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Worldwide death toll from coronavirus passes 1 million

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Is that death toll "from", "of", or "with" Covid-1984?

-18 ( +9 / -27 )

That's so ironic as Africa has less cases but millions of people dying there from hunger. Theif life is not a priority...what a shame!

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jun/05/nearly-half-of-all-child-deaths-in-africa-stem-from-hunger-study-shows

-7 ( +8 / -15 )

The Covid-19 death toll is now 1 million 'officially', many more to be expected before the spread of virus ends. The collateral damages are equally damning, the true extent of the destruction of humans' psychology would be revealed gradually.

We said in April that since practically all countries and territories are fighting against a common invisible yet formidable virus, we are having a WWIII in the true sense of "world war". Now what, some 33 millions affected, of which 3.3% already dead, yet there is no end in sight. What a WORLD WAR.

0 ( +14 / -14 )

I lost a high school friend and two granpa's of mine during this year due to this virus, I can relate to their losses. Whichever side you're on with this virus, we can probably all agree that this pandemic needs to stop but unfortunately, it seems like the world and other people don't seem to care anymore.

12 ( +19 / -7 )

(Shrugs) "It is what it is."

5 ( +15 / -10 )

Does that number include those who died from the cruise ship?

-17 ( +7 / -24 )

Is that death toll "from", "of", or "with" Covid-1984?

Does that number include those who died from the cruise ship?

Sadly we still have to deal ignorance as well........

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The bleak milestone, recorded by Johns Hopkins University, is greater than the population of Jerusalem or Austin, Texas. It is 2 1/2 times the sea of humanity that was at Woodstock in 1969. It is more than four times the number killed in the 2004 earthquake and tsunami in the Indian Ocean.

This how the media repoirts this stuff.  Like any of us can visualize these comparisons.

How about 0.013% of the orld's population have died with Covid........   all tragic deaths, but puts it more in context.

-4 ( +10 / -14 )

Even sadder in my opinion, is the so-called "leader of the world" country, nearly 20% of those deaths occurred, purely because their "Dear Ruler" can only deflect and obfuscate the pandemic and blame others for HIS mistakes.

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That's so ironic as Africa has less cases but millions of people dying there from hunger. Theif life is not a priority...what a shame!

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/jun/05/nearly-half-of-all-child-deaths-in-africa-stem-from-hunger-study-shows

It was predicted by almost every so-called expert that the dead toll in Africa from this virus would be

beyond imagination due to the poor hygiene and lack of medical care and surprise, surprise or should I say to their utter shame they have all been proven wrong. Nearly half of all child deaths in Africa stem from hunger

and this report is from people who think Africa is country. People who stay in their posh offices and write reports about places they have never been to. Does the author(s) even understand how enormous half of the child population of the child population is in a continent with 1.3 billion people with the vast majority being young. Africa is always the punching bag, North Korea also had famine and you see children beggars in

some countries yet we don't hear anything about children dying there from hunger.

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How about 0.013% of the orld's population have died with Covid........  all tragic deaths, but puts it more in context.

No, what that statement does is attempt to minimize the tragedy.

So far the world has managed to restrict the spread of this virus to 4.23% of the worlds population with lock downs, social distancing and mask wearing. Of those known to have been covid positive approx 3.3% have died. Just over one million people. If the virus were to spread like the flu, unrestricted so that everyone gets it then the death toll would be astronomical, over 264 million. That puts it in the correct perspective.

-2 ( +11 / -13 )

So far the world has managed to restrict the spread of this virus to 4.23%

should have been So far the world has managed to restrict the spread of this virus to .423%

2 ( +6 / -4 )

Does that number include those who died from the cruise ship?

I think you mean Cruise ship(s)

Yes it does.

14 on the Diamond Princess- Dock -Yokohama Japan

28 on the Ruby Princess - Dock- Sydney Australia.

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How about 0.013% of the orld's population have died with Covid........  all tragic deaths, but puts it more in context.

visualise it like this, the average football stadium is around 40=50k people lets say 50k now thats a lot of people, now stack 20 of them on top of each other fill them with most elderly and thats the visualisation of the dead that would be still here if not for covid19

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Worldwide death toll from coronavirus passes 1 million

Firstly, that is a fictitious number, as many countries have no reliable data and even in organized countries it is completely unclear who did "from" and "with" the virus respectively.

Secondly, have they calculated how much death these draconian lockdowns have caused?

-7 ( +9 / -16 )

Not minimizing.  Justpointing out that this is not the Black Death.  and in the meantime many millions have lost their work or died from other causes.  and we still don't have PROOF that lockdowns work to reduce the death toll.

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visualise it like this, the average football stadium is around 40=50k people lets say 50k now thats a lot of people, now stack 20 of them on top of each other fill them with most elderly and thats the visualisation of the dead that would be still here if not for covid19

each year, 1.35 million people around the world die in car crashes. no co-morbidities involved. They would still be here if it weren't for cars.

Lets ban all cars.

-9 ( +8 / -17 )

and we still don't have PROOF that lockdowns work to reduce the death toll.

The numbers are PROOF that lockdowns reduce the spread and deaths due to covid. Some ignore the numbers but they are only the ignorant who do not understand. An indictment on the worlds education systems leaving too many behind.

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Peter14

The numbers are PROOF that lockdowns reduce the spread and deaths due to covid. 

Actually, they are not. The numbers are all over the place, and depending what numbers you pick, you can also "prove" that the lockdowns increase the spread and deaths. (I.e. the countries with the leading deaths in Europe all had lockdowns).

Fact is, there are many factors and situations are different. There are no two identical countries where you can compare lockdown vs no lockdown. Fact is also that the lockdowns have many negative effects. In the end it is question of balance. These simplifications are not helpful.

-4 ( +9 / -13 )

NOMINATIONToday  12:53 pm JST

Does that number include those who died from the cruise ship?

It includes everybody who died from the coronavirus released in China.

4 ( +12 / -8 )

Actually, they are not.

actually they are if the lockdowns are done quickly and expansive, all the countires I listed did quick expansive lockdowns and they now have some of the lowest deaths per capita in the world.

Taiwan less than 1 per million

Japan 11.5

Singapore 4.8

South Korea 7.1

China 3.4

New Zealand 5.1

Australia 32.9

countries that didnt act quickly are now suffering as a result

Peru 966.79

Belgium 869.37

Chile 642.85

Spain 642.16

Ecuador 641.7

Brazil 635.51

United Kingdom 626.63

USA 597.07

Italy 589.64

Sweden 574.58

Mexico 568.01

got to love science always belittles the deniers with facts

5 ( +12 / -7 )

Is that death toll "from", "of", or "with" Covid-1984?

This inability to imagine the awesome power of a virus like Corona to infect millions and reproduce itself exponentially illustrates why humans are easy prey and perfect hosts. The million dead will double by the end of the year and perhaps only then will it finally dawn on the deniers that we face a formidable foe. Anyone familiar with history or has read Camus will have no illusions about the gravity of this pandemic. I fear for the young who are especially vulnerable vectors of contagion because of their energy and exuberance against which the flesh is weak and will power is of little avail.

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wtfjapanActually, they are not.

actually they are if the lockdowns are done quickly and expansive, all the countires I listed did quick expansive lockdowns and they now have some of the lowest deaths per capita in the world.

Taiwan less than 1 per million

Japan 11.5

(....)

Belgium 869.37

Spain 642.16

United Kingdom 626.63

Italy 589.64

Japan and Taiwan did not have a lockdown, and Belgium, Spain, Italy and the UK did. Your numbers show the opposite of what you claim. Again, I am not claiming a direct correlation either way. I am just saying the simplistic direct correlation is wrong.

And by the way, your US average makes no sense either. Some US states (NY, Connecticut) are extremely high, other extremely low, close to zero.

Lets be more careful with selective statistics.

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

Somebody give that guy in the pic an appropriate shovel. I am not surprised about the one million deaths. I am surprised he got that deep using a square shovel!

0 ( +2 / -2 )

As this article references,

"For all its lethality, the virus has claimed far fewer lives than the so-called Spanish flu, which killed an estimated 40 million to 50 million worldwide in two years, just over a century ago.

Despite this massive death toll, economies weren't locked down causing a global economic crisis, and humanity not only survived but rebounded strongly. The population of the planet has also grown greatly(excessively?) since then.

Yes, this virus is more than a seasonal flu, but below is the recently updated data from the CDC which also estimates the R-naught at 2.5.

The survivability of most(except for those of very advanced years) is over 99%.

"The US Center for Disease Control (CDC) has released an update to their research on the fatality rate associated with COVID-19. The CDC first posted this data on May 20, 2020, with the understanding that the parameter values would be updated and augmented over time. This update, dated September 10th, is based on data received by CDC through August 8, 2020.

A quick summary of COVID-19 survival rates is shown below. The summary is based on the CDC table provided at the end of this report.

CDC COVID-19 Survival Rates

Age 0-19 — 99.997%

Age 20-49 — 99.98%

Age 50-69 — 99.5%

Age 70+ — 94.6%

"

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

Here's some debunked statement:

" I fear for the young who are especially vulnerable vectors of contagion because of their energy and exuberance against which the flesh is weak and will power is of little avail."

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/09/18/science.abd6165?rss=1

-5 ( +4 / -9 )

u_s__reamer

I fear for the young who are especially vulnerable vectors of contagion because of their energy and exuberance against which the flesh is weak and will power is of little avail.

If you look at the data, you will see that the young are practically unaffected. The virus affects those with mulitple co-morbities, and especially the very old ones among those. Can we tone down the exaggerations?

-7 ( +5 / -12 )

Lol. Down votes for posting factual data from the CDC that gives GOOD NEWS of over 99% survivability for most except the very aged. Yet, even among seniors the survivability is quite high.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

One out of every three "survivors" have not recovered and have chronic, debilitating symptoms. One half of people hospitalized are unable to return to work due to chronic symptoms.

Survivability isn't the only metric.

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Peter Neil:

One out of every three "survivors" have not recovered and have chronic, debilitating symptoms. One half of people hospitalized are unable to return to work due to chronic symptoms.

Seeing that the majority of healthy people is has no symptoms, i.e. does not even know that they had had the virus, this sounds like a strange claim. What is the source for it?

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

People with Covid19 but no symptoms are “suddenly” going to hospitals to complain of breathing problems, and, in some cases, confusion. The most popular complaint (according to brain surgeon I listen to) is chronic fatigue, something most 20-year-olds don’t suffer from - until after having Covid19 but with no symptoms.

So that makes the actual number of those affected by the virus much higher.

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We will only know in hindsight whether this one million is even close. First we need to find out what the death rates in each population are for all of 2020, and then subtract out the average number of annual deaths from years such as 2019 and 2018. In any given year, a certain percentage of the population will die from traffic accidents and physical comorbidities. Many of the deaths attributed to COVID19 in 2020 may well have been invalids or persons with preexisting conditions and comorbidities who would have died anyway this year. And some countries such as the USA saw a decrease in their highway fatalities. After comparing all the totals, any significant increase in deaths may then be attributed to COVID19.

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

Is that death toll "from", "of", or "with" Covid-1984?

This inability to imagine the awesome power of a virus like Corona to infect millions and reproduce itself exponentially illustrates why humans are easy prey and perfect hosts.

This inability to imagine the awesome power of media to stir up mass hysteria illustrates why humans are easy prey.

-8 ( +2 / -10 )

Again, I am not claiming a direct correlation either way.

You did claim that lockdowns do not work the other day.

Are you standing by this?

4 ( +6 / -2 )

What is the source for it?

It's very easy to find many sources. Just search.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Start here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/us/coronavirus-long-term-effects.html

4 ( +4 / -0 )

All I can think of is the Bob Marley song that goes:

Time alone - oh, time will tell

Think you are in heaven, but you living in hell

Think you are in heaven, but you living in hell

Think you are in heaven, but you living in hell

Time alone - oh, time will tell

You think you are in heaven, but you living in hell

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

each year, 1.35 million people around the world die in car crashes. no co-morbidities involved. They would still be here if it weren't for cars.

Lets ban all cars.

Well bob, the traffic fatality rate of the US is 50% higher than any other developed country in addition to the highest fatalities from Covid-19. Risky behavior begets deadly risk.

If everyone in the US had worn a mask starting in June, the pandemic would be over in the US.

But, no, you listened to a lying psychopath president and thought you were smarter than the experts. You made wearing a mask a political statement glorifying ignorance instead of a political statement glorifying responsible action to protect and your friends and neighbors.

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Peter Neill

If everyone in the US had worn a mask starting in June, the pandemic would be over in the US.

That is pure speculation on your part. No rational basis for the claim.

But, no, you listened to a lying psychopath president and thought you were smarter than the experts.

Trump did not advise anyone against wearing masks. And the experts are divided on mask rules for the general population.

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

Peter Neill:

Start here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/us/coronavirus-long-term-effects.html

That is an opinion article, which refers to a study that is based on interviews with 274 (yen two hundred seventy four) people. That is a really really thin base for the grand claim that "One out of every three "survivors" have not recovered and have chronic, debilitating symptoms." Got anything else?

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

Some people talk as if all lockdowns are the same.

A lockdown that was put in place too late or lifted too early doesn’t accomplish much more than annoying the people, since so many still die regardless.

The people trying to claim they don’t work like to avoid this little nugget of fact. It wrecks their narrative. Ask them to do a breakdown of which countries implemented effective lockdowns after they were already seeing significant deaths, which ones lifted them before the curve was flattened, and which ones implemented the lockdown quickly and waited until it was safe to loosen restrictions, and they run away with their narrative destroyed.

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Strangerland

The people trying to claim they don’t work like to avoid this little nugget of fact. It wrecks their narrative. Ask them to do a breakdown of which countries implemented effective lockdowns after they were already seeing significant deaths, which ones lifted them before the curve was flattened, and which ones implemented the lockdown quickly and waited until it was safe to loosen restrictions, and they run away with their narrative destroyed.

I do not think there is any detailed breakdown of lockdowns the way you describe; if have have seen one, share it.

And I do not think there are any countries that implemented lockdowns early, as even in February nobody really knew what they were looking at.

Please note that the Taiwan, which is always mentioned, never had a "lockdown", Australia style. What Taiwan did very early on was close the borders to China and check every entrant. That is something that is easier for a small island country than for most others.

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

I do not think there is any detailed breakdown of lockdowns the way you describe; if have have seen one, share it.

I haven’t seen one. But I’m not the one claiming lockdowns don’t work without having this very pertinent piece of information.

This is why I point out that the armchair experts feel qualified to talk as if they know what they are talking about, when it’s clear they aren’t even fully comprehending of what needs to be understood in order to make a judgement, much less accurately make that judgement.

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Strangerland

I haven’t seen one.

I rest my case.

But I’m not the one claiming lockdowns don’t work without having this very pertinent piece of information.

No, you are the one claiming they "work". And then falling back on "they work if" with a lot of "ifs" when shown that reality does not back support that blanket claim.

-5 ( +1 / -6 )

Worldwide death toll from coronavirus passes 1 million

...The virus first appeared in late 2019 in patients hospitalized in the Chinese city of Wuhan, where the first death was reported on Jan. 11. By the time authorities locked down the city nearly two weeks later, millions of travelers had come and gone. China’s government has come in for criticism that it did not do enough to alert other countries to the threat.

China, and it's pet health organization, the WHO, had failed to alert the world that a deadly virus had been released from China. China was slow to provide the much needed PPE gear that the world's nations so desperately needed. Credit where credit is due.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

My suspicion is there are probably as many cases that weren't reported as were. I am pretty sure I had it in mid November 2019 but nobody was looking for Covid-19 back then. In hindsight my doctor agrees I and quite a few others she saw around November and December of last year very likely had Covid-19 but they had no test for it and no knowledge it even existed. I tested negative for pneumonia and the seasonal flu so it was written off to bronchitis. Can't ever remember being that sick and the lethargy and cough lingered well into this summer. The fellow I shared an office with was similarly sick and he is a good twenty years younger than i am. I have an anti-body test to take but those are notoriously unreliable. Early on lots of people suffered and died from Covid-19 without ever being tested for it. The wife of a neighbor came down with pneumonia last December on a visit to Hong Kong and died. Covid-19? Nobody knows and she is buried in Hong Kong. Those that minimize this pandemic are in denial.

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No, you are the one claiming they "work".

Where did I claim that?

I questioned your labeling lockdowns as not working, and exposed that you don't even have the relevant information to be able to make that declaration.

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@zaphod

So just to clarify, your actual position is that we don’t have the scientific data to judge whether lockdowns work or not, but your political instincts tell you they don’t, and that it’s a ploy to erode civil liberties?

Is that right?

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