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Wait! People complaining about Arpaio profiling but they accept all the airport security profiling? Hmm...

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I marvel at how the US can get anything done when there's just two main Political Parties who will seemingly never agree upon whatever the other wishes to do.

You are right to a great extent- not much of anything can get done because of the polarized political views of the two dominant parties. And while they hold these very different views about government, they simultaneously justify countering their most cherished beliefs in order to gain political advantage. It's a sight to behold.

For example, Dems think discrimination is under every rock in America yet focus all of their attention on exaggerating differences over those things that can unify the country. They even fight tooth and nail to defend government policies that discrimination based in skin color because they have determined that certain types of racism are desireable. It's gotten to the point we're denigrating unifying symbols such as the flag is considered a social good. For Republicans they say that small government and fiscal responsibility are essential to American society. Yet they have for decades stood by and allowed the federal government to ballon in size and the debt to grow to the unfathomable size of $20 trillion.

The disconnect between the people and their so called 'representatives' is vast and growing. The proof of that fact is that a person like Donald Trump was able to become president of the United States. It takes a tremendous failure of political leadership for this kind of thing to happen in a modern democracy.

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The US used to show leadership in the Democratic way, though I wonder, whether now-a-days, it may have lost its way.

Swings and roundabouts. Ebbs and flows. I'm fairly sure the US will find its way back to the fold after the current crop of eejits are ousted.

But yeah, correct when it comes to the poor choice of political parties in the US. The Repubs and Dems are barely distinguishable and the others are laughable, to say the least.

Remember Gary Johnson's classic? "What is Aleppo?"

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I marvel at how the US can get anything done when there's just two main Political Parties who will seemingly never agree upon whatever the other wishes to do. And now, given that anyone can sue anyone else (including the President) appears to be leading towards a rocky road whereby one day, Dictatorship would seem appealing as being the only way to get things done.

Democracy is implemented differently within different places in the World. Some appear to be successful, others less so. The US used to show leadership in the Democratic way, though I wonder, whether now-a-days, it may have lost its way.

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bass4funk: This is true, his support did indeed drop with millennials

You're been unable to support your claim that a majority of the people in Arizona support him. I don't know why we're still talking about this.

I have a giant beard, big, tats and people pull me aside, the cops pull me aside, I Just take it all in stride and let the police do their job. I'm not a baby and I don't let it get under my skin.

Great. If I ever see you detained because of how you look, I'll smile waive as I ride by, and you can smile and waive back. And it's it's a sunny day, maybe we'll both be happy. Maybe we can get them to confiscate your guns as well...just until that time you can prove you aren't potentially harmful to others.

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Lies, damned lies

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/us/politics/lies-trump-obama-mislead.html?mcubz=1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/new-york-times-prints-full-page-of-trumps-lies-since-taking-office-a7808311.html

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illyas, you are right, but the 'liberals' like to play fast and loose with the truth as we know.

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Right. He enjoyed very high support in the 90s.

Not just the 90's

Over the years his support declined, resulting in approval ratings now in the 30s and then he was voted out of office last year, losing to a Democrat in a red state by 11 points. Not much more to say than that.

This is true, his support did indeed drop with millennials, we all know, the millennial group are the group of wanting open borders and entitlements. Back on track, but not with the majority of older residents, his support remained quite strong and especially with people living along the border in the State of Arizona and beyond.

Arpaio was stopping people for looking Latino and then detaining them if they didn't have ID on them.

And?

That included legal Americans, so when black writes, "stopping undocumented immigrants" he's misinforming you.

Ok, so how's he supposed to distinguish American Hispanics from illegals, I get your point, but it's a stupid argument. I think profiling is necessary, it may be uncomfortable and an intrusion on your civil rights, but you are sadly mistaken if you think illegal aliens will willingly tell you their legal status. So like with stop and frisk which helped take thousands of guns off the streets, it's a very important a vital tool to use. I get profiled often because I have a giant beard, big, tats and people pull me aside, the cops pull me aside, I Just take it all in stride and let the police do their job. I'm not a baby and I don't let it get under my skin.

Unless you think people put bumper stickers on cars reading, "I'm an undocumented immigrant. Please stop me." The police in AZ just said, "He looks Mexican, pull him over and demand proof of citizenship. That other guy is white, so no need to stop him."

So what's your point? They should just ask them and take their word for whatever they say? You guys are hilarious. Lol

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Most Democrats openly support racial discrimination. The only party in America that supports government sponsored policies that explicitly differentiate citizens by race is the Democrats. If you support racialized public policy - then you might be a racist. Don't be a part of the racial scapegoating and support a color blind society.

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Awwww. Wight Wingers mad at my post. But it true.

2/3 of Republicans support Arpaoi's pardon.

This ain't not party. This ain't no disco.

This is a hate group.

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Back to the lawsuit.

It's interesting to watch the States play a role in affecting policy at the federal level by using the Judicial Branch as a lever.

Back in 2014/15, when Obama expanded DACA, 26 states joined in a lawsuit to block the action and won. The States successfully influenced the implementation of an executive order and expressed a combined will by using the judicial system as a platform.

Earlier this year a group of 10 states announced the intent to sue the Trump administration over DACA and gave him a deadline to either cancel the program or face litigation. I think Trump was willing to take his time on fulfilling his campaign promise to get rid of DACA, but facing the prospect of his administration being put in the position of defending the program from legal challenge, his hand was forced and the announcement was made. Once again, the States influenced the direction of federal policy by using the court system as leverage.

The main thrust of these suits was that President Obama overstepped his constitutional authority by circumventing Congress, with his executive order, and therefore the program should be ruled invalid.

Now we have 15 states joining in a lawsuit that seeks to have Trump's executive order, rescinding Obama's executive order, rescinded. From what I see, the gist of the suit is based on the perception that Trump has a personal animosity towards Mexicans and Latinos and is just being a racist bully. If there was any mention of a legal position that defended the legality and/or constitutionality of Obama's executive order I missed it.

The 2015 litigation ended up in the Supreme Court where the justices failed to rule and left the lower court's ruling standing. They failed to rule because there were only 8 justices and they were split down the middle. If this issue comes before them again they'll have a full house so a hung jury is not in the cards.

In the meantime Congress better start getting busy, they just had a three week break so they should be all rested and ready to work.

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@bass4funk: I retired a few years ago from a 40+ year in media - all media - and if I were you, I wouldn't brag about knowing how the media is run. You have no clue; take that from someone who really does.

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bass4funk: That doesn't mean he wasn't supported by a large majority, if they didn't, he would have been gone long ago.

Right. He enjoyed very high support in the 90s. Over the years his support declined, resulting in approval ratings now in the 30s and then he was voted out of office last year, losing to a Democrat in a red state by 11 points. Not much more to say than that.

blacklabel: One judge ordered him to stop doing something (in this case 'to stop detaining undocumented immigrants'). It seems like the Sheriff chose not to stop as he felt enforcing federal law allowed him to do this.

Arpaio was stopping people for looking Latino and then detaining them if they didn't have ID on them. That included legal Americans, so when black writes, "stopping undocumented immigrants" he's misinforming you. Unless you think people put bumper stickers on cars reading, "I'm an undocumented immigrant. Please stop me." The police in AZ just said, "He looks Mexican, pull him over and demand proof of citizenship. That other guy is white, so no need to stop him."

So he was simply convicted of contempt of court, not of any crime such as racial profiling.

More shifty statements from Trump fans. The court said he was racial profiling, and to stop. He didn't stop. So he was found in contempt for not following a judge's orders. And the order was to stop questioning people for looking Mexican.

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These states lack standing to sue over DACA. As the sanctuary states and cities will tell you, immigration law is the purview of the federal government.

Katsu: In other words, you feel comfortable categorically declaring institutional racism doesn't presently exist unless it potentially hurts white people

What I said is that the only current form of institutional racism that exists in America today is the deeply embedded affirmative action laws that treat citizens not as individual citizens but by their government approved racial classification. I believe that no one should be judged by their race.

Affirmative action laws target white people (particularly men) by specifically omitting them from the civil rights protections those laws and policies provide to others. It makes the egregious attempt to make racial discrimination somehow a social good through positive discrimination for some as opposed to the negative variety that singles out a particular race for disparate treatment under the law. The intent of the laws and policies do not make racial discrimination a social good.

Individuals of all races can be and some are surely racist. But other than affirmative action, it is the extremely rare institution or government entity anywhere in America that purposefully discriminate as a matter of institutional policy. That for example, have policies that single out blacks for discrimination. When such instances are discovered normal civil rights law is available to remedy such situations. Again that is not saying that some individuals are not racist - there are racists of every color and creed. But the law prohibits them from acting upon their racial animus. In contrast, the purpose of affirmative action is to facilitate racial discrimination. Such policies are severely corrosive to societies.

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all except taxes right? Illegal foreigners don't pay

The DACA people do.

https://unitedwedream.org/daca-tips/taxes-daca-need-know/

Mark Zuckerberg Admits If President Trump Ends DACA It Would Create 700000 Jobs

Nope. What he and his group FWD.us 'admitted' (I think the correct vocabulary choice here is 'warned') is that 30,000 workers could lose their jobs every month and that the loss of those worker could cost the country $460.3 billion and reduce Medicare and Social Security contributions by $24.6 billion.

http://fortune.com/2017/08/31/daca-dreamers-jobs-donald-trump/

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This is interesting:

Mark Zuckerberg Admits If President Trump Ends DACA It Would Create 700000 Jobs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viVrZMgwnsM

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Uhhh....I dunno? You said that Arpaio enjoyed support of the majority in Arizona and I pointed to approval ratings and the last election, which he lost badly.

That doesn't mean he wasn't supported by a large majority, if they didn't, he would have been gone long ago.

You can verify this yourself if you'd like, it's all public info. I also mentioned that you've been told this already, so not only is your claim false, you're knowingly pushing a false claim.

I don't need to verity what liberals want people to see. We're talking about the media and I know exactly how they run.

I think people who have read the thread get the gist of it now, so unless you have data to counter what I've shown, we should just consider the matter closed and move on.

Well, people can believe what they want, some people think and the media try to portray that the lunatic left anarchists are peaceful and reasonable people and are just doing what they can to stomp out racism. LOL

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bass4funk: Really? So when you talk about how Californians think, I'm wrong

Uhhh....I dunno? You said that Arpaio enjoyed support of the majority in Arizona and I pointed to approval ratings and the last election, which he lost badly. You can verify this yourself if you'd like, it's all public info. I also mentioned that you've been told this already, so not only is your claim false, you're knowingly pushing a false claim.

I think people who have read the thread get the gist of it now, so unless you have data to counter what I've shown, we should just consider the matter closed and move on.

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Blacklabel: Has cultural and other benefits for both the USA and the short term employee.

Awesome. So let's give a job and money to a guy from Equador and push the legal American aside because of "cultural benefits." Must be a big thing with Trump supporters.

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And to all the rabid accusers of 'racists' and (current in vogue term) 'nazis' - everyone is welcome in the US. Just come in LEGALLY like civilized good citizens do.

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BlacklabelToday  10:44 am JST

"And you feel confident that, given Congress's record thus far in the Trump presidency, they can address the issue effectively now?"

So the ineptitude of Congress is now an excuse of why Trump cant expect them to handle this as the law requires? So now Trump is expected to do the job of Congress too?

I didn't say anything about any of that. I asked if Congress could do the job, not whose job it was. Is responding to what people actually write really that hard?

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The other thing you are missing is that in fact, DACA has been ruled on in Texas, all the way to the Supreme Court.

A federal district court in early 2015 issued an order to block the initiatives from going forward while the legal case proceeded. An appeals court affirmed the ruling and added a broader one, saying that the program also exceeded Obama’s statutory authority. Because the Supreme Court split the decision 4-4 (due to one judge’s recusal), the case gets remanded back to the highest appeals court and that decision is upheld. 

http://inhomelandsecurity.com/what-the-supreme-courts-split-decision-on-dapadaca-means-for-immigrants/

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One judge ordered him to stop doing something (in this case 'to stop detaining undocumented immigrants'). It seems like the Sheriff chose not to stop as he felt enforcing federal law allowed him to do this.

Another judge (I dont know why it wasnt the same judge) then ruled that he didnt stop doing what the first judge told him to stop. So he was simply convicted of contempt of court, not of any crime such as racial profiling. He was awaiting sentencing for that misdemeanor when he was legally pardoned.

So to my point, with an easy example: A judge orders you to stop taking the train to work every morning for whatever reason. Maybe he heard from an old person that you dont give up your priority seat and the judge thinks you should based on his interpretation of the law. But you take the train anyway as you feel justified to do so and dont agree that you have to give up your seat. You will be rightfully convicted of contempt of court for doing that. Didnt follow the order of the judge and the court.

But eventually someone else will need to determine if it was legal for the judge to restrict you from taking that train in the first place right? You cant be found guilty of not abiding by a judge's order if it is not a legal order. Before any of that happened with Arpaio, he got pardoned. So you cant say he is 'racist' or guilty of 'profiling' because all he was judged on was not doing what a judge told him to do.

No connection to Dreamers about this. Trump can legally pardon someone but he cant legally leave in place an illegal program such as DACA.

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So Black, can you answer Katsu's question. Kinda compelling stuff:

Interesting. You do realize a judge's order doesn't require outside judgement, don't you?

He is absolutely correct when he points out that:

But the fact that you think a judge needs a second opinion for their orders to count, while simultaneously believing DACA to be illegal when it hasn't even been ruled on, while simultaneously believing Dreamer children who committed no crime tells us you have a peculiar notion of what it means for a thing to be illegal. And it's also telling that all those opinions about what constitutes illegality break down conveniently on whether they negatively affect white people or people of color.

What gives? One set of rules for racist Trump supporting sheriffs and another for everyone else, Dreamers included?

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USA benefits of H2B visa program:

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/283440-h-2b-program-benefits-small-businesses-and-their-workers

Japan benefits of JET program:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2017/05/03/issues/japans-jet-programme-hits-30s-jurys-still/#.WbDogcgjE2w

As I said both these programs have a purpose why they are only available for 'foreigners' instead of 'citizens'. But what would the purpose be for the USA allowing illegal immigrants to take full time, permanent jobs and limited educational opportunities over US citizens?

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If the company needs temporary help it should definitely go to someone from Honduras rather than a natural born American. And I think it's great that's Trump is signing his checks to them.

As i said, it is a special program legally created for a specific purpose. In this case, it allows someone from Honduras to legally work in the USA for a short period of time. Has cultural and other benefits for both the USA and the short term employee.

But they're talking jobs from the Japanese native English speakers.

Yes, I agree, they are. So lets give all those jobs to Japanese natives. But wait, the purpose is REALLY for Japanese kids to get exposure to foreigners from all different English speaking countries. So this program also has cultural benefits to the nation of Japan and the short term employees that would not be met if Japanese took these jobs.

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Black: What you are missing is that these 66,000 jobs were created for the purpose of allowing foreigners to come work in the USA as part of a seasonal, temporary experience.

If the company needs temporary help it should definitely go to someone from Honduras rather than a natural born American. And I think it's great that's Trump is signing his checks to them.

Same as the ALT/JET program in Japan was created to allow foreigners to come to Japan on a temporary basis to gain work experience that they couldnt otherwise get in this country.

But they're talking jobs from the Japanese native English speakers.

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Americans SHOULD have more rights over illegal aliens rights. Thats called a country. A lot of hysteria has been wasted on this. The media are not properly reporting on this issue. Yesterday Trump said if Congress doesn't take care of DACA , he would take it back into his own hands. Translation = Either a law reinstating DACA will occur within the next 6 months or Trump will reinstate DACA again. TRUMP clearly wants Congress to make it a law.

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It is a race issue. Trump and his junta have made sure of that. With Muslim bans, Mexican "rapists and criminals" and so on.

Its not a race issue, the left loons want to make it a race issue, it's the only tool they have in their arsenal of attacks to the right, that's it. I don't see the Muslims in Detroit, Washington and California packing. As for the rapists part, no one is saying all of the illegals, but I would advise the left to read the facts sometimes and the stats and leave their emotions aside, it does help, a lot.

It's Trump who deserves to lose everything after his disgraceful behaviour. Not these innocent people who have contributed far more to American society than that eejit.

Its the Democratic Party that's lost and why is it that so many non-Americans are always trying to tell us how we should deal with our internal politics on issues they know nothing about?

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BlacklabelToday  11:59 am JST

Funny how Arpiao keeps popping up out of convenience. 

I don't find evidence of our President's bigotry and his efforts to appeal to white supremacists funny at all. Maybe you do.

He was found guilty of contempt of court for not doing what a judge said. There was no outside judgement made yet if what the judge had ordered him to stop doing was a legal order or NOT.

Interesting. You do realize a judge's order doesn't require outside judgement, don't you? A judge issues an order and it has the weight of law until it is appealed and overturned. You don't get to ignore it just because you haven't heard a second opinion.

But the fact that you think a judge needs a second opinion for their orders to count, while simultaneously believing DACA to be illegal when it hasn't even been ruled on, while simultaneously believing Dreamer children who committed no crime tells us you have a peculiar notion of what it means for a thing to be illegal. And it's also telling that all those opinions about what constitutes illegality break down conveniently on whether they negatively affect white people or people of color.

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Compassion? Not for those who came to the U.S after my Grandparents walked of the boat...next eastern Euopeans, oh that's right Donald's wife worked illegally in the U.S but that's not a problem, she does the jobs no one with citizen status would do.

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Oh and an update, Trump released his 1 million dollar hurricane relief donations from his personal money and listed 12 charities and the amount each charity got.  yep and that money probably came from a different nonprofit charity of Trumps, which he has a record of pilfering for his own personal gains.

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childish inability of the GOP to take responsibility of their own actions. 

So explain to me again how 'the GOP' is responsible for an illegal program that Obama implemented that he knew was illegal when he did it?

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What you are missing is that these 66,000 jobs were created for the purpose of allowing foreigners to come work in the USA as part of a seasonal, temporary experience. That is why there is a cap and an associated law authorizing it.

Same as the ALT/JET program in Japan was created to allow foreigners to come to Japan on a temporary basis to gain work experience that they couldnt otherwise get in this country.

So I dont have a problem with H2B visa jobs going to non Americans, as those jobs arent FOR Americans. Same as the ALT/JET jobs are not FOR Japanese, both programs are serving a purpose outside of just being an available 'job' for the most qualified applicant.

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Seriously though, why won't Donny release his tax returns?

Because all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

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It's pretty funny watching panicked American wingers try to fob this off on Obama and then Congress. Hell, even Sarah Huckabee was caught in a very awkward moment when she said, "President Obama is winding down DACA.... sorry, I mean President Trump." It was hilarious, and quite telling at what goes on in the childish inability of the GOP to take responsibility of their own actions. No wonder Trump was a coward and asked Sessions to go out and spew all the nonsense on his behalf.

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Wouldn't any country get rid of illegal foreign law breakers? no not any country, especially not against children who at the time many had no idea that their parents were breaking the law . Cant inhumanely punish children for the faults of their parents

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Cool. So 66,000 foreigners getting jobs before Americans isn't that big of a deal.

temporary permits for seasonal jobs in the non agricultural tourism industry, sure. Full time, high paying jobs at Microsoft, Facebook and Apple, and permanent working permits, no. Two different things. If someone doesnt like the H2B visa program, they can sue the government about that too.

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Blacklabel: Not really, because you are referring to a legal program for H2B visas that has a cap of 66,000

Cool. So 66,000 foreigners getting jobs before Americans isn't that big of a deal.

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love how the dems cry and cry when they don't get their way, they either cry or riot and break things. children, better than being run over by a car, so far the courts and congress agree with them funny how democracy works.

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You do realize that his tax returns were prepared by tax lawyers not him personally, right?

I had noooo idea. That's brilliant, thanks four teaching me something ;)

And that every year if there were any discrepancies at all as far as non allowed deductions or reductions in taxable income, those would have been corrected between the IRS and his tax lawyers? 

Assuming a) he is audited, and b) he's not using fishy tax loopholes.

Seriously though, why won't Donny release his tax returns?

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Well, we won't know for sure until he releases his full tax returns.

Still begging for this? You do realize that his tax returns were prepared by tax lawyers not him personally, right? And that every year if there were any discrepancies at all as far as non allowed deductions or reductions in taxable income, those would have been corrected between the IRS and his tax lawyers? I even have that myself, so I am quite sure a rich guy like Trump does. If there is an error in my taxes, a company deals with it to get it corrected, not me.

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Funny how everyone bleating about "bu-bu-but they broke the law!" for dreamers is so willing to ignore Arpiao breaking the law.

Funny how Arpiao keeps popping up out of convenience. He is one US citizen who was paroled legally by the Presidential pardon power. He was found guilty of contempt of court for not doing what a judge said. There was no outside judgement made yet if what the judge had ordered him to stop doing was a legal order or NOT.

Then 800,000 Illegal aliens who should have been deported starting in 2012 were illegally allowed to stay in the USA. Done by a President who misused his Presidential powers to override something that Congress decline to make a law. Both the scope (1 vs 800,000) and the legality/illegality of the two actions, make these not worthy of comparison as the 'same'. Not only is it apples and oranges its a lot of apples and one orange.

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all except taxes right?

Well, we won't know for sure until he releases his full tax returns.

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Not these innocent people who have contributed far more to American society

all except taxes right? Illegal foreigners don't pay, but they use the schools and roads. This is called freeloading. When you base your life on sneaking in a country and living illegally, don't blame people for wanting to make you leave.

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@Blacklabel "Doublethink" is everywhere these days.

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Reminded of this moving poem by Pastor Niemoller

First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left

To speak out for me

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IllyasToday  10:43 am JST

Pretty sure he was being jailed for 'contempt of court', nothing more.

Yes, and that 'contempt of court' was issued because he refused a judge's order to stop violating the constitutional rights of any brown-skinned Arizonan he sees.

Funny how everyone bleating about "bu-bu-but they broke the law!" for dreamers is so willing to ignore Arpiao breaking the law.

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Any Trump fans here going to talk about Mar-a-Lago and Teump's use of cheap foreign workers over Americans? Or do situations like that not really outrage you that much?

Not really, because you are referring to a legal program for H2B visas that has a cap of 66,000 per fiscal year for non immigrants to come work temporarily and return home. This is compared to a policy that is trying to make 800,000 illegal immigrants (and later their illegal families members too) into legal permanent residents or maybe even citizens. No comparison, one is legal and has law to authorize it, while the other has law that specifically denies it.

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suing on behalf of illegal foreigners. Thanks for wasting our time and money

How much of your take home pay here in Japan is being wasted? How does it impact on your time, precisely?

Is this what you mean by crying?

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stop making this a race issue, if you do not have a proper visa you leave. No matter your race. If you based your entire life on a crime of entering illegally you deserve to lose everything

It is a race issue. Trump and his junta have made sure of that. With Muslim bans, Mexican "rapists and criminals" and so on.

It's Trump who deserves to lose everything after his disgraceful behaviour. Not these innocent people who have contributed far more to American society than that eejit.

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these lawsuits prove the complainers are just playing politics. the program is still in place for 6 months, so a legitimate lawsuit would be one to force Congress to pass a real law. the fact they are not forcing Congress but instead are suing trump means their complaint has no legitimacy.

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Any Trump fans here going to talk about Mar-a-Lago and Teump's use of cheap foreign workers over Americans? Or do situations like that not really outrage you that much?

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I am excited by the prospect of another Obama policy being overturned by the Supreme Court. Sue Nancy - sue.

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I live in Arizona and this is false.

Really? So when you talk about how Californians think, I'm wrong, even though I'm from that State and live there 6 months out of the year, but when you talk about Arizona and talk about you live there and know better and from what I've been reading, it's all false fake news because you live there?

You libs really need to stop taking a one-sided opionated view of the world, it just makes all you guys looks so....partisan.

The people voted him out of office in a bad loss to a Democrat and his approval ratings are in the 30s.

Compared to Congress and their 15% approval rating, that doesn't seem that bad.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Congress. My guess is we're going to hear some pretty shocking things from Republicans and a few are going to surprise us. And Trump will probably sit back and enjoy the fight within the party.

I'm sure he will. I know I will.

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Typical. Don't use the time you have to pass the immigration reform you say you want so badly. Waste it in court suing over something absurd.

I feel pity on the people in this article photo (and all over the US) holding signs saying "Save the American Dream" and any with the word "Immigrants" on them. How silly they are on multiple levels.

People who enter any country illegally - no immigration stamp for visitors / no visa for work, school, religion, etc / no paperwork or documents giving the right for them to be in said country - are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. It's the same whether in the US, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Germany, Japan, South Africa, or any/all other countries of the world.

The reasons why they entered illegally or overstayed after legally entering are irrelevant. Illegal is illegal. Your cute terms of "dreamers" or "undocumented workers" is just fluff to divert from the issue at hand. There is a legal means to entering the US for whatever your purpose. If you refuse to follow that method, you are ILLEGAL.

The American Dream is not only for US Citizens or white people. But it is for legally entering immigrants. Not anyone who can get into the country by any means they see fit. Same as public housing, public schooling, health care, social welfare, and the rest. It's not for visitors. It's not for people who came illegally and decided to stay and take advantage of the country and its people.

I would expect people here, who came to Japan and went thru the same immigration process, could understand such things. Doesn't matter which country is bigger, is more popular with immigrants/illegals, has more to offer potential residents, etc. If you come here via boat from Jamaica, and sneak into the country, you are an illegal immigrant. You should be deported. If you cross the border from Mexico into the US, same.

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http://admissions.tufts.edu/apply/first-year-students/undocumented-students/

An entire page on the website discussing all of the special scholarships and financial aid available to illegal aliens. Also advice about how to deal with their illegal alien parents not having Social Security Numbers or a taxable source of income.

So of course this state in one of the ones suing about DACA. Harvard students even get a free lawyer to fight their case:

http://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Harvard-University-Hires-Attorney-to-Deal-With-Immigration-Issues-442949823.html

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I have learned a lot about immigration recently based on how people react to the termination of an illegal policy that benefits illegals in our country to the detriment of our citizens.

Media will write articles saying no one loses a job or a college admissions due to these illegals. Most are in low paid jobs and go to community college anyway, they argue. But then other reports comes out that they are working at Facebook, Apple and Microsoft and that they are enrolled at Harvard and Tufts universities. So no American citizens wanted to work at those companies or go to those schools?

This is what I dont understand. According to liberals, the USA is a racist country that oppresses minorities. Yet the illegals who are here need to stay because they came here for a 'better life'??? Its the only country they have known, liberals cry. Well if that is the case, refugees have never been here in the USA before so its best they stay in the only country they have ever known too. Its just too traumatic to live somewhere you didnt live before, according to liberals.

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Bass: In Arizona. Most people in that State supported the man

I live in Arizona and this is false. The people voted him out of office in a bad loss to a Democrat and his approval ratings are in the 30s. And bass has read this information numerous times.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Congress. My guess is we're going to hear some pretty shocking things from Republicans and a few are going to surprise us. And Trump will probably sit back and enjoy the fight within the party.

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Ah, what happened to the idea of creating a plan before making changes. That's like my parents telling me I can't eat because I am fat.

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Oh and guess what? all these extra voters seem to have voted for Clinton.

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/numbers/president-vice-president-every-neighborhood-map-election-results-voting-general-primary-illinois

CHICAGO — More Chicagoans voted for Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential race than they did for Barack Obama in 2012.

Why doesnt the State Attorney General sue over the issue of more voters than human beings alive instead of the supposed rights of illegal aliens? But no, they refused to give their voting data to the election commision investigating voter fraud.

oh and also because of things like this from their buddies in NY:

He said the 42,000 New Yorkers with protected status under the program are largely model citizens. "They are the best of America," Schneiderman said.

So illegal aliens are the best of America, huh? Better than hard working US citizens? And people wonder why after statements like this from Dems in power that the Dems keep losing elections?

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And of course, the continuing efforts to prevent and reduce black people from voting.

Oh you mean like Democratic stronghold city Chicago, where it was reported that 15,000 more people voted than actually live there? The election board say that people are looking at 'incomplete data', yet they have not provided the updated data about this since January.

http://chicagocitywire.com/stories/511195461-election-board-lists-more-general-election-votes-than-voters-in-chicago

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And you feel confident that, given Congress's record thus far in the Trump presidency, they can address the issue effectively now?

So the ineptitude of Congress is now an excuse of why Trump cant expect them to handle this as the law requires? So now Trump is expected to do the job of Congress too? But isnt Obama overruling Congress what got us in this mess to begin with?

Oh and an update, Trump released his 1 million dollar hurricane relief donations from his personal money and listed 12 charities and the amount each charity got. President Trump will be available all day on Twitter to accept the personal apologies of each of you who said he wouldnt do this. Another promise kept.

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The POTUS literally just pardoned a sheriff for violating the constitutional rights of Latinos

Pretty sure he was being jailed for 'contempt of court', nothing more.

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Sixty percent of Americans oppose Donald Trump’s pardon of the disgraced Joe Arpaio while nearly two-thirds of Americans support the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.  

It doesn't matter what most Americans think about Arpaio, they don't live in Arizona. Most people in that State supported the man and thought he was great for fighting illegal immigration. And you need to be clear when talking about DACA. Most people support a pathway to citizenship since they are already here, makes since. It would be difficult to send them back to a country they don't know, so since Obama's executive order was unconstitutional, then instead of wrangling with this lump, congress should consider me together, both parties and come up with a real legislative plan to fix this and from here on, put anyone outside of the US and in the Latin countries that in order to enter the US you have to do it the legal way, like Sessions said, we can't take everyone in and we shouldn't. We are not the Salvation Army.

Session, the Keebler Elf, and Trump the Orange Obscenity are playing to their alt right racist, KKK, Nazi base on this.

Ok, so the lefts solution is to go about name calling instead of coming up with functional ideas.

Yeah.....

I think you meant to say the widespread institutional racism that exists in the various police forces.

What a bunch of garbage. We don't widespread institutional racism in the police force. My brother is a cop and in a very heavily Black and Latino dominated city, most of the officers love their job and do their best to help the community, but you do have a rise in police attacks up 19% and that's alarming. But this dumb ruse that police are out to kill people is just hilariously stupid.

And of course, the continuing efforts to prevent and reduce black people from voting.

Ok, what evidence? Do you have any comments on the out of control Black on Black crime in Chicago and other Black dominated cities?

Don't you think we need to worry about the millions of Americans that are suffering or the immigrants that followed the rules? How do you feel about border security? Do you think we should have secure borders? I know liberals believe in letting in the entire world, but what's your view? Other countries like Mexico have some of the most stringent immigration policies, why they can they be so strict, but we shouldn't?

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As heartbreaking as it may seem, anything that is illegal to begin with won't prosper in a long run.

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Dango bongToday  09:22 am JST

No matter your race. If you based your entire life on a crime of entering illegally you deserve to lose everything

Oh the melodrama! Cue stirring music.

suing on behalf of illegal foreigners. Thanks for wasting our time and money

You don't think the whole process of sending more people to deportation courts is a huge waste of time and money that could be spent on dealing with criminals who are actually dangerous like those maniacs who go on 2nd Amendment protected shooting sprees, especially when the deportation orders get overturned?

KaerimashitaToday  10:06 am JST

Did I miss something? all he has done is made it Congress's problem. Isn't the US a democracy? shouldn't we be happy about removal of a presidential executive order? Sure it feels bad that these folks are now unprotected, but if he hadn't done this Congress would never have addressed this issue.

And you feel confident that, given Congress's record thus far in the Trump presidency, they can address the issue effectively now?

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Did I miss something?  all he has done is made it Congress's problem.  Isn't the US a democracy?  shouldn't we be happy about removal of a presidential executive order?  Sure it feels bad that these folks are now unprotected, but if he hadn't done this Congress would never have addressed this issue.

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Why do the people who snuck in get expedited citizenship while the people who did paperwork and paid money have to wait?

the liberal response to every choice Trump makes is "lawsuit". Even when his decision was to follow the law and eliminate something illegal the other guy did by promising things to illegals that only citizens should get.

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Congress now needs to pass some legislation to shift these DACA youth onto an expedited citizenship path.

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WolfpackToday  09:01 am JST

The only current vestige of institutional racism that exists in America today are the widespread use of laws and policies known as affirmative action.

In other words, you feel comfortable categorically declaring institutional racism doesn't presently exist unless it potentially hurts white people, in which case you're absolutely certain it exists even if you don't actually have evidence it hurts white people.

Gee, when you put it like that, how could anyone think racism is still an issue in the US?

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Our laws and courts are in place to protect law abiding citizens, not law breaking foreigners

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Anyway; they aren't crying - they are suing.

suing on behalf of illegal foreigners. Thanks for wasting our time and money

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widespread institutional racism that exists

stop making this a race issue, if you do not have a proper visa you leave. No matter your race. If you based your entire life on a crime of entering illegally you deserve to lose everything

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Call and write your representatives. The ball is in their court now.

I'll be letting mine know to deport anyone not in the USA legally regardless of where they originally came. We need to throw all the Aussies and Brits out! And the other law breakers too.

This is 100% the fault of the parents who decided to ignore USA laws.

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The only current vestige of institutional racism that exists in America today are the widespread use of laws and policies known as affirmative action.

I think you meant to say the widespread institutional racism that exists in the various police forces.

And of course, the continuing efforts to prevent and reduce black people from voting.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/01/republicans-block-black-votes-fair-judges-crucial

https://www.researchgate.net/blog/post/the-laws-that-keep-poor-people-of-color-from-voting-in-the-us

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/03/courts-are-finally-pointing-out-the-racism-behind-voter-id-laws/?utm_term=.b764b14b2787

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And, what is intitutional racism?

Institutional racism is discrimination on the part of government or a private organization/entity that is backed by the rule of law and based on a persons skin color. One example is the Jim Crow laws that existed in America following the American civil war up until the 1960's. The only current vestige of institutional racism that exists in America today are the widespread use of laws and policies known as affirmative action.

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Fifteen states and the District of Columbia sued the U.S. government Wednesday to block President Donald Trump's plan to end protection against deportation for young immigrants.....

.....They were brought to the U.S. illegally as children or came with families who overstayed visas.

.....Opponents of the program said they are pleased with the Trump administration's decision. They called DACA an unconstitutional abuse of executive power.

Obama could not get the votes in Congress to pass DACA. Obama then chose to issue an executive order to circumvent Congress's authority. Unfortunately for Obama, EO's issued by a current POTUS can be overturned by any future POTUS.

It seems that these dreamers believed Obama. Oops. Even after Obama said that his EO was a temporary fix, and the issue would still have to be properly addressed by Congress?

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stocktraderToday  08:20 am JST

And, what is intitutional racism?... I'm pretty sure in the US, the law applies to everyone equally, unless your rich.

Get a load of this guy. The POTUS literally just pardoned a sheriff for violating the constitutional rights of Latinos, but he's "pretty sure" the law applies to everyone equally.

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"They are the best of America," Schneiderman said"

This is a perfect illustration of the Dem mindset. They earnestly believe that the best American is someone who isn't American at all. The more you love your country the more unpatriotic you become. It's a completely upside down and twisted view of citizenship. This is the kind of thinking that enables a group of ideologically blinkered people to believe that executive dictates in a democratic country is an acceptable way to make law. The ends always justify the means. It's how a frustrated people end up voting in Trump as their president.

I think that this whole unconstitutional mess could have a bright side. Obama has collected the names, addresses, and other identifying information for 800 thousand illegal aliens. These individuals all have parents who are illegal aliens. This is a treasure trove of law enforcement information.

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love how the dems cry and cry when they don't get their way, they either cry or riot and break things. children

Whereas the nazis kill people.

Anyway; they aren't crying - they are suing.

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Dango bong, love how the GOP can't get its caucus together to pass anything but post office renamings. Seriously: ZERO major pieces of legislation passed. Yesterday, Trump showed he' not entirely dense when he made a deal to raise the debt ceiling with Dem support, bypassing House legislators of his own party.

Perhaps something similar will happen with DACA.

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Trump called an American born judge a "Mexican" an said they are too biased to judge white people. He pardoned Arpaio after he willfully broke the law by targeting all Latinos because of their race. He conjures up images of fear by calling border jumpers rapists with diseases. He spreads fake news about millions of illegal Latinos illegally voting.

Why would we take him at his word regarding DREAMers? Makes no sense given his history.

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Not saying racism doesn't exist. Just it is no where near as bad as the everyday msnbc abc cnn news corp. says it is.

And, what is intitutional racism? Is that a new term like white guilt? Or trans-something? I'm pretty sure in the US, the law applies to everyone equally, unless your rich. It's really getting boring having to read about how everyone gets marginalized and placed into a sub category like race. I honestly don't look at someone and the first thing that comes to mind is their skin color, or what kind of victim or privilege they have‥…… unless they are rich.

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stocktraderToday  08:01 am JST

Hurricane Harvey showed us how much this racial divided thing is complete BS.

Ah, you're referring to that glurgey set of photos right-winger passed around showing white people and black people getting along right after Harvey, therefore proving that institutional racism doesn't exist, right? Must be nice to not have to actually examine the world, and instead just look at a curated set of images to confirm what you want to be true. Like I know business owners never get taxed too much not because I looked at economic data, but because I looked at 5 photos of CEOs with their own private jets.

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I'm so glad Japan doesn't have an anchor baby policy! Too bad for those kids with criminal parents.

As for the kkk nazi thing, I'm pretty sure the larger majority of Trump supporters also voted for Obama. Hurricane Harvey showed us how much this racial divided thing is complete BS.

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Dango bongToday  07:19 am JST

to punish and disparage people with Mexican roots."

this is the race card, but simply put this is simply a decision to uphold the law and deport those who broke it. Wouldn't any country get rid of illegal foreign law breakers?

That's just gross over-simplification. Unless you're implying that those kids chose to break the law themselves?

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2/3...

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"the alt right racist, KKK, Nazi base"

You mean Republicans. Just about 2/4 of Republicans favor the move

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to punish and disparage people with Mexican roots."

this is the race card, but simply put this is simply a decision to uphold the law and deport those who broke it. Wouldn't any country get rid of illegal foreign law breakers?

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love how the dems cry and cry when they don't get their way, they either cry or riot and break things. children

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Sixty percent of Americans oppose Donald Trump’s pardon of the disgraced Joe Arpaio while nearly two-thirds of Americans support the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.  

Session, the Keebler Elf, and Trump the Orange Obscenity are playing to their alt right racist, KKK, Nazi base on this.

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