Ukraine rushes drinking water to flooded areas as environmental damage mounts from dam break

The narrative changes of the gutter press changes in a daily basis. The facts are, we have two egotistical men too stubborn to sit down, talk and sort out this mess.

Ain't nothing to sort out just yet. Russia takes its invading army home and then I am pretty sure Ukraine will be happy to talk about next steps in making Ukraine whole again.

The facts are, we have two egotistical men too stubborn to sit down, talk and sort out this mess.

Only one egotistical man started this mess and he refuses to fix his mistake by pulling out.

Most Russian troops fled Oleshky shortly after the dam incident, Lera said, although a military checkpoint remains, and boats with people trying to leave have come under fire from soldiers.

Very on brand for the occupiers. Not only do they not help out the civilians, they're also shelling Kherson City.

In January the media assured us the mighty Leopards would be unleashed in Spring.

Don't know what to tell you, guy. Maybe file a complaint with the media if you are feeling aggrieved?

Experts noted that the 1950s-era dam, about 70 kilometers (44 miles) to the east of the city of Kherson, was believed to be in disrepair and vulnerable to collapse because water was already brimming over when the wall gave way. It hadn't been producing power since November, according to officials.

Why would the Russian occupiers let the water get so high. Why not repair the dam?

Curiously, the side the soldiers were on has been omitted (probably intentionally)

The article clearly says Russian occupied Kherson.

In the Moscow-controlled city of Oleshky, Lera, 19, told The Associated Press the first floor of her home was flooded.

Most Russian troops fled Oleshky shortly after the dam incident, Lera said, although a military checkpoint remains, and boats with people trying to leave have come under fire from soldiers

Addressing blame, the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington think tank, said Russia has "a greater and clearer interest in flooding the lower Dnieper despite the damage to their own prepared defensive positions.”

This is obviously Russian caused. They had cut access to the road to the dam on Ukraine side and had previously mined the dam.

while Russia controls the low-lying eastern side, which is more vulnerable to flooding.

there we go.

Bodies of people and animals floating down the river to the Black Ses.

Black Sea.

Either way, concluded analyst Michael Kofman, “Russia is responsible, either by virtue of action or by virtue of the fact that it controlled the dam.”

Not wrong.

At least the initial hysteria of the "Russians blew it" has eased slightly and there is a limited bit of commonsense taking hold in certain quarters.

The reports in this article from the Russian side of the river should be taken with a large shaker of salt - the reporters are quite simply not there.

there we go.

Ah yes, "there we go."

So then, it's rather odd for Russia to not repair the dam, and then not discharge any water.

I start having the feeling that many people, are acting like Evil Doers and not wanting to see the facts that are against their reality of the world. It’s very sad to see how many are led by the media or the political side their beliefs represent. No wonder we allow this mindless slaughter, not just in Ukraine but many other places worldwide that sadly are underreported by the medi.

FFS, you should touch base with Thuban above. He is also disappointed in the media. Perhaps you guys could start a letter-writing campaign? Surely you can't be angry with all media, though. Which media are you ok with?

Uchose

None of it.

 areas flooded by a collapsed dam in southern Ukraine on Wednesday, in a growing humanitarian and ecological disaster along a river that forms part of the front line in the 15-month war.

The final words in the above, refer to a 'war', one started by Russia. Which at this point seems to show the Russians have zero interest in doing anything positive for Ukraine and Ukrainaians, and never have. Instead like fascist extremists throughout history, the Russians have shown all they want to do is continue to harm the Ukrainians,. Yet their pro-Russia/China/Iran supporters seem to glory in the suffering Ukrainians continue to face. The same supporters crow about 'owning' the others, as if that's some sort of victory. Does Russia think that after they return their troops to Russia, that the rest of the world will pick up the tabs to repair the damage Russia has done. Will Russia further weaponize resources to show they 'own' anyone that does not bow down to them? Those that want the Russia-China-Iran bloc to prevail should move there, or move back. No more 'Tokyo living',

FFS you should start your own, then. That way it will be just as you like it.

Putin will kill as many as he can,as long NATO do not attack Moscow

oh so 24 hours later it collapsed because “the Russians” didn’t repair it?

that was a super quick pivot.

UChose

My dear fellow, Not my or your lifetime, things will never be how I like it. Humans are too flawed to behave in a rational manner. People don’t like peace, just taking sides to prove a point.

oh so 24 hours later it collapsed because “the Russians” didn’t repair it?

I don't know. Either Russia intentionally blew the dam, or they intentionally allowed the dam to rupture. Either way, Russia is responsible.

FFS - I am not talking about the war or the world in general, of course that will never be to anyone's exact liking. If you start your own media company, which is easier than ever these days, at least your media company can be exactly as you like it.

I hate war as do most others, but I hate the prospect of being subjugated by a foreign power even more. I don't think this is unique to me, otherwise you wouldn't see such phases as "Live Free or Die", "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death", etc.

Despite the rush to judgement, this story still has many unanswered questions.

The Kakhovka Dam was the last one of 6 dams/reservoirs that constitute the Dnieper reservoir cascade, and the largest.

Wondering what the greater picture here is. We have heard very little (I.e. nothing) about this basic fact in the MSM.

JJE,who built these dams , Russian

I was looking at some satellite images of the dam in the days immediately prior to the breach and the day before the breach a walkway on the east side of the powerhouse was gone and it appeared water was already coming up from beneath the powerhouse.

I’m starting to form the opinion the dam failed from neglect combined with very high reservoir levels. Find out what hydraulic uplift and piping are. They are responsible for many dam collapses. Examples are Malpasset Dam and San Francisquito Dam.

who built these dams?

All the dams, hydroelectric stations and associated infrastructure was built by the USSR.

Yep all the left tries to tell me that CNN doesn’t set the narrative for Zelensky.

Only option: it was blown up by Russia!

CNN: it collapsed, nothing to see here.

next day: it collapsed but still Russia fault!

But no mention of the Ukrainian troops and armour on the now underwater islands in the Dnieper river?

Only option: it was blown up by Russia!

It certainly makes more sense than claiming Ukraine flooded their own country!

Probably because they had about a day to move off of them before they flooded. Kherson is far downstream from the dam.

But no mention of the Ukrainian troops and armour on the now underwater islands in the Dnieper river?

90 percent of Ukrainain infrastructure,was built by Russian,while Ukrainain were part of USSR

It certainly makes more sense than claiming Ukraine flooded their own country!

Yet Russia blew up their own pipeline?

they flooded it to kill all the Russians didn’t they?

they flooded it to kill all the Russians didn’t they?

And just yesterday the story was that Ukraine destroyed the dam to distract from their "failed" counter-offensive.

To answer your question: No, "they" didn't do anything. It was Russia that allowed the dam to go unrepaired and then allowed water levels to raise.

Certainly no side being taken here.

If Putin was as sadistic as he is already is,he could of breach the dam, during winter and hell would of frozen over

Ohhh don’t like that one.

so Russia didn’t blow up their own pipeline just like Ukraine didn’t blow up their own dam?

Interesting turn of events.

so Russia didn’t blow up their own pipeline just like Ukraine didn’t blow up their own dam?

Blowing up a pipeline in the middle of the Baltic sea is different from flooding your own country, risking the death of thousands, and evacuation of yet tens of thousands more.

It was Russia that allowed the dam to go unrepaired and then allowed water levels to raise.

But it’s Ukraine’s dam, right?

And just yesterday the story was that Ukraine destroyed the dam to distract from their "failed" counter-offensive. 

They did.

Just now CNN is “carrying water” for Zelensky to distract from that failed (now “summer”) offensive.

Told you all about it yesterday when you all were still claiming Russia attacked and blew it up.

But it’s Ukraine’s dam, right?

In land that Russia occupies. Russia allowed the water levels to raise even knowing dam was damaged.

oh so now they “knew” it was damaged yet they left their own troops right in the place that is the most likely to flood.

getting better and better story with more and more supposed facts.

so Russia didn’t blow up their own pipeline then? That’s settled?

The Russians controlled the dam for months, because they invaded Ukraine.

Russia let the repairs lag and the water build up.

Then there were the explosions on camera.

And flooding is exactly in character for a country of sociopathic tendencies who places no value on the sovereignty of Ukraine or the lives of the Ukrainians even those under its control.

These deflections are just more water carrying for an authoritarian regime.

oh so now they “knew” it was damaged yet they left their own troops right in the place that is the most likely to flood.

If western experts knew it was damaged, the Russians actually on the ground their surely knew it was damaged.

getting better and better story with more and more supposed facts.

Do you have any facts?

How many trillions of dollars in damage have the Russians caused in Ukraine?

They should pay for every penny of it.

oh so now they “knew” it was damaged yet they left their own troops right in the place that is the most likely to flood.

Also, I'd be curious to know why you think it's implausible that Russia would blow the dam killing their soldiers, but it's not implausible that Ukraine would blow the dam and kill their own citizens.

The stuff you are posting is the supposed facts.

any link prior to this week explaining the the dam had damage months ago and the Russians knew about it yet did nothing?

and if all you knew this why you all fought with me and the other guy all day yesterday when we said it collapsed?

you were insistent that Russia attacked and destroyed it!

Until CNN told you the new Ukraine narrative.

you were insistent that Russia attacked and destroyed it!

And your insistent that Ukraine destroyed it, with 0 proof provided.. It's laughable.

Blacklabel

oh so now they “knew” it was damaged yet they left their own troops right in the place that is the most likely to flood.

That is your least convincing argument, yet. Assuming that this army is competent when you can see how they have conducted this war is folly. Just the other day drunken Russian Federation soldiers were laying mines for Wagner mercenaries and firing upon them.

Let's not forget a Ukrainian general bragged about targeting the dam with HIMARS in WP news article posted on the 29th of last year.

There's a lot to uncover with this story, but don't hold your breath - it will probably take as long as the never-ending-story that is the Nord Stream II sabotage investigation, the latest false version of events of which came out ironically the same day as the dam failure.

That's 29th of December 2022, for the WP article.

Black, the dam has been under Russian control for a year. They had control of the spillway gates and powerhouse. They could have controlled the reservoir level.

This wouldn’t be Russia’s first time to this rodeo. Look up the Sayano-Shushenskaya Dam disaster. Poor engineering combined with negligent operation allowed a known defective powerhouse turbine to literally lift out of the powerhouse floor. The water released into the turbine hall shorted the other turbines causing huge explosions that destroyed the powerhouse and caused a flood downstream. There are videos from CCTV. The dam still operates but is structurally compromised and dangerous

JJE

Let's not forget a Ukrainian general bragged about targeting the dam with HIMARS in WP news article posted on the 29th of last year.

HIMARS couldn't destroy a dam.

For the last month or more in the MSM we have been hearing about saboteur groups going around blowing things up in Russia (including the annexed territories).

Bombings of railway lines, fuel depots and electrical lines etc, sometimes with collateral damage, have been trumpeted in the media as evidence of a Ukrainian insurgency dealing a blackeye to the Russians.

And from Tuesday - the day of the dam incident - all mention in the media of saboteurs or saboteur activity has suddenly stopped.

Bizarre stuff..

Russia has so much physical damage to pay for in Ukraine, but what's even worse is the damage to the Ukrainian people in terms of rape and murder of its ordinary citizens. Can a price be applied to such damage? No, not really. However, Russia does need to be reeducated to prevent their nation from committing all of these kinds of war crimes in the future against innocent people, much like what happened during the de-Nazification after WWII in Germany.

And from Tuesday - the day of the dam incident - all mention in the media of saboteurs or saboteur activity has suddenly stopped

Interesting.

Just to be clear, were the MSM talking about saboteurs on a daily basis? Which outlets are you talking about?

What outlets are best for accurate reporting on this?

The Russians blew it. The Ukrainians blew it. The dam collapsed from age, lack of maintenance, and the Russians increased the water level by 18m.

HIMARS was used to attack a highway bridge alongside the dam so the Russians could not use it during the fight for Kherson. It damaged the bridge enough heavy vehicles couldn’t use it.

The Nasties are in the midst of a massive counter offensive in the Zaporozhye region. 100s of NATO tanks and APCs and around 20000 soldiers. The level of carnage for Ukraine/NATO is approaching Iraq's "highway of death" levels. One brigade has refused to order to advance on Russian positions. The Russians haven't budged.

The attack is still ongoing but it's looking very grim for the Nasties and their NATO bosses. This isn't another "Battle for Kursk" at all. That was a highly contested battle and the outcome was in doubt until about 36 hours in. This is a rout!

if you believe that dam was blown by RU click on +

if you believe that dam was blown by UA click on -

Stormcrow, I think the greatest and longest lasting damage to Ukraine will be to her farmland. It is filled with mines and unexploded ordnance that will take years to clear. After that whole forests will have to cleared of mines. The chemical contamination of the land will take years more to correct. It will be a long time before Ukrainian farm production is restored

if you believe that dam was blown by RU click on +

if you believe that dam was blown by UA click on -

I think you got it wrong somehow. Let me try.

if you believe that dam was blown by RU click on +

if you believe that dam was blown by UA click on -

This is obviously Russian caused. They had cut access to the road to the dam on Ukraine side and had previously mined the dam.

HIMARS couldn't destroy a dam.

Any evidence for these "facts"?

Hmm... firing these extremely powerful HIMARS rockets at a dam which later collapsed...

If you believe that dam was blown by RU click on +

People will say Russia did because that's what the media and government tell them to think but no one really believes it. Welcome to capitalism in the West and Japan, circa 2023.

People will say Russia did because that's what the media and government tell them to think 

It’s not what the Kremlin tells Russians to think.

Nobody can understand what you are talking about.

The Nasties are in the midst of a massive counter offensive in the Zaporozhye region. 100s of NATO tanks and APCs and around 20000 soldiers. The level of carnage for Ukraine/NATO is approaching Iraq's "highway of death" levels. One brigade has refused to order to advance on Russian positions. The Russians haven't budged.

The attack is still ongoing but it's looking very grim for the Nasties and their NATO bosses. This isn't another "Battle for Kursk" at all. That was a highly contested battle and the outcome was in doubt until about 36 hours in. This is a rout!

It’s not what the Kremlin tells Russians to think.

Japan is a little better but in most of the collective West (including Germany), what the Kremlin thinks is censored to an unprecedented extent. To think for oneself and say an opinion corresponding to what the Kremlin is saying is a crime!

fallaffelToday  09:59 am JST

Nobody can understand what you are talking about.

The Nasties are in the midst of a massive counter offensive in the Zaporozhye region. 100s of NATO tanks and APCs and around 20000 soldiers. The level of carnage for Ukraine/NATO is approaching Iraq's "highway of death" levels. One brigade has refused to order to advance on Russian positions. The Russians haven't budged.

The attack is still ongoing but it's looking very grim for the Nasties and their NATO bosses. This isn't another "Battle for Kursk" at all. That was a highly contested battle and the outcome was in doubt until about 36 hours in. This is a rout!

Long story short.Heroi are "gone"...and their spring "offensive" as well.Alles klar?

Nobody can understand what you are talking about.

If I draw a pic with crayons to make it easier for you, I would. But alas, I can't.

HIMARS can take out hardened command posts. Feasible a volley of missiles would cause damage to the structure and/or operating mechanisms, degrading functionality.

The Nasties are in the midst of a massive counter offensive in the Zaporozhye region. 100s of NATO tanks and APCs and around 20000 soldiers. The level of carnage for Ukraine/NATO is approaching Iraq's "highway of death" levels. One brigade has refused to order to advance on Russian positions. The Russians haven't budged.

The attack is still ongoing but it's looking very grim for the Nasties and their NATO bosses. This isn't another "Battle for Kursk" at all. That was a highly contested battle and the outcome was in doubt until about 36 hours in. This is a rout!

Nobody can understand what you are talking about.

If I draw a pic with crayons to make it easier for you, I would. But alas, I can't.

Alternatively, You could rejoin objective reality, but that would likely require an intervention.

Not just messages. She also sent organized fundraisers for the invaders.

Thanks for that article. It gets even worse!!!

A man in Hamburg was recently fined €3,000 for displaying the letter "Z" on his car window.

Open fascism is upon us. Trotsky demonstrated that within the shackles of capitalism, governments can't go any other way.

"Nobody can understand what you are talking about. - The Nasties are in the midst of a massive counter offensive in the Zaporozhye region. 100s of NATO tanks and APCs and around 20000 soldiers."

He is probably talking about this - news release by Russian MoD yesterday. Believe it or not , its up to each individual. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

“Over a three-day period, the Ukrainian regime began the long-promised offensive on multiple sections of the front, concentrating a large amount of men and materiel for that purpose,” The losses of Ukraine’s armed forces since June 4 include 3,715 personnel, 52 tanks, 207 armored vehicles, 134 cars, five airplanes, two helicopters, 48 field artillery pieces and 53 drones, Shoigu said in a video message.

“Unfortunately, this was not without casualties of our own,” the defense minister added. While defeating the adversary’s attempt to advance, the Russian military suffered 71 dead, 210 wounded, and the destruction of 15 tanks, nine armored vehicles, two cars and nine artillery pieces, according to Shoigu.

The heaviest fighting took place Monday, with five Ukrainian brigades attacking on seven sections of the frontline. In these clashes, the Ukrainians suffered more than 1,600 casualties and the loss of 136 vehicles, 79 of which were of foreign origin, Shoigu explained. Of the 28 destroyed tanks, eight were German-made ‘Leopards’ and three more the French wheeled AMX-10.

Ukraine “suffered significant and incomparable losses” and did not achieve any of its objectives, the Russian defense minister noted.

Shoigu accused the Ukrainian government of destroying the Kakhovka dam in order to cover its flank along the Dnieper River and prevent a Russian advance, while freeing up troops from that part of the front to redeploy in order to make up the losses elsewhere.  As proof that Ukraine was behind what he called a terrorist act, Shoigu noted that the Dnepropetrovsk hydroelectric plant – under Ukrainian control, further up the river – significantly increased the water flow and contributed to the flooding. Kiev has blamed Moscow and denied any responsibility for the disaster.

He is probably talking about this - news release by Russian MoD yesterday. Believe it or not , its up to each individual. Truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

It's not even close to in the middle.

The Russian MOD said showed how they blew up a Leopard II that was just sitting in an open field (Only Russians would be this stupid with a valuable armored asset.).

Turns out it was a John Deer Planter.

They cannot even differentiate between armor and farm equipment. Or maybe they can but they need something, ANYTHING to put out to show that they are not as incompetent as they really are.

Alternatively, You could rejoin objective reality, but that would likely require an intervention.

That is the easiest way to deal with the unprecedented blood-letting the Nasties and their NATO "kamerden" are being given right now is to pretend it isn't happening. Pretend all you like but it won't change the reality.

But I'm wrong to gloat. It's not over yet. Just looking very grim for Ukraine/NATO. News in real time from the front is that the Russians still haven't left their forward defensive positions. It's 3:18 or 4:18 in the morning in the Zaporozhye region right now. Should see video coming out in a few hours.

news release by Russian MoD yesterday.

This is happening right now! At 10:20 Japan time on June 8th, 2023.

Ukraine destruction and failed state path continues as does fog of war. Exodus of Ukraine refugees picking up speed as economy, infrastructure and environment destroyed daily, while innocents suffer greatly.

Let's hope much needed peace and compromise can happen sooner rather than before it is too late. Surely more such man-made disasters will continue non-stop in the meanwhile, that's WAR after all.

It's not even close to in the middle. The Russian MOD said showed how they blew up a Leopard II that was just sitting in an open field (Only Russians would be this stupid with a valuable armored asset.). Turns out it was a John Deer Planter. They cannot even differentiate between armor and farm equipment. 

Feel free to post your own own official information. Not only one liners.

Russia let the water levels rise to a record high. This must have been partly to send maximum water flow to Crimea where all the reservoirs have apparently recently been filled.

Russia planted explosives along the length of the dam way back last October. But reading between the lines (forgive me, I do not watch CNN like most of you) it does seem that the dam started to self destruct from about the 2nd of June.

Ok, so none of this happened. Look, seriously, we know that posting against Russia from where you are based is difficult. If you want help to escape, there are avenues you can use.

One avenue I couldn't use is to fly from Russia to Europe, North America or Japan. Also I think a lot of the road crossings are closed. Not because of Russia but because those regimes banned it. Have to go via Armenia or Kazakhstan.

Though the Russians did stop Finns getting visiting for a day, stocking up on food and fuel and going back to Finland. From now Finns will have to get used to freezing and starving. Thank you USA!

Are Kiev regime forces at Red square already?

Or did I missed anything?

Have any Ukrainians at all died from this or is it only “many” Russians?

The Russians have released video of the underground passages in Artemovsk / Bakhmut. They are not tunnels infantry could use but roads tanks could use. The Russians will be able to store a lot of ammunition, weapons and food in safety very close to the front.

But I still think they should send 1 million heavily armed men down from White Russia and cut off the Polish border completely. That many will be needed to "dissuade" NATO scum from attacking.

Have any Ukrainians at all died from this or is it only “many” Russians?

I'm sure some have. Any reason to suspect otherwise?

https://liveuamap.com/

Thanks Russia. I'm sure "your people" in southern Ukraine are glad you are there.

But have they really, factually?

It’s your entire argument for why Ukraine could not have done it.

So who died? Ukraine said only that it was many Russians. Was it?

Or who is lying?

That is the easiest way to deal with the unprecedented blood-letting the Nasties and their NATO "kamerden" are being given right now is to pretend it isn't happening. Pretend all you like but it won't change the reality.

Get help: Pharmacological, Cognitive or Surgical. Because you are not in objective reality.

You will feel much better afterwards I am sure.

JJE

Hmm... firing these extremely powerful HIMARS rockets at a dam which later collapsed...

HIMARS can't even take out part of a bridge.

Eastman

This is obviously Russian caused. They had cut access to the road to the dam on Ukraine side and had previously mined the dam.

HIMARS couldn't destroy a dam.

Any evidence for these "facts"?

Yes.

Most of the Leopard tanks have already been destroyed.

Leopard tractors*

2020hindsightsToday 11:17 am JST

Eastman

This is obviously Russian caused. They had cut access to the road to the dam on Ukraine side and had previously mined the dam.

HIMARS couldn't destroy a dam.

Any evidence for these "facts"?

Yes.

What ol' Jack Burton always says

Most of the Leopard tanks have already been destroyed.

I think you'll find those Leopard tanks were actually John Deer Combine Harvesters.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-army-boasts-its-destroyed-30174047

makes it easier for Russia to defend it's positions,

They has to evacuate their position because it got flooded.

so they can’t defend it anymore, right?

@What ol' Jack Burton always saysToday 11:20 am JST

What an aweful catastrophe this sounds like.

Yes, Putin's war is a crime against humanity in itself.

The perfect opportunity for Zelenskyy and Putin to start negotiating peace asap

Not until troops are withdrawn because land is forever and this land will forever belong to Ukraine.

so they can’t defend it anymore, right?

lol No. Ukraine can't attack their, obviously.

And many of the people who would have defended it are now dead, killed in the flood.

see how this makes zero sense by now?

let’s flood our position so we have to evacuate it. Then Kill many of our own soldiers.

then its sooooo much easier with less people and and evacuated position to defend what we already had.

see how this makes zero sense by now?

No. You claiming Ukraine makes 0 sense. I have yet to see any proof Ukraine did it.