World leaders march in Paris to honor terror victims

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stood near Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also marched.

Now that is one hell of a silver lining.

Note to Jihadists: We in civilized nations have our problems. We don't like each other. Sometimes, we fight and kill each other. We don't see eye-to-eye on many things.

But we hate you and what you do more. And we will destroy you.

-- Je Suis Charlie

The march should have been routed through one of Paris' so-called "no go zones" that have been ceded to the Islamic extremists. Otherwise just seems like preaching to the choir.

There is one perfect weapon against terrorism. Don't treat people like dirt. Do that and people who might become terrorists will do something else. Stop treating people like dirt. It is a start.

Meanwhile, 30 people are killed in Kurdistan, and NOBODY CARES / Pays Attention:

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/islamic-state-fighters-kill-30-kurds-in-iraq

I am not sure if the White French treat their Arab and African Muslim French minorities like dirt but that is what it seems to be the case. Many French of North African ancestry seem to be marginalized and kept from getting any decent jobs, so maybe the combination of these White French magazines making fun of Muslims and Islams is being used as an excuse to go on about FREEDOM OF SPEECH, Western Values and freedoms, but my guess is that the White French want to have their CAKE and it it TOO, meaning having the cheap labor immigrants do to the crappy, dirty hard work of a few generations back but now not knowing what to do with the children, grandchildren etc...of the Northern African Muslim minorities in France. More than some hollow, fake, empty protest against the so called attack on the freedom of speech (it is ok to make fun of religions etc..) how about France try to dialogue with the REALITY, that FRANCE invaded Northern Africa and also many Black African countries, took by force their resources and now they have their unpleasant situation of having "too many Muslims" in France. Kind of like racist Japanese complaining of "too many Koreans in Japan" but those Koreans were slaves, forced laborers of the Imperial Japanese Empire. Ring any bells to our amigos in France?

A range of good comments so far. I agree with them all. The definite finger should be raised to the extremist fringe, but at the same time thought needs to be given as to why this set of circumstances has come about.

JTDanMan,

I guess it's a start that Bibi stood near Mahmoud Abbas, when even proximity talks seem anathema to the former. I'd see Sergey Lavrov's role at best as good cop (to Putin's bad). Did he greet Poroshenko while there?

we will destroy you

Let's leave that line for Liam Neeson. Martyrs are poor ammunition in the fight against extremism.

Not sure why autocrats were invited to a celebration of free speech. Should have been left out on principle. Also not sure why Elbuda Mexicano feels the need to apologize for terrorists. There are a lot of oppressed minorities in the world, but primarily muslims turn to terrorism.

Sense,

Whether you recognize it or not, this is a battle of civilization against savagery.

Hi Fellas,

I am French & Muslim. France, doesn't treat minorities like dirt, it's not true. Some people in France treat minorities like dirt. The French system is designed to promote social progress and when applied properly it works well : I used to be worried about my next meal as a kid and now I am managing a large organization for a big firm and for that I am grateful to the system. The problem is the following one: in certains areas of France it is easier to have access to a gun than a pen. The administration is well aware of it, they do nothing about it because since 1997 elections "safety" is a fantastic campaign platform, putting it in other terms, you're keeping poisoneous snakes around and promise voters to give them antidote.

@scipantheist, I see where you're coming from actually on fact basis it's not correct. Muslims are about a billion worldwide, so even is 0.01% of us turn terrorists the number looks huge, but on proportion of population you'd find out if you did the research that ETA (Basque nationalists) are the most supported terrorist organization (on par with HAMAS depending on the sources)

There are a lot of oppressed minorities in the world, but primarily muslims turn to terrorism.

Yeah, all terrorists are Muslims... Except for the 94% that aren't: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

Was the march to honor victims? Or was it to show their support for freedom of speech? Or to condemn the attacks?

Knowing what Charlie Hebdo was turning out, I don't honor the victims. However I strong condemn the attacks.

Yeah, all terrorists are Muslims... Except for the 94% that aren't: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

Let's see, US only, and 1980 - 2005. How about trying a little harder to find something relevant to the world today, Strangerland.

Thanks, JTDanman. I agree totally.

Whether you recognize it or not, this is a battle of civilization against savagery.

The military industrial complex, the spooks, securocrats and political leaders, who have been given the key to the executive toilet, hoodwink us into supporting their cynical and conscious, futile enterprise (for that's what it is) downstream of the source and sustenance of all this savagery.

Saudi billions proselytize hatred, blood is spilled, citizenries enraged, weaponry sold, atrocities committed, fortunes made, ranks closed, honours awarded. Rinse and repeat.

Must this be the only narrative?

Notice any major national leader missing?

The vast majority of them? ...including 'secret Muslim Barack Hussein Obama'?

Meanwhile back on Mars:

An American terrorism commentator speaking on Fox News has been forced to apologise for describing Birmingham as a "Muslim-only city" where non-Muslims "don't go in".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30773297

The 5 victims - as you call them - were 4 , were killed, were jews in a casher grocery The victims were numerous : 17 killed people + I don't know how many injured peole.

"“I do not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it.” is a Voltaire 's quote.

Please do an effort to be precise.

Must this be the only narrative?*

At this point, the struggle between civilization and savagery is not "a narrative." It is the truth.

An eternal truth.

Jesus had it wrong: its not the poor, but the savagery who we will have with us always.

Savagery exists in all humans, and all human societies, because all human societies are composed of humans. Savagery exists in our pluralistic, secular Democracies, but, critically, NOT AS MUCH, as in Islamic Jihad, and Muslim society in general -- because Islam has not reformed itself.

The great achievement of secular humanism and pluralistic democracy is the precisely the relative taming of savagery -- not domestication, nor even taming, for we are human. Yes, we are a caring, generous, altruistic, sharing and thoughtful species. But we are also violent, selfish, greedy, territorial and shor-sighted and foolish.

Only one human social invention has succeeded in harnessing the potentially destructive parts of our nature, and been able to channel those instinct socially productive ends in, and this is key, an enormously large human ecosystem,. That system is secular pluralistic democracy. As a species have, since 1492, we been living in an ever increasingly interdependant, but non-convergent world. Only secular pluralistic democracy can contain handle the stress it puts on our societies.

It is not that secular pluralistic democracy -- invented in the West -- is different than Chinese or Japanese, or Muslim civilization.

It is that it is better.

Secular Pluralism is the only way for our species to survive the next two hundred years.

STDanMan wrote: " We in civilized nations have our problems."

That seems to infer that those in the middle east are not civilized. Way to denigrate a whole slew of people for the actions of a few. I wonder where the intolerance begins?

Meanringo

Imply. You meant to write, "that seems to imply that those in the middle east are not civilized."

It does not not. You have inferred that is what I meant. And you are wrong. If you were familiar with my recent posting history, you would not have made that error.

But you needn't be familiar with my recent posting history to not have made your incorrect inference. In the very post where I wrote "We in civilized nations have our problems," I included Netenyahu and Abas as part of the We who stand against Islamic Jihad.

Last time I checked, both Netanyahu and Aba's are leaders of two peoples who live in nations in the Middle East.

Notice any major national leader missing?

As leader of the free world, Obama has little time to join with all of the other major world leaders to stand up for freedom. Freedom is for other people... like conservatives or all of the other important world leaders or people like that.

As leader of the free world, Obama bla bla bla bla bla...

Do you have any idea how long it takes to organize a Presidential visit? Didn't think so.

In most Western countries, those cartoons would easily be a chargeable offense under Hate Crime laws.

That is simply not true.

Even if it were, the punishment for a hate crime is not death.

"Religious extremism of ANY faith has NO place in any society. Are we as a species doomed to repeat the atrocities of the Dark Ages, crusades, Inquisition, and Nazis? I should hope not. But, until the major Islamic leaders unequivocally denounce all such terrorist acts in the name of Islam, little or nothing will change for the better. "

@Burning Bush

I think you're misinterpreting the meaning of "hate crime laws". In almost all western countries they exist to provide for increased sentences where an act already considered a crime is motivated by hate.

You murder, you get 25 years. You murder because the victim is of a different ethnicity, you get life. That's hate crime law in action.

Drawing offensive cartoons isn't illegal in the first place, so hate crime law is irrelevant.

JTDanman,

Must our eternal truth really be a rinse and repeat cycle of:

Saudi (or other bejeweled shite-stirrers') billions proselytizing hatred, blood spilled, citizenries enraged, weaponry sold, atrocities committed, fortunes made, ranks closed, honours awarded?

Or do we expose those cynical, self-serving grim reapers in our midst for the morally repugnant ghouls they are, cast our swords into ploughshares, and educate and empower all our citizens to herald a new golden age?

Sense

I did not argue that which you argue against.

You asked: Must this [civilization v savagery] be the only narrative?

My reply is: it is not a 'narrative.' It is a fact.