White supremacist charged in U.S. Holocaust museum shooting

Politico has this about the nutjob Von Brunn:

"FBI agents visited the offices of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine yesterday after a shooting at the Holocaust Memorial Museum..."

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Two other sources said two FBI agents arrived shortly after 5:00 p.m. Thursday at the 17th Street offices of the magazine. They told staffers that they had found the address of the magazine on a piece of paper associated with the shooter, James von Brunn, and asked whether the Standard had received any threats.

The magazine is about a mile north of the Holocaust Museum, and there's no other indication that von Brunn had targeted it. Von Brunn's published rants included attacks on "neocons," and the Standard has been at the heart of the neoconservative movement.

Lock him up for the remainder of his pathetic life, and make sure it's among a mixed population.

Smitty,

Lock him up for the remainder of his pathetic life, and make sure it's among a mixed population.

You're talking about von brunn, right? ;-)

Taka

The Department of Homeland Security issued a paper a couple of months ago and said that the country needs to be aware and alert to right-wing extremist. The republicans went livid.

Von Brunn is a case book example of an extremist who wanted to go out with a blaze of glory. He won't be the last. Right now there are at least 30,000 known white extremist are planning even more acts of terrorism. < :-)

“You want my weapons—this is how you’ll get them..." sounds like he had at least one other gripe.

But, "Authorities searched the red 2002 Hyundai" ...why would he drive a Hyundae?

The Department of Homeland Security issued a paper a couple of months ago and said that the country needs to be aware and alert to right-wing extremist. The republicans went livid.

Blatant mischaracterization of what really went down but lets not let the truth get in the way of left wing propaganda.

Von Brunn looks like he'd be right at home on DailyKos or MinnesotaLibCentral,since by all reports he is a

Christian hater

Jew Hater

FOX News’ O'Reilly hater

Weekly Standard hater

Bush hater

Neo-con hater

9-11 was an inside job nut

Socialist

artiste/whiny empath

and stated that “SOCIALISM, represents the future of the West”

9-11 was an inside job!

he hated da big corporations

As I wrote in a post yesterday, one of the saddest things about this whole incident is that the guards did not confirm they had neutralized this threat (double-tapped him in the head).

If this scum had been died onsite, both taxpayer money would have been saved and the loony fringe would have not been given the ability to create a martyr. As it is, if this actually goes to court, there is the strong possibility of this scum using the opportunity to publicize his brand of hatred. And of course, even in condemning it, people will lap it up. It would have been a lot better for everyone (except this loony) if one of the good guys had just had a weapon's malfunction (lol).

On a different note, instead of giving this guy hsi five minutes of fame, I would encourage everyone to think about the poor security guard in all this.

teleprompter,

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Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion Von Brunn looks like he'd be right at home on DailyKos or MinnesotaLibCentral, since by all reports he is a. Christian hater. Jew Hater ...

So, the only evidence of an organization you claim mr. von brunn was a part of....is your own post here at JT.

(shaking my head)

Noted.

Taka

why does a 88 y old senile with a history of violence and propaganda of hatred possess weapons?

@timeon

Because in the US,you have the right to bear arms..or the right to arms bears..whatever you wanna do. UGH!

Felons are not allowed to have weapons. -May explain the reason why he attacked with a .22 = that is all he could get (illegally). Most people would attack not with a .22 -and a rifle none the less.

Story seems contrived to me. I don't believe it (unless he went mad) -and he was Mensa.

Bill O'Reilly:

"By the way for you Far Left loons out there here's something very interesting. You know the guy who murdered the security guard at the Holocaust Museum has me listed on his website as a bad guy."

VOR: "but lets not let the truth get in the way of left wing propaganda"

Pot, Kettle.

teleprompter: "Von Brunn looks like he'd be right at home on DailyKos or MinnesotaLibCentral,since by all reports he is a Christian hater, Jew Hater, FOX News’ O'Reilly hater, Weekly Standard hater, Bush hater, Neo-con hater..."

You forgot the part where Von Brunn says, "Obama was created by Jews"; Von Brunn hating Jews, of course.

So in light of that, and what Taka pointed out, what's your point?

frying pan, skittle

why does a 88 y old senile with a history of violence and propaganda of hatred possess weapons?

Good point! However, one can also say: "why would a government with a history of violence, propaganda, not caring for its citizens,... have the right to take away weapons from a law-abiding population? By "law-abiding population" I am not referring to this nut case, but to the the general population.

So in light of that, and what Taka pointed out, what's your point?

Bill O'Reilly made it for me. Read and infer.

teleprompter: Ah, yes, quoting a man who started off his sentence with 'By the way for you Far Left Loons...'. MUST be objective. And anyway, all you're doing is pointing out that this guy said he didn't like one person, but earlier you say he didn't like a whole lot of others, and in the article it quotes Von Brunn as saying he's also against Obama, who was 'created by Jews'. And yet you spent your day yesterday trying to link this whole incident to Liberals, and claiming the guy took a page from their book.

In short, yet more contradictions and off-the-wall points.

Maybe this guy was listening to some of the Rev. Jerimiah Wright's sermons.

Note how quick the media are to put the label "white supremacist" on.

Meanwhile, the muslim convert who murdered two soldiers just a week before is simply called a "man", with no mention of his ideology.

Typical double standard.

teleprompter quoting bill o'reilly:

"By the way for you Far Left loons out there here's something very interesting. You know the guy who murdered the security guard at the Holocaust Museum has me listed on his website as a bad guy."

I'll bet the guy knew that 1 + 1 = 2, chocolate tastes good and that night follows day as well. Just because he was crazy doesn't mean he couldn't spot the obvious.

I have to ask, why are so many people obsessed over whether the guy's politics are more right or left? Is this what everything is relegated to? Is it SO important that cherry-picked factoids about the guy have to be posted in order to distance oneself from him?

This kind of has a Steve-Tyler-watching-Spinal-Tap feel to it.

Taka

Maybe this guy was listening to some of the Rev. Jerimiah Wright's sermons.

Not far off. Here was Obama's former preacher and mentor, the racist, neo-segregationist "Reverend" Wright this week:

In an interview with The Daily Press of Virginia, Reverend Jeremiah Wright said that "Jews" are keeping him from talking to President Obama, a former member of the pastor's church.

"Them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me," Wright said. "I told my baby daughter, that he'll talk to me in five years when he's a lame duck, or in eight years when he's out of office."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/10/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5079069.shtml

I must be a little slow. Why does the article highlight he is a white supremacist? I thought most Jews are white also, did I miss something here? He hates Jews more than anything shouldn't that primary here in this article. If he was a KKK member and they hate Jews also, but are primarily racists bastards toward African Americans first and foremost, I can understand. But this nutbag is a poster boy for Anti-Semitism, I think the article would have done better justice if they highlighted that fact instead of the headline they went with.

WilliB: "Note how quick the media are to put the label "white supremacist" on."

The guy was a self-proclaimed anti-Semite, said he hated blacks, etc. etc. Should we be saying he was a regular old Joe? Clearly, he was not.

smith:

I talked about the double standards. The media should not blank out ideology with one group and scream about it in another.

When we see that Von Brunn aparently wanted to also kill a few Weekly Standard employees after his shootout at the Holocaust Museum no one in the lamestream media is wondering aloud if 8 years of demonizing "neo-cons" maybe did a number on the fragile, messed up psyche of 88 y.o. Von Brunn, are they...

You hear people criticizing Israel and other countries when they hunt down Nazis from WWII who are in their eighties. They'll say these guys are too old and just let them be. There're old men and aren't hurting anyone. Well, this Nazi Von Brunn is 88 and tragically took the life of an innocent guard and could have done worse. I guess it just goes to show you're never too old to commit murder.

WilliB: "I talked about the double standards. The media should not blank out ideology with one group and scream about it in another."

BS. The media screamed quite clearly about the 'Muslim convert' at the beginning of ever article. Just because you want it pointed out clearly that the man believes in Islam doesn't mean his religion was not covered.

Still not sure why a Muslim convert has anything to do with this lunatic going on a rampage (and killing a security guard), but since you brought it up.

The guy was a lunatic, plain and simple. I said a similar thing as Taka above -- that he was quite simply crazy, and not necessarily relegated to Left or Right -- and commented on it more than twice yesterday, so not sure why teleprompter feels the need to point out that Von Brunn said he hated someone on the Right (when he hated ALL Jews and blacks, etc.).

Moderator: Readers, please keep the discussion focused on the U.S. Holocaust memorial shooting. References to other shootings are not relevant.

WilliB, Von Brunn labeled himself with the note in his car, his website and his actions. Not just his actions. < :-)

Helter: "Well, this Nazi Von Brunn is 88 and tragically took the life of an innocent guard and could have done worse."

He served on a PT boat in WWII. Drawing times, as you clearly are, to the recent arrest of a presumed former concentration camp officer is tenuous at best. In the case of that person, I didn't see too many people, if any, saying 'leave the poor guy alone'. Some said they felt bad about him having to undergo such strain at his age, but followed it with 'time to pay the piper', etc.

Anyway, again, ridiculous comparison. Both are/were evil, but that's all.

Helter: "I guess it just goes to show you're never too old to commit murder."

Sorry, missed the last part, which I agree with. It's entirely possible that the lunatic thought he would go out 'suicide by cop' or something and wanting to put an exclamation point on the sad life he led.

I happen to take seriously what creatures like James von Brunn say. He is the closet I've seen to a pure Nazi pagan. There were two Nazi factions, the Christians and the pagans. The latter were nostalgic about the Teutonic pre-Christian world. Hitler was a Christian, born Catholic, never apostated and was never excommunicated. Anyway, von Brunn was living in some psycho dream world which was fed by the extreme right. If you go through his writings, you'll find stuff about the "Illuminati", which was peddled by the John Birch Society in its later years. The rubbish about the Jews controlling the world's finances has been around for years. Von Brunn was essentially a magnet for every extreme right and neo-Nazi lie that every existed. In the crucible of his sick mind it created a purity of spirit that few if any current rightist organization would dare follow.

The man was sick. Not mentally sick but politically sick. Being that sick, he did not have the power to go mainstream and start useless and immoral wars, like the Bush-neocon gang.

My heart-felt condolences to the family of the unfortunate security guard this horrid man murdered.

Jean Colmar:

The man was sick. Not mentally sick but politically sick. Being that sick, he did not have the power to go mainstream and start useless and immoral wars, like the Bush-neocon gang.

No. The man was old and mentally ill. Politically, he seems to take from the worst of both sides of American political thought - which you clearly don't understand.

You really ought to take a look at some of Von Brunn's twisted writings. You'll find some similarities to what you often come here with - like you he was obsessed with "neo-cons", a term which even progressives will admit is often a byword for "Zionist" for many on the Left.

teleprompter: "No. The man was old and mentally ill. Politically, he seems to take from the worst of both sides of American political thought - which you clearly don't understand."

Now you're talking. It's interesting though that you should say 'which you clearly don't understand', because on both this and yesterday's thread related to the shooting you were the first, and most persistent poster to declare that the man was 'taking a page from the Democrat's book' (or Liberals), and that he bad-mouthed only Republicans, etc.

And is if it needed proving:

"You'll find some similarities to what you often come here with - like you he was obsessed with "neo-cons", a term which even progressives will admit is often a byword for "Zionist" for many on the Left."

It's a shame you had to ruin the only semi-objective post you've had on the subject with the usual old hot air. Anyway, good try. I do agree that he has taken the worst of both political sides of American thought (or at least between the two prevailing sides). That's what a number of people on here have said, both in general and specifically in response to you -- the man was simply a sick, hateful individual... politics on one side or the other don't really play a large part. He hated pretty much everyone.

Again from superlib:

The only group this guy represents is the criminally insane.

hitler liked oxygen. So did stalin, pol pot, idi amin, obl, saddam and george bush.

As for me, I love oxygen. I can't give it up. Seriously, I'm hooked on the stuff, just like all of those aforementioned despots are/were. There are similarities in all of us and anyone can do some cherry picking to "prove" it.

It's not difficult, just desperate.

Taka

Von Brunn proves that wisdom does not automatically come with age. 88years and still can't get it right... His opinion of life is like living with blinders on while walking through a train tunnel every year of his existance.

Why does the article highlight he is a white supremacist? I thought most Jews are white also, did I miss something here?

Read a little at stormfront.org if you want to find out about what white supremacist(their logic process is far from sound) think of the Jewish people.

jeancolmar:

" Hitler was a Christian, born Catholic, never apostated and was never excommunicated. "

What you mean apostated? When does the church ever apostate anyone? Hitler was Catholic on paper, but he hated Christianity for its meekness and pacifism (and conversely admired islam for its strength and war-likeness). So there is nothing incongruent about von Brunns ramblings against Christianity; it is pure nazism.

WilliB: "So there is nothing incongruent about von Brunns ramblings against Christianity; it is pure nazism."

And yet how many times have you brought up this guy and tried to connect it with ISLAM??

Madverts: Not really... although I was a LITTLE surprised that a quick search through his posting history didn't reveal a single post in which he didn't push Islam/Muslims as the root of all evil, even on completely unrelated topics!

Anyway, on this thread it started of with, sigh, him yet again comparing this guy's act to... wait for it... the Muslim convert who killed the US recruiter.

Bizarre.

Taka: "Again from superlib: The only group this guy represents is the criminally insane."

I didn't really think SuperLib was all that far off the mark, and am not sure why you are making your comment towards him and not the more radical elements on this thread who are indeed making very superficial connections.

It all seems like the racist gun-totting far-right pot calling the commie socialist leftist loon kettle black. Haven't ya'all grown tired of this argument yet, or do you fear you'll have no justification for existence without continuously repeating the mantras.

Smitty,

My comments weren't directed toward superlib. He has never tried tie von brunn to anyone else's political beliefs. However, there most certainly ARE people on these threads that have fervently tried to tie von brunn to the liberal movement and the conservative movement because of his loose associations.

My comments were directed towards those people.

I hope that clears up any confusion.

Taka

For those of you who have tried to justify the old man's actions read what his son has to say:

"For the extremists who believe my father is a hero: it is imperative you understand what he did was an act of cowardice," Erik von Brunn wrote. "To physically force your beliefs onto others with violence is not brave, but bullying. Doing so only serves to prove how weak those beliefs are. It is simply desperation, reminiscent of a temper tantrum when a child cannot get his way. Violence is a cop out; an easy answer for an ignorant problem."

Taka313: That's what I suspected, but coming right after 'This from SuperLib' and then a general attack, I just wanted to make sure. He's been more than a voice of reason on this subject. As we both mentioned, however, a few others have not).

buddha: "To physically force your beliefs onto others with violence is not brave, but bullying. Doing so only serves to prove how weak those beliefs are. It is simply desperation, reminiscent of a temper tantrum when a child cannot get his way. Violence is a cop out; an easy answer for an ignorant problem."

Nice quotation, Buddha. And I hope that people understand that goes for forcing ANY beliefs on ANY person or group of people.

I for one am sorry for the guard's family, they lost him because this far right wing nut bag wanted to kill someone.

When this far right winger ( Nazi ) walked into the museum he was trying to do one thing, be remembered for something.

Like most "outspoken" Nazis, their lives are that of mad little no-bodies who try and shove their thoughts and beliefs onto everyone. They scream and yell when someone stands up to them and forces them to back down. They try to bring everyone into their deranged world by claiming just about everything.

But when things just do not go the way they dreamed, well this is what happens.

What really is sad is that there are many more of these nut bags running than we dare to even understand. Some of them are in the open, but many more are hiding. They hide because they know that the way they think is not supported by 90% of all other Americans.

They hide in plain site always looking for more of their kind. When they find hidden friends who are like minded as them, then they sit around and talk their hate to each other. All the while knowing that if anyone ever heard them their careers would be over.

Some are highly educated professionals, some are blue collar workers. Hell some of them even go into politics. But all of them have one thing in common, they hate everyone who is not White (so called) Aryan like them. Funny thing is none of them can really prove they are this mythical race known as the Aryans.

Another really sad thing are the people try to toot their own horn at the expense of other peoples misery.....Take the great "in his own mind" Bill O;

Bill O'Reilly: "By the way for you Far Left loons out there here's something very interesting. You know the guy who murdered the security guard at the Holocaust Museum has me listed on his website as a bad guy."

The far right nut bag known as Bill-O is trying to tell America that he is not a far right wing nut bag. How is he making this connection, well because this White supremacist did not like him?

How sad is that......

Now could someone tell what the difference between these two Far right sayings are. For some reason every time I have asked it no one can or will answer it for me.....

White male power structure

Please tell what the difference is, no one seems willing to answer that question...

Now could someone tell what the difference between these two Far right sayings are. For some reason every time I have asked it no one can or will answer it for me..... White male power structure White power

let me take a stab. the first one has four words the second has two. is that right?