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White House preparing for government shutdown as House Republicans lack a viable endgame for funding

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By JOSH BOAK, STEPHEN GROVES and LISA MASCARO

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Gaetz and his allies say they want to see the House engage in the hard work of legislating

No they don't. Instead of lawmaking they are pursuing an impeachment investigation into Biden, based on no evidence of wrongdoing.

— even if it pushes the country into a shutdown —

They want the shutdown, hoping it slows the economy and Biden gets the blame.

as they pursue sizable reductions and cuts.

Not going to happen, because they lack the votes for such unpopular cuts. Even if it pased the house (and it won't), it won't pass the Senate.

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Any progress we are making is in spite of, not due to McCarthy,” Gaetz posted on social media, deriding the speaker for having sent lawmakers home for the weekend. “Pathetic.”

Anyone who voted for the Trump corporate tax cuts, gifts to his crony corporate backers should be fundamentally disqualified from taking part in the budget negotiations.

Gaetz voted for the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017.He acknowledged that the bill's pass-through tax deduction would benefit Trump, but added, "so many Americans benefit when commercial real estate becomes easier and more accessible."

He remarked this as a majority of Americans are being priced out of the housing market.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/affordable-home-housing-us-redfin-report/

The GOP is the party of culture wars and crony capitalism.

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The saddest part is that anything that comes out of the Republican House Caucus is dead on arrival in the US Senate. It isn't going anywhere. Whatever appropriations bill that makes it to the President's desk will be something crafted in a Budget Reconciliation Committee composed of members of both houses of Congress. Then it is voted on by the full membership of both houses. Eight or ten far right flame throwers are not going to be able to stop that bill from passing. Truly what is going on in the House of Representatives is just a futile waste of time and energy, but they can do considerable harm in the process.

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Republicans will get a big lesson in what the government does for them when their food stamps, tax refunds, and veterans benefits stop.

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Commenting and do not have accurate knowledge is another thing,when you do not know how American legislation is crafted

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YrralToday  08:24 am JST

Commenting and do not have accurate knowledge is another thing,when you do not know how American legislation is crafted

That's not what you said before: "you have no say in America politics,worry about your own country." That means people from other countries shouldn't comment on American politics even if they do actually know a lot about it.

Look - I'm guessing you're not from the UK but as far as I'm concerned when there's an article about British politics you can say anything you like about it and no one has the right to tell you otherwise. To me the whole "butt out of it, you're foreign" argument just looks like a lazy riposte to comments you don't like but can't think of better responses to.

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The saddest part is that anything that comes out of the Republican House Caucus is dead on arrival in the US Senate.

And that’s the problem. Mitch and his inability to work on behalf of his constituents, and has become a political Washington swamp elite.

It isn't going anywhere.

No, it probably isn’t and the Dems also know that the current Senate map doesn’t look good for them at this point as well. Like with this current President and a few other politicians on both sides of the aisle that are working beyond their political expiration date.

When you look at entitlement programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Social Security, and Medicare can experience disruptions during a government shutdown. For instance, if the shutdown persists, SNAP benefits may face delays in distribution. Additionally, the issuance of cards and benefit verifications for Social Security and Medicare recipients can be “temporarily” halted. However, it's important to note that benefits for individuals already enrolled in Social Security or Medicare will generally continue without interruption during a government shutdown.

Whatever appropriations bill that makes it to the President's desk will be something crafted in a Budget Reconciliation Committee composed of members of both houses of Congress. Then it is voted on by the full membership of both houses. Eight or ten far right flame throwers are not going to be able to stop that bill from passing.

No, but that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t try, but the Dems know that this spending spree is slowly coming to its much needed conclusion. I’m not sure how this will end up, but I do appreciate the effort so far be this kind of spending is unsustainable and needs to stop. One area where we can save billions is to stop giving too much aid to Ukraine, that would be a good start. Second to drastically cut unnecessary entitlements, go back to serious domestic energy production, there are many ways that the US can recover without being subjected to these politically driven shutdowns which essentially benefits no one.

Truly what is going on in the House of Representatives is just a futile waste of time and energy, but they can do considerable harm in the process.

Representing your constituents is a waste of time? That is definitely a liberal mindset.

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That means people from other countries shouldn't comment on American politics even if they do actually know a lot about it. 

Nothing wrong with sharing opinions, we all have them.

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bass4funkToday  08:49 am JST

That means people from other countries shouldn't comment on American politics even if they do actually know a lot about it. 

Nothing wrong with sharing opinions, we all have them.

I know. I was responding to another comment, which you didn't quote.

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Republicans will get a big lesson in what the government does for them when their food stamps, tax refunds, and veterans benefits stop.

This is incorrect. Appropriations care either discretionary or mandatory. In the event of a government shut down discretionary spending would cease but mandatory spending would not. Social Security and Veterans Benefits will still be paid. VA Medical Centers will remain open but some functions will be off line like call centers. Benefit verifications and card issuance would be suspended. Medicare and Medicaid payments will still be made.

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (aka Food Stamps ) is a mandatory program but if a shut down last more than 30 days the government may not be able to distribute benefits beyond that.

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The Trump members want to defund the feds so Trump doesn't go to jail. They are willing to stop the operations of the US government over Trump. This is all about Trump.

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The fact that a few nutcases can control the country is downright disturbing. When people stop getting social security next month, there will be hell to pay in elections next year. People will not forget.

The country is in serious jeopardy. I’m glad I’ll be dead and gone when it collapses 20 years from now.

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The Trump members want to defund the feds so Trump doesn't go to jail. They are willing to stop the operations of the US government over Trump. This is all about Trump.

That is one aspect but I would argue it is a comparatively minor one. This is more about culture war matters and personal animosities among a minority of House Republicans. Some also are so upset that they cannot get their way in legislation they are willing to destroy everything to try to get their way. There is no sense of compromise for a greater good because some Republicans see no greater good.

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nishikatToday  09:04 am JST

The Trump members want to defund the feds so Trump doesn't go to jail. 

Didn't Trump actually make a comment like that? Wasn't he saying they should shut down the government so there's no funding for federal prosecutors to take him to court? Personally, I don't know why he would want to happen that if he's innocent, and he can afford the best defense attorneys money can buy.

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What we are seeing in the Republican Party is the optimistic Republicanism of the Reagan years, the of America being the shining city on a hill and the feeling that America always has a better day ahead of it being replaced by the Donald Trump pessimism that America is corrupt, in decline, rotten to the core and rigged and the answer is retribution. Shutting the government down for some House Republicans seems to be their idea of retribution and they seem to feel the government can't do bad things if we shut it all down. It is a very nihilistic point of view.

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nishikat

The Trump members want to defund the feds so Trump doesn't go to jail. They are willing to stop the operations of the US government over Trump. This is all about Trump.

They don't seem to realize that the courts will continue to function and it won't delay Trump's cases...

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Didn't Trump actually make a comment like that? Wasn't he saying they should shut down the government so there's no funding for federal prosecutors to take him to court? Personally, I don't know why he would want to happen that if he's innocent,

I think Donald Trump would like to fool himself into thinking that is their reason for shutting down the government but he would be wrong as I mentioned above.

 and he can afford the best defense attorneys money can buy.

Can he? It strikes me that the best attorneys are avoiding him like a communicable disease.

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I know. I was responding to another comment, which you didn't quote.

I just opined only

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Gee, I wonder who we should blame for this utter failure and debacle....

Well, here's who MAGA-hero Matt Gaetz says is responsible; "It's Kevin McCarthy's fault that the government will shut down"....

https://news.yahoo.com/gaetz-government-shutdown-mccarthys-fault-120220000.html

And they're not only blaming McCarthy, five Freedom Caucus members to include MTG VOTED WITH DEMOCRATS yesterday to sink McCarthy's bill supported by 212 other Repubs...

Imagine that, MTG voting with Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Swalwell, et al, and against McCarthy and Team Red...

Makes one wonder which team these FC folks are really on....ROFL...

So which side are our MAGA-friends here on - McCarthy-McConnell or MTG-Pelosi?

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Makes one wonder which team these FC folks are really on....ROFL...

It's the Screw McCarthy Caucus

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The fact that a few nutcases can control the country is downright disturbing.

Yes, this administration never ceases to amaze.

When people stop getting social security next month, there will be hell to pay in elections next year. People will not forget.

They won’t and the way the Dems are spending money like some Tony Montana Coke addict, Social Security won’t be around in another decade or less.

The country is in serious jeopardy.

Now the left are panicking.

I’m glad I’ll be dead and gone when it collapses 20 years from now.

It might be sooner than that.

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Donald Trump pessimism that America is corrupt, in decline, rotten to the core and rigged and the answer is retribution.

He wasn’t talking about the country, he was talking about the pinheaded politicians running it.

Shutting the government down for some House Republicans seems to be their idea of retribution and they seem to feel the government can't do bad things if we shut it all down.

No, trying to curtail the spending, but like I said, the Dems could care less because it’s not their money, why would they care? They don’t even care about their biggest voting constituents, zero! So why should they care about the country.

It is a very nihilistic point of view.

Is it?

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Representing your constituents is a waste of time? That is definitely a liberal mindset.

If you lived in Kevin McCarthy's district as I do you would know that is emphatically not the case. When he visits our town he makes it a point that he is there to meet certain people only and nobody else is allowed to see him. Sheriffs are present to chase off anyone or any group that gathers outside of one of his meetings to protest. There are no town halls with his constituents to hear their concerns. He answers to his donor base through Mark Abernathy's old political machine, Western Pacific Research. His constituents are corporate farmers and oil companies. The rest of us in his district are of no concern to him because he knows WPR will deliver him to office. Republican primaries are never contested. WPR anoints the Republican candidates, funds their campaigns and tells them what to say. As long as they are dutiful soldiers the money and support is unlimited.

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he fact that a few nutcases can control the country is downright disturbing.

Yes, this administration never ceases to amaze.

What?

When people stop getting social security next month, there will be hell to pay in elections next year. People will not forget.

They won’t and the way the Dems are spending money like some Tony Montana Coke addict, Social Security won’t be around in another decade or less.

"Tony Montana Coke Addict" - good description of MTG and the four other Freedom Caucus members that VOTED WITH Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, and Swalwell to sink McCarthy and Team Red's defense bill yesterday...

Thursday's vote failed 212-216. The Republicans who voted no were Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, Dan Bishop of North Carolina, Matt Rosendale of Montana and Andy Biggs and Eli Crane, both of Arizona. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-republicans-still-dont-votes-government-shutdown-looms-rcna111338

Maybe they should change their name from Freedom Caucus to Tony Montana Coke Addict Caucus?

The country is in serious jeopardy.

Now the left are panicking.

Yep, did you see the Dems just called their Speaker a "lying dog", "weak", and a "small. pathetic man"..... Wait, might have got the party wrong...

ROFL...

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Kevin takes yet another L.

He’s becoming a real pro at that.

Don't worry, “My Kevin.”

You won’t have to suffer these indignities much longer….

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Does the GOP think nobody can see the dysfunctional state of their party? It’s blindingly obvious that they are not a serious alternative to the Democrats.

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If you can’t even keep the government running, why would anybody believe you can do the even moderately hard things?

“My Kevin” is an incompetent Buffon trying to corral a raving band of lunatics pretending to be “conservatives”.

They’re not conservatives, they’re nihilists. And he’s not a leader, he’s a sycophant to a sociopath.

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The GOP is screwed.

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Neither China nor Japan are what I see as a model of good governance. Especially China. I care about what my nation does.

The US doesn’t, especially when it comes to immigration.

Welcoming immigrants is how the United States became the powerful and prosperous nation it is today.

Legally, I wholeheartedly agree. I want that as well, people with skills and merit or people that worked for the US like many of these Afghan soldiers that I think without a doubt should be in the country.

Today the native total fertility rate is far below replacement.

Look at the economic, social situation in the US, you have to be nuts to have a child in this time period.

Without new immigration the population will age out like Japans and China and begin to decline, with serious negative consequences for the economy and for the nations prosperity. The US needs immigrants. 

Ok, so you’re saying the rest of the country should look like California and New York with thousands of unskilled, un-vetted and low educated illegals, only bad things can happen and are starting to happen

What I see in the objection to immigration is objection to skin color, language and religion.

No, unskilled, uneducated, un-vetted is the reason-period.

If it was a bunch of white English speakers immigrating here the Republicans would be cheering wildly.. But lo their skin is dark, they speak funny languages and have religions we do not understand. Baaaad immigrant, baaaad.

Not sure what that rant and deflection was all about, but it has zero merit to the discussion. When the left get cornered on the issue of immigration or any social narrative they can’t define, pivot to “race.”

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Look at the economic, social situation in the US, you have to be nuts to have a child in this time period.

Then send me to the asylum. I'm 65 with a 9yo. It is the most rewarding, frustrating and daunting thing I have ever taken on and this is coming from a former Naval Aviator accustomed to taking some risks. But I would not do it differently.

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McCarthy is just the driver of this crazy clown car.

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McCarthy is just the driver of this crazy clown car.

I don't know, I think he's tied to the back bumper by his feet and his caucus is dragging him down a bumpy dirt road.

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So unannounced at the border. Disgusting.

Why? Until not all that long ago that is how it was always done. You took a ship from somewhere and just arrived. Most went through Ellis or Angel Islands but plenty more just stepped off the boat somewhere like Savannah or Charleston and disappeared into the population. Likewise families lived on both sides of the southern border with Mexico and traveled pretty much freely. This whole border control thing is relatively recent in US history, from the 1950s.

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Wanna know how far the Repubs have sunk and how bad things are for McCarthy?

Even members of his own party are saying Pelosi was a better Speaker than he is...

"Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.) on Thursday lauded former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and dissed current Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.). 

When CNN’s Kaitlan Collins asked the lawmaker if he still supported McCarthy, Burchett said he had his doubts. He then veered into praise for Pelosi, who was often demonized by the GOP during her long reign as speaker and Democratic leader.

“I have my questions. ... We need leadership, ma’am,” Burchett said. “We don’t need someone just to say we’ve got 218 votes or whatever that jumps on the train after it leaves the station.”

Burchett said Pelosi was an example of how to get things done.

“I don’t agree with her ever, hardly on anything, but she was pretty successful, and the way she did it was she put an issue out amongst her caucus,” he said. “She met with them. She figured out what they wanted. And then they put it on the floor and they passed it. And they rallied around it.”

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/gop-congressman-gushes-over-nancy-114502822.html

How's that for Team Red loyalty and cohesion...

What an utter failure and debacle for the Repubs...

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Still waiting Bass - why no answer?

Why don't we get back on-topic and you can explain to us why MTG and her FC cohorts are colluding with Pelosi and Schiff to sink Repub bills and humiliate your guy McCarthy?

Tell us why they aren't "Tony Montana Coke Addicts" like they Dems they are voting with...

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During Trump's government shutdown, 800,000 workers were furloughed or worked without pay.

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Still waiting Bass - why no answer?

You said something?

Why don't we get back on-topic and you can explain to us why MTG and her FC cohorts are colluding with Pelosi and Schiff to sink Repub bills and humiliate your guy McCarthy?

I gave an answer yesterday.

Tell us why they aren't "Tony Montana Coke Addicts" like they Dems they are voting with...

You’ll get the same unchanged answer as yesterday.

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