Western states assail Russia's Lavrov over Ukraine at OSCE meeting

Lavrov is spot on. OSCE has lost credibility and has been coopted by the collective west.

He is also right about Ukrainian neo-nazi groups: unsavoury nationalists have overthrown their democracy, banned languages, cultures and started mass killings, sparking a civil war since 2014. They wear the insignia and worship the collaborators - it's a disgrace and an affront to public decency. Denying it is morally repugnant.

Denying it is morally repugnant

As is spreading misinformation!

Pathetic losers, LOOOL

My message to the Russian delegation is the following: We are not taken in by your lies. We know what you're doing. You're trying to rebuild the Russian empire and we will not let you. We will resist you every inch of the way," Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said in a speech.

What a nut bar. Paid to say this or absolutely living in a Cold War fantasyland theme park in his mind

Tucker Carlson released his interview with the Russian Foreign Minister - for those interested in what he has to say -https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1864804141735842253

Sikorksi

who?

even google have no idea whatsoever...

You can only get so much from cursing at Zombie Foreign Minister. Putin doesn't even tell him what is going on.

JJEToday 07:04 am JST

Lavrov is spot on. OSCE has lost credibility and has been coopted by the collective west.

Is "coopted by the collective west" the standard response when russia realizes it has no friends?

He is also right about Ukrainian neo-nazi groups: unsavoury nationalists have overthrown their democracy, banned languages, cultures and started mass killings, sparking a civil war since 2014. They wear the insignia and worship the collaborators - it's a disgrace and an affront to public decency. Denying it is morally repugnant.

What is morally repugnant is russia launching a war of aggression in the vein of the axis powers.

one question

why we dont see any lines in section of Ukraine daily victories

?

UA prevailers may feel betrayed here...just post anything/any nonsense as long as it fits into your narratives to keep flame of UA victory burning bright...

As we all know the United States played a key role in generating and perpetuating this terrible conflict in Ukraine. 

Russia has single-handedly stopped American provocation. And any negotiations will have to start with the military situation on the ground: so much for a just peace with the return of every inch conquered and annexed from 2014 to the present!

FosToday 05:39 pm JST

As we all know the United States played a key role in generating and perpetuating this terrible conflict in Ukraine. 

Russia has single-handedly stopped American provocation. And any negotiations will have to start with the military situation on the ground: so much for a just peace with the return of every inch conquered and annexed from 2014 to the present!

Tanks rolling only one way on Feb. 24th 2022. Still Putin's War.

Actually tanks were rolling the other way towards Donbass in violation of signed Minsk Agreement and OSCE remained silent, so no, it's Putin's limited ground operation to correct that.

And that's precisely one of Lavrov's points: the US and certain Baltic states have turned that organization into their own personal sandbox to grind axes about Russia, as opposed to it's true, non-aligned status.

Lavrov left because of something not mentioned here. A senior FM official (a woman) was unfairly and rudely denied permission permission to attend because of really a lowbrow, petty move by certain quarters.

'Putin is trying to rebuild the Russian Empire/Soviet Union' is a refrain we've all heard thousands of times now. It's catchy and many people believe it and parrot it, but is it true?

Well, he's had a quarter of a century to reconstruct a Russian Empire, so I can only say that's he's not doing a very good job of it, considering he's invaded only one country so far, and that was after 22 years in power and under extreme provocation.

I know some people will shout 'What about Georgia?' but of course it wasn't quite so simple. The deranged Saakashvili ordered an indiscriminate attack on Russian peacekeeping troops in South Ossetia, and Russia, understandably, hit back hard. Lunging rapidly and deep into Georgian territory, they then completely withdrew after a few weeks. Empire-building? Not terribly impressive.

Lord DartmouthDec. 6 10:23 pm JST

Well, he's had a quarter of a century to reconstruct a Russian Empire, so I can only say that's he's not doing a very good job of it, considering he's invaded only one country so far, and that was after 22 years in power and under extreme provocation.

You think Putin was ready to declare war on the West in 2000? In this case you are correct that russia was too broken to start stuff in 2000 and should have been kept that way. And javalins and training are not an "extreme provocation" no matter how poor the russian armed forces are.

I know some people will shout 'What about Georgia?' but of course it wasn't quite so simple. The deranged Saakashvili ordered an indiscriminate attack on Russian peacekeeping troops in South Ossetia, and Russia, understandably, hit back hard. Lunging rapidly and deep into Georgian territory, they then completely withdrew after a few weeks. Empire-building? Not terribly impressive.

Just because NATO has done a good job of removing things from russian consideration doesn't make russia not a threat.

JJEDec. 6 08:22 pm JST

Actually tanks were rolling the other way towards Donbass in violation of signed Minsk Agreement and OSCE remained silent, so no, it's Putin's limited ground operation to correct that.

Really, what speed were they moving at and what tanks? Putin violated Minsk by failing to withdraw his forces.

And that's precisely one of Lavrov's points: the US and certain Baltic states have turned that organization into their own personal sandbox to grind axes about Russia, as opposed to it's true, non-aligned status.

Again, russia not having any friends means it has to attack even international institutions.

Minsk is not your backyard. Nor Ukraine. Definitely not your frontier. Wrong hemisphere.

Stay out of other people's porch and there wont be a problem. Intrude and there will be issues.

JJEToday 02:37 am JST

Minsk is not your backyard. Nor Ukraine. Definitely not your frontier. Wrong hemisphere.

Stay out of other people's porch and there wont be a problem. Intrude and there will be issues.

Minsk and Ukraine aren't your property anymore. Stay out of Europe's backyard and there won't be issues.

T-64, modernized. USSR left loads of them there. Thousands.

Ask the Germans if they inherited any weapons.

Think about it: Ukraine SSR became a parking lot for weapons from the USSR.

Thats why they became prolific arms dealers in the post-period.

JJEToday 02:52 am JST

T-64, modernized. USSR left loads of them there. Thousands.

Ask the Germans if they inherited any weapons.

Think about it: Ukraine SSR became a parking lot for weapons from the USSR.

Thats why they became prolific arms dealers in the post-period.

Okay, now how fast were they moving. Maybe if russia weren't preparing to wipe Ukraine off of the map, they would have been able to stop a 1km movement towards Donbas.

Belarusians (and their flags, honor and sacrifice) are independent.

So are the South East. Proud people who have never forgotten. They speak the relevant language, of love, ballet, culture and respect - to their elders and forebears. Thats why they chose a side.

Lavrow is spot on and the Polish foreign minister is a dangerous loose canon.

JJEToday 03:00 am JST

Belarusians (and their flags, honor and sacrifice) are independent.

So are the South East. Proud people who have never forgotten. They speak the relevant language, of love, ballet, culture and respect - to their elders and forebears. Thats why they chose a side.

Only because they have a scummy dictator towing the Kremlin line. If that should change, there will be another Special Military War of Aggression.

TaiwanIsNotChina

Only because they have a scummy dictator towing the Kremlin line. If that should change, there will be another Special Military War of Aggression.

So what do you think about the Bucharest declaration? And who broke the Minsk agreements? Please show some of your apparently profound background knowledge.

Important to observe historically, Belarus, has a legitimate claim to be the biggest victim of any country in all of WWII - all 600 cities, towns and villages got wiped out. Collaborators helped the Germans do it.

Back to the article - the Poles have an issue. However the lithuanian-commonwealth is not coming back, and it would be great to see them hand back the land, seized and surrendered by the Germans, they now live on.

JJEToday 03:09 am JST

Important to observe historically, Belarus, has a legitimate claim to be the biggest victim of any country in all of WWII - all 600 cities, towns and villages got wiped out. Collaborators helped the Germans do it.

So not russia. Got it.

JJEToday 03:09 am JST

Important to observe historically, Belarus, has a legitimate claim to be the biggest victim of any country in all of WWII - all 600 cities, towns and villages got wiped out. Collaborators helped the Germans do it.

Only if russia goes first as the least responsible country on the continent.

JJEToday 03:16 am JST

Back to the article - the Poles have an issue. However the lithuanian-commonwealth is not coming back, and it would be great to see them hand back the land, seized and surrendered by the Germans, they now live on.

Only if russia goes first as the least responsible country on the continent.

ZaphodToday 03:05 am JST

TaiwanIsNotChina

Only because they have a scummy dictator towing the Kremlin line. If that should change, there will be another Special Military War of Aggression.

So what do you think about the Bucharest declaration?

I think NATO is entitled to admit who it wants and make aspirational declarations of such.

And who broke the Minsk agreements?

russia by not withdrawing its forces

Please show some of your apparently profound background knowledge.

Not an expert, but russia has no credibility after violating four international agreements with its invasion.

Read the flag/banner flying over the reichstag. Looks suspiciously like a Belorussian Front to anyone (unit who stormed the building and raised the colors was Russian, from Tula).

Russia violated no agreements with any elected neutral constitutional govt. None.

Interesting to note the regime broke their (signed) word the other neighbour too.

JJEToday 03:59 am JST

These were signed with constitutionally observed, independent governments - which translates as valid until 2014 - when it was broken.

100% recognition for the government in Kyiv. russia should clearly be thrown off of the UN Security Council after its own violent coup in 1993.

Only the American can pretend that they have never invalidated an agreement.

No wars of aggression in 100 years, though.