it's only a suspicion based on my past experiences in life.

I concur my friend.

Who cares about the minutia of Biden foreign policy, ie oil price cap, sanctions, forex, swift etc. What matters is the effectiveness and result.

Biden was in charge of Ukraine portfolio under Obama, Ukraine lost Crimea. Currently, Ukraine is being pounded proper by the Russian. Is there a pattern here? Sure Putin = evil, but his evil acts are much more brazen under Biden.

Putin = evil, but his evil acts are much more brazen under Biden.

Sure, because with Trump he had an inside ally who respected his authority, whereas Biden doesn't pander to him.

Uh oh.

other countries aren’t buying into Biden’s sanctions anymore.

beginning of the end.

other countries aren’t buying into Biden’s sanctions anymore.

Why? Who has changed their stance?

Russia should be punished for this murdering it’s been committing against what was once a peaceful neighbor.

The oil price cap which the G7 came up with is such a failure that they have not even bothered to renew it.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/g7-shelves-regular-russian-oil-cap-reviews-prices-soar-sources-2023-09-06/

Russia is openly selling oil above the price cap, and the latest output cut by Saudi Arabia and Russia means prices will go higher.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/saudi-arabia-extends-voluntary-oil-output-cut-1-mln-bpd-end-2023-2023-09-05/

Any more bright ideas?

I think it is more like the usual countries that want to see a war between NATO and Russia are doing what they can to profit from the situation.

other countries aren’t buying into Biden’s sanctions anymore. 

beginning of the end

Sooner rather than later.

Looks like sanctions are beginning to bite.

Do you think the people of Russia, who survived 20 million casualties in WWII, famine and Socialism tyranny will cave because there's a shortage of Gucci bags and they can't login to Onlyfans?

The Russians will easily outlast the West.

This would be the same Russia whose leader is now begging North Korea for help with supplies?

Er yeah, looks like things are going great there.

The Russians will easily outlast the West.

This would be the same Russia whose leader is now begging North Korea for help with supplies?

Yeah, outlasting is something you do under siege. Russia is the aggressor, not the besieged, and therefore if they try to outlast when they are out of ammo...

Yep, division between the US and countries under its thumb on one side, and on the other side countries fed up with being bullied by the US and realizing they no longer need to put up with it.

And yet, many posters her are strongly pushing for pandering to Putin. I suspect they are particularly weak of character. But it's only a suspicion based on my past experiences in life.

Well maybe you should watch some documentaries on nuclear armageddon to bone up on your knowledge of the world.

I doubt you will find anyone here who actually likes Putin. I think the best you might get is those who view him as a necessary evil who does not work with the West to destroy Russia like Yeltsin did.

Its frankly amazing the nukes have not flown yet. Putin is in a corner, but I guess not yet enough of a trapped animal. But you keep doggedly insisting he be pushed further into the corner, and Russia and the Russian people right along with him. I don't know what dream you have about what is going to become of it, but I think you need to wake up.

Another thing you might try is backing a real animal into a corner and see what happens. Maybe something cute and cuddly like a deer or fox. That will be some life experience for you.

By the way, I cannot even remember the actual number, but its probably something like only 20 modern nukes going off and its game over....climate catastrophe....no sun for at least a decade. I think you have no clue what the war mongers are toying with. Provoking this crap to get so many innocents killed in Ukraine was bad enough, but there is yet more at stake here.

Its frankly amazing the nukes have not flown yet.

It's really not. If Putin shoots off nukes, that is the end of Russia, and end of Putin.

Mutually Assured Destruction you see.

Putin is in a corner, but I guess not yet enough of a trapped animal. But you keep doggedly insisting he be pushed further into the corner, and Russia and the Russian people right along with him.

So you counsel pandering to him? Just give him part of Ukraine? Because then he'll not decide to take over other countries?

Don't get me wrong, nuclear war scares me as much as anything on this planet. But the loss of democracy to authoritarianism scares me more.

Putin is in a corner

Russia has expanded its borders as part of its invasion of Ukraine. Hardly being backed into a corner.

Some people have 1984ed that the coup against the last democratically elected government of a united and peaceful Ukraine was an OBAMA production, not Russian.

PS, the forecast for growth in the Russian economy was recently revised UPWARD, despite the claims that the Russian economy is tanking.

700,000 Ukrainian children have been kidnapped by Russia and have disappeared there. This is a form of genocide. Disgraceful.

the forecast for growth in the Russian economy was recently revised UPWARD, despite the claims that the Russian economy is tanking.

Who revised it up, Putin?

I guess you didn't notice that the Rubble... er, the ruble, crashed harder than both the Russian moon lander and Prighzhin's plane.

PS, the forecast for growth in the Russian economy was recently revised UPWARD, despite the claims that the Russian economy is tanking.

Very interesting conspiracy you have a theory of.

I’d love for all countries to be able to just slap sanctions left and right but some don’t have the choice so easily. America can sanction anyone just fine since it’s at the top of the economic ladder but those in the middle or bottom have to weigh the cheap Russian goods or vastly more expensive alternatives.

I’d love for all countries to be able to just slap sanctions left and right but some don’t have the choice so easily. America can sanction anyone just fine since it’s at the top of the economic ladder but those in the middle or bottom have to weigh the cheap Russian goods or vastly more expensive alternatives.

That they do. There are consequences either way. Trade with America, pay more, get quality, but anger Russia. Trade with Russia, and you don't get to have quality anymore. Or anything else from America or America's allies.

So you counsel pandering to him? Just give him part of Ukraine? Because then he'll not decide to take over other countries?

The hell is wrong with you? I clearly stated that the problem was the potential for nuclear war, and said nothing about taking over other countries. Dammit. You wanna talk? Stand up and talk like a reasonable human.

I think you have no clue how close we were to armageddon duing the Cuban Missile Crisis. Look up Vasili Arkhipov. We got lucky. Our luck is going to run out eventually.

And NO, I don't want to give HIM anything. The people of Crimea and the far east of Ukraine ARE Russian. They and their lands should be part of Russia. Its NOT a lot of territory. It should have been done LONG ago. And I am not even talking entire oblasts here. Maybe a third of Luhansk and a third of Donetsk. Well it will take more now since Russia has control of near four oblasts now. It certainly wasn't what I wanted, but the more the artillery fires, the more innocents die. It makes me sick. This never had to happen but for U.S. gov. meddling, greed and instigation.

Imagine if they had actually been allowed - there would be no opposition to Putin's attempts to expand his borders towards NATO territories with his invasion of Ukraine. Shudder. We should all be thankful that NATO refused Russia.

You talk and talk and you don't even know how NATO works. Geezus.