DeSantis hits Trump from the right while the ex-president looks ahead to the general election

But DeSantis' efforts to out-Trump Trump have raised eyebrows among some observers who question his tactics.

Yup. You can't out Trump Trump. His followers are cultists and you can't have a new cult leader.

The US deserves better.

Is DeSantis calling out the warmongers? I dunno, but Trump is. This is gonna be interesting. It's funny that the Trump folks and Republicans are anti-war machine, while the Biden and most of the Dems are supporting the war and its machine.

invalid CSRF

A future convicted felon and an unlikable, thin-skinned jerk who can't go 30 seconds without screaming "WOKE!" at the top of his tiny lungs.

Gosh, what a choice.

The best democracy money can buy.

"Don’t forget, we have to win elections,” Trump stressed during a Fox News Channel town hall”

Don’t forget you lost the last one.

“saying he would sign an executive order on the first day of his second term to change the long-settled interpretation of the 14th Amendment.”

Changing the constitution by executive order? Lol. How do the ‘shall not be infringed’ crowd feel about that? Not that it really matters because he can’t do it anyway.

Trump folks and Republicans are anti-war machine

Trump told proud boys to declare war literally on the Capitol building (and they did). Trump is a war mongerer on his own country. The only other president to do that was Jefferson Davis.

The US deserves better.

Example?

A future convicted felon and an unlikable, thin-skinned jerk who can't go 30 seconds without screaming "WOKE!" at the top of his tiny lungs.

Or we can have a senile old man with dementia who enjoys sniffing young women's hair and a VP who can even put a coherent sentence together to let anyone attract an audience that won't cringe when she laughs.

DeSantis hits Trump from the right while the ex-president looks ahead to the general election

The whole MAGA movement is based on opportunism and meeting the goals of their corporate owners by focusing on ever more extreme "culture wars".

Remember when Trump was calling out Clinton and Obama for their Goldman Sachs ties, criticizing corporate welfare and banker bailouts and vowing to get "real" business people making decisions in Washington and not just Wall Street money-changers?

Promises kept?

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/retirement-private-equity-trump-administration-wall-street-1047576/

Or we can have a senile old man with dementia 

Who managed to stomp your boy like a rented mule AND ran circles around Kev-bro and his hair.

So either he isn't really that incompetent or are your heros just that much stupider.

Actually, that wasn't a binary option.

It's both.

Or we can have a senile old man with dementia who enjoys sniffing young women's hair and a VP who can even put a coherent sentence together to let anyone attract an audience that won't cringe when she laughs.

Only 4 years between Trump and Biden. Both are old men. Trump is a single-term candidate. Do you want to compare sexual abuse between Trump and Biden ROFL? Biden was coherent in his Oval Office speech.

Or we can have a senile old man

So? There was Reagan. How about a normal republican who does not want to control the woman's body? Otherwise I would rather have a corpse than Trump or Desantis

The whole MAGA movement is based on opportunism and

...and populism

meeting the goals of their corporate owners

Blue collar workers?? Uh...ok...

by focusing on ever more extreme "culture wars". 

As well as issues that concern the average working American

Remember when Trump was calling out Clinton and Obama for their Goldman Sachs ties, criticizing corporate welfare and banker bailouts

I distinctly do, and I also remember when Trump specifically said that these institutions should fail and use bankruptcy laws to restructure

and vowing to get "real" business people making decisions in Washington and not just Wall Street money-changers? 

Promises kept?

He started that ball rolling until Covid hit and then the election happened.

But DeSantis' efforts to out-Trump Trump have raised eyebrows among some observers who question his tactics

The problem with this is probably DeSantis is just not funny. Trump is funny, trashy and ignorant. When he spouts his garbage, anyone with half a brain doesn’t take him seriously. DeSantis can’t get away with that.

Factoid- President Trump is WAY ahead of desantis in the polls. Way, ahead.

Congratulations I guess.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis repeatedly hit his chief rival, Donald Trump, from the right.

The two Florida-males are competing to see which can become the most extreme rightist the country has ever seen.

Not surprising with the current reports about Trump having been said to want to further enrage Iran, that he and his media are pointing their warmonger fingers away from Trump. But will Trump want to make Iran angrier knowing Trump's pal Putin partners up with the Ayatollah.They're also forgetting Trump kept up the US military involvement in Afghanistan before messing things up there even more. Pretty much everything Trump touched was messed up, but he did lead the movement to reduce the taxes of the richest, while not paying his share.

Making a campaign pledge on something that is quite literally impossible; changing the constitution by executive order is only going to work with the lowest common denominator of his base that get fooled or riled up easily. So, most of them.

Criticizing President Trump’s conservative credentials, when we all know how he acted as president and what he got accomplished, I don’t really know why he would do that,” she said

Oh I don't know, maybe it's got something to do with him wanting to be president?

It's a choice between proven failure and certain disaster.

The two Florida-males are competing to see which can become the most extreme rightist the country has ever seen.

Not right, center-right, they are populists, not Washington establishment swamp  NeoCons.

Not surprising with the current reports

Here we go....

about Trump having been said to want to further enrage Iran, that he and his media are pointing their warmonger fingers away from Trump. But will Trump want to make Iran angrier knowing

Trump's pal Putin

Mueller debunked that farce already

partners up with the Ayatollah.They're also forgetting Trump kept up the US military involvement in Afghanistan before messing things up

No, Biden did that, don't believe it, watch the video and ask the Afghani government as well as the families if the 13 dead soldiers who they blame.

https://thehill.com/homenews/morning-report/567973-the-hills-morning-report/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/afghanistan-kabul-blast-marine-father-killed-b1911989.html

Pretty much everything Trump touched was messed up,

Quite the contrary actually when you put the salts down and focus on the facts and not the partisan msm.

but he did lead the movement to reduce the taxes of the richest, while not paying his share.

Half the country doesn't pay taxes and no one says anything and then there is the current President....

All the pictures look like stills from a film about crooked cops.

@bass Trump's pal Putin

Mueller debunked that farce already

IThe above is a parrot of a Rupert Murdoch headline,suggesting the poster read nothing more than what the Kremlin and far right media reported.

A future convicted felon and an unlikable, thin-skinned jerk who can't go 30 seconds without screaming "WOKE!" at the top of his tiny lungs.

So how about a rundown of your party's candidates that your man won't debate? Your party is pushing only ONE candidate because that's what "democracy" looks like I guess.

DeSantis looks like he's about to rage quit, scream an insult that doesn't quite make sense and then burst into tears. Trump looks like the last rotisserie chicken.

IThe above is a parrot of a Rupert Murdoch headline,suggesting the poster read nothing more than what the Kremlin and far right media reported.

So in other words, you have nothing as usual....ok...not that surprised though...

Hutchinson, Scott, Haley, Sununu.

None of them are even close to 5%! I mean, personally, on the Dem side I would go for Manchin, Lieberman and Sinema myself....

Mueller debunked that farce already

Muller proved that the Russians did interfere in the election. A finding backed up by a bipartisan Senate investigation chaired by a Republican.

He also proved that Trump knew of and did nothing to fetter Russian efforts.

Then there are the 6 counts of obstruction of justice that would have been charged had he not won the idiot lottery and been president.

So, only debunked if by "debunked" one means "proven".

All the pictures look like stills from a film about crooked cops.

Or White House Plumbers.

GOP is soooo cute. DeSantis and Trump. haha.

One can't beat the other in an election. The other proven loser in a national election, after a terrible one term presidency he shows he's a fascist and not a real patriot, but a supporter of insurrectionists. Great choice! LOL!

I distinctly do, and I also remember when Trump specifically said that these institutions should fail and use bankruptcy laws to restructure

https://bankruptcylawchicago.com/how-the-bankruptcy-laws-helped-donald-trump-stay-rich/

Did he though? He has experience as a billionaire using bankruptcy laws to stiff those blue-collar workers you say support him.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2020/01/24/donald-trump-still-owes-money-to-contractors-who-built-taj-mahal-atlantic-city/4547037002/

Half the country doesn't pay taxes and no one says anything and then there is the current President....

Trump?

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/518510-trump-paid-no-income-taxes-for-10-of-past-15-years-report/

As other people have pointed out, there are so many own goals here that MAGA authenticity hovers around zero.

Trump on DeSantis: "He's a fat, whiny, phony, RINO Globalist, whose fight with Disney is a disaster, and who has filled Florida with misery and despair and made it one of the worst states in the US to live. And he may have groomed young high school girls".....

DeSantis on Trump: He's a clear Loser who helped kill over one million Americans by outsourcing our COVID response to Dr Fauci, has moved to the Left on many issues, and hasn't got the guts to fight the woke".....

MAGA-faithful: Our Ultra MAGA King is great and Ron is a rock-star...

But who is lying about the other? Is Trump a Loser? Is Ron a groomer?

MAGA-faithful: We love both men and agree they never lie...

Welcome to MAGA-world....

Muller proved that the Russians did interfere in the election

There you go.

A finding backed up by a bipartisan Senate investigation chaired by a Republican. 

He also proved that Trump knew of and did nothing to fetter Russian efforts. 

Knowing so doesn't make it a crime, because if it were then Trump would have been recommended for an indictment.

Then there are the 6 counts of obstruction of justice that would have been charged

Would've, could've, should've either then charged the man or don't. so apparently, they didn't and they hated Trump.

So, only debunked if by "debunked" one means "proven".

Well, they proved that there was nothing.

Welcome to MAGA-world....

Still ZERO talk from you or anyone about Robert Kennedy Jr and Marianne Williamson who is running for your party, may I ask why? Teach people here about their policies/views and how they are more competent than Trump and DeSantis.

I hope Trump somehow survives and is the Repub 2024 candidate as he is by far the easiest for Biden to beat....

But he has one "kryptonite bomb" he has to step around, and I'm not sure he can do it...

In Grimes, Iowa, on Thursday, Trump received a pointed question from a woman who claimed that “we have lost people because you supported the jab," a reference to conspiracies about mRNA vaccines, which have been credited with saving millions of lives.

And there it is...

Trump has been clear that he considers the COVID vaccines a "medical miracle", and has gone on Fox News and assured his base that it is "safe and it works" and "frankly a lot of my supporters should take it"...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-urges-all-americans-to-get-covid-vaccine-its-a-safe-vaccine

But the MAGA-faithful remain unconvinced - they have bought fully into the conspiracy theories that the vaccine will either kill you or make you sterile... The sterile part fits exactly with the crazed far-right "Replacement" conspiracy theory that is entrenched within the Repub party...

How do the MAGA-faithful here come to terms with their worship of Trump and the fact they believe the vaccine is poison? They suspend reality - and say the vaccine is BOTH safe and poison at the same time...

No better example of how deluded MAGA-world is...

Still ZERO talk from you or anyone about Robert Kennedy Jr 

He a kook, no chance. It’s been said many times by posters on here.

you’re confusing Bob Mueller with Bill Barr, Bass.

No, I don't drink.

Mueller explicitly stated that his report did not “prove” what you claim

This means, even with 500 lawyers and 500 subpoenas hundreds of hours of testimonies, and hundreds of witnesses they couldn't prove anything after almost 3 years, yeah, I would call that pretty much innocent.

This means, even with 500 lawyers and 500 subpoenas hundreds of hours of testimonies, and hundreds of witnesses they couldn't prove anything after almost 3 years, yeah, I would call that pretty much innocent.

Hundreds of hours, unable to prove anything after years of trying, zero evidence. Sounds familiar.

I guess that’s case closed then.

He a kook, no chance. It’s been said many times by posters on here.

So best not to debate him because Joe will run circles around him? I see. To democracy, cheers!

I personally like Sununu. I've been following him ever since I saw him on Real Time with Bill Maher. He's well spoken, balanced, and has a history of bipartisanship. He also is pro choice except for late terms. That means he has no chance of becoming the GOP nominee, but one can always hope that he slowly builds national support for the future and return the right to sanity.

“I will be able to destroy leftism in this country" - Ron DeSantis

I don't think I've ever heard of a campaign promise to destroy half the country, but there ya have it. Not a style I particularly like. As much as I dislike the right I've never said I wanted to see them wiped off the map. There are still some good ones out there.

It will be interesting to see what happens when Trump gets indicted on espionage charges. Will DeSantis play into the corrupt government angle and help Trump in a roundabout way? One thing I do know is that this feud is just in the beginning stages. Both men want to be king and they'll do anything to get that power and abuse it.

Hundreds of hours, unable to prove anything after years of trying, zero evidence. Sounds familiar. 

Well, then neither side needs to complain then.

I guess that’s case closed then.

Guess so.

From a Truth Social post on Friday: “Congratulations to Kim Jung [sic] Un!”. North Korea was elected to the executive board of the World Health Organization. The quote was from Donald Trump.

Interesting.

So best not to debate him because Joe will run circles around him? I see. To democracy, cheers!

Don’t put your words in my mouth.

I personally like Sununu. I've been following him ever since I saw him on Real Time with Bill Maher. He's well spoken, balanced, and has a history of bipartisanship. He also is pro choice except for late terms. That means he has no chance of becoming the GOP nominee, but one can always hope that he slowly builds national support for the future and return the right to sanity.

Will never happen.

“I will be able to destroy leftism in this country" - Ron DeSantis

That would be nice.

I don't think I've ever heard of a campaign promise to destroy half the country,

I have, every single day from the left about the right.

but there ya have it. Not a style I particularly like. As much as I dislike the right I've never said I wanted to see them wiped off the map. There are still some good ones out there.

You don't have to, we know that is what the left wants, I don't mix words, I want the radical left ideology to be destroyed, NOT liberalism, just the Marxist fascist part of it.

It will be interesting to see what happens when Trump gets indicted on espionage charges.

Probably nothing.

bass: This means, even with 500 lawyers and 500 subpoenas hundreds of hours of testimonies, and hundreds of witnesses they couldn't prove anything after almost 3 years, yeah, I would call that pretty much innocent.

Mueller found that Russia took action to help Trump get elected but that the two parties did not work directly with each other. In essence, Putin is leader of a Trump PAC. Not a bad ally to have on your side, eh? He presented proof of it.

For obstruction, Mueller presented the evidence and said he was leaving it to Congress. He said that if he could declare Trump innocent he would, but he could not.

GOPers let Trump off the hook despite the evidence, not because of it. It was a political vote, not a judicial decision. You're free to say that Trump got off despite the evidence, but saying there was no evidence shows a fundamental lack of understanding on your part. No law against that but it does muddy the waters of a healthy democracy.

bass: NOT liberalism

DeSantis was talking about liberalism. You can stand up to him and say you disagree but that's not really your style. Just bury it away somewhere and cheer.

...while the ex-president looks ahead to the general election

where from? A prison cell? But can we be sure when we now know that even unsavory scofflaw ex-presidents are treated like royalty and dare not be questioned under oath, never mind locked up?

...“basically a jailbreak bill" that allowed dangerous people out of prison.

America needs to go much, much further and cancel all its get-out-of-jail free cards for corrupt politicians and pass a bill that puts them into prisonDeSantis is not the real MAGA deal, just a Trumpy clone of his HMV, like a broken record that just parrots "woke", "woke", "woke", "woke" ad nauseam. No ideas of his own, no charisma, no fun to listen to, nada. His non-stop rightwing moaning sounds like a griping grandpa who's busted out of a Florida retirement home. Even Trump gagged, in a straitjacket in a padded cell would win more votes than the little white-booted whiner from where, he won't let us forget, "woke goes to die".

Mueller found that Russia took action to help Trump get elected

As did Twitter, FB and Google were instrumental in getting Biden elected.

Putin is leader of a Trump PAC.

It's not even 35 degrees Celsius today

Not a bad ally to have on your side, eh? He presented proof of it. 

Then there were more reasons to request an indictment and that didn't happen.

For obstruction, Mueller presented the evidence and said he was leaving it to Congress. He said that if he could declare Trump innocent he would, but he could not.

Then he technically is innocent, if you can't prove it, there is no crime and after hundreds of testimonies, we all pretty much knew this

GOPers let Trump off the hook

No, we knew from the get-go he was innocent, but since the Dems have nothing to run on besides gender and woke issues, the only other thing they have going for them is chasing after a former President, with the utmost fear, it is just mind-boggling.

but saying there was no evidence shows a fundamental lack of understanding on your part.

I think it's the opposite, there was nothing there that could justify dragging this man through the mud like this and now still after 7 years, the left can't stop, what are they afraid of? Just leave the guy be and let the American people decide, making him a martyr makes him and his movement only stronger, which is fine by me. That would be a healthy democracy.

DeSantis was talking about liberalism.

That was hijacked by the radical left.

You can stand up to him and say you disagree but that's not really your style.

You don't know what my style is.

Just bury it away somewhere and cheer

Naw, I am in your face kinda guy.

I hope Trump somehow survives and is the Repub 2024 candidate as he is by far the easiest for Biden to beat....

gotta disagree on this one. Think Trump is a much stronger general election candidate than Ron. DeSantis caters to the far right and only the far right. After what he did, I don’t think Trump should be allowed to run. That said, I prefer 45 to DeSantis, but won’t vote for either under any circumstances. Give me Chris Sununu or Asa Hutchinson and I just might.

I see it quite differently. Trump is becoming more unhinged each day...having dinner with Neo-Nazis and white supremacists, praising Putin as a "genius", congratulating KJU...

Other than the 30% that are true cultists, a clear majority of Americans and quite a few Repubs are repulsed by this stuff...

Add the multiple indictments to include a violation of the Espionage Act and a possible RICO charge by the Georgia AG and Trump is by far the easiest for Biden to beat...

And we still have another year and a half for him to go on Hannity and further incriminate himself...

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-incriminating-himself-ways-that-prosecutors-dream-kirschner-1792799

bass: Then he technically is innocent, if you can't prove it, there is no crime and after hundreds of testimonies, we all pretty much knew this

I think you misread my post. Mueller said that if he could declare Trump innocent, he would have. But he could not. Meaning he sees guilt there. He left it up to Congress to decide on that evidence and they made a political decision, not a judicial one.

For years you've been saying there was "no evidence" and that has been incorrect. You can say the evidence wasn't compelling to you, or it didn't amount to proof, and that would be your choice. But saying it doesn't exist at all is just fantasyland stuff. Same with the Russia findings.

The next round for Trump will be more difficult as Mitch McConnell won't be deciding his fate through a lens of how it impacts the GOP. This will be by judges and juries. We just saw that with his recent loss involving sexual abuse and defamation. The espionage case will be the same. So will the other cases.

If you were DeSantis, how would you play it? Say it's a corrupt system then you're letting Trump off the hook. Say it's just punishment and you're siding with the BS image of a corrupt system that the GOP has built. Seems like he's kinda screwed either way.

“I will be able to destroy leftism in this country" - Ron DeSantis

The thing with De Santis' schtick is that when you portray anyone who is not interested in Nascar as members of Baader Meinhof you have already lost most people.

His 'War on Woke' plays to a certain type but even Trump recognises that most people who use the word can't define it. My father thinks the UK went woke when they made wearing a seatbelt the law.

He alienates more than Trump.

I think you misread my post. Mueller said that if he could declare Trump innocent, he would have.

Legally, he is, so that part is done, nothing to misunderstand.

But he could not. Meaning he sees guilt there. He left it up to Congress to decide on that evidence and they made a political decision, not a judicial one.

Which means, there was nothing.

For years you've been saying there was "no evidence" and that has been incorrect.

Not to the point that what he did was criminal that would need him to be incarcerated.

You can say the evidence wasn't compelling to you, or it didn't amount to proof, and that would be your choice. But saying it doesn't exist at all is just fantasyland stuff.

Like the Russian collusion hoax was?

The next round for Trump will be more difficult as Mitch McConnell won't be deciding his fate through a lens of how it impacts the GOP.

Doubt it, Mitch is dumb, but the man is far from being stupid. Probably not going to happen. 

If you were DeSantis, how would you play it? Say it's a corrupt system then you're letting Trump off the hook. Say it's just punishment and you're siding with the BS image of a corrupt system that the GOP has built. Seems like he's kinda screwed either way.

I think not, I think that is what the Dems are HOPING at best, even if that were hypothetically possible, DeSantis would pardon Trump and the Dems would have nothing once again, so bring it. Lol

bass: DeSantis would pardon Trump

What if you saw the evidence and decided Trump was guilty on your own? Would you still support a pardon by DeSantis?

Blue-collar workers, are the evil overlords now? Lol

Right... the cult endures. But a good percentage are paid shills anyway and that is the bread and butter of corporate sponsored MAGA that loves the culture war cred of DeSantis AND Trump.

MAGA is all about deflecting workers' class consciousness by culture war hatred to side with the interests of billionaires.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/donald-trump-government-shutdown-screwing-workers/

Mueller said that if he could declare Trump innocent, he would have.*

Meaning “He did it, but under current OLC guidance (which I think they should have tested) we can’t prosecute him.”

And then less intelligent Voldemort did so many thinks that were so much more criminal, mere obstruction of justice in an election interference investigation got shoved down on the list.

On the other hand, Rock-star Ron-Ron presents as a man on the spectrum exhibiting more or less functional autism.

leftists and their media have zero input into who the Republican nominee is.

not like any of you would vote for Desantis either. So it’s all just noise from the left even talking about it.

Trump will be our nominee so you can keep ridin with Biden if you want and let’s see how a non COVID campaign/election goes.

What if you saw the evidence and decided Trump was guilty on your own?

I did, I didn't think he was guilty.

Would you still support a pardon by DeSantis?

Yes

If Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis becomes the republican nominee.

Face to face with Joe Biden, politically ideologically it would be a straggle to imagine anything more chalk and cheese..

Ron DeSantis 44, Joe Biden 80.

One could dwell on political experience in office.

Donald Trump could spoil the party.

However, Ron DeSantis 44 would need the full support of donors, and the party, skilled political advisors.

Forget about Joe Bidens hassles with a wayward sandbag, Ron DeSantis 44 with a bit more PR spit and polish ,drop any direct mention of the "W" word, could deliver.

Leftists in the US haven't declared war on anybody in 60 years.

The war in Ukraine.

On religion

Pronouns

Genderism

Women

Woke

White people

Capitalism

US sovereignty

Sounds more like you legitimately don't care or secretly support certain dictators.

Definitely not leftist ones.

you do understand that you need more than just the base to win a general election, right?

And you do understand that you need to win the EC to win the Presidency and let's not forget the rural counties or flyover forgotten cities that Dems care less about.

Meaning “He did it, but under current OLC guidance (which I think they should have tested) we can’t prosecute him.”

And then less intelligent Voldemort did so many thinks that were so much more criminal, mere obstruction of justice in an election interference investigation got shoved down on the list. 

On the other hand, Rock-star Ron-Ron presents as a man on the spectrum exhibiting more or less functional autism.

Translation: nothing, all the hype, and no fizz.

leftists and their media have zero input into who the Republican nominee is.

Correct, but the DOJ and the NY DA and the GA DA might.

Emperor Vagi-waddle might be in court so much that he has no time to blather to his rubes.

Or maybe he does but the low-jack on his ankle will keep close tabs on him. Wouldn't want him jetting off to a country with no extradition treaty for an extended "vacation."

Bass: I did, I didn't think he was guilty.

You're really struggling to follow conversations tonight. I was asking about the potential espionage charges. If you see the evidence and feel Trump is guilty, would you still support a DeSantis pardon?

You're really struggling

Sorry, I'm not the one struggling, lol

I was asking about the potential espionage charges. If you see the evidence and feel Trump is guilty, would you still support a DeSantis pardon?

I already gave you an answer, relax.

Readers, once again we ask you not to get fixated on this one story.

He also accused Trump of “turning the reins over" to Dr. Anthony Fauci during the COVID-19 pandemic

Point for DeSantis. Trump still believes that the shots were necessary.

Hutchinson, Scott, Haley and Sununu would be stronger general election candidates than either Trump or DeSantis.

This is the truth, ironic as it is. The Republican party is probably going to go with Trump or DeSantis, even though a more rational or moderate nominee would be more likely to beat Biden (or whoever the Democratic nominee is) in a 2024 general election.

Regarding the 2020 election, more actual Democrats would have preferred Sanders or some other candidate over Biden. But the Democratic party as a whole was smart in choosing Biden, because when contrasted with Trump in a general election he was more appealing to moderate voters.

I agree that Trump was warning DeSantis that once he becomes a candidate the left and their media will be after him making up nonsense the same way they do about Trump.

And he gave some examples of what to be prepared for being attacked about.

why are leftists so incessantly posting about the campaign for the Republican nominee?

you have no say in it. Most of you cant even vote for Biden much less vote in the Republican primary.

You wrote some text into a box on your screen but it was unrelatable.

It was relatable.

You don't have to answer;

Then you didn't need to pose a question or make a statement.

Whatever one feels about Biden, Trump, DeSantis.

Please take a openminded deep breath and read some data.

The US media is mesmerized by data analysis

Broad doubts about President Biden's age and acuity spell Republican opportunity in 2024: POLL

https://abc11.com/abc-poll-president-news-washington-post-trump-joe-biden/13223697/

Don't get to hung up on the headline.

This is the truth, ironic as it is. The Republican party is probably going to go with Trump or DeSantis, even though a more rational or moderate nominee would be more likely to beat Biden (or whoever the Democratic nominee is) in a 2024 general election.

At this point and time in history I think both men could beat Biden, when you have Democrats running away from this guy and watching the slow eroding support the Demos know Biden has now become a liability, they know it and the public knows it, but they also know that a Kamala Presidency would ween the nation off the Democrats entirely.

The war in Ukraine.

On religion

Pronouns

Genderism

Women

Woke

White people

Capitalism

US sovereignty

If you're white and the answer is De Santis or Trump, quite frankly you deserve to be replaced.

Less than a quarter of voters turn out for primaries, and the ones who do (especially GOP voters) tend to be more extreme in their views. That’s why the GOP is going for Trump or DeSantis, even though they’re less electable in the general.

i.e. the GOP is hijacked by MAGA, Q, evangelicals, and other feeble-minded weirdos—all the while benefiting no one but the uber wealthy.

As a betting girl I would go for Trump as the Republican nominee, on those numbers, rightly or wrongly without the judgementalism so to speak.

With patience Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis time will come,

black: DeSantis that once he becomes a candidate the left and their media will be after him making up nonsense the same way they do about Trump.

Well to be fair the only media paying out hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements for fake news is on the night. And it will most likely be in the billions once settlements come in from OANN and Newsmax.

If you're white and the answer is De Santis or Trump, quite frankly you deserve to be replaced.

Ahh, nothing racist about that statement there.

Less than a quarter of voters turn out for primaries, and the ones who do (especially GOP voters) tend to be more extreme in their views.

Yeah, sovereign borders, protecting kids, pushing for self-reliance, less government, strong updated and modern military, less spending, no involvement in foreign wars, supporting small businesses, ending gender wars, protecting women, ending wokeness, supporting blue collar workers..

Yeah, all crazy radical views.

That’s why the GOP is going for Trump or DeSantis, even though they’re less electable in the general. 

That’s the liberal guessed perception against

i.e. the GOP is hijacked by MAGA, Q, evangelicals, and other feeble-minded weirdos—all the while benefiting no one but the uber wealthy.

That was too, too funny. If that were only true.

As a betting girl I would go for Trump as the Republican nominee, on those numbers, rightly or wrongly without the judgementalismso to speak

Trump is the favourite at around 1/2 to be the nominee. DeSantis not exactly an outsider at around 3/1. The others outside shots.

Biden is favourite to beat Trump if Trump is the nominee.

And as we know, Biden beat Trump comfortably last time out.

bass: supporting blue collar workers

A blue collar worker has never given me a job.

DeSantis: I’m as crazy and conservative as Trump is!

Trump: No, no, no! Nobody is as crazy and conservative as I am!

I couldn't say Jimizo, or even guess.

I have US friends that tell me I have to be an "American" born and bred to fully understand the voting mindset that defines the political undercurrent prior to a US election.

Ho hum

Ahh, nothing racist about that statement there

I am white. But then I don't feel so pathetically emasculated by the concept of social progress that I go running to halfwits like Trump or De Santis.

less spending

Who’s for that?

Trump went absolutely berserk with the credit card while talking about the best economy in history.

Which candidate did you have in mind?

Anything to distract from the obvious fact that they’re both nuts and they’re both going to lose a general election.

A blue collar worker has never given me a job.

Neither do Democrats

Are there any fiscal conservatives here?

Who would be your preferred choice?

I am white. But then I don't feel so pathetically emasculated by the concept of social progress that I go running to halfwits like Trump or De Santis

Then that is your choice.

Biden is favourite to beat Trump if Trump is the nominee. 

This time seriously doubt it seeing more and more Dems running from this guy.

And as we know, Biden beat Trump comfortably last time out.

Yeah, that was before we heard the testimony of Twitter, execs and read the documents and files from FBI agents and whistleblowers. But then again, you’re not American so you could care less.

Are there any fiscal conservatives here? 

Who would be your preferred choice?

Ron or Don

These two deserve each other. I love to see their bickering; worrying about less important topics like finishing a border wall and what the term "woke" means. This is the way the new Republican party is headed but the country isn't going there with them.

bass: Neither do Democrats

So you hate both.

So you hate both.

Democrats??? Now I do, when I was a kid they were less socialists.

I am white. But then I don't feel so pathetically emasculated by the concept of social progress that I go running to halfwits like Trump or De Santis

Then that is your choice.

MAGA chatbot response v. .01 unironic content.

A great amount of the corporate sponsored Right-wing rhetoric is basically non sequitur noise.

The Greeks would call it Sophism but that would be insulting the Sophists.

The Greeks would call it Sophism but that would be insulting the Sophists.

Indeed. Noted fictional nutter Walter Sopchek from T”he Big Lebowski” could do better than this lot.

An Orwellian moment: when entertaining Sergei Lavrov in the Oval Office, talking Putin's word over that of America's intelligence services, and praising Kim Jong-un. Before Trump, that was so far left that it would have been off the cliff. But now? And black is white and war is peace, eh?

There are no socialists in Congress or under the bed.

Don & Ron the Cons.

What a great duo if they decide to team up.

Finally get America back on track. Like to a time when no new wars were started.

Democrats definitely do not want to see a Trump/DeSantis ticket.

Almost as much as they don't want RFK Jr. to run on a third party ticket.

Regardless, all Americans are looking forward to China getting less aggressive, and for an end to the Ukraine war.

They do want that don't they?

There are no socialists in Congress or under the bed.

Yes, there are a few socialists, and Sanders leading the pact, followed by the squad, and the rest of the Democrats, that went to crap all over Capital listen for the little man

RKL

What a great duo if they decide to team up.

> Finally get America back on track. Like to a time when no new wars were started.

Only concerns American voters.

Sanders is not a socialist.

bass: Democrats???

What? I was just wondering why you fight for blue collar workers when they don't offer jobs. I believe you call such people moochers and talk about robbing Peter to pay Paul. That seems to be your end all when deciding if you support a class of people or not. I'll be happy if you transition your support to the middle class and blue collar workers over the rich, but that would require a fundamental change on your part. And it certainly wouldn't include anything from the Trump/DeSantis platform.

Sanders is not a socialist

Oh, yes, he is. You need his quotes? You are saying the man is lying?? I think he knows himself better than you or I.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-socialist-is-bernie-sanders

There you go.

Sanders calls himself a "democratic socialist" different than a socialist.

"Democratic socialism is defined as having a socialist economy in which the means of production are socially and collectively owned or controlled alongside a liberal democratic political system of government. Democratic socialists reject most self-described socialist states and Marxism–Leninism."

List of social democratic and democratic socialist parties that have governed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_democratic_and_democratic_socialist_parties_that_have_governed

protecting kids,

I’m against that.

protecting women

Against that too!

supporting blue collar workers..

No way. They don’t create jobs.

There you go.

So? The Trump MAGA group got their political playbook from The Handmaid's Tale. Seriously. Give me a socialist that gives me freedom with my body. Everything else like Woke, immigration and all that other garbage can be figured out later and take a major backseat. I want my body back. What have the Republicans turned into?

no involvement in foreign wars

Trump is the new Jefferson Davis for what he did. That is much worse. He, MyPillowGuy, and his Proud Boys attacked his own government. Again, the only other president to do this was Jefferson Davis.

OK MAGA-faithful;

“This is a different guy than 2015, 2016,” DeSantis told a conservative radio host before slamming the bipartisan criminal justice reform legislation Trump championed as “basically a jailbreak bill" that allowed dangerous people out of prison.

So DeSantis says Trump allowed "dangerous criminals" to roam our streets....

True or a lie?

He also accused Trump of “turning the reins over" to Dr. Anthony Fauci during the COVID-19 pandemic,

DeSantis says Trump failed to lead and outsourced COVID to Fauci...

True or a lie?

said Trump had “ endorsed and tried to ram" an “amnesty" bill through Congress and vowed that — unlike the former president — he would finish building the U.S.-Mexico border wall.

DeSantis said Trump is for amnesty for illegal immigrants and failed to build the border wall...

True or a lie?

Either support Universal Healthcare, and Trump promised to replace Obama Healthcare, but he did not.

I’m against that. 

Uh-huh…

Against that too!

Hmmm….

No way. They don’t create jobs.

So don’t give them any?

bass: https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/how-socialist-is-bernie-sanders

Well, that's odd. I did a Google search for "Bernie Sanders socialist" and that was the first result after his Wikipedia page. Did you use the same search words?

And the article itself talks about the fact he's a democratic socialist, and not a socialist. So your article just verifies what everyone here is saying. You'd know that if you had read it, but we all know you mostly just do Google searches and paste in links of what you think looks good without actually reading.

Either support Universal Healthcare, and Trump promised to replace Obama Healthcare, but he did not.

We can’t afford and with the open borders now more than ever we can’t afford it, and definitely no replacing the private healthcare industry.