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Warren escalates Facebook fight with ad targeting Zuckerberg

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Zuckerberg is getting it from both sides. Warren from the Left and then there is the whistleblower leak of him telling his Washington Post lackeys to pump out more anti-Trump propaganda. Couldn’t happen to a better guy.

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So the Democrats were freaking out about the Russians using Facebook to get Trump elected and Warren thinks its a good idea to make an enemy of the guy who actually owns Facebook?

I don't think Warren thought this strategy all the way through...

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Warren isn't wrong, but her policies are her own worst enemy towards being elected.

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I have a plan for that! Yeah if the plan is to not get elected. Facebook is and always has been supportive of liberal agenda.

warren needs to realize the “Facebook got trump elected” is just a narrative of the failed muh Russia time. I think she forgot it isn’t actually true.

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Yeah because it makes sense for Warren to take direction from people who support Trump. By definition that’s stupidity.

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warren needs to realize the “Facebook got trump elected” is just a narrative of the failed muh Russia time. I think she forgot it isn’t actually true.

Never mind what Mueller's investigation and our intelligence agencies uncovered. We all know that Donny and the Trumpophiles are stable geniuses with great and unmatched wisdom (until you fact-check them).

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@blacklabe“Facebook got trump elected”

I haven't read that anywhere. Could you provide a cite? Of course I'm not questioning you, but often partisan extremists using 'media' to spread disinformation and alt facts.

failed muh Russia time.

Failed? According to the Kremlin and Trump's hardest core supporters Russians didn't meddle in US elections to help Trump. And still are meddling. US and 'western' nation's intelligence agencies say otherwise.

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Blocking or suspending accounts for speech can prompt complaints of political bias or censorship, but a hands-off approach may be viewed as a free pass to politicians like Trump.

God-forbid. Let's stop this free speech nonsense now and allow our patriotic secret services to choose our leaders!

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Regardless of what you think of Warren or Trump's politics, Facebook is evil. The people running it know how it can be abused and are happy to openly sell that ability to anyone who wants it.

It may come across as your mates' news and ads based on tracking cookies, but its much deeper than that.

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Why would Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren want to break up one of USA most profitable and innovative tech companies?.

Bin the political ideology, negotiate a favourable tax compromise. Not only with Facebook but Google and Amazon.

And people nothing is for free, These companies thrive on your data, walk away, I never joined/registered for Facebook or Twitter.

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There’s a lot of complaining about Facebook here. Facebook is evil. Facebook interferes with elections. Facebook doesn’t respect your privacy. there’s a lot of talk, but what actual solutions do people suggest?

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The only thing I'd miss from FB would be contact with family and friends across the world.

I do feel sympathy for moderators there, though. The shocking and vile stuff they have to put up with is soul-destroying.

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Toasted Heretic, my friend, may I suggest posting a hand write letter

It is worth the wait. I love writing and I also swoon at opening the occasional letter too, mostly from UK Grand Parents . I would like to boast writing more hand written that emails but alas that would be wishful thinking

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https://www.wired.com/2016/11/facebook-won-trump-election-not-just-fake-news/

Here's How Facebook actually won Trump the Presidency

these articles were all written to support but muh Russia. But now the narrative has changed again.

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I’m perfectly happy if Warren wants to fight Facebook google and Wall Street. Cause they are all on your side and it’s self inflicted wounds.

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Facebook is and always has been supportive of liberal agenda.

As someone whose politics are a mixed bag of conservatism and liberalism, and as someone who has posted on both conservative leaning and liberal leaning sites, I suggest that you may have what I call "Conservative Victim Complex". EVERYBODY that has anything real to say gets censored on Facebook. I probably got censored more than anyone because I don't do or pander to the stupid happy delusions so many people in this world are prone to. People act like they want the truth but as soon as their stupid delusion bubble gets burst they get mad.

Anyway, it should be illegal for these companies to delete any content from their servers. They should have the power to flag the content and that's it. Then you can choose to filter out that flagged content (blue pill) or view it (red pill). I am a red pill type of guy.

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Facebook is a political tool! Should have been banned worldwide!

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In fact I think Facebook only cares about Facebook. They will do or say whatever it takes to keep hit and post counts up. They talk out both sides of their mouth to try and please as many people as they can. They want the exact amount of controversy to keep the conversation going while not breaching the point that people quit or illegal threats of harm flood in. They don't want legal trouble. They don't especially want this political candidate or the other one. What they want are clicks.

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Facebook is a choice, one either joins/registers or not, banning is not the answer just leave, walk away

The alternative is that you allow governments to make that choice for you. If you have a problem with data collection get a back bone and walk away. Stop whining.

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Here's How Facebook actually won Trump the Presidency

Yeah! Never mind the huge body of evidence that demonstrates otherwise.

these articles were all written to support but muh Russia. But now the narrative has changed again.

No. The truth and facts don't change. Why is that so difficult for Trumpophiles to understand and accept?

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I don't think Warren thought this strategy all the way through...

Aside from rolling over money from her senate campaign to her presidential one, Warren doesn't seem to have thought any of her policy stances or strategies through.

This is the same person who thought it would be a good idea to release her DNA results to...prove exactly what people were criticizing her of. I mean, wow.

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If you have a problem with data collection get a back bone and walk away.

I think you don't understand basic psychology. You are basically asking people to embrace being a hermit. Facebook is not the only site collecting data and those that aren't probably aren't being used by your friends.

And trying to get your friends to switch platforms is nigh impossible. You either follow along or sit alone by the roadside.

Facebook is operating in the public domain and needs to be responsible and held responsible by weight of law, just like all other entities going or gone socially irresponsible. This is a job for the government, just as busting up monopolies in the past was. This is exactly the reason why we even have governments.

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So Facebook ads by russians didn’t help Trump win? You guys really need to make up your minds. then why is Warren mad at them?

Yeah! Never mind the huge body of evidence that demonstrates otherwise.

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Society has rules. You are not allowed to sell wondercures for uncurable diseases, even though that would make lots of money. People who would do that are evil.

Facebook could simply restrict itself to using posts by friends and family to get you to read conventional advertising. However, it has not chosen to do so. Instead it gives us "Win prizes in this free soccer prediction contest" or "look at this example of animal cruelty", which are actually both gateways into a data mining operation that will hit you with expertly designed and targeted political propaganda. This is exactly what the Vote Leave campaign did on Facebook before the Brexit referendum. Facebook are not selling you to an advertiser as a consumer, they are selling you as a voter, supposedly an actor of free will, to be manipulated using the huge amount of information it has on you, provided by yourself and every friend you have on there. I think making money in this way is evil.

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So Facebook ads by russians didn’thelp Trump win? You guys really need to make up your minds. then why is Warren mad at them?

They did. The article you linked was about Donny's fundraising through Facebook.

You're moving the goalposts so you can be outraged.

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The article was also about Donny's ads on Facebook.

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itsonlyrocknroll one point I guess I should have made clearer is that social ostracization is the first and greatest concern to typical human decision making in a society where food, water and shelter are easy to come by. And when most people declare they refuse to use Facebook or some other thing literally everyone else in the group is using, they have just taken several jumps into the omega realm. You will get odd looks and you may as well be a luddite. If you want to have friends you best bet at that point might be to sell all your belongings and join the Amish. I exaggerate a bit but its close to that serious. The human need for social belonging and the ease with which they can lose it cannot be understated. Its the core reason people don't commit crimes for example far and above the simple fear of formal punishment. Losing friends and/or spouses is huge.

Besides which, when all social information in your circles is funneled through Facebook or another site you refuse to use, how do you get your information? Try and turn one of your friends into your personal assistant who calls you with every grain of information? That is a good way to lose a friend as well.

Are you suggesting that Facebook is the only way you can converse?

If all your friends are conversing via Facebook or other but you abstain, you will become the fifth wheel. And then you become an outcast. Its not a joke and its not even mysterious.

Look, social media sites are here to stay. They are powerful, ubiquitous and they need to made to be socially responsible.

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Warren just scored a point with me. But she's gonna have to score a lot more points to get me to vote for her over Trump.

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They're ... hooking us and our children on addictive, useless services. 

I'm pretty certain that I have developed some kind of immunity to this, then.

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Yeah because it makes sense for Warren to take direction from people who support Trump. By definition that’s stupidity.

LOL! No, by definition, stupidity is Warren saying Facebook allowed Trump's lies to go unchecked, when she herself tried to claim to be part native American!

The problem with you liberals is, you readily accept Democrat crap!

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LOL! No, by definition, stupidity is Warren saying Facebook allowed Trump's lies to go unchecked, when she herself tried to claim to be part native American! 

This isn't logical in any way.

The problem with you liberals is, you readily accept Democrat crap!

I've you say so.

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The problem with you liberals is, you readily accept Democrat crap!

That would be an understatement.

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Sen. Kamala Harris, a California Democrat...

Oh good grief...

... urged Twitter to suspend Trump's account for violating the service's rules

Trump did no such thing. She just wants him silenced, being as how she knows that's how he gets his message directly to the people being as how most of the media is so biased against him.

By the way, Tulsi Gabbard is ripping the DNC on her Youtube channel. She should be the front-runner being as how she's by far the sanest Dem candidate.

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when she herself tried to claim to be part native American!

A DNA test proved she has native American genes. Clearly someone does have trouble with the truth but its not Warren.

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@Norman Goodman,

You are kidding, right?

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Brw, check out old interviews with warren. She apoeared reserved and thoughtful. When exactly did she morph into the manic, strutting, shrill harpy that she is now? And those mad eyes.

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