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And after that deadline passes, the UN will implement a much more severe 12 week deadline just to show Assad how serious they are. Don't mess with the UN or you will get deadline after deadline until you submit to their will and are left crying for your Mommy.

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Considering what happened in Libya, I am not quite sure Assad will share in your sense of humor.

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The Syrian government has a moral and legal obligation to provide safety and security to its citizens.

You can't ask them to pull out all police officers and government officials and let lawless armed gangs run wild.

Considering that most of the armed rebels have crossed in from Turkey, it would be irresponsible to let the Turkish-based gangs run each town as their private fiefdom.

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Considering that most of the armed rebels have crossed in from Turkey

Actually, considering that most of the armed rebels are crossing back from Turkey to Syria, where they are originally from and where they originally crossed from, it would be irrelevant to push the 'Turkey-based' aspect too much.

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Easy solution to this problem is to have the west order withdrawal of any "rebel" fighters who are not Syrian. That should eliminate about 80% of them. Nato should withdraw all of the mercenaries they have in their also. Since Assad has 80% of the people behind him, he should negotiate fairly with the 20% or so against him to bring reforms. First, the killing of the Syrian people by Nato's thugs must end. The west should give up on regime change... let the Syrian people decide.

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Another Arab country on its slow way down the toilet.

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Chuck,

That sure is a lot of claims of specific percentages. I certainly would like to see the source of your information. Would you mind providing it?

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Syria's ambassador to Iraq has defected to the opposition and urged other senior Syrian politicians and members of the military to do the same.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18806469

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Western governments are offering a huge bounty to anyone who defects.

The only surprise is that so few people are taking it.

Only the odd officer and a few irrelevant diplomats. Maybe next the Syrian ambassador to the Maldives will take the bait and we can ooh and aah about that for weeks.

The reality is that despite the desperate attempts by the West to destabilize Syria the country is holding together remarkably well. The People are by and large behind their army and their government and they're united against the foreign-backed rebels that are coming in from Turkey.

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Western governments are offering a huge bounty to anyone who defects.

The only surprise is that so few people are taking it.

Only the odd officer and a few irrelevant diplomats. Maybe next the Syrian ambassador to the Maldives will take the bait and we can ooh and aah about that for weeks.

The reality is that despite the desperate attempts by the West to destabilize Syria the country is holding together remarkably well. The People are by and large behind their army and their government and they're united against the foreign-backed rebels that are coming in from Turkey.

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Yawn your conspiracy theories are getting boring.

Bring back the Blackwater element, and the extra-terrestrials. And the lizards.

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against the foreign-backed rebels that are coming in from Turkey.

Again, they are not 'coming from Turkey'. They are coming back from Turkey.

Only the odd officer and a few irrelevant diplomats.

Ummm, I have a feeling Assad would disagree with your assessment. From around June 20th to the 25th a Syrian general, two colonels, a major and a lieutenant defected with 33 other soldiers.In addition, two brigadier generals and two colonels from Aleppo announced their defection in an opposition video and on the same day a Syrian Air Force pilot, who was both a colonel and a squadron commander, flew his MIG-21 to Jordan to seek asylum.

That is neither 'a few', nor are these people irrelevant.

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and the extra-terrestrials. And the lizards.

I don't get it. Who and when was there any reference to the above?

As far as I can remember the only person talking about Aliens and Reptiles is you.

Why try to muddy the water with such nonsense.

I feel it's because your argument is weak on facts and logic, so you resort to nonsense like aliens and lizards.

If you were truly confident in your position you would have never gone down that road.

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"I feel it's because your argument is weak on facts and logic"

Your allegations have been proven to be false and fanciful from the start of this conflict. You do not have any credibility. The brutal Assad regime that has spent the last 15 months or so putting down the home-grown uprising, that you have championed, is crumbling. Have a Kleenex.

"Who and when was there any reference to the above?"

My bad, I got you mixed up with David Icke, your theories just sound so similar.

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I don't get it.

I believe it is a tongue in cheek way of suggesting you have made an awful lot of claims about things you have rather consistenly had trouble backing up, ie: Blackwater and foreigners running around the streets of Syria speaking foreign languages, to name just a couple.

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Oh snap, big scary deadline coming up. Because those always work.

If you were truly confident in your position you would have never gone down that road.

To understand some of the posters on this site many of us are forced to severly scew our sense of logic and common sense. Like when people claim that mercenary armies are descending upon a foreign country but they can never back the claim up. Its like they live in a world it can't just be protestors vs a despotic government with a larger world fully prepared to do nothing but sputter and groan, there has to be a malevolent west and a misunderstood dictator standing against foreign powers by ruthlessly burning and shelling thousands of his own people for the greater good.

Its like they live in a grim fantasy world.

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Like when people claim that mercenary armies are descending upon a foreign country but they can never back the claim up.

Anyone even slightly paying attention should know that the so-called rebels are financed and armed by other countries. And there is plenty of evidence pointing to actual foreign boots on the ground, and lets not forget about NATO's command and control center in Turkey, near the Syrian border.

It seems many here have never seen the video of Wesley Clark ( US 4 Star General ) describing the US plan to attack and destroy the governments of 7 countries, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

The 10-day ultimatum is not a good idea, it will only pressure Assad to clean up (kill) the foreign-backed terrorists faster.

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And there is plenty of evidence pointing to actual foreign boots on the ground, and lets not forget about NATO's command and control center in Turkey, near the Syrian border.

Source? And give me something tangible and not an error 404 page.

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If I recall correctly, the NATO command and control center came from Sibel Edmonds. And the foreign boots on the ground has been described by many, try looking into Pepe Escobar, he does a great job explaining the current conflict. I'm sure you can find what your looking for, if you truly are looking for an answer.

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" I'm sure you can find what your looking for, if you truly are looking for an answer."

Shouldn't the ones be on you as the accuser to provide the information Mr Gaddafi?

The gauntlet was thrown to Never Submit many times over the last twelve months to no avail.....

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12 months ago, myself and others were pointing out that the rebels were receiving supplies, financing and arms from the West.

That was denied by the regular band of armchair experts who gobble up the AP/Reuters view of the world.

Now it's being openly admitted in even the Western Press that Western countries are providing arms, ammunition, communication support and equipment. It was also recently admitted that the rebels were in fact coming in from Turkey, even though 12 months ago that was denied.

From the UK news, regarding Blackwater involvement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/07/syria-uprising-mossad-blackwater-and-cia-led-operations-in-homs_n_1326121.html

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Or else, what, Russia and Iran? Again, it is mother counting to three as she threatens her child to behave well. So far, she is at ONE.

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Anyone even slightly paying attention

Hey, Ciao. I'm paying attention. The rebels went from Syria into Turkey and back again. There have been claims that they were foreigners speaking foreign languages. There have been claims of a large amount of French soldiers being captured in Syria. There have been claims that the Russian foreign minister said there were foreigners running around Syria. The claims do not stop there. However, these claims have all been shown to be wrong. Yes, I'm paying attention and I'd like to know why people make claims that 80% of Syrians favor Assad, but these same people never back it up. Yes, I'm paying attention and I'd like to know why people make claims that 80% of the rebels/militants are not Syrian, but these same people never back it up.

lets not forget about NATO's command and control center in Turkey, near the Syrian border.

??? Do you really think if NATO was directly involved that Syria would still be having the easy time it has been fighting against militants/rebels? Syria would be flattened by now. Gee, considering your new name (how many is this for you since you said "ciao", again?) one would think you could remember what happened to Libya when NATO got involved. If NATO gets involved we will all know it, just as we did in Libya.

try looking into Pepe Escobar

Pepe Le Pew would be more entertaining and informative. No one, including any here, have provided anything to show foreigners running around the streets of Syria speaking foreign languages.

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From the UK news, regarding Blackwater involvement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/03/07/syria-uprising-mossad-blackwater-and-cia-led-operations-in-homsn1326121.html

Page Not Found Continue to The Huffingtonpost UK »

Gee, that was helpful. How about providing a link that actually works?

myself and others were pointing out that the rebels

You have been saying their are bands of foreigners running around Syria speaking foreign languages. You incorrectly claimed the Russian FM said so. Could you either start backing up what you say or consider what you want to say before saying it?

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I don't get it. Who and when was there any reference to the above?

As far as I can remember the only person talking about Aliens and Reptiles is you.

Why try to muddy the water with such nonsense.

I feel it's because your argument is weak on facts and logic, so you resort to nonsense like aliens and lizards.

If you were truly confident in your position you would have never gone down that road.

Iy has nothing to do with being confident, Madverts was basically pointing out the obvious that your comments are always, always predictable. You are usually always the first one to make a comment on any updates on the Syrian conflict, you always make excuses for that thug of a gnat Assad, you always comment as if what you say are undisputed facts and that there is no way that you are wrong or that you could ever possibly be wrong. It's kind of a given that we all know where you stand and what you will say. You prop up this murderous regime and always try to justify it. How about having an open mind to what's going on in Syria, how about taking a second look. Did it ever occur to you that Assad COULD possibly be wrong? Have you ever considered it. Or I would then have you believe that you are an Assad supporter, if so, JUST SAY SO! There is no shame in admitting the truth, I would have more respect for that, than making excuses for the guy and if so, that is your right, but please don't try to convince us of something that we all can see and we all know is a complete ruse on the part of the Syrian regime.

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Ben,

Yes, Libya was flattened. However, it is widely understood today that attack was very wrong and based on lies. NATO cannot get away with the same thing again. Just because Syria has not been flattened does not mean NATO is not involved. Plus, Syria's air defenses are much stronger than Libya's.

And there are foreigners involved, either providing intelligence, training, and probably also active fighting; just because FOXCNNABCNBC or JT don't cover it does not mean its not true.

Hey, Ciao.

Whatever gave you the impression I was Italian? I'm not.

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I'm sure you can find what your looking for, if you truly are looking for an answer.

You're the one claiming to know better than every major media outlet on the planet. The burden of proving your statement is yours, not mine.

Gee, that was helpful. How about providing a link that actually works?

Wha? It didn't work? Allow me a moment to compose myself, this was so unexpected.

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However, it is widely understood today that attack was very wrong and based on lies.

By 'widely understood', do you mean 'by a few people like me'? Cause, unless you do, you are going to have to back that one up.

NATO cannot get away with the same thing again.

Get away with what? Being supported world-wide for their actions? I did not see a lot of widespread protests against NATO actions in Libya around the world. Did you? While I would disagree with it being done, NATO actions in Syria would receive the same kind of general support in my opinion.

Syria's air defenses are much stronger than Libya's

They are not that much stronger. They are nothing compared to NATO.

just because FOXCNNABCNBC or JT don't cover it does not mean its not true.

Blah, blah, blah don't believe the media. Blah, blah, blah I know better than everyone and the media. Under all your poster names you continue the same theme that we should not believe the media and we should believe what you tell us to believe. Why do you constantly feel you need to spoon-feed us on what media we should use? Where are you getting your information? Secret antenna?

Whatever gave you the impression I was Italian?

Why, you did of course when you bid fairwell to JT with a hearty 'ciao' only to keep coming back with the same posts under different names recommending we read the same people .

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From the UK news, regarding Blackwater involvement

I found the story on several questionable websites. According to them, the story comes from a Hezbollah 'news agency' in Lebanon. I believe they also blame the Lebanese winter cold weather on Blackwater, the CIA and Mossad, as well.

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The burden of proving your statement is yours, not mine.

I have no such burden. I state my opinion based on the information I have come across. If you don't agree or believe me, I really don't care. Notice that I don't ask those who disagree for links or proof (also, I know they have none).

When I state that Wesley Clark (US 4 Star General ) described the US plan to attack and destroy the governments of 7 countries, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran; anyone curious enough can easily find a number of links directing them to a video where they can see and hear him say just that.

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I did not see a lot of widespread protests against NATO actions in Libya around the world.

That says much about you.

Did you?

Yes. Lots. Even people who initially supported it have realized it was wrong, very wrong, and they do not want it to happen again.

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I have no such burden

Of course you do when you write things like: 'just because FOXCNNABCNBC or JT don't cover it does not mean its not true.' You are claiming to have some magical source of information that we supposedly do not have. So, give it up. What are your sources?

If you don't agree or believe me, I really don't care.

Yeah, sure. That is why you keep going on and on about the supposedly 'controlled media'. You care so much that you are willing to create name after name here on JT and repeat the same messages. Ciao, don't you realize how obvious you are?

anyone curious enough

Ummm, I was curious enough and unsurprised when I looked at the video (and the crazy nut conspiracy links that misdescribe it). Wesley Clark describes the opinions of some people in the Pentagon. That was already five years ago. You claimed they had planned to attack those countries within five years. Guess you were wrong again. The US did not attack Libya, NATO did. The US has not attacked Iran and has even offered Iran tech and incentives to entice them to give up their goals of nuclear weapons. Wesley Clark and you have a right to your own opinions. However, we have a right to say you are wrong in your interpretation of what Clark said.

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That says much about you.

Thank you. I agree. It certainly says that both I and my opinions are based in solid reality. Thank you for noticing.

Yes. Lots.

'Lots'? Where, for example.

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It is relatively easy to be not totally aware of what goes on in the world if all you listen to is western news. In the case of Syria, where is the news from the other side? How come things that happen from the perspective of the Syrian people do not make it to western news. Surely they know of it and yet will never report it due to being somewhat censored by Nato and USA. If you dig, you can find info that western newspapers are not going to tell you. http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-homs-reporting-from-the-front/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ncjTWMrh0&feature=youtu.be&bpctr=1342224567&skipcontrinter=1

http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-president-assad-is-ready-for-the-change/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jl0WptXBrXk

http://stephensizer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/expulsion-of-christians-by-syrian.html

http://newworldliberty.com/newsarticle/houla-eye-witnesses-free-syrian-army-responsible-massacre

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Chuck,

So, your digging resulted in finding a clearly pro-Syrian blog site where anyone just posts whatever they like and youtube videos? Sorry, that does not fit any definition of 'digging'.

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Well, try finding a news site from Syria. Anything that is not controlled by the west. Most of what you are believing is coming from pro western sites. I never rely on sites that are too much one-sided., no matter where the situation is happening. By being fed from only one side you must realize that you you cannot have the whole picture. Which side clearly has the agenda of regime change...and why? It would not be for humanitarian reasons...that hardly ever happens. Syria's oil? .. not this time although natural gas transporting is obviously a reason.... transport natural gas from Qater to Europe through Syria so that Europe does not buy from Russia. For the benefit of Israel...of course. The control of oil?...probably. In the long run.... countering Russia and China? Best bet. Did you listen to the Christian Mother (I forget her name)? These so-called rebels are very nasty people indeed. German newspapers have interviewed them and they boldly state that they are there to kill people... it is their job. Lots of stuff going on in Syria that, yes, you must search for. I don't understand your remark about Youtube. How else can people put up videos of what is happening? The so called rebel side does it every day and the western media runs them although many of them are staged to discredit Syria. Why would the Syrian people in the cities welcome the Syrian soldiers if it was they who were killing them. It makes no logical sense. The massacre? 3 families massacred who were pro Assad... that one was easy to figure it out that it was not Assad. I'm not saying all this to persuade you... no point... you believe all the western garbage.... I don't ..and I, like you, know that I am correct.

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I never rely on sites that are too much one-sided

Of course you do. You have clearly chosen the Syrian side and you based your opinions on sites that reflect that side. This is obvious by your choice of links.

You do realize that above you made very specific and clear claims of 80% of the population being pro-Assad and that 80% of the militants being foreign. Please back that up.

For the benefit of Israel...of course.

??? Israel would prefer Assad stay. Israeli nervousness over changes in Egypt point to this being true.

These so-called rebels are very nasty people indeed.

I have not heard anyone calling them angels. Personally, I am highly suspicious. Unlike you however, it does not mean the Assad family gets a free pass.

I don't understand your remark about Youtube.

Let me be clear. I am not convinced that that first video was real. Generally, someone filming such a thing would film it to the end, or at least until the person hit the ground. They would follow that movement. Here, they did not. Why? You Tube can be used and manipulated to show only what you want people to see, and in your case what people want to see and believe.

you believe all the western garbage....

??? This is a baseless statement. I merely ask you to back up your claims and you cannot seem to do so. Where did you get your 80% pro-Assad and 80% of the miltants are foreign from? It is a rather simple question. If you cannot answer it, one can only assume you really do not know what you are talking about.

Lastly, why do you and others constantly feel this burning desire to tell us, no rather to spoon-feed us, what media you think we should be viewing? Why don't you instead actually back up the claims you make with facts? You seem to be relying on blogs and YouTube videos, the sources of which you cannot substantiate, for your opinions. Maybe you should actually know who is feeding you your information before casting aspertions on the sources of others.

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to Ben Jack

So, your digging resulted in finding a clearly pro-Syrian blog site where anyone just posts whatever they like and youtube videos? Sorry, that does not fit any definition of 'digging'.

Of couse CNN&BBC are much more better

WHY ?

Because they are neutral and independent !!

and honest !!

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to Ben Jack

Of course you do when you write things like: 'just because FOXCNNABCNBC or JT don't cover it does not mean its not true.' You are claiming to have some magical source of information that we supposedly do not have. So, give it up. What are your sources?

'bout FOXCNN and other good/honest guys - I'm not from Syria - so I can't say directly what really happens there

But I'm from Russia and I know that 95 % information 'bout Russia in western mass media - faked.

Why we must have different situation for Syria ?

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Olegek,

Of couse CNN&BBC are much more better WHY ?

Because, a blog where anyone can post whatever the heck they want with no consequences does not seem like a great way to get true information. This is particularly true when said blog has the specific purpose of being pro-Assad.

I generally watch Japanese TV, Asahi network, etc. So, your comments about these networks do not have a lot to do with me.

Where do you get your information? It seems as if you feel it is neutral and independent and honest. I would like to have a chance to view it myself. Please share.

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But I'm from Russia and I know that 95 % information 'bout Russia in western mass media - faked.

95%? Again with figures you obviously will not be able to support. Please give me an example of something "faked".

Why we must have different situation for Syria ?

First show me what you are talking about.

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I'm not from Syria - so I can't say directly what really happens there

? That certainly has not stopped you before. You have claimed a large number of the militants are not Syrian. Yet, you can never back this up.

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? That certainly has not stopped you before. You have claimed a large number of the militants are not Syrian. Yet, you can never back this up.

I think you also not from Syria, like all other guys here. We all have different OPINIONS and we all use second hande info.

We can discuss but we can't swear.

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Ben.. calm down... this is not a debate. Your source of western news dictates to you what is going on. My sources dictate to me that there is an alter truth. I have checked out both sides of the debate and I see no agenda by Syria but definitely an agenda by the western regime changers. I understand that to think that the so called good guys of the world could possibly actually be the bad guys goes against all that you... and I, have been conditioned to think but couldn't I be correct? I personal think that you could be correct. I could not prove to you what I know...you would merely tear it up for one reason or another. Your sources of information could be lies too but you could never believe that. I have been following events in Syria for months. The voting on the reforms presented by Assad were well received in the 80% range. I doubt if the western media even covered it and if they did, it was through the very, very biased opposition. Do you know how many of the original real opposition have not abandoned their cause because it was taken over by the influx of the armed mercenaries? Lots of them stood up to the armed rebels and tried to get them to not use violence... several are dead now for doing so. There are photos of these mercenaries with nato supplied weapons.... gee where did they get those? When Syrian forces overrun the rebels, they find all kinds of western stuff. Is this reported in the western news? Grenades from Switzerland.... parliament in Switzerland is furious about that! Again... this is not a debate.... we have differing opinions. Your side is the west... my side is the world. We do not need several countries deciding that they want to own the world.

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Here is what will probably play out soon. These so called rebels are going to be creating a false flag event soon with biological weapons (which they acquired in Libya). This is to convince the world that Nato should attack Syria. Of course, Syria would never do this knowing that it would bring the wrath of the world upon itself. This would be a normal Nato tactic. Already a New York newspaper has announced that it seems that Syria has moved some of its stockpile of nerve gas. Their source, of course is the nato backed opposition in Syria. It is so obvious what is going on in Syria. It's too bad that many innocent people have to die for the west to succeed at its agenda. Just my opinion of course.

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Gee, Chuck. Thanks so much for your concern. However, I am plenty calm. I am not sure what would give the idea I was not. This is discussion board in which debates over different opinions occur. As I wrote above, most of my news comes from Japanese sources and they are decidedly not Western. You do not seem to have any legitimate sources beyond a pro-Assad blog you linked. To say you see no agenda by the Syrian government is ridiculous. Obviously they have the agenda of telling their side. I do see an obvious agenda on your part as well. You have been clear in your opinion that the western media is controlled by governments. I am well familiar with that silliness. I am also aware that you cannot prove it to be so. You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension, so I will repeat for your benefit. I am not a supporter of the rebels/militants and I am very worried about the end result of the Assad government falls. It is a serious concern. However, your attempt to white-wash the Assad government seems quite disingenuous.

You claim lies, but show none. You claim 80% of Syrians currently support Assad, but show no proof. You claim that 80% of the rebels/militants are foreign, but show no proof.

Your side is the west... my side is the world.

Baloney. My side is basing claims on facts and backing them up. Your side seems to be to continue to make claims but make no attempt to back them up. So far, my side is correct merely for the fact that I back up what I claim and you clearly cannot.

The voting on the reforms presented by Assad were well received in the 80% range.

What percentage of the population received them? What is your source for this?

you would merely tear it up for one reason or another

If your sources are not sound, that is not my fault. It is yours for choosing the sources you have.

Your sources of information could be lies too but you could never believe that.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. If you have some facts about some sort of lies. If not, please stop with the conjecture. Personally, I am perfectly willing to accept that lies are told as I am not married to one side of this discussion as you are. I have the freedom of movement of one that sits firmly on the fence.

influx of the armed mercenaries?

Again, prove your case that there is an "influx of armed mercenaries". You have said this enough that you should be able to prove it by now. So, let's see what you have.

What you and others who do seem to be clearly pro-Assad do not realize is that upon making the large amount of unsubstantiated claims you make, people start to question where you are getting your information from and why you clearly have chosen one side and why you have chosen the side you have. You have not made your case yet, not by a long shot.

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Your sources are all from western media. If I am correct, then all of your sources of fact are questionable. Controlling the media is a normal thing to do in worldly agendas and the west is good at it. Japan is not very independent in news. Syrian news sources are not blogs. Syrian news sources gave the results of the vote on the reforms. Did you know that the new Assad government reforms brought several opposition members into the government positions....even some who were previously jailed for being against the government.. No, you would not know that. The west paints this really bad country called Syria but did you know that women have rights (not like American controlled Arab countries)... they do not have to cover their heads, etc. But if you only follow the western news you would not know that. The west paints anyone they dislike the same way...China...Russia,...Iran....

Anyway you are just who you are... It sounds like American military personnel... but... you are who you are.... enjoy life... but think real hard about this....

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Your sources are all from western media.

Incorrect. I get my news from a variety of sources. Also, as I wrote above, I mostly get my news from Japanese sources and they are decidedly not Western.

If I am correct

You are not. You just wrote something right above here that is incorrect.

Controlling the media is a normal thing to do in worldly agendas and the west is good at it.

Blah, blah, blah..."I know better than everyone else. My sources are the best in the world. Only believe the media I tell you to believe." Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only problem is you seem to depend exclusively on a pro-Syrian blog for your information. Something about a saying about glass houses and not throwing stones comes to mind.

Syrian news sources are not blogs.

The link you provided was a blog/bulletin board that people post whatever they want to without having to take any responsibility for what they write, quite similar to the discussion we are having and your inability to back up your claims that 80% of Syrians support Assad and that 80% of the rebels/militants are foreigners.

Anyway you are just who you are...

You don't know anything about me. Please do not pretend you do. I have not made any claims I cannot back up. You have made plenty and continue to do so. If you do not want people to question your claims, you have two choices: back up your claims or stop making claims you obviously cannot back up. Your choice.

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Chuck,

Here is your "Syrian news source":

SyriaNews.cc does not warrant or make any representations concerning the accuracy, likely results, or reliability of the use of the materials on its Internet web site or otherwise relating to such materials or on any sites linked to this site.

Yeah, that is some source you have there. Would not want to make or warrant any representations on accuracy, would they?

Again, your choice.

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Here is what will probably play out soon.

"False flags, blah, blah, blah."

And, when it does not play out that way? Also, do you really think the term "false flag" makes you appear worldly or knowledgable? It actually has the reverse effect.

Just my opinion of course.

Yup. So far that is all you have provided for the most part. That and blogs that do not and cannot take responsibility for the content they provide.

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The voting on the reforms presented by Assad were well received in the 80% range. I doubt if the western media even covered it and if they did, it was through the very, very biased opposition.

That does go against the totally unsubstantiated claims that Assad is just a maniac killing peaceful protesters.

Israel would prefer Assad stay

Gee, how did Israeli weapons get into the hands of the rebels?

What you and others who do seem to be clearly pro-Assad do not realize is that upon making the large amount of unsubstantiated claims you make, people start to question where you are getting your information from and why you clearly have chosen one side and why you have chosen the side you have. You have not made your case yet, not by a long shot.

I have yet to see any of the anti-Assad posters substantiate any of their wild claims.

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Gee, how did Israeli weapons get into the hands of the rebels?

Gee, Ciao, why don't you tell me where you heard that. Then let's discuss it. Until then, it is just another one of your "let's make up a bunch of stuff, fling it at the wall and see how much sticks".

I have yet to see any of the anti-Assad posters substantiate any of their wild claims.

I have no idea what claims you are talking about. Could you be a little more specific, ciao? Anyway, for my part, I do substantiate my claims when and if I make them.

For example, above you made the claim that there were "lots" of protests against the NATO actions in Libya. Here is your chance, so me how much "lots" is.

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10 days until WHAT? The brotherhood is not interested in ending anything because one of them could be next. Russia's military industry will suffer high unemployment unless another country chooses to use their obsolete equipment. Wait for the nerve gas to be used a la papa in less than 10 days.

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I came across this article today which seems to have the analysis down to what I would consider quite plausible. Gee, Ben... I wonder if his sources are reliable. lol I hope a lot of people have figured out what is really going on. Don't bother answering Ben. If you ARE in the branch of US military or other military whose job is discouraging and countering by pathetically insulting (not that I am saying you are but I have come across many of those types while commenting in newspapers, especially in USA, and you seem just like them but a bit overthetop), then just read the article and chuckle if need be.

http://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/middle-east-master-plan-towards-war-and-fascism-2/

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Here is a very interesting article from the Guardian in UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/12/syrian-opposition-doing-the-talking

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Syrian news report on the most recent attack and the armament which they discovered. http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2012/07/13/431278.htm

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For example, above you made the claim that there were "lots" of protests against the NATO actions in Libya

Nope, never claimed that. I guess that is what you meant by "let's make up a bunch of stuff, fling it at the wall and see how much sticks"

Chuck, nice find from the Guardian. Interesting article, I wonder what kind of excuse he/she will come up with to refute it, maybe just make fun of the author's name.

"Indeed, a number of key figures in the Syrian opposition movement are long-term exiles who were receiving US government funding to undermine the Assad government long before the Arab spring broke out."

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Nope, never claimed that.

Ciao, Ciao, are you serious? This is what you wrote just a couple of days ago. It is right above here.

Jul. 13, 2012 - 09:34PM JST

Yes. Lots. Even people who initially supported it have realized it was wrong, very wrong, and they do not want it to happen again.

So, where were they?

(BTW, that is another time I have caught you being wrong.)

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Chuck,

nsnbc

??? What the heck is that site? It seems to be another blog. Again, I am not particularly interested in blogs. This blog seems to have an especially blatant bias. You like it? Go for it. I prefer facts, not the conjecture you seem to crave enough to read that stuff. Looking at the related articles, it seems you have found a nut site that is fond of claiming that Israel is behind everything and blah, blah, blah. Sorry, very unconvincing.

As to the Guardian article, I too found it interesting. I have no problem with what has been put forth in the article you linked. There is nothing there that opposes what I have written. It certainly is not making the kinds of suggestions you have been making.

sana

Your Sana link did not work. You do realize Sana is the mouthpiece of the Syrian government, right? I thought you were supposedly going for unbias reporting. So far, you have given me an interesting piece in the Guardian that does not dispute anything I have written and a bunch of bias stuff that is completely unsubstantiated. Not very convincing at all

Lastly, again, you do not know anything about me. So, please stop your veiled attempts at insults. I have conducted myself truthfully and with honor in my discussions on JT. Again, if you are going to make claims, you have two choices: back them up or stop making claims you cannot back up. When and if I make claims I back them up. Witness my showing Ciao where he made a claim he above tries to claim he did not make.

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Chuck,

A couple of things about the Guardian article:

1) Rami Abdulrahman has been strongly endorsed by Amnesty International as to his work being reliable. The man has been quoted as saying he does not want foreign intervention in Syria and that Syria's future should be decided by Syrians.

2) In discussing opposition groups, the author of the Guardian piece clearly writes 'It's important to stress: to investigate the background of a Syrian spokesperson is not to doubt the sincerity of his or her opposition to Assad. But a passionate hatred of the Assad regime is no guarantee of independence.' This is a well balanced statement of which the meaning I think has been lost on you. This article is talking about possible backing, but it clearly seems to believe these opposition groups are sincere. Do you understand this? It seems to go against what you and Ciao and Never Submit are claiming. Perhaps you should read the article again.

I am going to repeat what I have been saying since the beginning of this conflict. I am very worried about what these opposition groups really want to do if they get into power. I am not in favor of foreign intervention in Syria. If there are going to be changes, they should be made by the Syrians. I am not pro-militant in this. I have no idea what their idealogical stances are about anything. The only thing that is clear is that they are against Assad. That is certainly not enough to set my mind at ease. Again, I am not a supporter of the rebels/militants and I am very worried about the end result if the Assad government should fall. It is a serious concern. However, your attempt to white-wash the Assad government seems quite disingenuous.

Now, Chuck, how about backing up your claim that 80% of Syrians support Assad and that 80% of the militants are foreign. I've asked quite a few times now and you have managed to avoid answering the question. Why would that be? You can back up this claim, can't you? If not, why did you say it?

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If you ARE in the branch of US military or other military whose job is discouraging and countering by pathetically insulting (not that I am saying you are but I have come across many of those types while commenting in newspapers, especially in USA, and you seem just like them but a bit overthetop),

Hey, Chuck,

Did you happen to notice that you were quite insulting in this part of your post? You see, I do not need to resort to this kind of rhetoric. I base my discussions and discourse on facts. You might want to try that instead of writing this kind of thing.

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above you made the claim that there were "lots" of protests against the NATO actions in Libya.

This is what you wrote just a couple of days ago. It is right above here. ...

Yes, it is right above here. If you bothered reading it you should have realized that:

I did not write it. Your quote does not say anything about protests, as you had claimed.

BTW, that is another time I have caught you being wrong.

Au contraire. If anything, it is one more example of you wrongfully claiming some who disagrees with you is wrong.

If you believe this is all about Assad brutally cracking down on a home-grown peaceful protest, try to make you case

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toBen Jack Again, I am not particularly interested in blogs. This blog seems to have an especially blatant bias. You like it? Go for it. I prefer facts.... As to the Guardian article, I too found it interesting

Yeah - western mass media NEVER lie ...

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1.I did not write it.

Yes, you did, Ciao. Don't you realize how obvious you are? Seriously? You are writing the exact same things in the same articles, using the same words and attempting the same failed debating tactics. Witness below:

2.Your quote does not say anything about protests, as you had claimed.

Really? Ciao, do you really think no one here has the ability to read?

I wrote:

I did not see a lot of widespread protests against NATO actions in Libya around the world. Did you?

You wrote:

Yes. Lots. Even people who initially supported it have realized it was wrong, very wrong, and they do not want it to happen again.

So, where were these "lot's" protests you saw?

Au contraire. If anything

Yeah, right, Ciao. Says the guy who claimed weeks back that the international reaction to a massacre in Syria was immediate when it was about 4 days later.

If you believe this is all about Assad brutally cracking down on a home-grown peaceful protest, try to make you case

No need. They have said they are Syrian. They are Syrian. The activists are Syrian. If you do not think they are, it is your job to attempt to prove it. They are from Syrian and this is not the first time protests against the Assad family have happened. It is also not the first time the Assad family has reacted this way. Papa Assad was extremely good at slaughtering Syrians he disagreed with. If you do not agree with a commonly accepted history, it is up to you to show why it is wrong. Very similar to something like the Holocaust. It is up to you to prove yourself if you disagree with accepted history. You are the ones making claims against accepted history. Back up your claims or don't make claims you cannot back up.

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Yeah - western mass media NEVER lie ...

?? Do you have anything specific to discuss? I am not here to represent what you imagine is the "Western media".

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Well...it looks like the rebels (for lack of an easier term for whoever they are) are about to use the nerve gas they brought from Libya on innocent Syrian people (probably Assad supporters once again) and blame it on the government (can't use regime...that's a Nato term). Of course the blaming will work and all hell will break loose. The west will be congratulating themselves on a job well done. From CNN with their fake Syria Danny who is actually from UK with staged bombing reports and actors playing dead for nasty photos, to all the anti Assad rhetoric pumped into western controlled media worldwide...to Al Jazeera turning into a pro western mouthpiece because they are owned by Qatar who is supplying nasty mercenaries...so disgusting that a lot of their veteran reporters quit on them. The only one to save everything is Russia. No one knows what they will do. Maybe they will do what is right and stop Nato right now or maybe they will wait until they and China build up their war machines and then do it. It's coming and I don't think it's going to be nice. USA always only attacks weaker nations...let's see how they do if there is any resistance. Just my opinion so I need not prove anything of what I say....it's just too obvious anyway.

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Chuck<

What nerve gas are you talking about? What is your source for your information? It truly seems as if you are just creating a story and running with it.

From CNN with their fake Syria Danny who is actually from UK with staged bombing reports and actors playing dead for nasty photos

Sorry? Who and what are you talking about here? Please do not assume we are up to speed with your conspiracy theories. Could you be specific?

to all the anti Assad rhetoric pumped into western controlled media worldwide.

Who and what are you talking about here? Please do not assume we are up to speed with your conspiracy theories. Could you be specific?

...to Al Jazeera turning into a pro western mouthpiece because they are owned by Qatar who is supplying nasty mercenaries

I believe al Jazeera has always been owned by the same group. There has been no major change in their reporting style. What is your evidence for them turning into a 'pro western mouthpiece'? Just because you do not agree with them, does not mean they are a mouthpiece for anything.

so disgusting that a lot of their veteran reporters quit on them.

'A lot', huh? How many is that exactly? Where can I find information about these numbers of people?

It's coming and I don't think it's going to be nice.

You actually think Russia or China would risk anything and get militarily involved in this? I disagree. In my opinion, nothing is coming, at least nothing you are suggesting.

Just my opinion so I need not prove anything of what I say....

Well, this is certainly not a court. However, it really does seem as if you do not have much confidence in your own opinions if you are not willing to prove or back up what you say.

it's just too obvious anyway.

Sadly, what seems obvious is that you have created a conspiracy world based on mere conjecture and blogs and you expect others to believe it with no proof or evidence.

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