Weekend gun violence in Chicago leaves 10 dead, 43 injured

It would be interesting to see a racial breakdown of these statistics to see who the shooters were, but that might be politically incorrect.

". . . some of the shootings involved people he contends should not have been on the streets."

Build more prisons?

'Chicago', another far-right dog-whistle.

As long as the guns and ammo industries remain so profitable and powerful expect gun violence to continue unchecked. And even worsen in all communities regardless income levels.

A city in America with strict gun control is like a no peeing section in a swimming pool.

P. Smith

This means firearms are, and do, flow into Chicago from surrounding locales without stringent firearms laws

That's true. The commonly quoted figure for Chicago's crime guns sourced from outside Chicago is 60%. But, while unregistered firearms are often used in shootings, and getting illegal weapons off the streets is important, the ability of police to reduce the flow is no guarantee of reducing the violence in any meaningful way. A person who really wants to get a gun is going to get one. That said, just because it won't immediately reduce or stop gun violence, doesn't mean it shouldn't be pursued. I'm sure it would have an effect over time. After all, if your first round of chemotherapy doesn't cure your cancer, you don't just throw your hands up and say, "Well, we tried."

I think the violence is more to do with high levels of poverty, and lack of economic opportunity for people who have been disenfranchised by the criminal justice system. Different approaches - non police approaches - should be considered, because a police department's job isn't to solve structural disadvantages many communities with high gun violence face. They don’t run schools or create many jobs, and they are not responsible for making sure that people have other options they need to hopefully steer them away from crime and violence. Organisations such as Chicago's Violence Interruptors and READI use community based approaches such as outreach, training and cognitive behavioural therapy for men at high risk of becoming victims or perpetrators of gun violence.

https://time.com/5757773/inner-city-gun-violence/

https://www.heartlandalliance.org/readi/

It’s Chicago, why is everyone shocked? Sad, but nothing new.

As long as the guns and ammo industries remain so profitable and powerful expect gun violence to continue unchecked. And even worsen in all communities regardless income levels.

That’s not the problem of Chicago, the problem is the leadership of that city and you can ask any police officer and they will tell you that the leaders of that city have not done anything in over 60 years to curtail the violence that continues to further erode a once great city

bass4funk,

So you often say, but as the Wall Street Journal notes:

Though many of America’s biggest cities are run by Democrats, the rise in killings is a bipartisan problem. Homicides are rising at a double-digit rate in most of the big cities run by Republicans, including Miami, San Diego, Omaha, Tulsa, Okla., and Jacksonville, Fla., as well as in cities run by Democrats and in the two major cities run by Independents: San Antonio and Las Vegas.

This, as thefts have dropped by 26% and sexual assaults by 19% in Chicago. In fact, robbery, theft and motor vehicle theft remain at 20-year lows.

So you often say

Yes, so why aren’t the Democrat leaders doing anything about it?

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/chicago-75-murdered-are-black-71-murderers-are-black/

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-crime-shootings-weekend-violence-murders/6346844/

Sad, but they never cared and yet, people still put these same crazy people in office.

bass,

I'm not disputing the problem. I am saying that a) it can't be blamed purely on democratic leadership (or lack thereof) because it appears to be widespread over American cities, and b) other crime rates have dropped, so it can't be blamed on poor law enforcement.

I am saying that a) it can't be blamed purely on democratic leadership (or lack thereof) because it appears to be widespread over American cities,

Yes and it’s mostly in predominantly minority communities

and b) other crime rates have dropped, so it can't be blamed on poor law enforcement.

Not quite sadly.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/08/14/violence-hurts-the-communities-protesters-want-to-protect/

its just an inconvenience because most of the shooters and people murdered are Black. 

So Democrats have to pretend it isnt happening to cover up their inaction on solving the problem. 

Even more so when it is election time and they want to demand the Black vote while having done nothing for the Black community

100% Spot on!

bass,

Your link is behind a paywall. And seems to be about looting and vandalism in Minnesota. Which I oppose, by the way. And doesn't address the point you wish to counter, which is that sexual assault, theft, and motor vehicle theft are at 20-year lows in Chicago.

Your link is behind a paywall. And seems to be about looting and vandalism in Minnesota.

No, it’s about the historic truth of that city

Which I oppose, by the way. And doesn't address the point you wish to counter, which is that sexual assault, theft, and motor vehicle theft are at 20-year lows in Chicago

Sorry, that has nothing to do with the black on black crime and skyrocketing crime in Chicago in the record number of police are leaving the city, please don’t deflect.

bass,

please don’t deflect.

Your link to an article about current crime spikes in Minnesota does not counter my point about decades long falling non-violent crime trends in Chicago.

We're just last-wording it now, so go ahead. And thanks for the discussion.

Your link to an article about current crime spikes in Minnesota does not counter my point about decades long falling non-violent crime trends in Chicago. 

actually it does, because I have never heard a single Democrat or any of the liberals talk about how they are going to handle the escalating crime rate in that city.