U.S. warns merchant ships of possible Iranian attacks; cleric threatens U.S. fleet

Once again America is laying the foundations for another war of choice.  This will reach a crescendo a couple of months before the 2020 elections when Trump will declare he has no other option but to attack Iran to protect the US.  Straight from the Iraq war playbook.  And it is of great concern to me that the American people seem to fall for this con every time.

So what should Trump do? They threaten to attack us and our fleet, weh should just let them, right?

Didn’t the US just become the world’s biggest oil producer?

What are American ships doing in the Hormuz straits?

Any provocation by the US will result in many lives lost as the the Iranians can target ships with middles at close range.

Maybe the US will financially benefit but there will loss of life on both sides.

Trump really has no idea what he's doing here.

So what should Trump do? They threaten to attack us and our fleet, weh should just let them, right?

Now you trust our intelligence agencies? Just so I understand this, the intelligence agencies cannot be trusted when they release information negative about Trump or his ideas, but are 100% trustworthy when they back Trump. Right, got it.

Hmmmm....That sounds like a typical appeasement excuse, run and hide, take cover and allow the bully to intimidate you something I learned as a child to never accept.

Trumpophiles know appeasement and capitulation. Just look at Donny kneeling before Kim.

Apparently, the entire Pentagon doesn’t think so.

There is literally no way you could know this.

Now you trust our intelligence agencies?

I trust the Pentagon. I never said anything about the FBI or the CIA (which I trust a little more)

Trumpophiles know appeasement and capitulation. Just look at Donny kneeling before Kim

Impossible. Did Kim get sanction relief? That’s the biggest thing he wants. No capitulation or relief or appeasement there and no amount of the Dear leaders temper tantrum is going to help him.

There is literally no way you could know this.

Yes, I see the USS Lincoln approaching the region, that’s a very visible sign.

Hmmmm....That sounds like a typical appeasement excuse, run and hide, take cover and allow the bully to intimidate you something I learned as a child to never accept.

I surprisingly agree with you. This is something that Iran, and the world, should not accept.

I trust the Pentagon. I never said anything about the FBI or the CIA (which I trust a little more)

We know you trust whoever supports your current position.

Impossible. Did Kim get sanction relief? That’s the biggest thing he wants. No capitulation or relief or appeasement there and no amount of the Dear leaders temper tantrum is going to help him.

Someone doesn't understand that appeasement is not an all or nothing proposition. Cancel the war games and get that Nobel prize ready because Donny got a photo whilst legitimizing Kim.

Yes, I see the USS Lincoln approaching the region, that’s a very visible sign

It's a sign that the president wants the carrier there, nothing more or less can be inferred unless you have access to the pentagon or president.

We know you trust whoever supports your current position.

Not usually, just the facts.

Someone doesn't understand that appeasement is not an all or nothing proposition. Cancel the war games and get that Nobel prize ready because Donny got a photo whilst legitimizing Kim.

Sorry, that’s not appeasement necessarily in the sense the only thing that Kim and his family cared about is sanction relief. Every other President has given him that and not this President, that’s the biggest thing that Kim wants, access to his money which he desperately needs for him, his military and his overall assurance for political survival.

It's a sign that the president wants the carrier there, nothing more or less can be inferred unless you have access to the pentagon or president.

With the advise and recommendations of the Pentagon, it’s a good thing.

Good thing we are diverting funds from the Pentagon for 80 miles of fencing.

Iran isn't looking for a war. Is Trump?

Iran was threatening to launch attacks on the US it was discovered, this is why the Trump administration is sending the strong message, it would be stupid and irresponsible if he didn’t respond. The last administration would have allowed that and just let it happen.

Good thing we are diverting funds from the Pentagon for 80 miles of fencing

I definitely think so. At least we can finally get our borders under control.

Just how could Iran even attack the U.S.? Long way to even the first base. Sounds more like Bush and his excuse for war with WMD.

Proxies, they’ve been doing it in Syria and Iraq and also I really could care less what the media is saying, you and I don’t know what the Joint Chiefs of Staff discussed with the President, you don’t have to like or agree with it, it’s going to happen though as we speak. All the haters can hate, but they can’t stop it.

In Trump's own words 12/1/16

We will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past. We will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments. Our goal is stability not chaos.

In our dealings with other countries we will seek shared interests where-ever possible and pursue a new era of peace, understanding and goodwill.

I have a feeling that this is a lot of chest beating and name calling same as with the US and NK, just before a meeting is held and things get back to normal.

Then again, an election is comign and the best way to get reelected is through a war since people usually don't want to change their commander in chief at that time but who knows? I just hope the price of oil doesn't go through the roof, but it may if there is a war.

why are you accusing me of being a hater.

I didn’t accuse you of anything.

We all need to question every intelligence reports since Bush was so wrong over the WMD. That lead to two major wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, costing about $6 trillion and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilian lives. 

The only people that are talking about war are liberals. Obama was so wrong in not doing anything to help the Ukrainians ward off the Russians for annexing Crimea.

What kind of proxy war could Iran make America who too have their own histories of proxy wars.

Iran made a deal with the major countries of the world, including America but Trump withdrew leading to the current situation.

But that deal was disastrous for Israel and the Saudis and the US overall, thank God Trump fixed that.

Trump has a phone call with Putin - we don't know what was discussed..

Next, US policy towards Iran changes and becomes more confrontational - citing unknown "threats"...

Next, US forces surge into the Middle East...

Next, as seen above, there will be some mistake or provocation...

Next, it escalates and a war starts...

Next, Iran's oil production plummets...

Next, Russian quickly fills the gap with Russian oil...Russian revenues surge (Putin's too)...

Next, Putin and Trump have another phone call, Trump thanks Putin for his help during the campaign or says he did as he was told given the info Putin has on Trump's Russian business ties. Putin thanks Trump for pulling out of the IRBM Treaty and for starting the war with Iran...

Next, they plan Russia's more extensive interference in the 2020 election...

That's what happens when you have a Russian asset in the White House...

The truth of the matter here is that our "allies" in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia and Israel) should not be driving America's foreign policy in the region. One of the biggest foreign policy mistakes our country ever made was going to war in Iraq. We wasted so much American lives and treasure. And for what? Nothing. We were pushed into that war by the Neocons, and almost every one of them was an ardent Israel supporter. Was the decision to go to war based on America's interests or someone else's? Any conflict with Iran should be viewed in the same light.

bass4funk: "So what should Trump do? They threaten to attack us and our fleet, weh should just let them, right?".  The US has just confiscated a Iranian ship, so what should they do? Just let them right? Another brainwashed supporter of a warmongering nation.

you did in your response to my post.

No, I did not.

How could have Obama and America prevent the Putin/Russian take over the Crimea without a direct war against Russia and Putin knew America was powerless to do anything.

There was a lot Obama could have done, he could have supplied the Ukrainians with arms, imposed the toughest sanctions on Moscow.

I've not read anything about "it's the liberals who want war?"

Why would they when they usually capitulate or give in to appeasement.

Trump didn't fix anything with the nuclear deal and caused the current situation. How is Iran not having nuclear weapons bad for Israel and Saudi. Israel already has hundreds of it's own atomic weapons. Don't think God was involved in Trump's decision making.

I do thank God.

The whole neighborhood will race to go nuclear. This deal most likely will accelerate nuclear proliferation. Because if regional powers feel threatened by the possibility of Iran getting a weapon and the penalty for producing nuclear weapons decreases, then why wouldn’t they?

**Tehran gets to keep its vast nuclear infrastructure and its missile program.**  And the promises from Iran only confirm the obvious: that the regime definitely has nuclear-weapons ambitions. After all, why have a massive ballistic-missile program and secret military nuclear facilities if the plan isn’t to build nuclear weapons?

Sanctions relief will make the region far less safe. The sanctions relief and the renewed ability to sell more oil on the open market could wind up bringing $300-400 billion into the Iranian economy, bolstering the Iranian government. Essentially, this means the deal will pay for undermining U.S. policy and interests throughout the region.

The deal is temporary, by design. Even the White House doesn’t claim it will permanently keep Iran from getting a bomb. So, what’s the point?

Again I’m happy about the outcome. Makes perfect sense to me.

https://www.myheritage.org/news/4-reasons-why-the-iran-deal-may-be-the-worst-diplomatic-decision-in-history/

A major problem I have with Trump is he's a serial liar, having told 10,000 even in his short term in office and for sure, Trump will become the greatest lying president in the history of the country.

Ok, well that’s your personal opinion. I do respect it. I feel differently about the man.

bass4funk: "All the haters can hate, but they can’t stop it."  This has nothing to do with "haters", it has to do with international law: the US seized a sovereign nations sea vessel. Although the US thinks it is exempt from international law, it is not. It is past time the nations of the globe reigned in the US, time they isolated the US. As I've said on many occasions, the US is only as strong as other nations allow it to  be. On its own the US is a drop in the bucket, a warmongering drop.

The US has just confiscated a Iranian ship,

They should.

so what should they do? Just let them right? Another brainwashed supporter of a warmongering nation

https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-humiliated-us-navy-obama-stopped-under-trump-2018-3

Brainwashed? I feel the same about the appeasement crowd. Like I said, liberals believe around the world into capitulation and in appeasement and this is why we have to be involved in saving everyone's neck.

This has nothing to do with "haters", it has to do with international law: the US seized a sovereign nations sea vessel.

Good.

Trump made the offer as he increased economic and military pressure on Iran, moving to cut off all Iranian oil exports this month while beefing up the U.S. Navy and Air Force presence in the Gulf. Acting U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan approved a new deployment of Patriot missiles to the Middle East, a U.S. official told Reuters on Friday.

Washington further tightened sanctions on Iran this month - eliminating waivers that had allowed some countries to buy its oil - with a goal of reducing Tehran's crude exports to zero.

squeeze them as hard as they can. Either way, if Iran doesn’t give up its nuclear weapons Israel and the Saudis would never allow a nuclear Iran to exist, take the US out of the picture here, ain’t going to happen. But combined with the US it makes for a more menacing presence.

Although the US thinks it is exempt from international law, it is not. It is past time the nations of the globe reigned in the US, time they isolated the US. As I've said on many occasions, the US is only as strong as other nations allow it to be. On its own the US is a drop in the bucket, a warmongering drop.*

ROFL! Yeah, you believe that.

So a proxy war like you are now accusing Iran of doing? You are confusing. Alright for America to make proxy wars but not other countries.

If you want to believe that the Mullahs want peace with the US, you are free to continue thinking that.

This is so weird. Trump would be lucky to get a nuclear deal half as good with the Iranians than the one he's struggling to get with the N. Koreans.

bass4funkToday 08:13 am

Iran was threatening to launch attacks on the US it was discovered.

Really?  Discovered by who?  Was it like when the Iraqis were going to drop poisonous gas in New York?  Remember the duct tape and plastic sheeting scare?  Iran has not invaded any country anywhere for over 500 years.  And America has invaded countless, and pointless countries in a much shorter time span.  Trump needs a war next year to get him elected.  He is willing to sacrifice both American and Iranian lives to do this.  He is a sick, wicked and evil con man.

Another American war of "liberation", or in other words America's effort to liberate Iranian people from their lives. At the same time making even more money for the American industrial military complex.

Riperez, re this ship you are talking about above, are you referring the the DPRK ship that the US seized, or the one the Libyans seized smuggling weapons to MIzrata? Source please!