While Trump touts his debate performance, allies, donors and advisers lament it

"I think it was one of my better debates, maybe my best debate," Trump told the "Fox & Friends" program on Wednesday, adding that he was not sure whether to do another one.

Trump wouldn’t be trying to spin this if he really thought that he had won the debate.

He was just appalling. As the debate progressed, Harris was able to trigger and manipulate him like a puppet. She controlled the narrative.

But does it really matter? The number of undecided voters in the swing states can be counted on one hand. For the debates to make a difference, one candidate would have to implode like Biden or say something by mistake like " I don't believe in God".. But so rehearsed and scripted and will not happen.

I think it was one of my better debates, maybe my best debate," Trump told the "Fox & Friends" program on Wednesday,

If talking about Marxist Dems like Kamala (he never said her name) giving gender reassignment surgery to transgender illegal immigrants in prison for eating cats and dogs is your thing like at Fox then it was a great performance.

adding that he was not sure whether to do another one. "I'd be less inclined ... because we had a great night."

Nah he knows he will get embarrassed again.

Conservatives are acknowledging that it's no use blaming the moderators either:

“Trump lost the debate and whining about the moderators doesn’t change it,” the conservative radio host Erick Erickson wrote on social media. “He didn’t lose because of their behavior. He lost because of his own performance while his lips were moving, not theirs.”

https://x.com/EWErickson/status/1833697789219328371

Mr KiplingToday  06:58 am JST

But does it really matter? 

Possibly not. Hilary Clinton is said to have won her debates against Trump too and that didn't end well.

Mr Kipling

But does it really matter? The number of undecided voters in the swing states can be counted on one hand. 

In Pennsylvania, undecided voters represent 4 or 5%. That’s election winning.

He certainly didn’t come across as a very smart man, just the opposite.

The debate was a surgical manipulation of Trump by Harris. His lack of control was too easy for Kamala to cast, hook, line and sinker the guy. You could hear the reeling in screaming loudly, leading to dum dum reacting so stupidly.

She looked at him like, 'oh, you poor thing'. Kamala's kept looking straight at him, and he couldn't look at her, nor at the camera directly.

He didn't have a chance, because his ego and absurdity allowed her to make the debate hers, and he was intimidated from the second Kamala chased him down to shake hands.

Don Dum dum was weird. Not that I have any faith in undecided voters. Why the heck are they undecided? Because there's this strange neutrality for people who think they're being pragmatic, but they're just wishy washy not to understand how a liar and idiot is one side and smart and supporting of democracy is on the other. If they haven't decided, they're somehow worse than the MAGA, in their indecisive stupidity.

I remember a few years ago in an undecided opinion post debate, some people who were Bernie supporters decided to support Trump. That type of stupidity, going opposite everything, was proof to me the undecided are types who think they're fair with everything, but really they're not smart nor sensible.

he came off an as angry old man, spewing venom and crazy talk.

his second biggest whopper behind eating pets, was him saying that billions of dollars was collected from china in tariffs. the man doesn’t even understand that tariffs are paid by the importer in the u.s.

tariffs only protect a few businesses. many businesses import electrical and mechanical parts from china because they can’t buy them anymore in the u.s.

an example is a speaker company that pays $2 million per month in tariffs for component parts and either they absorb the cost (rarely) or pass it on to the customer.

imagine how much walmart pays in tariffs. as inventory in the pipeline depleted, those tariffs are a major contributor to inflation.

china doesn’t pay tariffs. the american public does. and new manufacturing businesses haven’t sprouted up in the u.s. to make half of the stuff in the american homes.

Nah he knows he will get embarrassed again.

So she will have zero problems debating on Fox News if she will win everytime according to you. She can have a one on one debate this time. No Mike Wallace either.

He is sure he won, and doesn't understand why his superiority isn't recognized... by practically anybody except the hardcore MAGA folks. Even some Fox news reporters are thinking he lost, though not all of them have enough courage to say it.

I think she'd happily do this, but Trump won't agree to another debate under any terms probably. He's rightfully embarrassed, and will try to divert all attention away from this last debate. Get ready for some wild Trump stuff in the next few days to change the news cycle.

So she will have zero problems debating on Fox News if she will win everytime according to you. She can have a one on one debate this time. No Mike Wallace either.

She can have a one on one debate this time. 

Sir, America is facing an existential threat, our pets are disappearing before our eyes. We can’t spare donald for debates, he needs to be in Springfield right now to rescue our cats!!!!

I'd be less inclined ... because we had a great night."

The cats of Springfield agree unanimously.

This is the first time anyone has cared about them, I am in tears!!!!

She wiped the floor with him.

Some Republican officials, donors and advisers said Donald Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, had botched his debate with Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris, although Trump himself praised his performance

Fake establishment news.

izakaya after work, friends and colleagues enquired if I had noticed on my first trip to New York a local "migrant" café/restaurant serving entrées of Pomeranian Pâté, tasty Haitian Beagle Crockpot, followed by a mouth-watering "ginger tom wellington" special?

Smarter not to dwelled on any migrant alleged eating habits

Some Republican officials, donors and advisers said Donald Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, had botched his debate with Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris, although Trump himself praised his performance

LOL

aside from personal attacks in statements and rebuttals, her wheepy personal stories, she said nothing of substance.

Wow, cry me a river...you could float the Titanic with all the MAGA-tears here whining about the "rigged" debate...

Just man-up - your guy lost to a minority woman...got baited, flayed, and played...

Says a lot about MAGA-world when they don't even have the courage to admit what everyone saw with their own eyes...a prosecutorial beat-down...

There was a world record set last night - no, not on the stage…

There was a record number of phone calls made to Nikki Haley’s house….

Well, we got one answer to the question - "Who's going to tell Trump he's got to go?"...

Looks like Lindsey is getting that award....

"For Lindsey Graham, there was only one word for Donald Trump’s Tuesday night debate performance against Kamala Harris: “Disaster.” Trump was unprepared, and his debate team should be fired, Graham told Tim Miller, host of The Bulwark Podcast."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/disaster-lindsey-graham-leads-right-wing-freak-out-over-trumps-debate

Time to tell The Apprentice host, your golf buddy, and the guy in 2016 you said "would bring down the Republican Party", it's now his turn to be fired...

"For Lindsey Graham, there was only one word for Donald Trump’s Tuesday night debateperformance against Kamala Harris: “Disaster.” Trump was unprepared, and his debate team should be fired, Graham told Tim Miller, host of The Bulwark Podcast."

I don't think at this point anyone cares what Lindsey says, and they haven't for a very long time.

I don't think at this point anyone cares what Lindsey says, and they haven't for a very long time.

Very true sir, the purring of the cats of Springfield drowns out everything else!!!!

aside from personal attacks in statements and rebuttals, her wheepy personal stories, she said nothing of substance.

You mean the lady that grew up "Middle Class" who cowered in fear in the Capitol Building on Jan. 6th? lol

And who cares if Taylor Swift endorsed Harris, we have Lara Trump, the MAGA Swift.

The say cats in Springfield screech when she sings!!!

*"For Lindsey Graham, there was only one word for Donald Trump’s Tuesday night debate**performance against Kamala Harris: “Disaster.” Trump was unprepared, and his debate team should be fired, Graham told Tim Miller, host of The Bulwark Podcast."*

I don't think at this point anyone cares what Lindsey says, and they haven't for a very long time.

MAGA-Flip-Alert! MAGA-world has ANOTHER FLIP on Lindsey Graham...

After hating him in 2016, they have loved him since HIS FLIP in 2017...

Now like Mike Pence, he failed to tow the MAGA-line, and is now excommunicated from the cult...

Lucky him...

Mocking the decent people of Springfield OH yet again.

They have been ravaged by policies of the current administration.

Talking down to the issues, and them, just aggravates the reality.

Regardless of Donald Trump’s state if preparedness, spotlight focus should home in on Kamal Harris lack of policy detail, the lack of media access, accountably to public scrutiny, a failure to answer direct questions, lack of ABC moderation follow ups, 

Harris fell back superfluous personal statements, reciting parrot fashion answers replies to superfluous irrelevant questions the moderators never broached.

Him praising himself, while all polls show this:

POTUS to become Harris above 60% - Felon Trump around 30%.

But you can't expect any better comments from a draft-dodging, military insulting, raping, cheating con-man!

Harris fell back superfluous personal statements, reciting parrot fashion answers replies to superfluous irrelevant questions the moderators never broached.

She never answered the question that was asked "Are you financially better off these last 3 years?" she did not answer the question. She didn't read the census data and the polls on how most Americans feel when it comes to the economy and not only did she NOT gain ground on the political issue, she lost another percentage point on it.

https://amac.us/newsline/elections/trump-delivers-haymakers-while-kamala-lectures-voters-during-abc-debate/

**bass4funk**.

That is not their job to fact-check, that has never been the role of a MODERATOR. Doesn't matter which political side of the fence you're on.

It was a nice bonus though. Trump normally lies with impunity.

bass4funk

She never answered the question that was asked "Are you financially better off these last 3 years?" she did not answer the question.

Agreed, but neither did Trump.

bass4funk

She wasn't on the late-term abortion issue

She didn’t lie on the late-term abortion issue.

Waste of precious time bickering endlessly. Surely, politics and excrement are quite similar. Used properly they are both, useful and powerful. And on the other hand both filthy and dirty.

She never answered the question that was asked "Are you financially better off these last 3 years?" 

I’ll admit she could have done better on that one, but she did give an indirect answer by pointing out the mess left by the Trump administration that the Dems had to clean up.

So you’ll have to admit the mods gave her a tough question.

Trump refused to answer if he’d veto a national abortion ban, and if he lost in 2020, and what he’d do with healthcare. For starters.

Harris B+

Trump F

It was a nice bonus though. Trump normally lies with impunity.

I take it you don't listen to libs talk, try it, it will blow your mind.

Agreed, but neither did Trump.

When you only give Kamala, the rebuttal and do not allow him to retort, well, of course.

She didn’t lie on the late-term abortion issue.

She absolutely did, and the fact that she did will haunt her because she forgot, that we have this thing called video as well as physical addresses.

I’ll admit she could have done better on that one, but she did give an indirect answer by pointing out the mess left by the Trump administration that the Dems had to clean up. 

But they didn't, this is why Trump is leading 12 points over her when it comes to the economy and why did she not do anything during these 3 years, but NOW all of a sudden, voting for her will make her do something on the economy? That just doesn't make sense.

So you’ll have to admit the mods gave her a tough question. 

And didn't push her on it. Even CNN pushed both candidates equally, which I still can't get over actually, but they were fair.

Trump refused to answer if he’d veto a national abortion ban, and if he lost in 2020, and what he’d do with healthcare. For starters. 

No, they didn't get on her about the late-term abortion issue and they they just flipped and pushed him more on the issue

Harris F-

Trump C

That was for the Muir lifeline

After the meltdown at the debate, Trump went on Fox and had ANOTHER meltdown...

"After his widely panned performance at his first and potentially final debate against Kamala Harris, Donald Trump demanded that the news network that hosted the matchup have its “license” revoked.

Trump, still fuming just hours after Tuesday’s late-night debate, called into Fox News to blame the ABC News moderators and the network and suggested he won’t want to do another debate at all. “To be honest, they’re a news organization. They have to be licensed to do it. They ought to take away their license for the way they did that,” he told Fox & Friends on Wednesday morning, referencing moderators’ real-time fact checks of several false claims, including conspiracy theories about immigrants stealing and eating pets and “after birth” abortions."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/furious-trump-threatens-abc-s-broadcast-license-after-kamala-harris-debate/ar-AA1qp9Kg?ocid=windirect&cvid=48ccdf4781564bd280a79b24817c3173&ei=68

The hypocrisy and outright stupidity of that remark was completely lost on Trump - saying this on a network that had to pay $787 million for spreading election fraud lies...

MAGA-world is in a freefall....

No democrat is criticizing Kamala's performance. Instead, they're all talking about how masterfully she took him down, how angry he looked, and rambling he sounded, and how he was too weak to look her in the eye.

Plenty of Republicans, including Fox "News" people, talking about how Donald lost bad.

That tells you who won right there.

JJE

Basic honest answer relating to inflation would have been - we jacked it up and robbed you blind. We stole your 12th and half of the 11th pay packet. Work harder for bacon, eggs and milk. And pretend this is not happening.

And yet it was a direct consequence of Covid, so maybe we should be blaming Trump for inflation…

Like Columbo, Trump frequently had “just one more thing” and was allowed to say his extra piece (of nothing much). I think the moderators indulged him enough. Harris wasn’t perfect but Trump was not good at all.

They gave him eight extra minutes over Harris.

Too bad they didn't give him even more. There wasn't a part of the night where he wasn't flustered and rambling. More please!

Trump Vance 2028!

Trump had a "racist grandpa at thanksgiving" moment in front of the entire nation.

Complete with a side of "I saw it on TV, so how can it be fake." lmao

StrangerlandToday  09:10 am JST

Plenty of Republicans, including Fox "News" people, talking about how Donald lost bad.

That tells you who won right there.

Well exactly. It's not really "winning" when everyone on your own side is saying you did a bad job and conceding that your opponent did better.

i agree that fact checking was not supposed to be allowed, but what normal human being can hold their tongue when someone repeatedly says that babies are executed after birth?

this has to stop.

trump is insane.

bass4funk

It was a nice bonus though. Trump normally lies with impunity.

I take it you don't listen to libs talk, try it, it will blow your mind.

Obviously, Kamala didn’t lie as much, otherwise the moderators would have fact checked her.

Agreed, but neither did Trump.

When you only give Kamala, the rebuttal and do not allow him to retort, well, of course.

Trump had rebuttal.

She didn’t lie on the late-term abortion issue.

She absolutely did, and the fact that she did will haunt her because she forgot, that we have this thing called video as well as physical addresses

Nope!

i agree that fact checking was not supposed to be allowed

Why shouldn't they fact check? Opinion checking should not be allowed. Fact checking on the other hand.

They would have fact checked her if she had said anything non-factual.

He whined that they didn't 'fact-check' her on her pointing out his support of project 2025. Um, that would be an opinion-check.

Remember, Kamala figured out that the most sneaky way to prevent the moderators from fact-checking her was to stick to facts.

But does it really matter?

It might not. Hillary won three debates against him, and still lost the election. The American voting populace has the memory of that guy from Memento, and don't remember what it was like under Trump (although a LOT of them had a flashback last night).

He could still win. But there was nothing Harris could have done any better at that debate. Trump's was probably the worst debate performance in history. But the idiots love him.

StrangerlandToday  09:30 am JST

He could still win. But there was nothing Harris could have done any better at that debate. Trump's was probably the worst debate performance in history. But the idiots love him.

It's funny how so many of them said they couldn't wait until the debate. I bet they're all feeling a bit silly right now although they won't admit it. Far less embarassing to keep parroting excuses about moderators.

she never answered the question that was asked "Are you financially better off these last 3 years?"

She pointed out how Trump left the economy with the worst job crisis since the Great Depression, in the middle of a public health crisis, with a crashed stock market, directly addressing how the people are better off than they were five years ago. So yes, she did answer the question. But the answer looks really, really bad for Trump.

Two of the six donors said they were not sure whether Trump should debate her again, with one saying it would hinge on whether his handlers were confident he could be more focused in a second round. Two other donors, however, said they thought Trump needed a second debate in order to regain momentum

Tough one.

I’m not sure how much these debates will affect votes and there is always the possibility that Trump could do even worse. He tunes in and out these days and that was actually one of his better days by recent standards. He’s been a low energy slurring mess at times recently.

Maybe better for the handlers to keep the old man out of debates?

It's funny how so many of them said they couldn't wait until the debate.

I think they all knew just as much as us that he would look as bad as he did, but the hope-ium was strong.

I bet they're all feeling a bit silly right now although they won't admit it. Far less embarassing to keep parroting excuses about moderators.

Yes, now they're on the cope-ium.

Maybe better for the handlers to keep the old man out of debates?

This is the same rock and a hard place they've been in all along. Let him debate, and have another debacle last night, or prevent him from debating, and look weak, basically acknowledging how bad he is.

The Democrats put the Republicans in a lose-lose situation on this one.

This is devastating...a supercut of what the "in the tank" Fox News talking heads said about the debate...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-group-trolls-trump-with-brutal-fox-news-supercut/ar-AA1qpyVH?ocid=windirect&cvid=48ccdf4781564bd280a79b24817c3173&ei=165

When deranged Jesse Watters throws in the towel and says "that was rough", you know things are REALLY bad...

Trump performed like a psychotic rabid dog and schoolyard bully with the most outrageous claims of immigrants eating pets and Harris wanting to give all immigrants in prison transgender operations. There's no need to make any of this up. Trump never fails to show he's mentally unfit for office.

Trump claims Harris supports the execution of babies after birth.

For the voters saying “I need to know more about her policies”, her policy is that she’s not a conspiracy spewing racist criminal nut job like Trump.

Thats more than enough.

Trump's lack of debate won't change the opinions of his base MAGA supporters who will lap it all up and believe it's the truth.

Ron DeSantis, who's facing his own set of major problems in Florida, has to wake up this morning saying;

"Told you so"....

StrangerlandToday  09:22 am JST

i agree that fact checking was not supposed to be allowed

Why shouldn't they fact check? 

one of the terms of the debate was no fact checking by moderators.

one of the terms of the debate was no fact checking by moderators.

Good on them for playing Donald's game against him! Unexpected!

i think that was why the woman moderator (name?) was muzzled after she did it.

ironically, elon musk, trumps new friend, may contribute to the sinking of the uss trump. he’s posting racist memes and made a stunningly stupid post that if trump is not elected, we’ll never get to mars.

huh?

maybe this is a double reverse trick and he’s trying to sink trump?

Here's what I think: a) There was no clear winner; Trump could have done much better (for many people, he still won the debate considering he had to deal with the bias) and Kamala performed well simply by not stuttering (by the normal standards, what Kamala did yesterday was nothing special, which just goes to show how low expectations were for her).

b) The moderator kept interrupting Trump and fact checking him when we all know Kamala lied about the killing of police officers on January 6th, Project 2025, Charlottesville, the economy, open borders, taking guns away from citizens, abortion and her position on fracking (not to mention the fact that she didn't answer (as always) some of the most important questions). 

c) Important, pertinent questions were left out of the debate, plus it is rumored that Kamala was given the questions in advance and clearly the moderators were in favor of Kamala—this just proves that Kamala cannot function in hostile environments and the reason why she avoids unscripted events, obviously she is not qualified for the job, but we already knew that, right?

I guess we shouldn't be surprised by all the whining and unhinged excuses from our Repub friends for Trump getting body-slammed last night....

It's now official Repub mantra - never gracefully and humbling admit defeat - even when the proof is indisputable...

Just stamp your feet like a two-year old, whine incessantly, and make up some kooky excuse...

It's one of the most anti-American and un-democratic aspects of this new "MAGAfied" Repub Party...

c) Important, pertinent questions were left out of the debate, plus it is rumored that Kamala was given the questions in advance

Where did you hear/read this rumour?

This is serious.

Thanks in advance.

Here's what I think: a) There was no clear winner

There was a clear loser: Trump.

rcchToday  10:07 am JST

Trump could have done much better (for many people, he still won the debate considering he had to deal with the bias)...

Not any people who matter though. The people you refer to would still be claiming he won no matter what.

plus it is rumored that Kamala was given the questions in advance and clearly the moderators were in favor of Kamala—this just proves that Kamala cannot function...

How do rumours prove anything?

.

How do rumours prove anything?

We've watched the right pretend that rumours mean everything, since the invasion of Iraq.

who cares about the debate performance, we just want a greater and stronger America, and say NO to mass illegal immigration. Make America Great and Stronger again! Trump is the only choice

we just want a greater and stronger America, and say NO to mass illegal immigration.

And now all of America has seen first hand that Trump blocked border legislation because he wanted to campaign on a problem rather than solve it.

the thing still hanging in the air is that frump had four years and accomplished nothing.

Trump proved that he’s a flat-out lunatic, a racist and dumb as a rock.

MarkToday  10:28 am JST

who cares about the debate performance, we just want a greater and stronger America, and say NO to mass illegal immigration. Make America Great and Stronger again! Trump is the only choice

Well, you've certainly convinced me. I want to emigrate illegally to America and vote for Trump at least twice.

Well exactly. It's not really "winning" when everyone on your own side is saying you did a bad job and conceding that your opponent did better.

And the needle didn’t move on Kamala, so in essence, it is kind of a win because she did a good job bashing Trump and did a horrible job at defining herself.

Trump's lack of debate won't change the opinions of his base MAGA supporters who will lap it all up and believe it's the truth.

Why should it? If my dad doesn’t buy me a car or my brother punches me in the eye, it doesn’t mean I denounce them.

Trump's lack of debate won't change the opinions of his base MAGA supporters who will lap it all up and believe it's the truth.

Why should it? If my dad doesn’t buy me a car or my brother punches me in the eye, it doesn’t mean I denounce them.

True...

That also goes for your heroes telling you to take a vaccine you think is poison or kill babies up until the 15th week when you believe life begins at conception...

In MAGA-world, you don't denounce your leader when he tells you to poison yourself or it's OK to murder children...

That sound like a cult to you?

Sounds like a lot of making excuses and whining. Cling to it, I guess.

Here's what I think: a) There was no clear winner; Trump could have done much better (for many people, he still won the debate considering he had to deal with the bias) and Kamala performed well simply by not stuttering (by the normal standards, what Kamala did yesterday was nothing special, which just goes to show how low expectations were for her).

b) The moderator kept interrupting Trump and fact checking him when we all know Kamala lied about the killing of police officers on January 6th, Project 2025, Charlottesville, the economy, open borders, taking guns away from citizens, abortion and her position on fracking (not to mention the fact that she didn't answer (as always) some of the most important questions). 

c) Important, pertinent questions were left out of the debate, plus it is rumored that Kamala was given the questions in advance and clearly the moderators were in favor of Kamala—this just proves that Kamala cannot function in hostile environments and the reason why she avoids unscripted events, obviously she is not qualified for the job, but we already knew that, right?

It was a nice bonus though. Trump normally lies with impunity.

As well as Harris

Obviously, Kamala didn’t lie as much, otherwise the moderators would have fact checked her.

-Inflation Denial: Harris claimed Trump presided over rampant inflation, while inflation during Trump’s term was far lower than under the Biden-Harris administration.

-Opportunity Economy Claim: Harris said she was the only one with a plan to lift the middle class, ignoring Trump’s 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which benefited millions of middle-income earners.

-Marxist Father: Harris dodged the fact that her father, Donald Harris, was a Marxist professor, a fact confirmed by Snopes.

-Border ‘Security’ Bill: Harris falsely blamed Trump for the failure of a border security bill, which still would have allowed 1.8 million illegal aliens to enter the country.

There are a few hundred more and the mods let it all slip

Trump had rebuttal.

Which Muir made sure Harris had the last one in.

She didn’t lie on the late-term abortion issue.

She absolutely did.l

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/11/abortion-laws-bans-state-map

There are 8 states that have zero restrictions.

Nope!

Yeah, denying the sky is blue won’t change that.

162 lies and distortions in a news conference. NPR fact-checks former President Trump

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1-5070566/trump-news-conference

Harris is leading Trump in the polls by 47% to 44%.

It wasn't Trump's best performance, but he was still streets ahead given Harris's string of lies and the moderators helping her out.

bass4funk

Trump's lack of debate won't change the opinions of his base MAGA supporters who will lap it all up and believe it's the truth.

Why should it? If my dad doesn’t buy me a car or my brother punches me in the eye, it doesn’t mean I denounce them.

Another of your strange comparisons especially since you posted your dad has passed away.

"It wasn't Trump's best performance, but he was still streets ahead given Harris's string of lies and the moderators helping her out."@Bad Haircut.

Well delivered, rehashed good sounding catch- phrases, won't solve the economic problems the American families are undergoing. No difference with good presentation absence of substance. That's the problem with Harris.

bass4funk

-Inflation Denial: Harris claimed Trump presided over rampant inflation, while inflation during Trump’s term was far lower than under the Biden-Harris administration.

Inflation was a direct result of Covid which happened under Trump’s watch. So true.

-Opportunity Economy Claim: Harris said she was the only one with a plan to lift the middle class, ignoring Trump’s 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which benefited millions of middle-income earners.

Most of Trump’s tax cuts help the rich, less so the middle class.

-Marxist Father: Harris dodged the fact that her father, Donald Harris, was a Marxist professor, a fact confirmed by Snopes.

Nobody cares.

-Border ‘Security’ Bill: Harris falsely blamed Trump for the failure of a border security bill, which still would have allowed 1.8 million illegal aliens to enter the country.

Trump nixed the bill. True.

bass4funk

She didn’t lie on the late-term abortion issue.

She absolutely did.l

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/11/abortion-laws-bans-state-map

There are 8 states that have zero restrictions.

She didn’t lie. The states may have zero restrictions, but she was correct in saying that late term abortions don’t happen unless there is a major problem, e.g., health of the mother.

Trump's Chinese trade sanctions and tariffs wiped out the tax deductions except for the rich.

Trump wants to introduce 60% tariffs on Chinese goods and 10% on others—a new Trump tax.

bass4funk

162 lies and distortions in a news conference. NPR fact-checks former President Trump

I would take NPR as serious as I would Joy Behar. They are the last network for anything. lol

It does not matter since you will dismiss them all regardless of who prints them. Hail Caesar.

Inflation was a direct result of Covid which happened under Trump’s watch. So true.

And then under Biden it continued to go up to where it is now to 9% under Kamala.

Most of Trump’s tax cuts help the rich, less so the middle class.

Ok, here’s your chance, list poor people that create jobs.

Nobody cares.

No one cared about the Central Park 5 and yet, they brought it up these mods.

Trump nixed the bill. True.

Which he should have.

aside from personal attacks in statements and rebuttals, her wheepy personal stories, she said nothing of substance.

coming from the party of MAGA whos whole campaign is based on personal attacks. LOL

bass4funk

Inflation was a direct result of Covid which happened under Trump’s watch. So true.

And then under Biden it continued to go up to where it is now to 9% under Kamala.

You forget. Harris is not the president, yet.

It does not matter since you will dismiss them all regardless of who prints them. Hail Caesar.

It does matter, but keep it fair on both sides, if not, we will just. Ignore. It.

Harris' debate pronouncements fact-checked- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeFZZg0spw

--Most of Trump’s tax cuts help the rich, less so the middle class.

Ok, here’s your chance, list poor people that create jobs.

Those billionaires didn't use their tax savings to create jobs either. They used it for themselves. Which is true for all the of big tax breaks they've gotten since Reagan. Trickle down in bunk.

No one cared about the Central Park 5 and yet, they brought it up these mods.

Harris brought it up. To point out Trump's pathetic stance on justice. People care more about that than about Harris' father being a "Marxist" professor. Marx was an economist, not a mass murderer.

--Trump nixed the bill. True.

Which he should have.

Because you believe that "Congress serves at the pleasure of the President". Trump did it for his own benefit, not the country's. As usual.

*is bunk

No one cared about the Central Park 5 and yet.

Black people remember. Same as they remember Trump refusing to rent to black people by telling his people to label their applications with a C for Colored.

bass4funk

Inflation was a direct result of Covid which happened under Trump’s watch. So true.

And then under Biden it continued to go up to where it is now to 9% under Kamala.

Biden is president. Inflation is 2.5%, which is good.

Most of Trump’s tax cuts help the rich, less so the middle class.

Ok, here’s your chance, list poor people that create jobs.

You were complaining about the opportunity economy.

Nobody cares.

No one cared about the Central Park 5 and yet, they brought it up these mods.

I do.

Trump nixed the bill. True.

Which he should have

So true. Needs no moderation.

Harris' debate pronouncements fact-checked- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdeFZZg0spw

Anyone legit? I don't click right-wing youtube links. Pretty much never reliable, and if it were, they could find something better than someone on youtube.

Evasions and lies aside, I think Harris showed how easily rattled Trump is.

All the alpha male posturing but he shrunk on stage there. Got shouty and pouty.

One thing you see with conspiracy theorists like Trump is how thin-skinned they are.

It was weird when he first accused Harris of stealing all his economic policies, then accused her of being a Marxist.

Sufferin’ Succotash self own

Evasions and lies aside, I think Harris showed how easily rattled Trump is.

If she would have said something nice about him at the end, we could have seen him fawn after her like he does dictators.

They play him just as well as she does. Look at how much he gave up for a few "love letters" from North Korea's Kim.

And when he talked about world leaders that respect him during the debate, and the only example he could come up with was Orban and Putin? Oh dear.

Those billionaires didn't use their tax savings to create jobs either.

They absolutely did.

They used it for themselves. Which is true for all the of big tax breaks they've gotten since Reagan. Trickle down in bunk.

Right, which helps payroll and expansions of new workers, job locations, retirement etc.

Harris brought it up.

What for? Why now? For what reason?

To point out Trump's pathetic stance on justice. People care more about that than about Harris' father being a "Marxist" professor. Marx was an economist, not a mass murderer.

Ok, so basically, no reason, just to stall and do what Dems usually do, avoid the issues and pivot back to Trump.

Because you believe that "Congress serves at the pleasure of the President". Trump did it for his own benefit, not the country's. As usual.

Because the bill wouldn’t have done anything to stop the flow of illegals.

then accused her of being a Marxist.

She had the perfect and only real response to that one. She laughed at him in front of America for being an idiot.

The right don't realize that only weird people use "Marxist" as a term.

They absolutely did.

Nope they just hoarded the money.

Not a good night for the T man at all. Hopefully it will humble him a bit and he can reign in those messiah tendencies and get back in point. Definitely needs to hear his own broken record and shift gear.

Once again kudos to Harris for pulling a good ‘performance’ , but she has to remember at least half the country is not in her camp, nor a fan and doesn’t buy the platitudes, rhetoric and what many see as blatant lies and manipulation. Not saying she’s the only one spinning her untruths, there’s plenty to go round on both sides, just pointing out she isn’t as likable as her fans may hope. The road that got her here for one.

Then there’s the smugness, the sense of entitlement and lack of authenticity is still what many, myself included see. Takes a bit more than a bad day for the T man to actually make people rethink their preferences. If only it were that easy huh?

The gloating fest from her die hard fans is also noteworthy, but hey enjoy the moment, but I’d go real easy on it if you want to stretch this win as far as it can be stretched and appeal to the center and those fed up with the democrats playbook.

Still very much an open game, once again may the best candidate for the country win! It won’t be a disaster either way as the very nature of the political games has become a bit of a circus. The sky will not fall! Enjoy the ride folks.

Inflation was a direct result of Covid which happened under Trump’s watch. So true.

Where more people died under Biden, so true.

Biden is president. Inflation is 2.5%, which is good.

And now 9% no wonder Trump keeps slamming Kamala on the economy

Most of Trump’s tax cuts help the rich, less so the middle class.

So how many poor people create jobs?

You were complaining about the opportunity economy.

Nobody cares.

Ohh, so poor people don’t care about jobs?? No wonder Cali and NYC are just trashy forgotten places

No one cared about the Central Park 5 and yet, they brought it up these mods.

I do.

How and why? What does that story do to help pay your bills? I mean, I care about the “Valentine’s day massacre” as well but….

So true. Needs no moderation.

In letting people know what a scam it was, I guess so…

bass4funkToday  12:24 pm JST

It was weird when he first accused Harris of stealing all his economic policies, then accused her of being a Marxist. 

Right! A Marxist stealing a Capitalists idea in order to gather votes, sneaky

Brilliant as usual sir!!!

If Marxists has capitalist ideas, are they still Marxists??

bass4funk

Biden is president. Inflation is 2.5%, which is good.

And now 9% no wonder Trump keeps slamming Kamala on the economy 

Nope 2.5%.

Where more people died under Biden, so true.

sir, do you mean today Biden was President during Covid, and not donald as everyone thought, shocking !!!!

And now 9% no wonder Trump keeps slamming Kamala on the economy

Shocking that inflation is 9% in , errr emm where?

So how many poor people create jobs?

Correct, and why do poor people need jobs anyway, do they think they are rich!!!

Nope 2.5%.

https://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp?reloaded=true

https://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp?reloaded=true

Fake news.

Very debunked.

I would take NPR as serious as I would Joy Behar. They are the last network for anything. lol

NPR's reportage and Tiny desk concerts are a treasure. Your tastes may run more toward catturd2 and NewsMax.

It was weird when he first accused Harris of stealing all his economic policies, then accused her of being a Marxist.

Who was it that introduced price controls on essential items and the first US Basic Income?

At least Kamala knows what Marxism is , and she isn't it.

bass4funk

Nope 2.5%.

https://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp?reloaded=trueCurrent

From your link:

Annual inflation for the 12 months ending August 2024 is 2.53%

The MSM and others did everything they could to prop up Biden, and after his disastrous debate they put all their efforts to prop up Harris. Does anyone actually believe that the Trump-Harris debate was not setup to prop up Harris and bring down Trump?

The MSM and others did everything they could to prop up Biden, and after his disastrous debate they put all their efforts to prop up Harris. Does anyone actually believe that the Trump-Harris debate was not setup to prop up Harris and bring down Trump?

It worked! Seeing as you seem to have sour grapes about it, maybe you guys need a better strategist since the Dems are gaming you by your own admission.

The MSM and others did everything they could to prop up Biden, and after his disastrous debate they put all their efforts to prop up Harris. Does anyone actually believe that the Trump-Harris debate was not setup to prop up Harris and bring down Trump?

No, sane people with cognition do not.

Fake news.

Financial news is fake? Yeah, no wonder Trump keeps killing Harris on the economy, the left can’t do math

From your link:

Annual inflation for the 12 months ending August 2024 is 2.53%

Sir, you have to excuse my fellow billionaire’s reading skills, he cannot be expected to read everything he posts!!!!

The kind of cultists that believe that Hatians are stealing pets for food are the same goobers that believe in 9% inflation and that the government is lying about the inflation rate.

Right! A Marxist stealing a Capitalists idea

Lol, not even you believe this.

If Muir was able to control the ‘master negotiator’ maybe he should be President

Beats voting for a ‘leader’ whose main approach is either “I know nothing about that” or “I had nothing to do with that”.

Inflation is down from the June 2022 peak of 9.06%,

Annual inflation for the 12 months ending August 2024 is 2.53%

but even moderate inflation can rapidly erode purchasing power and creates uncertainty as businesses have more difficulty estimating future costs.

So basically, people are still in a bind, this further helps Trump

but even moderate inflation can rapidly erode purchasing power and creates uncertainty as businesses have more difficulty estimating future costs.

And inflation is at 2.5%.

Does anyone actually believe that the Trump-Harris debate was not setup to prop up Harris and bring down Trump?

Just give him a mic and enough rope.

Even if your little conspiracy is true, so what? He got played. Who wants a ‘leader’ who gets played so easily?

NPR's reportage and Tiny desk concerts are a treasure.

Huh???

Your tastes may run more toward catturd2 and NewsMax. 

Facts. The left hate just so much. 

Who was it that introduced price controls on essential items and the first US Basic Income?

Who is currently in office now? How will Kamala catch up to Trump regarding the economy?

At least Kamala knows what Marxism is , and she isn't it.

She is and much more, but since this is a wholesome family site, I’ll digress.

Nice to see Trump extending a genuine warm handshake to Harris at the 9/11 service. He does not seem as evil as the Biden/Harris camp make him out to be.

but even moderate inflation can rapidly erode purchasing power and creates uncertainty as businesses have more difficulty estimating future costs.

When Harris catches up to Trump regarding the economy, I’ll apologize

*Inflation is down from the June 2022 peak of 9.06%**, *

That is indeed good news sir, let’s congratulate President Biden

Annual inflation for the 12 months ending August 2024 is 2.53%

but even moderate inflation can rapidly erode purchasing power and creates uncertainty as businesses have more difficulty estimating future costs.

Sir, you are bold and brilliant, where do you copy that from?

So basically, people are still in a bind, this further helps Trump

Very true sir, Harris should concede right now!!!

Lol, not even you believe this. 

Wish it weren’t so, but…

If Muir was able to control the ‘master negotiator’ maybe he should be President 

No, but he did what he was ordered to do

Beats voting for a ‘leader’ whose main approach is either “I know nothing about that” or “I had nothing to do with that”.

And yet, the liberal lemmings still want the….woman

FYI, "moderate inflation" is an economic term meaning "between 15 and 30 percent". 2.5% is squarely in the range of what is called "optimal inflation" and very, very close to the target of most countries

Sorry, you don’t need to convince that it was 9% up until June, convince the people that worry about their money and that are voting for Trump

*Inflation is down from the June 2022 peak of 9.06%**, *

9% Down to 2.5% is a pretty amazing cut of inflation. It is proof in case of how the Harris administration clearly knows how to cut inflation. And shows why their question about "why haven't you done it already" only shows that they don't consume any news outside the far right extremist fake-news MSM which hides the Harris administration's accomplishments.

Remember, Right-wing historians rated Donald Trump the third worst president ever. Right-wing.

The debate was a surgical manipulation of Trump by Harris. His lack of control was too easy for Kamala to cast, hook, line and sinker the guy. You could hear the reeling in screaming loudly, leading to dum dum reacting so stupidly.

From what I saw I also think Harris did a bit better than Trump, but this kind of " surgical manipulation " worship talk by the Dems fan base is amusing ;)

When Harris catches up to Trump regarding the economy, I’ll apologize 

Sir, the world owes you an apology.

Everyone thinks you are just another unemployed MAGA feverishly copying and pasting from the MAGA media, but they don’t realize you are a brilliant billionaire!!!

55 claims in the debate nearly all were proven false nealry all made by Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/11/fact-check-presidential-debate-harris-trump/

surgical manipulation " worship talk by the Dems fan base is amusing ;)

EVERYONE told him to keep his cool. He snapped and was a blathering old man by the end.

If it's not surgical manipulation, it must mean he's weak, and it was simple manipulation.

And you think that makes him qualified to be president?

convince the people that worry about their money and that are voting for Trump

Flat earth politics.

burgers and beers

From what I saw I also think Harris did a bit better than Trump, but this kind of " surgical manipulation " worship talk by the Dems fan base is amusing ;)

That’s because, as I predicted, she wiped the floor with Trump.

And yet, the liberal lemmings still want the….woman

Most people do.

By the way, misogyny is weakness.

That’s because, as I predicted, she wiped the floor with Trump.

I was saying it for weeks, and let this be my official "I told you so" to the right.

As I said, it was the prosecutor versus the felon. She prosecuted him in front of America.

"That’s because, as I predicted, she wiped the floor with Trump."

Lol, ok then, you also predicted Biden would wipe the floor with Trump ;) Neither was correct.

And yet, the liberal lemmings still want the….woman

And yet, when bass gets stuck into his own corner he resorts to calling Harris a woman of ill repute.

Lol, ok then, you also predicted Biden would wipe the floor with Trump ;) Neither was correct.

He did - Trump was just as rambling in that debate as this one.

Unfortunately for Ol' Joe, he wiped himself out in the process as well.

I bet the Republicans are wishing they had let their eyes be open after that last debate because now it's too late to swap Donald "Abe Simpson" Trump out for someone younger.

burgers and beers

"That’s because, as I predicted, she wiped the floor with Trump."

Lol, ok then, you also predicted Biden would wipe the floor with Trump ;)

Nope. I did not. Saying it more doesn’t make it true.

Harris wasn’t perfect, but she did well against her opponent. Trump, on the other hand, was a bit of a disaster. He could have pressed her on, say, the withdrawal from Afghanistan (one of the questions she didn’t answer directly); instead he chose Harris’ “bused-in” audiences, pet cuisine in Springfield, his buddy Orban and some guy called Abdul.

Imagine it back say 40 years ago if you could imagine a candidate for president trying to make a case for his elevation by saying immigrants were eating pets. It's laughably inept.

Oh boy, stand by for another huge MAGA-FLIP....

"RFK Jr., a staunch supporter and endorser of Donald Trump, told Fox News that Vice President Kamala Harris “clearly won” the presidential debate against Trump on Tuesday.

“Vice President Harris clearly won the debate in terms of her delivery, her polish, her organization and her preparation,”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1/liveblog_66e21a87e4b055a0b2a4ec61

Remember when Trump and MAGA-world called RFK Jr "the world biggest Liberal Lunatic?"

Then they FLIP-FLOPPED and said he was someone they "like and respect"....

Guess who is now going back to being a Liberal Lunatic...

MAGA-world - one flip-flop after another...

Nope. I did not. Saying it more doesn’t make it true.

Yes, you did. Denying it doesn't change it. As I said, I think Harris did a bit better in this debate than Trump but there was no "floor wiping ".

Donald Trump was open book, Kamala as with CNN Dana Bash, was a master class in evasive weaselly avoidances.

Never answering the question asked, only a smug gushing life story kiss and cry.

Aided by a loving will ABC moderation.

Harris conceited bribery, all unfunded.

Harris brand of supercilious sneering condescension.

Still Harris played a blinder.

He’s also an adjudicated sex offender, a convicted felon, a fraud, and dumb as a rock.

If the guy were dumb, the so called smart left wouldn’t be after this guy because as legend would have it, smart people are above dumb people, but this is just a mere folklore, yes?

Never answering the question asked, only a smug gushing life story kiss and cry.

Trump didn't answer the questions he was asked, only anger and gushing of frustration.

Why does he get a pass and not her?

If the guy were dumb, the so called smart left wouldn’t be after this guy because as legend would have it, smart people are above dumb people, but this is just a mere folklore, yes?

He's definitely the idiot whisperer. He's got that one weird social intelligence.

*"RFK Jr., a staunch supporter and endorser of Donald Trump, told Fox News that Vice President Kamala Harris “clearly won”** the presidential debate against Trump on Tuesday.*

“Vice President Harris clearly won the debate in terms of her delivery, her polish, her organization and her preparation,” 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1/liveblog_66e21a87e4b055a0b2a4ec61

Remember when Trump and MAGA-world called RFK Jr "the world biggest Liberal Lunatic?"

*Then they FLIP-FLOPPED and said he was someone they "like and respect"....*

Guess who is now going back to being a Liberal Lunatic...

*MAGA-world - one flip-flop after another...*

I know you like going on your usual daily tangent, but what does RFK Jr. his support for Trump have anything to do with how Kamala evaded answers and David Muir was her Knight in shining adamantium armor??

burgers and beersToday  01:28 pm JST

As I said, I think Harris did a bit better in this debate than Trump but there was no "floor wiping ".

How come Trump is getting slammed even by Republicans and conservatives then? If he'd merely been a bit lacklustre they would all be standing behind him and putting a more positive spin on it.

Nope, I'm not calling anyone any names. That's your specialty , friend ;)

Snap? who? cool as cucumber there son ;)

I know you like going on your usual daily tangent, but what does RFK Jr. his support for Trump have anything to do with how Kamala evaded answers

Trump refused to answer if he would sign a full abortion ban, or whether he supports Ukraine.

Why does he get a pass on not answering?

how Kamala evaded answers and David Muir was her Knight in shining adamantium armor??

She did avoid answering some questions directly, yes. However, Trump was given plenty of time and overtime to have his say. That he still didn’t have enough time was more on him. Also, what were his answers on, say, the topics of healthcare, climate change action or vetoing a national abortion ban?

How come Trump is getting slammed even by Republicans and conservatives then?

Some, not all and it is mostly because he took a Kamala’s bait, but having said that, he didn’t do as bad as the Dems wanted. They wanted him to go nuke on Harris and he managed to restrain himself, but the bigger topic is, Trump basically battled 3 people and he did pretty good given the sneaky circumstances

If he'd merely been a bit lacklustre they would all be standing behind him and putting a more positive spin on it.

Naw, he’s fine, didn’t give her a major jump, so it’s a wash in that sense.

Trump was never going to ever be allow access for second term.

No matter the cost.

he didn’t do as bad as the Dems wanted

He did exactly as bad as we hoped in our best hopes!

He did exactly as bad as we hoped in our best hopes!

When Kamala gets 52% bounce then maybe you can call it that