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Heh, would we have it any other way?

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Sheesh, this is like Groundhog Day. One would think Ryan would have noticed that he and Romney lost.

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"Ryan, the Republican party’s 2012 vice-presidential candidate, said his budget would alleviate the “crushing burden” of debt that is threatening America’s future and would cut $4.6 trillion in spending."

Scare tactics and total crap. The debt has stabilized and is even projected to decline. Just by implementing means testing and raising the income threshold of Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid would solve most of the problem. Beware of ulterior motives by Ryan and his ilk. This is only an excuse to cut the programs they don't like or that don't benefit them.

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Did the Republicans miss the results of the last election? These are basically the same ideas that voters soundly defeated just back in November. I for one believe Medicare and Social Security need to be trimmed, but this approach is just nonsense. Stop preaching ideology simply because your "base" needs to hear it, ad nauseaum, and finally come up with some ideas that are real world. God, the Tea Party movement has set the U.S. back at least a decade.

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White House: Republican budget 'doesn't add up'

How would Obama know that - he has never had a budget! Which is not much of a newsflash given the $6 trillion in debt he has run up over the last four years. If and when Obama is ever able to get his Democrat buddies in the Senate to pass one of his budgets then he can talk - until then, he should know better than to give others advice on their budgeting skills.

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My, my, Ryan certainly has a way with words. Asked about, say, the $700 billion in Medicare savings that Obama budgeted and the Ryan/Romney campaign bitterly opposed, and he says:

We’re not going to refight the past.

Yet his budget calls for the repeal of Obamacare, which, to put it mildly, is a Rockyesque refight. Care to explain, Mr. Ryan?

This to us is something that we’re not going to give up on because we’re not going to give up on destroying the health-care system for the American people.

Ah, I see. That clarifies things quite well, thank you very much.

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Laguna: "Sheesh, this is like Groundhog Day. One would think Ryan would have noticed that he and Romney lost."

Wouldn't be Republican if he noticed and learned from it.

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How would Obama know that - he has never had a budget!

Obama is on the record for the first President in US history to NOT having budget. The man wants to seriously expand the government, wants to spend money, we DO NOT have, wants to print money, but doesn't want to sit down with Republicans and come up with any budget. Applause to the man that is destroying America at its very core. Math is definitely NOT one of Obama's best skills.

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This is just free publicity for Paul Ryan 2016. Slipping in the poison pill of repealing Obamacare makes his budget meaningless, but it accomplishes his real goal of sending a message to his conservative base. We aren't watching a man present a budget, we're watching a man trying to get elected.

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Obamacare should be repealed, as it is, where are we going to get the money from. This is a disaster in the making, the worst move that this radical President could ever do. Obama has been demonizing Republicans, he is not sincere, the ONLY thing this man cares about is unseating Boehner and hopefully turning the House Democratic again, so that the final last 2 years he can push all of his radical agendas through. If anyone thinks otherwise, is living in a cave. This President is the most divisive ever! Of course, the don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth and rightfully so.

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Obama is on the record for the first President in US history to NOT having budget.

Hey, Bass: Look! This link will take you to Obama's budget proposal for Fiscal Year 2013 and contains the Budget Message of the President, information on the President’s priorities, budget overviews organized by agency, and summary tables!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Overview

It is not that the President has not offered a budget - he is required to by law - it is that Congress has been unable to adopt a budget, instead funding the government by "continuing resolutions" (i.e., surrender to the status quo).

Your argument is at any rate disingenuous: Obama has less control over the budget than my dog does over what he gets for dinner (my dog can at least snatch something without worry that I will impeach him from his position of house dog). If you want to place blame for the lack of a budget, place it where it is due: on Congress.

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If you want to place blame for the lack of a budget, >place it where it is due: on Congress.

The Democrat majority that controls the Senate?

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This is just free publicity for Paul Ryan 2016.

You've got to be kidding if you think this is publicity. The article is riddled with nothing but negativity toward Ryan, his budget and the Republicans and nothing but whitehouse talking points repeated over and over again and insulting readers by calling it unbaised news.

First paragraph:

and would be sure to hurt healthcare for the elderly

The article has Ryan throwing granny of the cliff right out of the box. The article's anti Republican bias just gets worse and worse from there. Funny, I couldn't find one negative thing about Obama or the Democrats in this article at all. Such a sorry state journalism has become in the U.S

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If you think I believe ANYTHING that comes out of this WH, I have a ship to sell you. Nancy Pelosi said the other day on CNN with Crowley that Obama has always been forthcoming and sincere in reaching out to Republicans, I hadn't laughed so hard since watching the second "American Pie!" Nancy Pelosi is on some very serious hallucinogenics. Obama has been hostile and unwilling to meet headlong with Republicans on virtually ANY issue. Nancy Pelosi sits on national Television and lies to the world and wants Americans to think that Obama is a bipartisan President?? ROFL

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/276397-ryan-asks-white-house-if-it-will-miss-budget-deadline-again

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"The article has Ryan throwing granny of the cliff right out of the box."

The article is reporting on what the White House said. It isn't offering an opinion there to be fair Sail, you are breathing that in to keep your media conspiracy alive......

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The article is reporting on what the White House said.

The article isn't reporting it's repeating what the White House said and is just giving it free publicity for its talking points and slamming Ryan and the Republicans as usual. It's garbage reporting and a free people deserve a free unbiased press to speak truth to power and to keep freedom alive no matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on and as long as they fail to that I will continue to point it out much to your chagrin.

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The article has Ryan throwing granny of the cliff right out of the box. The article's anti Republican bias just gets worse and worse from there.

The correct phrase is "under the bus," not "out of the box," but whatever. Over 50% - 59%, according to one source I read - of the budget savings Ryan's plan proposes comes from health care cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other healthcare programs. Now, you can pretend that reducing federal spending on health care suddenly makes people healthy, as Ryan does (" It [his budget proposal] strengthens the safety net by retooling federal aid. It secures seniors’ retirement by reforming entitlements." - this is the budgetary equivalent of destroying the village in order to save it), but in fact, it does nothing of the sort. It ignores problems; it shifts burdens not only to individuals but also to a system (private insurance) which has proven far less efficient than the current system (government insurance).

So, yes, Grandma is going out of the box or under the bus or whatever, but she won't be alone. .

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The Republicans already got a beatdown for presenting these same ideas last election.

I'm trying to convince myself the conservatives have the ability to learn from past mistakes and put forward credible proposals but they don't and they won't.

Election 2016 should be called GOP BEATDOWN 2016.

That fits.

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Paul Ryan is a joke - conservatives need to realize this.

Clinton exposed him as a bald faced liar last election.

I just don't see what conservatives see in Ryan.

Is it the deer-in-the-headlights look?  The fact he works out a lot?

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Maybe....maybe Paul Ryan should get a job as a personal gym instructor for thieving Wall St bankers.

He'd be in good company.

I mean, Paul Ryan's just not cut out to be a political laughingstock - sorry, I mean Republican congressman.

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Bass - "Nancy Pelosi said the other day on CNN with Crowley that Obama has always been forthcoming and sincere in reaching out to Republicans, I hadn't laughed so hard since watching the second "American Pie!" Nancy Pelosi is on some very serious hallucinogenics. >>>>Obama has been hostile and unwilling to meet headlong with Republicans on virtually ANY issue.<<<<"

And I haven't laughed so hard since watching the first. 

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The correct phrase is "under the bus," not "out of the box," but whatever.

Thanks Professor,

I'll remember that next time I use the term "right out of the box" to highlight the fact that the article starts with threats to the elderly in the very first paragraph, I'll use the term "right of the bat" the next time.

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Sailwind - "The article isn't reporting it's repeating what the White House said and is just giving it free publicity for its talking points >>>>>and slamming Ryan and the Republicans as usual.<<<"

Americans in their millions already did that last election.

Sorry you still haven't noticed.

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Sail - 'Such a sorry state journalism has become in the U.S."

Is that because the conservative conspiracies you coddle keep claiming the press is "in the tank for Obama" or some other claptrap? 

I'm guessing it's damning of Ryan because journalists tend to be intelligent folks and they smell a rat and a liar when he pokes his head out of the sewer.

Just sayin' ;-)

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Clinton exposed him as a bald faced liar last election.

Did good old honest Bill also wave his finger at the cameras like he did when he proclaimed "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Sushi?

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Sailwind - "I'll use the term "right of the bat" the next time."

I hope you use the term "right off the bat" the next time.

Just sayin' :-)

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Ryan doubles down on his dishonesty when it comes to the $700 billion that the ACA saves from the Medicare budget. Let's look at this again.

Ryan/Romney demagogued on these cuts during their campaign - seeking support by appealing to popular passions and prejudices regardless of facts - yet Ryan retains the savings in his budget.

He doubles down as he ignores the source of these savings. It was Reagan - St. Ronnie himself - who called for codifying what had been only tradition: that hospitals treat, free of charge if necessary, uninsured patients who show up at emergency rooms. The trade-off for hospitals was that they would be allowed to overbill on Medicare to cover these costs. Under the ACA, by definition, there will be no uninsured, and consequently, the $700 billion that the federal government had spent to subsidize treatment for the uninsured would no longer be needed.

Ryan's budget is DOA for several reasons, not least that it will be fiercely opposed by the medical industry. Ryan's budget would ensure that a growing number of uninsured will flood hospital emergency rooms, but it eliminates the subsidies to care for them. Good luck garnering support from the hospital and pharmaceutical groups with that.

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Did the Republicans miss the results of the last election? These are basically the same ideas that voters soundly defeated just back in November.

Since when was >3% a "sound" defeat? Liberals insistence that Obama has some kind of mandate is laughable.

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Sail, wrong century mate.

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"White House: Republican budget 'doesn't add up'"

I bet there's conservatives out there in the political wilderness for whom this is actually news. :-)

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Sail, wrong century mate.

Sushi,

I've noticed you completely ignored my question to you. Clinton is a proven bald face liar yet you admire him so much that you used him as your example to point out that Paul Ryan is a "bald face" liar. Interesting to say the least.

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Aside from partisan quibbling, are there any conservatives out there who want to defend this budget? There have been no comments concretely defending it in this thread so far.

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Sail, obviously the consequences of lying about a one-off sexual dalliance and lying/hiding the truth about whether millions of seniors are gong to get their benefits slashed to fund tax cuts for the rich are completely different and barely worthy of comparison.

Interesting you would bring it up, though.

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@sushi

I don't need an educational grammar lesson from you, I'm from the South and in where I'm from we have our own colloquial dialect and expressions, "so I hadn't" but nice try.

You are such a mouth piece for this guy, NOT even an American and talking as if you were Carney himself. You NEVER ever, ever acknowledge when Obama does ANYTHING wrong (which is extremely often) and you are very condescending, insulting to many conservatives on JT and I'm calling you on it.

Debate is fine, do it all day, stop getting personal! We all understand, you love the President, that's fine, but I don't, never have and never will, I respect your opinion, I hardly agree with liberals on most issues, but they are entitled to believe what they want! Now kindly respect other opinions that are different from yours.

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@Sail

I've noticed you completely ignored my question to you. Clinton is a proven bald face liar yet you admire him so much that you used him as your example to point out that Paul Ryan is a "bald face" liar. Interesting to say the least.

This is interesting, every time liberals run into a dead end, they try and shift the discussion towards something else. They call Ryan a liar, but Obama honest, lol That's all I gotta say to that. One thing what I really love about liberals is that they do sure know how to make you laugh.

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Clinton exposed him as a bald faced liar last election.

Never noticed Clinton to be the spokesperson when it comes to moral authority.

I just don't see what conservatives see in Ryan.

Something they will never see in Obama-FAILURE

Is it the deer-in-the-headlights look? The fact he works out a lot?

Women do like him, he looks good, nothing wrong with it. Most people don't look that good at his age.

Is that because the conservative conspiracies you coddle keep claiming the press is "in the tank for Obama" or some other claptrap?

If you don't think the media is in the tank for Obama, then you probably believe Godzilla really exists.

I'm guessing it's damning of Ryan because journalists tend to be intelligent folks and they smell a rat and a liar when he pokes his head out of the sewer.

As a journalist, I am very, very happy that you are actually admitting the real truth. You made my day. ;-)

Just sayin' ;-) I'm cool wit it. As for the rat comment, I have been smelling one for the last couple of years now.

Maybe....maybe Paul Ryan should get a job as a personal gym instructor for thieving Wall St bankers.

I think more of being a personal gym trainer for Democrats at bankrupting the nation. There I fixed it for you.

He'd be in good company.

Liberals learning from him, NOW that would be a sight to behold.

I mean, Paul Ryan's just not cut out to be a political laughingstock - sorry, I mean Republican congressman.

If that's true, then the entire WH should be able to get a job with Cirque Du Soleil. Performers performing as politicians.

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Sail, obviously the consequences of lying about a one-off sexual dalliance and lying/hiding the truth about whether millions of seniors are gong to get their benefits slashed to fund tax cuts for the rich are completely different and barely worthy of comparison.

What consequences? Clinton is lauded as almost a God by you and others on this discussion board and you could care less how much of a liar he really is.. Since lying seems to be perfectly acceptable to you by a Democrat lets just say I'm not real impressed with your feigning to be so outraged by Ryan.

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@Sail

You mean, you are just noticing that Dems and Liberals are allowed to call Repubs and Conservatives liars, but you can't. Liberals don't lie, never, if just doesn't happen.

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Bass- - "They call Ryan a liar, but Obama honest, lol"

Bass, who - exactly - is calling Obama honest?

Bass - "You NEVER ever, ever acknowledge when Obama does ANYTHING wrong."

Thanks for pointing that out. I think my - and many other Libs - have a problem with the fact that huge numbers of conservatives "NEVER ever, ever acknowledged that Bush did ANYTHING wrong."

Bass - "Now kindly respect other opinions that are different from yours."

Thanks. I appreciate that

What I don't appreciate is conservatives who support cutting benefits for elderly folks, like their own parents and grandparents.

That's clearly what Ryan's budget will do. There's no way you can deny it.

This budget cutting issue comes down to basic morality and human civility and decency, and the conservatives - en masse - are clearly on the wrong side of this issue, largely due to partisan bias.

Bass, feel free to call me out any time you like, but if you do so because I actually - vocally - give a damn about older generations of Americans, don't expect me or other Libs to take it sitting down,

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Sailwind: "The Democrat majority that controls the Senate?"

Why do Republicans keep bring this up? If it took just 51 votes to pass a budget it would have been done two years ago. However people tend to forget the Republicans and the tea party conducted the most filabusters in the history of Congress just to stay on track with their mission statement, "To ensure Obama becomes a one term President at any cost". Question: Where were the Fiscal conservatives, GOP and Tea party when President Bush ran up a $10 trillion deficit from a surplus? Oh and about Obamacare..... How is it a plan that the government cant afford since it requires everyone to have insurance? Infact you would think it would be widely excepted by the republicans since insurance companies and other off shoot businesses will make huge profits and benefits...... So please..... Stop the nonsense!

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@sushi @sushi

who - exactly - is calling Obama honest?

I have NEVER, EVER heard you criticize Obama, NOT ONCE, you don't have ANY posts that are critical on Obama in any political and social areas.

Thanks for pointing that out. I think my - and many other Libs - have a problem with the fact that huge numbers of conservatives "NEVER ever, ever acknowledged that Bush did ANYTHING wrong."

Actually, you are wrong and you either are denying the obvious or you are not paying attention, most of the conservatives here on JT have never 100% agreed with everything he did or his policies and I have seen enough of them criticize Bush when it was necessary and I'm sure they can provide you some previous posts to prove it, unlike most liberals here that drink the holy water of this WH and wallow in the Kool aid. I'm an Independent Conservative and I am not afraid to criticize Repubs or Conservatives if they screw up. I wasn't a fan of Clinton, but at least, he could meet with Repubs half way, unlike Obama that thinks he's just too good for it.

Bass - "Now kindly respect other opinions that are different from yours."

We are all still waiting.

What I don't appreciate is conservatives who support cutting benefits for elderly folks, like their own parents and grandparents.

What I don't appreciate is our President NOT doing enough for the homeless and for the Blacks and Latinos the largest unemployed segment of American society! The very future, the next generation of what will be the majority are getting shafted completely!

That's clearly what Ryan's budget will do. There's no way you can deny it.

You can't deny that with our high $17T deficit and high unemployment and virtually NO growth in the private sector we can EVER get out of this rut? Why you liberals believe that all is well in the US of A is so amazing to me.

This budget cutting issue comes down to basic morality and human civility and decency, and the conservatives - en masse - are clearly on the wrong side of this issue, largely due to partisan bias.

I think you've been watching too much msnbc lately. You should scale back a tad.

feel free to call me out any time you like, but if you do so because I actually - vocally - give a damn about older generations of Americans, don't expect me or other Libs to take it sitting down,

The same goes for us conservatives as well. We are tired of liberal bias and liberal bashing! And Yes, I know Maddow, big Blowhard Ed and Sharpton want to paint this nightly picture of conservatives not caring about folks, but its all a ruse. Not to mention insulting, so conservatives don't care about the elderly or their parents? The difference is, we want to create a system for the elderly that won't break us financially, unlike Dems that just want to shove everything through like stuffing a sausage!

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Sail,

Was Clinton lying when he said this?

"Don’t you ever forget, when you hear them talking about this, that Republican economic policies quadrupled the national debt before I took office, in the 12 years before I took office... and doubled the debt in the eight years after I left, because it defied arithmetic."

Clinton may have lied like every other male embroiled in an extra-marital affair, but it's typically poignant to note the Republican hypocrisy of that hour that the man pushing the most for Clinton's impeachment at the time was also gettin' down on it. The eight years of Clinton's presidency in fact was, albeit to a lesser extent, the poster child for what passes for Republican policy in opposition;

Obstruction.

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Much worse than the one the WH put forth.....oh wait...........

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Bass - "You can't deny that with our high $17T deficit .."

The one that started grosing exponentially under bush?

"....and high unemployment.."

That spiked by millions under the GOP/bush's watch?

".. and virtually NO growth in the private sector"

See above.

Bass - "Why you liberals believe that all is well in the US of A is so amazing to me."

We don't. See GOP/bush comment above.

Bass - "Not to mention insulting, so conservatives don't care about the elderly or their parents?"

If they wish to support Ryan's plan that will cut benefits for the elderly while simultaneously cutting taxes for the rich, then I would say no, they don't.

My pleasure. :-)

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Ryan, to Obama and the Senate Democrats: "Show us how to balance the budget"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Good one, Ryan!

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Serrano, laughing isn't going to help solve your country's deficit problem, but that said, I do like to laugh.

In fact, that's what sane Americans and Global Liberals the world over did a lot of when we saw the bunch of rejects the GOP/TP put up as nominees in the last election.

Thanks in no small part to those nominees, the GOP got a hiding.

Again.

Now will you please email your GOP congressional representatives and tell them to put aside their petty partisan politics and start doing something they haven't done for years now - put America first.

Thank you.

No,

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@sushi

The one that started grosing exponentially under bush?

Yup, and the one that Obama continues to rack up, passing the torch and he's doing an astounding job.

"....and high unemployment.."

That spiked by millions under the GOP/bush's watch?

Which Obama tripled and got our credit rating lowered and the value of our dollar is lowered, we spend more than 40 cents on the dollar. Again, Obama is doing a heck of a job

".. and virtually NO growth in the private sector"

See above.

The part that I mentioned that Obama is punishing big businesses?

We don't. See GOP/bush comment above.

Hmmm, from the WH POV, it seems everything is back to 1984

"Not to mention insulting, so conservatives don't care about the elderly or their parents?"

If they wish to support Ryan's plan that will cut benefits for the elderly while simultaneously cutting taxes for the rich, then I would say no, they don't.

So then you must hate the President for not caring about Blacks and Latinos and the high unemployment that is plaguing their communities. Many of them can't feed their families, they supported Obama and he does nothing. So I would say, the person that really doesn't care is Obama.

My pleasure. :-)

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sailwind: You've got to be kidding if you think this is publicity.

Why would I be kidding? His conservative base will love the fact that his "plan" includes repealing Obamacare regardless of how the press "spins" it. That's what this is about. As usual a Republican is going after the misguided goal of racing to control the minority instead of creating a new majority. It's actions like this that guarantee that you'll lose the White House. Again.

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@Bass:

Math is definitely NOT one of Obama's best skills.

Obama couldn't count to ten if his life depended on it. Well, he definitely couldn't count to $17 trillion - the amount of accumulated debt that he has presiding over; $6.5 trillion of that his own accrued in just four years.

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The one that started grosing exponentially under bush?

When it comes to running up debt, Obama is in a league of his own. He puts Bush's paltry annual deficits to shame. No one can spend like Obama - no one.

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