NRA head digs in against gun control

In my opinion, the NRA wields far too much influence over the politics of gun control in the US.

The country, and more importantly THE PEOPLE of the US would be better served without them!

LaPierre warned President Donald Trump

Hold on a second: during the election GoTrumpers (US and 'foreign) repeatedly said Trump's so rich (Has anyone seen his latest tax info?) that he'd be the first truly indie US president, beholden to no one. Now I'm reading he was warned by a guns and ammo lobbyist, a lobbyist whose organization worked with Russians to help lobby for Trump's election.

If Trump follows the directions given by LaPierre and the guns and ammo industries maybe GoTrumpers might start to re-assess their claims. hee hee Especially if the public can learn how much the NRA etal have contributed to Trump, Moscow Mitch, Leningrad Lindsey G. and their ilk. And then there's Sheldon Adelson and his huge contributions to Trump. And dealing with China to get more trademarks for Ivanka and Trump Inc. Trump an indie? hee hee

Imagine if a book club had such power.

The country, and more importantly THE PEOPLE of the US would be better served without them!

The NRA doesn’t have any power at all - but the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution has a great deal of power and influence. If the goal is to ban some or all guns, the NRA is the wrong target.

LaPierre is a far-right, ranting, raving nut - where does the far-right get these kooks - Moscow?

A majority of NRA members support 100% background checks, they support closing the gun show loophole - yet this nut thinks every house ought to have an armory that would make the local National Guard jealous.

Sending him packing - and I don't mean concealed carry....

Last gasp from what is likely a dying organization. Once they lose their tax exempt status, which they have been violating for years now, they can't survive. A truly hideous organization with the blood of thousands on it.

I see that the Death Cult otherwise known as the NRA is perfectly willing to continue on with the sacrifice of 30,000 people a year to their bloody cordite smelling idol. That as long as their golden calf is allowed to continue, they will accept any loss of life, anything really, just to bow down in worship to their fears and their semi-automatic lord.

Pathetic, vomitous, and totally expected.

LaPierre is a straight up nutjob. Research some of his quotes. End of days stuff.

92% of Americans want background checks.

The NRA is losing....all the Russian rubles in the world won't help.

NRA...Not Really American anymore

Russia Russia Russia again. Will you guys ever give it up. Likely not.

The NRA doesn’t have any power at all - but the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution has a great deal of power and influence. If the goal is to ban some or all guns, the NRA is the wrong target.

Oh come on?!?!?! Do you actually BELIEVE what you wrote here?

This is like saying the catholic church has no power either! And that they are "protected" by the power of the constitution regarding the separation of church and state!

As a political lobbying group the NRA through its leadership and membership have been against gun control for at least a generation.

How much longer is the American public going to just lay there and take it by the NRA and their Republican puppets? These people are blinded by their own greed.

At least take the AK-style assault rifles off the market and off the streets.

92% of Americans want background checks.

BS! What poll, who was sampled? How many gun owners vs anti gun haters, liberals, conservatives and independents, how about among rich or poor, black or white?

The NRA is losing....all the Russian rubles in the world won't help.

I don’t believe that for a second as a member, yes, we do have some internal disagreements, but as a whole, No.

NRA...Not Really American anymore.

No, they’re made in the States not China.

Russia Russia Russia again. Will you guys ever give it up. Likely not.

If you were on the losing end, you’d use the same lifeline as well.

Last I heard, you couldn't take a gun to an NRA meeting or rally. They don't even believe what they're preaching!

@blacklab Russia Russia Russia again

It sounds like once again a Trump backer believes reports from the Kremlin about Russian 'meddling', not those from US and other 'western' intelligence agencies. NRA supporters, too.

Russia Russia Russia again. Will you guys ever give it up. Likely not.

It's called denial....

A federal judge sentenced the Russian gun-rights activist Maria Butina to 18 months in prison on Friday, after she tried to infiltrate US conservative groups and the National Rifle Association to promote Russian political interests around the 2016 election.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/26/maria-butina-sentenced-18-months-russia-nra

92% of Americans want background checks.

BS! What poll, who was sampled? How many gun owners vs anti gun haters, liberals, conservatives and independents, how about among rich or poor, black or white?

How about a Fox News poll...still BS?

By a 13-point margin, voters consider protecting against gun violence more important than protecting gun rights (53-40 percent). In addition, there’s substantial support for specific measures to reduce gun violence, including: requiring criminal background checks on all gun buyers (91 percent), requiring mental health checks on all gun buyers (84 percent), raising the age to buy all guns to 21 (72 percent), putting armed guards in schools (69 percent), and banning assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons (60 percent).

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act

The topic is the NRA. Has nothing to do with Russia, Russians, or rubles.

The topic is the NRA. Has nothing to do with Russia, Russians, or rubles.

Russia/NRA inseparable. Unless you only trust the Kremlin.

LaPierre is a far-right, ranting, raving nut - where does the far-right get these kooks - Moscow?

No, Leningrad, lincoln. Get it straight, lol.

I am for reasonable gun control laws. I am not for taking guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens who are not mentally unstable.

Far more effective measures against massacres would be improving mental health care.

So, let's see, the Dayton shooting puts paid to the argument 'more good guys with guns are the solution' (three 'good guys' -cops- literally just around the corner, and they killed the gunman in less than a minute from the time he opened fire, and yet the number of dead qualifies it as a 'mass shooting')

And the gun was 'legally purchased', so the 'it would be useless to tighten up the gun control laws' argument also turns out to be a lie, too.

And then there's the lie about the Second Amendment being the problem, not the NRA (the 2ND was intended to be a gun control law, and was effective and recognized as a gun control law, until it was 'creatively' reinterpreted, thanks in no small part to the NRA political lobbying and threats.

Ah, the endless gun debate. It always ends up with, "The USA will never learn"... and then there's another shooting.

The NRA existed when we were enemies with Russia. So Russia has always supported an armed USA population?

or just suddenly since Jan 2017?

Far more effective measures against massacres would be improving mental health care.

Then why do republicans constantly try to hit funding for mental health care?

Hilarious that certain posters disparage polls when one goes against their delusional thinking and then embrace them when they feed into that delusional thinking.

Sorry of my comments are random time-wise. I'm on my private jet back to my weekend home in Texas - or is it California - from a doctor's appointment on a US base that does not exist in Oita. Needed to have a slight wound I received whilst acting as a sound person - or is it a journalist? - in Syria whilst I was serving my country.

The NRA existed when we were enemies with Russia. So Russia has always supported an armed USA population?

The GOP existed when we were enemies with Russia, but that didn't stop the GOP from accept help from Russia to get Donny elected.

Photo caption: We want more blood!

It's called denial....

That the Russia hoax is over?

A federal judge sentenced the Russian gun-rights activist Maria Butina to 18 months in prison on Friday, after she tried to infiltrate US conservative groups and the National Rifle Association to promote Russian political interests around the 2016 election.

One Russian woman, ok.....

How about a Fox News poll...still BS?

By a 13-point margin, voters consider protecting against gun violence more important than protecting gun rights (53-40 percent).

Not unreasonable.

In addition, there’s substantial support for specific measures to reduce gun violence, including: requiring criminal background checks on all gun buyers (91 percent)

Agree.

, requiring mental health checks on all gun buyers (84 percent),

Agree.

raising the age to buy all guns to 21 (72 percent),

It depends.

putting armed guards in schools (69 percent),

Agree.

and banning assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons (60 percent).

I really don’t care because it won’t make a difference.

Sometimes I get the impression that the NRA would like a newborn babies to be issued a gun license at the time of birth, just like a social security number!

LaPierre is a far-right, ranting, raving nut - where does the far-right get these kooks - Moscow?

No, lincoln. Get it straight, lol

No, you may want to get to get is straight...

The NRA is nothing more than a Russian front organization in America - it no longer represents its members, who support common sense gun control, as evidenced by the Fox News poll. The group now is a political lobbying group for Russian efforts to infiltrate America. Too bad you can't see it...

For the first time since the National Rifle Association's links to Russia became a matter of public interest, the gun advocacy organization released a statement about a trip high-ranking members of the group took to Moscow in 2015.

The organization's lawyers told The New York Times that the NRA's chief executive had forbidden members of the association from joining the delegation that went to Russia, and noted that the NRA's then-president Allan Cors had decided not to go on the trip.

But despite attempts to minimize the involvement of its top officials, analysts say there is ample evidence that the organization had deeps ties to Russia and a longstanding relationship with Russian guns rights activist Maria Butina, who was recently charged for attempting to infiltrate Republican political circles on behalf of the Russian government.

https://www.newsweek.com/nra-russia-spy-maria-butina-1312042

Never mind the statistics that evidence fewer mass shooting when the assault weapons ban was in place between 94 and 04.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/30188421/

Whew! Using Google to get facts so I don't look like a moron when posting was arduous. So arduous that I need a nap now.

So where will the next massacre be? Who will be next?

It's not if, but when.

yubaru:

Sometimes I get the impression that the NRA would like a newborn babies to be issued a gun license at the time of birth, just like a social security number!

You're not too far off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKhEJIV6Y-Y

 because you can take your average deer rifle which is semi automatic and convert it

Except that your 'average deer rifle' isn't semi-automatic. In fact, on this list

https://thegearhunt.com/best-hunting-rifles-reviewed/

and this list

https://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hunting/10-best-deer-guns-hunting-today/

there is only one semi-automatic rifle, and that's an AR-style clone.

Nearly every other deer rifle, from the Winchester Model 70 to the Remington 700 to even a Marlin or Ruger, is a bolt action rifle (with one lever action being the exception).

So we can stop with that particular fallacy now as well.

your average deer rifle which is semi automatic and convert it

Only people incompetent with firearms and hunting use semi-autos to harvest game.

It didn’t stop overall gun violence, because liberals are not factoring in the Black community and the gun violence that has completely wrecked havoc and decimated the community.

Blaming black people again. We were discussing mass shootings, not overall gun violence. Here you are trying to twist the conversation out of context again so you don't have to admit you were incorrect. It's called rguing in bad faith.

but to ban all assault weapons, you can do that, but it will never curtail the problem of mass shootings.

Never mind the evidence I provided that demonstrates that the assault weapons ban did curtail mass shootings.

Then again, we do know that conservatives think if we can't completely solve a problem in one go, we shouldn't do anything at all.

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Yubaru - In my opinion, the NRA wields far too much influence over the politics of gun control in the US.

The country, and more importantly THE PEOPLE of the US would be better served without them!

Obviously, THE PEOPLE of the US don't feel the same way. At least not according to years of election results.

lincolnman - A majority of NRA members support 100% background checks, they support closing the gun show loophole

Where did you get your information from? The Russians? Comey? CNN?

Obviously, THE PEOPLE of the US don't feel the same way. At least not according to years of election results.

Anyone else see the glaring logic failure here? Should we explain it?

Obviously, THE PEOPLE of the US don't feel the same way. At least not according to years of election results.

You mean like the 2018 Midterm elections? What happened there again?

See what I think is there should be a grass roots movement at the micro level where a committee is formed, and door to door surveys of communities are taken, with a police escort, so it cannot be claimed it was done by the government or fascist control. The police would only serve as protection from any fanatics and give it a feel of legitimacy. The survey would involve a knock on every door of the community with such questions as "do you own a gun, what caliber, if you own a semi auto, would you be willing to trade it for something less dangerous? any history of mental illness? do you have a felony? does your felony prevent you from protecting yourself? All of these people would then be invited to a discussion where the real change would begin.

Im also for on a case by case basis people with felonies or convictions being allowed in public office.

door to door surveys of communities are taken, with a police escort, so it cannot be claimed it was done by the government or fascist control.

Anyone else see the logic failure here?

Anyone else see the logic failure here?

Yes I do and its with you. No solution, but resignation. I might have it backwards, It might be the government has to do the survey. whatever, it has to start at the micro level, and if successful, that could launch a pilot program that is used elsewhere.

See your solution is more Don Lemon today, more commentary, more NRA digs in, more of the same. Thats all noise dude.

SuperLib - So where will the next massacre be? Who will be next?

It's not if, but when.

It has already occurred. Another evil monster has used an inanimate object to mass murder another 4 people and injure many more. It's always amazing when these inanimate objects magically murder people. I was always under the impression that inanimate objects needed to be wielded by human beings before it becomes dangerous.

Garden Grove, California - A man "full of anger" stabbed, slashed and robbed his way across two Southern California cities in a bloody rampage that killed four people and wounded two others who were apparently targeted at random, authorities said.

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/4-killed-in-2-california-cities-after-man-goes-on-stabbing-rampage/ar-AAFxezJ

TheLongTermer - See what I think is there should be a grass roots movement at the micro level where a committee is formed, and door to door surveys of communities are taken, with a police escort, so it cannot be claimed it was done by the government or fascist control.

I don't think you have really thought this idea thru. The police are part of the government.

It has already occurred. Another evil monster has used an inanimate object to mass murder another 4 people and injure many more.

Two wounded people is "many more"?

It's always amazing when these inanimate objects magically murder people. I was always under the impression that inanimate objects needed to be wielded by human beings before it becomes dangerous.

Imagine how many more would have been killed or wounded had this nut job used a firearm?

lincolnman - A majority of NRA members support 100% background checks, they support closing the gun show loophole

Where did you get your information from? The Russians? Comey? CNN?

Russians? You mean Butina - NRA darling and Russian intel asset?

As for background checks, the info is easily available for those capable of looking for it...

A Monmouth University poll released Thursday finds that 69 percent of NRA members support comprehensive background checks. Among gun owners not in the organization, 78 percent support requiring background checks for all firearm purchases.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/377455-poll-most-nra-members-support-comprehensive-background-checks

Here's another one you may like - though the source has been known to mirror Russian propaganda...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act

Chip Star - Anyone else see the glaring logic failure here? Should we explain it?

Yes, please explain why your version of firearm registration and confiscation has not become the law of the land. It appears that your side simply does not have the votes to turn your fantasy into reality.

In the U.S., There are still more Republican governors, and Republican-controlled legislatures, than Democrat governors, and Democrat-controlled legislatures.

You could front it with a Buddhist group, "we are concerned for you and yours" whatever makes people give up the data. Do it in Church congregations...you know, use some intelligence. I dont wont to debate you anymore about what the NRA is doing, or the latest shooting etc. That will be here tomorrow, and so will you, with no solution or no start.

I don't think you have really thought this idea thru. The police are part of the government.

And we finally get to the real reason the pro-gun folks here want to keep their arsenals at home - fear of the "government" - you know, the "black helicopters" hovering over your home with black clad government agents roping down to confiscate all your treasured guns....

The government, as in our police, fire fighters, military, and all the other agencies helping keep us safe - they can't be trusted...

That's the kind of crazed nut-job conspiracy theories these folks believe - and if they believe that, and also believe you can't have any mental problems to own a gun, they should turn all their arsenals in to the nearest police station...

you start with data. Who is who. The young man being bullied, need to be inclusive. Talk. Its not to ostracize somebody. we are watching you, but not here to make you feel left out. We got this.

I mean there are outstanding programs, things that could be done. Its up to us to turn it around.

This coward and scumbag won't even let guns into the NRA meetings, but wants them in schools. Why not in the NRA meetings? "It's Dangerous!" He doesn't have to worry as long as Massacre Mitch is in his Pocket.

And we finally get to the real reason the pro-gun folks here want to keep their arsenals at home - fear of the "government" -

That’s one reason.

you know, the "black helicopters" hovering over your home with black clad government agents roping down to confiscate all your treasured guns....

Lol, No one believes that, but we do believe that Democrats do anything if they have full power to do whatever they could to undermine or try to reform the Second Amendment.

The government, as in our police, fire fighters, military, and all the other agencies helping keep us safe - they can't be trusted...

Tell that to the people that lived through Katrina.

That's the kind of crazed nut-job conspiracy theories these folks believe - and if they believe that, and also believe you can't have any mental problems to own a gun, they should turn all their arsenals in to the nearest police station.

Whatever....anyway, given the fact that how the Democrats or the last three years have been conducting themselves and trying to undermine and have been trying to take down a duly elected president, it’s even more crazier and more nefarious and insidious then we have previously thought, so of course gun sales are going up and more people are making sure that they are prepared and ready, in the future, and you’re talking about all colors of the spectrum of Americans as well as republicans and conservatives, liberals and Democrats and independents

there has to be a catalyst for change. For ex. if the Japanese would of won midway and worked their way to the West Coast of the US, do you think they would of allowed the occupied West coast citizens to keep firearms? They would of went door to door, confiscating every weapon and those who refused, kill them, and leave their bodies for the rest to see, like they did in Singapore. All of those divisions, shootings would disappear over night. That would be the catalyst for change, that dictatorships use.

Lew Quan Yew experienced this and thats why there is now a death penalty for drugs and firearms in SG

The PRA will do the same in HK because resistance challenges their authority.

People can change, they just make excuses as to why they cant. There is always somebody that can come take your spot, and show you how dumb you was. My point is, There are many intelligent non violent ways of doing it. It starts with a catalyst. Over 400? shootings since Columbine...I would think that would be the catalyst.

For me it is. So now its time to ditch what isnt working and start at the micro level.

.....,and helped create a culture in which Republicans don't dare touch gun-control measures, even after massacres of children.

NRA essentially bribing politicians to ignore child massacres. Cool country eh.

Yes, America is dangerous, don’t come here.

lincolnman - And we finally get to the real reason the pro-gun folks here want to keep their arsenals at home - fear of the "government" - you know, the "black helicopters" hovering over your home with black clad government agents roping down to confiscate all your treasured guns....

I believe the real reason Democrats can't convince more voters to accept their versions of gun control, and confiscation, is because too many voters simply do not trust the usual biased political blather being spouted by untrustworthy Democrats, and their pet news media outlets.

TheLongTermer - . Oer 400? shootings since Columbine

The Columbine monsters were bombers. You could have confiscated all of their firearms and they would still have found a way to murder people.

The Columbine monsters were bombers. You could have confiscated all of their firearms and they would still have found a way to murder people.

but thats another case in point; the trench coat mafia. why was that allowed to fester, to grow?

its like our generation, can "see" our third eye is not blind, so why cant you check that?

its like "young man come here lets have a talk" then the principle has a talk. Then with the parents. Then through creative steering, get him or her into some activity.

I'm all for guns and for gun control of some kind. I’m looking at mental health and police history. I do understand people want the freedom to buy a gun. It’s a game. But background checks are important as are frequent renewal checks, no different from the one you’d get for your first license. That said, I also think the ad ‘people kill, not guns’ is true. We have an increasingly mentally sick world where liberalism is the word of the day, both on the right as well as on the left. We can make a middle ground where both the NRA and the average citizen is comfortable. We need to create a more peaceful way of thinking, not only externally but mentally.

Chip Star - Two wounded people is "many more"?

Two injured is two too many. How are the Democrats going to identify, and stop, these monsters from becoming lethal monsters? Will banning inanimate objects stop "nut jobs" from planning, and carrying out, murder, or mass-murder, with knives, bombs, firearms, or vehicles?

Imagine how many more would have been killed or wounded had this nut job used a firearm?

Imagine how many would NOT have been murdered, or wounded, if these monsters had been identified and dealt with BEFORE they became lethal.

What is the reason behind the NRA not allowing firearms into their meetings?

Is it a safety thing?

We have an increasingly mentally sick world where liberalism is the word of the day,

What is the evidence for this mental illness epidemic? And if one of the symptoms of this apparent epidemic is for people to unexpectedly go on the rampage with legally held fire arms, isn't this a good argument for backgrounds checks, licencing and limiting access to assualt weapons?

Also, when a white guy kills brown people is it mental illness, but when brown people kill white people is it "terror"?

And we finally get to the real reason the pro-gun folks here want to keep their arsenals at home - fear of the "government" -

That’s one reason.

BINGO! Next time a Trumper says they love their country, ask them why they need guns to protect themselves from it?

you know, the "black helicopters" hovering over your home with black clad government agents roping down to confiscate all your treasured guns....

Lol, No one believes that, but we do believe that Democrats do anything if they have full power to do whatever they could to undermine or try to reform the Second Amendment.

So no one believes that - unless the Democrats are in power....Hmmm.....

The government, as in our police, fire fighters, military, and all the other agencies helping keep us safe - they can't be trusted...

Tell that to the people that lived through Katrina.

A Repub cites a Repub President's worst failure...OK...

That's the kind of crazed nut-job conspiracy theories these folks believe - and if they believe that, and also believe you can't have any mental problems to own a gun, they should turn all their arsenals in to the nearest police station.

Whatever....anyway, given the fact that how the Democrats or the last three years have been conducting themselves and trying to undermine and have been trying to take down a duly elected president, it’s even more crazier and more nefarious and insidious then we have previously thought, so of course gun sales are going up and more people are making sure that they are prepared and ready, in the future, and you’re talking about all colors of the spectrum of Americans as well as republicans and conservatives, liberals and Democrats and independents

"Whatever" - that's a real convincing reply....you might as well say I agree with you...

Imagine how many more would have been killed or wounded had this nut job used a firearm?

Imagine how many would NOT have been murdered, or wounded, if these monsters had been identified and dealt with BEFORE they became lethal.

Yea, sure, there wouldn't have been anymore injured if this clown had an AR-15 and a 100 round drum magazine - that's the level of gun stupid we're dealing with here...

As for identifying and dealing with them before, start with all the gun nuts who have arsenals in their basements because they have a penis inferiority complex or think the FBI is going to storm their house and take their guns...

Yeah, well, whatever.

Here's how you stop mass shootings: Ban automatic weapons.

Ban them now.

As for identifying and dealing with them before, start with all the gun nuts who have arsenals in their basements 

Bingo!

In addition to questionable - at best - sanity, the arsenal owners are likely to have their weapons stolen by a criminal, adding even more weapons to a country with far too many of them.

Criminals steal more than 237,000 guns from legal American gun owners every year

https://www.businessinsider.com/criminals-steal-guns-from-legal-gun-owners-2017-11

the statement above should have read "... even more weapons for criminals to have in a country with far too many of both.'

LaPierre is more concerned about building an extension to his mansion than the gun laws.

Absolutely true - but as bad as this is, at least it's just common fraud. What really bothers me are the trips to Moscow, the embracing of Russian intel asset Maria Butina, the linkages to Russian far right groups and Putin henchmen...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/nra-russia-investigations-gun-lobby

It's become a Russian front organization - promoting Russian interests to undermine our democracy...

And it's no accident its aligned with Trump and the Republican Party...

I believe the real reason Democrats can't convince more voters to accept their versions of gun control, and confiscation

is because Dems don't want to confiscate firearms.

LePierre is a foaming at the mouth old zombie.

Like most US Republicans.

In addition, there’s substantial support for specific measures to reduce gun violence, including: requiring criminal background checks on all gun buyers (91 percent)

Agree.

?? That's the very claim you said was BS. You think it's BS and you agree with it??

what they tried to do to congressman Scalise

That's not the shooter's fault. It was his security detail that was incompetent and outgunned. Plus Scalise himself should have been armed. It was Scalise's fault.

The NRA is a cult. NRA membership feels just go for private jets and luxury items for Wayne LaPierre. It's like Scientology. NRA members are suckers paying into a cult.

After watching the LA riots, watching Ferguson

Watching cops beat and kill unarmed black people is a reason why you need a firearm?

Watching cops beat and kill unarmed black people is a reason why you need a firearm?

You mean, the riots started themselves? Interesting...

You mean, the riots started themselves? Interesting...

That's not even a logical inference from my post. I meant the police brutalizing black people caused the riots.