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Woman killed in apparent subway shove at Times Square

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Times Square used to be one of the safest, highest security places in NYC. These past few years have been very violent though.

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Was she targeted by the perpetrator? Was this a deliberate murder? Did the perpetrator know the victim? Did they have some sort of argument on the way to the platform? Did the perpetrator have some other reason to kill the victim and figured shoving them in front of a train was a good way to slay the victim? Or was it a spontaneous spur of the moment act, oh I'm going to shove someone in front of a train and see what happens? Does someone get up in the morning thinking, ok, let's shove someone in front of a train today or does a wild hair overcome all of their good sense (assuming they had some to begin with) and they just do it?

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Asian woman pushed to her death in front of oncoming train in NYC

The "Asian" woman, should have the ethnicity of her attacker identified as well.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/asian-woman-pushed-death-front-oncoming-train-nyc-rcna12367

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Looks like this could well be a racist, anti-Asian murder. Despicable.

Rest in Peace to the poor woman.

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Tragic. “Rest In Peace” unfortunate soul. “Condolences” offered to a grieving family, friends and community.

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Sadly, the black homeless man squatting in the subway probably just wanted to get arrested for a warm bed and meals. Wrong place wrong time.

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According to one of the first (yet not always reputable sources) Jan 15, 2022 E.S.T.:

https://nypost.com/2022/01/15/woman-pushed-to-her-death-at-times-square-subway-station/ -

“Martial Simon was taken into custody following the fatal shove of a woman at a Times Square subway station on Saturday. J.C. Rice for NY Post

At 9:53 p.m., a man walked into a transit precinct on Canal Street and declared that he “pushed a woman in front of a train” Wilcox said. Wilcox said the suspect had not been charged as of late afternoon.

He was identified as Martial Simon, 61, with no known address, according to law enforcement sources. Simon, who has a gray beard and was wearing black hooded jacket, stuck his tongue out at photographers as he was being led into the Midtown South precinct on West 35th Street. “He is crazy, talking gibberish,” said a law enforcement source.” -

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Simon has a criminal record with at least 3 arrests going back to 1998, for robbery, with the latest in Oct 2019 for criminal possession of a controlled substance. He served 2 years in state prison for attempted robbery and was released in Aug 2021, state records show.

He was accused of entering a man’s car on 6th Avenue and Waverly Pl on Aug. 9, 2017, simulating he had a weapon. The terrified driver fled.

Simon, who is originally from Haiti according to his family, also has three runs in with police as an emotionally disturbed person, sources said.

Simon’s sister, Josette, said he has a history of mental illness. “He’s been on medication for over 20 years and in and out of mental hospitals in NY,” the stunned sister said when reached by The Post.

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Even if this suspect has mental illness, this doesn't justify what could be a hate crime. At the very least it's murder. He needs to be put in an asylum. He's dangerous on his own.

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There is a police ‘presence’: “*One thousand additional officers were working in transit and some had been assigned to the Times Square station, according to Assistant NYPD Chief Kathleen O’Reilly.*

*“We had a robust plan for this station today. We had six officers assigned to it. There were two officers on the southbound platform to the southern end when this incident occurred,” O’Reilly said.*

“Unfortunately these incidents do occur. They’re rare but this one is very harrowing and disturbing,” she said.” -

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The shoving was 2nd on the same Times Square platform in a little more than 2 months.

On Nov. 12, a mugger pushed a woman — who was also Asian — onto the tracks. She was rescued by good Samaritans before a train came.

Through Dec. 12, 2021, straphangers had been pushed onto the tracks 27 times, up from 25 during the same period in 2020, according to the NYPD.” -

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when they purposely leave out the race of the victims and attackers we already know what that means.

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The Associated Press “style guide” probably restricts problematic victim identifications as off narrative.

second paragraph of other less “woke” media:

A woman was killed Saturday morning after a man allegedly pushed her in front of an oncoming subway in New York City.

City officials in a press conference later Saturday said the 40-year-old Asian woman was pushed onto the tracks before an oncoming subway hit her.

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And by doing so, @Blacklabel 9:50-10:04am, perhaps exacerbating ‘perceived’ and/or ‘perpetuated divisions’ between ‘people’ ?

- @Blacklabel 9:50am: “when they purposely leave out the race of the victims and attackers we already know what that means.”

- @Blacklabel 10:04am: “The Associated Press “style guide” probably restricts problematic victim identifications as off narrative.” -

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Even if this suspect has mental illness, this doesn't justify what could be a hate crime. At the very least it's murder. He needs to be put in an asylum. He's dangerous on his own.

Well, sadly, but according to the Democrats it seems like the DAs will not prosecute any of these people. So if you’re a bad guy, these are great days, less cops, less lenient, less efforts to stop the out of control crime in that city until they get a real leader that calls for ZERO TOLERANCE and punish people that break the law and their crimes go unpunished with impunity, things will only worsen.

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What many here ignore is that former mental health programs in the US were largely defunded during the 1980s. In 1967 while Governor of California Ronald Reagan signed into law the Lanterman Petis Short Act that allowed those with mental health problems to chose in patient or out patient programs. Most of course chose out patient programs and the majority of the state's many mental hospitals were closed. It also granted the mentally disabled the right to accept or refuse treatment including medications for their illnesses. Many refused. Unable to confine people to institutions any longer many ended up living on the street with their mental illness untreated. The act included funding for outpatient services but these were voluntary and more often than not those who qualified did not avail themselves of their servicves.

Fast forward to 1981 and Ronald Reagan was President of the US. His predecessor Jimmy Carter had moved through Congress the Mental Health Systems Act that was intended to fund state mental health care programs such as the outpatient programs in California for example. In the 1981 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (OBRA) the Mental Health Systems Act was repealed and defunded. States like California were left with no funding to keep its outpatient programs operating as before.  The community-based outpatient clinics and supportive housing options that were supposed to serve as effective alternatives to institutions were never built, leaving those that refuse commitment with no other resources. While those with mental health disabilities were no longer in restrictive institutions against their will, they lost their housing and food source with the closing of these institutions. With nowhere to turn, many end up living on the streets where their conditions will worsen, and the cycle perpetuates itself. Likewise in states across the US mental health programs were suddenly defunded and their former patients tossed out on the street. To add insult to injury there was a Supreme Court Case originating with a California mental facility that was trying to force a patient being held there on a 72 hour hold to take anti psychotic medication. The patient refused and after a long series of hearings the Supreme Court ruled that patients could refuse such meds unless a court ruled the patient was mentally incapable of making an informed decision ( Riese v. St. Mary’s Hospital and Medical Center )

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What many here ignore is that former mental health programs in the US were largely defunded during the 1980s. In 1967 while Governor of California Ronald Reagan signed into law the Lanterman Petis Short Act that allowed those with mental health problems to chose in patient or out patient programs. Most of course chose out patient programs and the majority of the state's many mental hospitals were closed. It also granted the mentally disabled the right to accept or refuse treatment including medications for their illnesses. Many refused. Unable to confine people to institutions any longer many ended up living on the street with their mental illness untreated. The act included funding for outpatient services but these were voluntary and more often than not those who qualified did not avail themselves of their servicves.

For once I do agree with you. As much as I loved Reagan that was not one of his finest moments in undertaking that measure. But the bigger question now is and going into 2022 and what will the current leadership do about it. What are the Democrats going to do to undo and overturn a very controversial policy? They just never bring it up and as long as they avoid discussing the issue, nothing will change.

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The question of whether or not this murder was racially motivated would be clearer if we were told the ethnicity of the first woman the killer approached, quoted in the article. Even then it’s no certainty. I just feel so sorry for this poor woman, just going about her daily business at the very same time as a lunatic was on the prowl.

I never stand too close to the platform if it’s crowded. It’s not so much the threat of a deliberate shove, more some clumsy barge from an idiot.

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The damningly obnoxious hate-Asian behavior continues.

It has gone to the extreme. It must be stopped..

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A report in the US media said that the first woman the man harassed was not Asian. Maybe it was a hate against women crime, or just hatred of humanity generally.

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Yes, folks, Asians are being targeted in New York and California and both places are a mess.

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Odd that JT picked the only article out there that doesn't mention that the victim ewas Asian.

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