Wild weather smashes Australian state for third day

Will this be enough for the climate change denying PM Abbott and the people who elected him to finally wake up?

Will this be enough for the climate change denying PM Abbott and the people who elected him to finally wake up?

@ warispeace: You do realize that Australia is coming off an 11 year drought don't you? So now are you saying that man-made global warming causes drought as well as flooding?

Man should watch what pollution we put into the atmosphere and water and try to conserve as much as possible. but putting a tax on carbon dioxide and other so called green measures are nothing more than window dressings for goernments and groups to rob people of money and resources.

are you saying that man-made global warming causes drought as well as flooding?

Of course it does. Where do you think the extra water for the flooding comes from? Out of thin air?

Was crazy, trees down everywhere, power out all over the place and I took off in a plane in the middle of it! It wasn't fun!

Will this be enough for the climate change denying PM Abbott and the people who elected him to finally wake up?

Climate change is undeniable, but you can't point to any single event as the result of climate change.

Imagine a city where the murder rate is rising because of unemployment. When there's a murder, you can't say that unemployment was the cause of that particular murder, as there were murders even when the unemployment rate was lower. The most you can say is that there would be fewer murders if the unemployment rate were lower. Pointing to one event should not be enough to convince someone.

Where do you think the extra water for the flooding comes from? Out of thin air?

As if flooding is something new to Australia? The extra water for flooding is literally coming out of thin air; that's what rain is. It's been coming out of thin air well before global warming. Yes, there is global warming. No, we can't prove that the water for this particular storm is extra from global warming.

"So now are you saying that man-made global warming causes drought as well as flooding?"

As Cleo said, of course it does! Global warming results in dry areas becoming drier as it affects the movement of water into the atmosphere from the land and water but it can also allow the atmosphere to hold more moisture and thus result in heavier rainfalls. This leads to extreme weather patterns which you are now seeing and have seen on the Australian east coast.

literally coming out of thin air; that's what rain is

And another (admittedly rather feeble) attempt at lighthearted humour on my part takes off like a lead balloon.

Forgot to say it before, but commiserations to all the people who lost their homes and/or cars, and especially to the three people who lost their lives.

The one thing that has been predicted as a result of global warming (for WHATEVER the reason is) by scientists is that ALL weather events will become more extreme. Droughts will become more severe. Storms - rain or snow - will become more severe. This is because as the atmosphere warms-up, it becomes more unstable (meaning there's more vertical activity as the air warms and cools at different altitudes). More instability means higher cloud columns with much more condensed moisture in them. More condensed moisture HERE means less moisture in the air THERE and less chance for rain THERE. If the warming leveled-off, then a balance could be re-established as the evaporation of the oceans catches up and re-distributes the moisture. The droughts would subside, but the severe cloud activity would continue.

The one thing that has been predicted as a result of global warming (for WHATEVER the reason is) by scientists is that ALL weather events will become more extreme.

THe weather and climate on the earth has been constantly changing well before man had anything to do with it. One could just look at the Sahara Desert. It was once a more hospitable area with a habatat suitable for supporting human life. But over time, due to Ice ages and climate shifts more to do with sunspot activity the area has become what it is now. It went from being a relatively green area to a desert one, and guess what, the polar bears somehow managed to survive.

These weather changes will occur with or without man's help. The problem with them now is that more humans live in areas where we didn't and these drastic events will have a greater impact. California is going through a drought now, as it has been going through since the planet has been around. The difference is that before 38 million people didn't live there then as they do now.

No, we can't prove that the water for this particular storm is extra from global warming.

Actually, we're getting pretty close to doing just that.

http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2014/10/02/studies-link-climate-change-to-recent-extreme-weather-events/

With meteorological data for maybe 150 years and the earth billions of years old. Is human influenced global warming a proven fact? It seems many of the top official shoving down out throat can generate more carbon in a day what most of us do in a lifetime. Are the genuine or pushing an agenda?

And I am a tree hugger! I am all for preservation. Hypocritical BS, no!