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© (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2023.With Trump absent again, Republicans exchange insults at chaotic debate
By Tim Reid and Joseph Ax SIMI VALLEY, Calif©2023 GPlusMedia Inc.
49 Comments
TaiwanIsNotChina
I appreciated the know nothing Ramaswamy being slammed into the dirt yet again.
Eastman
its just a circuss for low iq masses.
elections will be Trump vs someone from other shore.
as simple as is.
dagon
Trump as successful a politician as he was a business man, squandering two legacies with his ego., degrading a company and a nation.
There is zero incentive for Trump to endure another cross examination at this debate given his lead and the courts.
Ramaswamy stood out last time and in the max lib owning damn logic MAGA GOP he is the front man in the running for a place in MAGA world in the future.
wallace
Desantis has lost his top 50 financial backers. Ditching Ron.
NOMINATION
Can you give me the lowdown of each Democratic nominee? It seems like you put your heart and soul into the Republican Party but I haven't heard a peep from you about any of the candidates in the party you are registered with.
dagon
Request *invalid. I am an Independent and support Bernie Sanders, who is unfortunately not running.
As usual will have to go for second or third tier candidates
Such is the duopoly.
bass4funk
The good thing about him, he’s the youngest on that stage, so good things to come, definitely like the guy.
That’s the Dems take, confused people and they wonder while they’re losing in every single poll.
Well, nation, hardly, but the Dems gave it there all
Hope so.
EFD
It’s a low bar to look less Presidential than the seditionist in Chief, but damned if they didn’t clear it!
finally rich
It'd take a miracle to change the outcome of 2024 at this point.
ClippetyClop
The only hope for these thick losers is to help put Trump in prison.
They are all Dems until then
Bob Fosse
Best show in town. My sides are still aching.
Desert Tortoise
He's about as appealing as a hemorrhoidectomy.
Zaphod
They should call it the RINO debate. Fact is, the establishment would be happy with any of these candidates, none of them outside the neocon/neolib ideology.
Cards fan
What's a Rino?
bass4funk
What? ROFL
Regardless if Trump wins or not, if one of these other candidates becomes president, he’s going to be pardoned, that’s a given
bass4funk
Republican in name only
stormcrow
I’m Trumpacus!
No! I AM Trumpacus!
No, for it is I!
ClippetyClop
Pardoned from what? ROFL
Cards fan
I know that. What makes one a RINO?
bass4funk
putting swamp over the nation
Cards fan
And what does that mean? How are these candidates rinos?
EvilBuddha
Trump 2024.
That's all I have to say at this point.
ClippetyClop
Repubs love pardoning their swampy criminal mates. Trump did loads of it.
But do you think they are going to give Donald a Get Out Of Jail Free card in return for nothing? That's not how the GOP swamp operates.
They'll be asking him to drop out and endorse them in return for a pardon. That's assuming they can beat Joe, which they can't, as Trump couldn't.
Kurumazaka 2
nothing says small government like all power concentrated in the hands of a unitary executive
Keepyer Internetpoints
I watched a debate a couple weeks back. It was TERRIFYING.
Everyone there was utterly destroyed by Ramaswamy, but neither the people on the stage nor in the audience coud admit it and it was obviously in a large part due to White supremacy sentiments.....nothing but a product of stupidity and immaturity.
So yes, the climate change denying Ramaswamy wiped the mat with everybody else.
And all this is happening in the context of the Dems refusing to believe their could possibly be a better candidate than Joe Biden whose VP is also absolutely TERRIFYING, even worse that Biden's obviously not being all there anymore.
As usual its going to come down to a decision who is the lesser evil, and they are all particularly bad for this coming election, though perhaps still not as bad as Hillary?
Trump might actually be the lesser evil. And that, if true, is also TERRIFYING.
My fellow non-rich Americans, we are absolutely screwed. But me less than you, because you are there and I left. I say, get out while you can!
wallace
The president cannot pardon the State crime in Georgia.
Strangerland
Maybe for the federal stuff. But they can't pardon him for his lost businesses in New York, nor for any charges he may face in Georgia.
wallace
bass4funk
Sounds like you believe and accept Trump will be found guilty.
itsonlyrocknroll
These seven candidates are supposed to be on the same side.
The insults become unwatchable after a time
Highlights from the second Republican presidential debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRq75gLcy-k
bass4funk
Dems pardoned Menendez twice, let’s see if they’ll do it a third time.
Not sure what that means, but he’ll be pardoned that’s as sure as the sun rises and tides roll in
Not swamp, he DeSantis and Vivek are not career politicians, which is why these guys are rock stars and refreshing as well for a change.
Hate to be the breaker of bad news, but…
.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-beats-biden-by-a-large-margin-in-head-to-head-matchup/ar-AA1hey6u
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/troubles-biden-age-reelection-campaign-poll/story?id=103436611
bass4funk
I Never said that. I said, he’s not going to prison.
wallace
You said whoever becomes president will pardon Trump.
wallace
You said it twice.
EFD
So, Trump then. He wasn’t a Republican until he realized they were the only ones gullible enough to fall for his obvious lies.
He’s never supported traditional Republican goals or policies. He’s only using the party apparatus as a vehicle.
And he doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about the nation. He’s only in it for himself and a vain attempt to save his own ass.
OMG! Trump is a total RINO!
ClippetyClop
”Drain the swamp! But after you’ve pardoned my favorite criminal!”
EFD
This is a lie. You are lying. You said he’d never be indicted or arrested not realizing that it’s a paired set.
You said he’d never stand trial.
You said he’d never be convicted.
You said he’d never go to jail.
You were wrong on the first 2-3 depending on how you count.
You’ll be wrong on the last 2.
And he is not getting pardoned. Because none of these goobers is going to win the nomination.
And Trump sure as hell isn’t winning the general.
Jimizo
Yes, but Bush 2, a man you described as a RINO, was also a successful president according to you and your non-partisan historians.
Putting swamp over the nation isn’t a bad thing from this point of view.
Bush 2 won a second term. Trump got walloped.
Maybe it’s time for a RINO?
bass4funk
That’s a big “if” kind like me becoming the CEO of Apple.
No, that’s the Dems distorted version, but nice try. 200 accomplishments say otherwise.
He has in fact, and beyond that, but more importantly, he was for more empowering the working middle class.
You guys are trying tonight, I’ll give you that. ROFL!!
Yes, he absolutely cares, that’s why he’s running, he could bow out and all this crap would go away, but he won’t and good on him 70 million and growing are counting on him.
Now no one wants to go to prison, Hillary, Joe, no one wants to go, they would do anything to stay out if their political rivals were using every illegal measure to try and lock them up, who’d blame them? I wouldn’t.
No, but Mitch is, Romney, you know the people that love wars crowd.
eric_japan
No questions on how they will stop the endless spending….??? How about some rules on interrupting.. Its a clown show. Obviously Rama is the most intelligent but we (I) got fooled by Obama so beware. The Republican Party is fake. They pretend to care about abortion, they don’t care about government spending or the deficit, they just pretend to. At this point it’s who has the best swag and convince people because they are entertaining. So sad. All of them are responsible for inflation. The swamp runs deep on both sides. If you’re not skeptical in this environment you’re not too bright. At this point, the Left seems more artificial and the Right is seems more organic. If I have to choose I’ll take organic, but no guarantees. The problem is the Dems control media and most will believe anything they crank out, especially the indoctrinated youngsters. That’s why these days independent media is growing and mainstream is flailing. Spending needs to get under control, unless that’s the plan to just screw everything up and then usher in the great reset.
wallace
You also said Trump was going to win by a landslide in 2020. Look how that turned out for him.
dagon
As usual first premises are totally wrong so everything after that is an illogical mish mash.
It is a unique presidential race because Trump is running to keep himself and family and cronies out of prison and keep his entire ill gotten family business from falling into a slightly lower socio economic class.
That is what would happen if he drops out now. It is naked self interest as usual.
plasticmonkey
First president since Hoover to leave office with fewer jobs than when he started.
Cut taxes on the uber wealthy, leaving the working class stuck with table scraps or less.
Increased the trade deficit with China.
The only thing Trump gave the working middle class was perceived victimization by immigrants, transgender kids, BLM, and "socialists".
A total fraudster.
EFD
He’s running to save his own plus-sized ass. Period.
He doesn’t care about his own family (That wasn’t me. Eric ran the business) or even his rubes much less the broader public.
He’s a fraud. His entire origin story is a lie. He is a bovine feces distributor.
And everyone but his cult can see it. Clear as the orange on his face.
yipyip
Great performance with everyone at least on the same page with pointing out how much of a disaster Biden has been for the country snd the world.
It will be interesting to see if one of these will be Trump's VP.
bass4funk
And for the nation as a whole and all of the other shenanigans that we have been finding out about the irregularities that surrounded it, that mistake won’t happen again. This time Republicans are going to strictly play by the Democrat and rules, let’s see if they object again.
Cut entitlements for starters…
Now I’m with you on that one, seriously!
As long as he has his teleprompter standing by
They do care about abortion, as for the Republicans being fake, that’s the reason why most conservatives wouldn’t vote for anyone else on that stage except Trump, DeSantis, Haley and Vivek, the rest need to go home.
Look, I agree with a lot of what you said, you definitely touched on a lot of valid points, but the days of the establishment Washington politician is pretty much in the rear-view mirror. The populist movement is gaining ground definitely on the conservative side, and not sure what will happen on the left, but for them Capitalism is pretty much a bad word except if you’re on the top (most libs are) that control the country not sure if they want to give that power up.
yipyip
Sure, let's wait.
wallace
bass4funk
Trump, Giuliani, or any other person has failed to produce evidence showing that the election wasn't fair and secure and no evidence of fraud that would have changed Trump's defeat.
bass4funk
Ok, well proving it and believing that the election was fair are two different things. If you think it was fair, fine. I and millions of other people have a different opinion whether the swamp acknowledges it or not.
wallace
bass4funk
Proof is what is required by the courts. Where is your evidence?