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World carbon dioxide emissions increase again, driven by China, India and aviation

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Inger Andersen said the world needs to get to zero fossil fuel emissions “as fast as possible,” 

Yeah, let’s all go back to the Stone Age and beat drums for communication. Do these boffins actually think about the crap they spout or do they just say the first thing that comes into their heads?

Even if all CO2 production was stopped tomorrow it would take up to 10,000 years for the CO2 levels to stabilize. These boffins should be focusing on how we are going to live with the climate changed caused by high CO2 levels instead of spouting impossible dreams.

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These climate expert need to get their narrative striaght. The first article today on climate had named Japan the USA and New Zealand as do nothings. To be fair, Japan and New Zealand they get most of their omission of CO2 from blowing across the Tasman sea from Australia and from China from across the Japan sea. Really this just add to my thinking that if they can't get their evidence inline with each other that all their evident is just propaganda. Today is the first day of summer which is warm ( 35c ) I hope the rest of the summer stay the same.

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World carbon dioxide emissions increase again, driven by Chinese guided capitalism with Marxist trappings Indian populist bureaucratic plutocracy and the lavish expenditures of the .001 percent.

Fixed it for you.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/ten-richest-men-double-their-fortunes-pandemic-while-incomes-99-percent-humanity

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why i am not surprised looking at who is the culprit

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Yeah, let’s all go back to the Stone Age and beat drums for communication.

That's a favourite trope of oil industry propaganda. Many swallow it without much thought. Here's the UAE's Cop28 president Al Jaber recently referencing the very similar theme: “Show me the roadmap for a phase-out of fossil fuel that will allow for sustainable socioeconomic development, unless you want to take the world back into caves.”

Even if all CO2 production was stopped tomorrow it would take up to 10,000 years for the CO2 levels to stabilize

Yes, but if it had been 30 or 40 years ago when we knew it was gonna be critical very soon it would have been easier. But the oil companies kept up the propaganda and the deniers were happy to do their jobs for them, without pay, and so we are at this sorry pass. Any suggestions, instead of carping?

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CO2 emissions per capita:

USA: 15t

Japan: 9.75t

China: 7.5t

India: 2t

The two bad guys named and shamed in this article have a long way to go to catch up.

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Of course aviation to COP meetings is excluded, because it solely serves higher, honorific goals, right? lol

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Mark - why i am not surprised looking at who is the culprit

As he types on his Chinese made phone wearing Chinese made clothes and sitting on a Chinese made chair. Everybody wants their commodities but won’t share the responsibility for their manufacture. If you really want to point fingers go and stand in front of your Chinese made mirror and point the finger at yourself.

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Aviation emissions are driven by a tiny number of people who fly every week.

These people or their lackeys then tell ordinary people that the gubmint is coming to take their holidays away. This is not true.

The effective way to reduce aviation emissions is to focus on the tiny number of people who fly every week.

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MiuraAnjin, let's do some math together:

USA: 15X334=5010M tons CO2

Japan: 9.75X126=1197M tons of CO2

China: 7.5X1426=10695M tons of CO2

India: 2X1408=2816M tons of CO2...

The three "bad guys" are China, USA and India. Japan produces less than half than the best of the bad guys. China produces much more than the other three combined. All clear where the focus should be now?

Not blaming China in any way here - they are currently holding the role of "world's manufacturer of everything". It's only normal that CO2 emissions increase at the place of manufacture. Questioning USA's emissions though - similarly with Japan, they all live in paper walled houses with single glazing, spending 1-2MWh of electricity a month to either heat or cool it.

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CO2 emissions per capita:

USA: 15t

Japan: 9.75t

China: 7.5t

India: 2t

The two bad guys named and shamed in this article have a long way to go to catch up.

Brunei 20.65t

Gilbratar 18.96t

New Caledonia 18.24t

Palau 59t

Singapore 8.85t

Trinidad 21.17

com'on, it is not rocket science to know what is the meaning of per capita.

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Yeah, let’s all go back to the Stone Age and beat drums for communication.

Lol, 'fearmongering' and 'hysteria' from the voice of the oil industry.

Do you think we should prepare for the inevitable stone age by increasing or reducing our reliance on a rapidly dwindling finite resource controlled by cartels?

Even if all CO2 production was stopped tomorrow it would take up to 10,000 years for the CO2 levels to stabilize.

Define 'Stabilize'.

Do these boffins actually think about the crap they spout or do they just say the first thing that comes into their heads?

Did you?

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Aviation, interesting. Maybe I could speculate that the conspiracy theorists are right. Enjoy the freedom of intercontinental travel while you still can.

Back to topic:

Internet links for comparison of shipping and air traffic are attached.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-17.6/centery:16.6/zoom:3

https://www.flightradar24.com/2.28,-43.06/2

I don't think it's worth mentioning to compare the emissions of an airplane and a supertanker.

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@Lindsay Even if all CO2 production was stopped tomorrow it would take up to 10,000 years for the CO2 levels to stabilize. 

60~80% of CO2 takes 20 to 200 years to come out of the atmosphere.

Where did 10,000 years some from?

This is the problem - there is so much misinformation in the world.

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@Ebisen - Interesting statistics. The only thing missing is the per capita footprint. Considering nearly half of the world’s population live in China their CO2 output is not that high. In fact, the per capita output of both the US and Japan is much higher.

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Fingerpointing

At least there's no (not much?) hysterics about the world ending anymore

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At least there's no (not much?) hysterics about the world ending anymore

If you read the actual scientific sources there were never hysterics, those came from strawman fallacies and overblown exaggerations made by antiscientific groups trying to misrepresent the actual warnings from the experts to manipulate people into believing the scientific consensus was wrong.

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The three "bad guys" are China, USA and India.

India is a poor, third world country based on GDP per capita figures. So if per capita figures are considered in determining if a country is considered developed or third world, then why are absolute figures considered in determining the world’s major CO2 emitters.

Unless there is a narrative that is being built here.

Countries that were the forerunners of Industrial Revolution have suddenly absolved themselves of historical wrongdoing and are pointing fingers at nations that still have a lot of catching up to do to reach the living standards of the developed world.

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World carbon dioxide emissions increase again, driven by China, India and aviation

Lucky that cold snap in Europe has prevented planes carrying rent-seekers to COP from taking off. They can rest assured they've helped to delay the climate apocalypse by another 10 minutes.

God does seem to have a sense of humour.

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Lucky that cold snap in Europe has prevented planes carrying rent-seekers to COP from taking off.

Disruption and exacerbation of weather patterns is not exactly just luck, it is part of the consequences of climate change so it would be more something like poetic justice.

ooops that massive volcano eruption we just had going to cause some havoc might even cause a global cooling

Acording to the experts that is not the case at all, not even close.

you do realize that the ash from volcanic eruptions causes the earth to cool.

In comparison with the accumulated effects of human activity? not in any significant degree.

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According to actual scientists your wrong VirusRex as usual

Exactly zero of your references say the Marapi volcanic eruption "might even cause a global cooling!". None of them. Marapi is nowhere close to the massive eruptions that could have a significative effect. And obviously an article explicitly saying the cooling effect of volcanos is "short lived" actually contradict the claim you made about them.

Why misrepresent the sources as if they supported your claim when it is terribly easy to just follow the links and see they do nothing of the sort? they even explicitly contradict your claim.

So, do you have any source that say a volcano of the scale of Marapi can "even cause a global cooling" in any degree comparable with the current crisis of climate change?

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There's lots of work to be done by everyone, except those people who don't cook or live surrounded by machines. The idea that people are "owed" their carbon is wrong. Climate change doesn't care if it comes from a hut in Africa, a hut in NW China or a big city flat anywhere in the world.

What matters is that every year, we each cause less release of greenhouse gases. That goes for you, me, all the USA, all of Europe, all of India, all of China, and all of everywhere on Earth.

We need CO2!

Some level of CO₂, but not excessive levels. It is a balancing act, if we want our offspring and their offspring to have a planet to use. The Earth will be fine, but all the living things on it will struggle. There are worse greenhouse gases than CO₂, but we (humans) are releasing so much of it, that it matters greatly.

CCP signed an agreement to stop emitting HFC-23 emissions. Air-quality sensors from SK are seeing 420K tonnes of these emissions. They've been caught lying, yet again. The CCP has a habit of lies, which makes it hard to trust them.

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As you read this article, please keep in mind that it speaks mostly to measures in metric tons (or tonnes), and increases in those tons. From such measures, there are several ways to categorize who is emitting emissions.

You can do it per capita, which will measure emissions of an average person in a country or region, as the total emissions in tons divided by a population. But just about everyone who compiles this catagory of data will exclude certain metrics, such as territorial emissions (emissions embedded in traded goods), emissions from international aviation and shipping, and land-use change, and forestry.

The latter – land-us change – is a topic of much debate at this COP28, as we struggle to grasp and measure human modifications to the natural landscape. And changes that may be considered permanent destruction (urban expansion), and those which may be capable of some restoration (such as cropland abandonment and forest restoration).

If this metric makes it into per capita ratings, then ratings for some nations will likely shrink noticeably, while some nations will probably see their ranking skyrocket. But much of this really comes down to perceptions.

And this COP, so far, has shown that perceptions matter.

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The world warms (as it has in the past) and species adapt or they go extinct.

Humans are very adaptable.

I don’t give a fig about climate change as it happens with or without us

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I don’t give a fig about climate change as it happens with or without us

Way to care about your brothers around the world who's land will disappear. Islands and the people living on them need to care the most ... last time I checked, Japan was an island.

Climate changes impact humans everywhere. Crops that feed millions of people won't product as much or will fail completely in the current locations. Millions dead from starvation. Wars have been started over less. Drastic change matters to global stability. Must be nice to think it won't matter to you and your offspring.

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What happens to global warming Virusrex now you go with climate change! Lol yes we all know the climate changes constantly!

Climate change comes with global warming, but the term more accurately describes the plethora of other weather disturbance and makes it obvious when antiscientific groups try to misrepresent those changes and pretend every place can only get hotter all the time.

I don’t give a fig about climate change as it happens with or without us

The climate change crisis would not happen without human intervention, and seeing how to ameliorate the damage and the coming risks and problems is a much more productive way to deal with it than just being in denial and giving up as if nothing of importance were happening. Unfortunately that calls for some empathy, which some people consider a flaw instead of a desirable personality trait.

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