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Trump says he aborted retaliatory strike to spare Iranian lives

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We’re fortunate to have a President as calm and rational as Trump, unlike the warmongering ones we’ve had in the recent past.

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Trump is anything but calm and rational. He is skittish and bullying. He welches on deals and fêtes dictators.

Iran must prepare to defend itself from the Great Satan.

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This whole mess was Trumps doing in the first place there is nothing calm and rational about the man.But hey its great that Vladimir is keeping him on a tight leash...

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Trump's abrupt decision drew mixed reviews in Washington, with some people criticizing him for flinching while others, notably senior Democrats, praising what they saw as restraint.

Huh? Democrats, PRAISING Trump for restraint? A snowball just made it's way through hell!

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While I'm happy he's refrained so far, the fact that this administration is run like a reality show never fails to unsettle me. By November of next year, Americans will crave normalcy.

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We’re fortunate to have a President as calm and rational as Trump, unlike the warmongering ones we’ve had in the recent past.

In what world does a person that constantly shoots off at the mouth which gets us to the point of jets in the air and ships in place qualify as calm and rational?

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We’re fortunate to have a President as calm and rational as Trump, unlike the warmongering ones we’ve had in the recent past.

You gotta be kidding? A comment only made by someone who decided to pull their head out of the sand yesterday! I guess you don't read the newspapers or follow the news about what Trump spits out on Twitter!

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 I guess you don't read the newspapers or follow the news about what Trump spits out on Twitter!

What would you prefer, words on twitter, or missiles from silent drones?

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While I'm happy he's refrained so far, the fact that this administration is run like a reality show never fails to unsettle me.

Credit where it’s due. Restraint was the right thing to do in that moment, regardless of how it got to that point in the first place.

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But yeah, the whole reality tv thing is unsettling.

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In what world...?

A world where one is not affraid to de-escalate, when it serve tge purpose to de-escalate.

I was never a Trump fan before he was elected, I was not Trump fan after he was elected and thatread he stacks his team with wildly opposing extreme sides and let them go at each other in the Roosevelt room, now I can see tgat such approach, as disfunctional as it seems to the quitters, does bring about robust debate and in this instance, appropriate de-escalation.

Obama might have had a functioning war room, but tge world does not need war over peace.

Bring on more sanctions!

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Trump's version of the aborted attack is all theater. Casualty assessment would be one of the first pieces of intel he would have received from his intelligence team. Getting everyone spun up and ready to go only to call it off because the attack would have been disproportionate should have been obvious within the first 30 minutes of his briefing. They played the military to make him look good.

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Trump should have kept the nuclear deal Obama made with the Iranians and worked to change or modify it, but instead Trump foolishly scrapped the entire thing and, "Presto, change-o!", now we have this new Trump-manufactured mess. The only reason why he did everything back-asswards was because of his personal hatred toward Obama, very much like the way Trump continues to feel about the late John McCain. It's all personal and illogical.

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What would you prefer, words on twitter, or missiles from silent drones?

https://worldbeyondwar.org/u-s-drone-strikes-gone-432-since-trump-took-office/

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers

Want more?

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Credit where it’s due. Restraint was the right thing to do in that moment, regardless of how it got to that point in the first place.

Agreed. The issue is that the erratic way in which Donny acts causes uncertainty so actors like Iran decide to attack because they never know what nonsense Donny will come up with next.

War is never the answer, neither is ratcheting up tensions to the brink of war.

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A world where one is not affraid to de-escalate, when it serve tge purpose to de-escalate.

That's not calm and rational, it's erratic and emotional.

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Trump is anything but calm and rational.

If that were true, bombs would have started flying last night.

He is skittish and bullying.

He’s the President he should be bullish.

He welches on deals and fêtes dictators.

Our adversaries do the same.

Iran must prepare to defend itself from the Great Satan.

They can try, they can really try.

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While I'm happy he's refrained so far, the fact that this administration is run like a reality show never fails to unsettle me. By November of next year, Americans will crave normalcy.

And then after his second term you think he’s just going to try and go to war? Still? I doubt it.

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Trump is a paper tiger.

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Wow, lotta hate from the Liberals on Trump for refusing to take the military option to kill people rather than talk with them. Let's remember that his liberal predecessor was extremely trigger-happy when it came to killer drones and got the US involved in more armed conflicts than any US president in history.

And HIS globalist predecessor got the US involved in 2 of the most devastating wars in recent times, based on lies and deceit. Thousands of body bags filled with young Americans have come back home...until recently.

Welcome to the modern world: the biggest warmongers are liberals and globalists. Hail the populists.

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And then after his second term you think he’s just going to try and go to war? Still? I doubt it.

Completely irrelevant to the administration being run like a reality tv show or people wanting normalcy next year.

Our adversaries do the same.

It never takes long for Trumpophiles to defend Donny by claiming two wrongs make a right. Too funny.

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Wow, lotta hate from the Liberals on Trump for refusing to take the military option to kill people rather than talk with them

You completely misunderstand what's going on. We are criticizing Donny for getting us into this situation because he doesn't think things through and shoots his mouth and makes decisions with incomplete information only to do screeching 180s minutes later.

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@JeffLee

Obama was no saint that's true but don't think Trump is any less trigger-happy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

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Trump is a paper tiger.

So he should have gone forward with the strike?

Completely irrelevant

No very Relevant, they can’t get away with that kind of behavior and sooner or later there will be a response, you need to go to a full scale war to do that. Even Adam Schiff was telling people to back off on this President and his decision. Good move, another shoe in for next year.

It never takes long for Trumpophiles to defend Donny by claiming two wrongs make a right. Too funny

Well, you are entitled to believe that.

You completely misunderstand what's going on. We are criticizing Donny for getting us into this situation because he doesn't think things through and shoots his mouth and makes decisions with incomplete information only to do screeching 180s minutes later

Well, you just got proved wrong, he decided at the last minute, this is not a good idea, I’ll take a wait and see approach. Seems well thought out to me. A military strike was adverted, liberals, relax. He’s not a warmonger, time for a new argument.

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Obama was no saint that's true but don't think Trump is any less trigger-happy.

Isn't this the same president who didn't believe the Iranians intended a drone strike in the first place? I find it a stretch to think that the cocked and loaded comments were any more reflective of reality.

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So Iranian live matter more than Syrian at least he could have lied a bit better...

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So he should have gone forward with the strike?

You're the one constantly criticizing Obama as having been weak, so according to you, yes.

No very Relevant, they can’t get away with that kind of behavior and sooner or later there will be a response, you need to go to a full scale war to do that. Even Adam Schiff was telling people to back off on this President and his decision. Good move, another shoe in for next year

Here you go again trying to twist a conversation away from the original topic because you have no substantive retort to the original topic. The topic to hand was Donny's admin being run like a reality tv show leading Americans to want normalcy next November.

Well, you are entitled to believe that.

Thanks. I appreciate you giving me permission to describe a lot of your posts.

Well, you just got proved wrong, he decided at the last minute, this is not a good idea, I’ll take a wait and see approach. Seems well thought out to me. A military strike was adverted, liberals, relax. He’s not a warmonger, time for a new argument.

You just demonstrated that you also don't understand what's going on. If any of this had been well thought out, the jets and ships wouldn't have been put in place to launch an attack. Deciding to do something at the last minute indicates little to no premeditation.

Trumpophile "logic" on full display.

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Isn't this the same president who didn't believe the Iranians intended a drone strike in the first place? I find it a stretch to think that the cocked and loaded comments were any more reflective of reality.

You've got people on here who tried to use Obama's high drone strike numbers against him and I've just posted 3 links showing drone strikes under Trump have increased as has the secrecy around the number of deaths. You really don't have to stretch that far.

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It seems the reality bit of the reality show got to Donny and he decided he really couldn't kill 150 people in cold blood for no reason.

Donny finally did something praiseworthy.

A pity that it was his previous actions that got him (and everyone else) into that situation in the first place.

Now he needs to go home, have a nice relaxing lie-down, then look again at all his other stupid policies that need rolling back.

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Chip Star - That's not calm and rational, it's erratic and emotional.

Back in May Iran said they would disrupt traffic thru the strait. Their score so far is 6 damaged vessels, and 1 downed drone.

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Trumplets calling this some kind of win for their base....wow just wow..

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Maybe it happened exactly as Trump said or maybe it's all just scripted BS. No one knows since he's so untrustworthy.

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Trump has a habit of making things so bad that conflict seems imminent. Then he steps back and tries to get credit for not going to war. Simple people seem to fall for his tricks but if he didnt pull out of a working agreement and reintroduce sanctions that were not necessary then the world would not be looking at a possible Iran v US conflict that no rational person wants.

No credit to Trump who has done nothing but make one sensible call amongst thousands of bad ones.

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You're the one constantly criticizing Obama as having been weak, so according to you, yes.

Hmmmm....doesn’t really make sense, Trump just thinks at this point and time, we should hold of on a strike, which is different from just not doing anything or going up to our enemies give a long boring speech and asking for forgiveness, that is something this President has never done or will ever do.

Here you go again trying to twist a conversation away from the original topic because you have no substantive retort to the original topic.

No, you just don’t like being cornered again.

The topic to hand was Donny's admin being run like a reality tv show leading Americans to want normalcy next November.

Once all these socialists are knocked out of the ballpark, normalcy will ensue, I’m sure of it.

You just demonstrated that you also don't understand what's going on.

Democrats don’t know what’s going with the exception of Adam Schiff, wow!

If any of this had been well thought out, the jets and ships wouldn't have been put in place to launch an attack. Deciding to do something at the last minute indicates little to no premeditation.

No, it indicates and sends a strong message, try that again and watch what we can do.

Trumpophile "logic" on full display

Love it!

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Back in May Iran said they would disrupt traffic thru the strait. Their score so far is 6 damaged vessels, and 1 downed drone.

I think it does deserve some sort of response. The bill is in Iran’s court, what do they want to do, continue on this dangerous path or rethink how their stupid actions can get them in a position, they would deeply regret.

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Maybe it happened exactly as Trump said or maybe it's all just scripted BS.

The overall strategy seems clearly to find face saving measures that work for both sides but he may also have asked for a thorough review on the casualty numbers or something to that effect.

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A very good decision by President Trump. He has been consistent from day 1 that he would rather make friends with so called 'adversaries' than go to war with them, and stating his wish to avoid wars that cost lives.

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Great he calmed down his rhetoric a bit.

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Most of us have learned by now that anything hammy Donnie says must be taken with a bucket of salt. Violent solutions to problems belong in the realm of the schoolyard bully, so the "restraint", real or not, resulted in zero casualties. This downing of a drone has created a perfect excuse for both sides to sit down and talk turkey about Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq and last but not least Israel and the Palestinians.

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Obama is probably the president who used more drone strikes than any other.

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Lizz: The overall strategy seems clearly to find face saving measures that work for both sides but he may also have asked for a thorough review on the casualty numbers or something to that effect.

Yep. It really could have happened any number of ways. The narrative also makes Trump look like he was the one who wanted to save lives while all of his advisors around him were in favor of the strike, like he was the "good guy" in the situation and now wants to talk to Iran.

Maybe he was talked into the strikes and changed his mind at the last minute, or maybe that's just the story they want to tell. Either way the narratives requires that you believe Trump is impulsive, indecisive, and second-guesses himself.

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Back in May Iran said they would disrupt traffic thru the strait. Their score so far is 6 damaged vessels, and 1 downed drone.

Completely irrelevant to Donny being erratic and emotional.

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Hmmmm....doesn’t really make sense, Trump just thinks at this point and time, we should hold of on a strike, which is different from just not doing anything or going up to our enemies give a long boring speech and asking for forgiveness, that is something this President has never done or will ever do.

You sure about that? Donny thought it was time for a strike regency he ordered the jets and ships into place, but then suddenly decided it wasn't time. Trying to predict what Donny thinks is like trying to read tea leaves; an exercise in futility.

No, you just don’t like being cornered again.

Oh, I get it now. You think twisting a conversation with irrelevant responses is demonstrating someone as being incorrect. Lmao!

Once all these socialists are knocked out of the ballpark, normalcy will ensue, I’m sure of it.

You've doubled down on the irrelevance. Hilarious.

Democrats don’t know what’s going with the exception of Adam Schiff, wow

Irrelevant to you not understanding what's going on, but I bet it made you feel better getting in a dig at democrats.

No, it indicates and sends a strong message, try that again and watch what we can do.

Are maybe what we won't do depending on Donny's feelings at any given moment.

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@cla68Today 06:29 am JST

We’re fortunate to have a President as calm and rational as Trump, unlike the warmongering ones we’ve had in the recent past.

Time will tell

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Yep. It really could have happened any number of ways. The narrative also makes Trump look like he was the one who wanted to save lives while all of his advisors around him were in favor of the strike, like he was the "good guy" in the situation and now wants to talk to Iran.

He is the President, so it’s a good thing and for the doves you guys can rejoice.

Maybe he was talked into the strikes and changed his mind at the last minute, or maybe that's just the story they want to tell.

..or maybe he really did change his mind, but the media wants to speculate like they always do to come up with some negative narrative.

Either way the narratives requires that you believe Trump is impulsive, indecisive, and second-guesses himself.

Like any other leader, I think Trump did well acting on his impulses.

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As much as I despise both of the barbaric countries, Saudi and Iran I think a war or attack from America against Iran will not improve the current position. Restore the nuclear agreement and then try to change what is not liked.

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LOL!

> We’re fortunate to have a President as calm and rational as Trump, unlike the warmongering ones we’ve had in the recent past.

‘Fox & Friends’ Calls Donald Trump ‘Weak,’ Tries to Goad Him Into War With Iran

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-friends-calls-donald-trump-134356480.html

Hannity Warns Iran: End Hostility Or Trump Will ‘Bomb The Hell Out Of' You

https://news.yahoo.com/sean-hannity-iran-donald-trump-103402989.html

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bass: maybe he really did change his mind, but the media wants to speculate like they always do to come up with some negative narrative

Well Trump said he changed his mind at the last minute, it's not something the media speculated about.

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Obama is probably the president who used more drone strikes than any other.

Drone Strikes Up 432 Percent Under Donald Trump

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/25604-drone-strikes-up-432-percent-under-donald-trump

As reported by Micah Zenko:

During President Obama’s two terms in office, he approved 542 such targeted strikes in 2,920 days — one every 5.4 days. From his inauguration through today, President Trump had approved at least 36 drone strikes or raids in 45 days — one every 1.25 days.

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"There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a UK-based think tank."

Trump has classified once again the numbers killed by drones.

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“To save Iranian lives” but wants to sell weapons to Saudi-Arabia so they can continue pounding Yemen.

Do you smell it? I can smell it.

Lamest excuse I have heard for a while...

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Calm, rational and Donny don’t belong in the same sentence.

A rational person would have realized much earlier that air strikes result in casualties. Looks like someone doesn’t read Daily briefs .

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Restore the nuclear agreement and then try to change what is not liked.

I don’t think they need to remake it at all.

Well Trump said he changed his mind at the last minute, it's not something the media speculated about.

No, they did. They were so sure in the Fake news network that war was inevitable and Armageddon was on the horizon and it never happened, wouldn’t be the first time they jumped ahead of themselves and won’t be the last.

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Bass:. No, they did. They were so sure in the Fake news network that war was inevitable and Armageddon was on the horizon and it never happened, wouldn’t be the first time they jumped ahead of themselves and won’t be the last.

Well Trump actually said he changed his mind at the last minute.

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You sure about that? Donny thought it was time for a strike regency he ordered the jets and ships into place, but then suddenly decided it wasn't time. Trying to predict what Donny thinks is like trying to read tea leaves; an exercise in futility.

That’s a fantastic thing, one of his best qualities.

Oh, I get it now. You think twisting a conversation with irrelevant responses is demonstrating someone as being incorrect. Lmao!

No, I leave the liberals to do that.

Irrelevant to you not understanding what's going on,

But I do sadly understand

Are maybe what we won't do depending on Donny's feelings at any given moment.

Great, at least he doesn’t announce what he won’t do which is refreshing from the last administration.

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As someone in the anti-Trump camp, it's of secondary importance to me why Trump cancelled the strikes. The important thing is that he did cancel them. Whether someone sensible got in his ear (but where would he have found such a person in his inner circle?), whether he didn't want to be the first leader to spill blood in this conflict (which the US initiated) or whatever, the important thing is that no-one died as a result of what would have been an entirely disproportionate response to the downing of an unmanned drone.

Of course, the worrying thing is that the strikes could even have been considered in the first place.

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Trump inlamed all of this last year by walking away from the plan that was already in place and supported by US allies and had been working - ie no nuclear missiles.

But Trump hates anything that Obama had his hand in, so under the wise advice of those peace-loving buddies - Bolton, Pompeo, Pence et al - he pulled the pin and started the downward spiral which now has lead to this current situation.

Throw into this mix his peace-loving buddy buddies Saudi & Israel's distaste for Iran, and you have have the Theatre of the Absurd on full display.

And Trump tries to appear so "Giving" by saving lives with the warped logic that by not bombing because of the fire I fuelled I'm a hero - a saviour of lives.

This is all on Trumpy's plate - and of course his peace-loving buddies - blessed be thy names.

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Bsing...as always, de Donnie.

Guess he got overruled at least this time.

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I don’t think they need to remake it at all.

The vast majority disagree with your opinion too.

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You liberals fail to remember that Iran stated they're going over the 300kg limit of uranium production. What do you think they're going to do with the extra? Put it away for a rainy day? No, they're going to put it on a warhead and use it against Israel. Pity you failed to see this when your demon god Obama was in bed with them!

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I can imagine he was going around telling everyone how he was going to take out that missile battery, and only at the last minute did he finally listen, to realize that it was a mobile battery, not there any more, so what should they hit instead?

P.S. 'Cocked and loaded' seems to be a sexual expression which can be found in the urban dictionary.

In flintlock and percussion cap days it would have been 'loaded and cocked'. Trump used the expression 'locked and loaded' against North Korea in 2017.

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And then after his second term you think he’s just going to try and go to war? Still? I doubt it.

Does this make sense in a language other than English? After his second term, he'll still have war-making powers? Or do you mean his 3rd term, b/c, um sure, FDR!? Clarity, bass, is your friend.

Let's remember that his liberal predecessor was extremely trigger-happy when it came to killer drones and got the US involved in more armed conflicts than any US president in history.

Wonderful talking point but completely out of touch with reality:

President Donald Trump has revoked a policy set by his predecessor requiring US intelligence officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

During Mr Obama's eight years in office, 1,878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. Since Mr Trump was elected in 2016, there have been 2,243 drone strikes. The Republican president has also made some of the operations, the ones outside of war zones, more secretive. As a result, things have different today: under Mr Trump, there are more drone strikes - and less transparency.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

Or like most Trump supporters, do you think BBC is socialist?

I'd add that many principled progressives spent 8 years condemning Obama for this kind of nonsense. There is broad, bipartisan consensus for extra-judicial killings and shadow wars without congressional authorization.

Plus, other than being a hot mess with the attention span of chipmunk, Trump has been fairly decent so far. But he doesn't leave office until January 2021, and given that his mood swings like a teenage girl, I'll breathe easier only at that point.

Meanwhile, whether he signs the exact treaty Obama did, starts a ground war in Persia, or opts to nuke the country, we can rest assured that his base will support him. B/C that's what authoritarian followers do, cede all decisions to a daddy figure, even an unhinged illiterate.

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You liberals fail to remember that Iran stated they're going over the 300kg limit of uranium production.

America should get together with 5-6 other nations, and try to work with Iran to come up with an agreement where Iran drops any nuclear weapons programs, and is instead a member of the global community. Of course, they'd have to let in inspectors to ensure they weren't secretly creating any weapons programs, but if we could come up with a way to motivate them to want to work with the world, while at the same time dropping their weapons program, it would be a win-win.

Of course, it would take some amazing leadership. And I just don't see how such an agreement could ever come together. I mean, such an idea is just a fantasy... right?

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Everyone can see this is a story for show. If the US wanted to go to war with Iran, it already did during other administrations before Trump.

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Trump is anything but calm and rational. 

Give me a break, Toasted! What would you have said if he ordered the strike? No, don't tell us, lol.

Iran must prepare to defend itself from the Great Satan.

Now we have Toasted calling the U.S. the Great Satan. Tsk tsk.

klausdorth: Guess he got overruled at least this time.

Um...

White House national security adviser John Bolton, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and CIA Director Gina Haspel, along with the rest of Trump's team, favored a retaliatory strike, said a senior Trump administration official.

"There was complete unanimity among the president's advisers and DOD (Department of Defense) leadership on an appropriate response to Iran's activities. The president made the final decision," said the official.

Guess he didn't get overruled, but he he did overrule.

It was an unmanned drone the Iranians shot down. Trump asked his generals how many people would be killed if they went ahead with the strikes. He was told about 150. He said he didn't like it, that it wasn't proportionate.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are fortunate to have this man as POTUS.

Strangerland: Credit where it’s due. Restraint was the right thing to do in that moment, regardless of how it got to that point in the first place.

Credit to Strangerland for that rational comment.

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You liberals fail to remember that Iran stated they're going over the 300kg limit of uranium production. What do you think they're going to do with the extra? ... Pity you failed to see this when your demon god Obama was in bed with them!

And as you right wingers utterly fail to acknowledge, none of this confrontation would be happening if your President and his advisors hadn't made the unilateral and unjustifiable decision to walk away from a nuclear limitation agreement which all parties except yours said was working just fine.

What d you expect the Iranians to do if they're threatened by another country, especially one with a history of interference in and aggression towards their own, just roll over and take it?

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What short memories people have. This whole unnecessary situation has been created by Trump, Bolton and Pompeo. Things were going fine with the Iranian nuclear deal and now the US government seems intent on fomenting war...........yet again.

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now the US government seems intent on fomenting war...........yet again.

It was the Iranians that shot down a U.S. drone over international waters.

For those who don't like National Security Advisor John Bolton, who Trump proved is on a tight leash, you should watch this video in which Tucker Carlson rakes him over the coals -

Tucker: US came within minutes of war with Iran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c0jMsspE7Y

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A Tweet For Everything: Trump Claimed Obama Would Bomb Iran To Help Poll Numbers

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/donald-trump-obama-iran-tweets-091726240.html

Classic Trump projection. Bashed Obama for golfing, now he golfs twice as much. Bashed Obama for wanting to start a dialogue with Kim, now he's best friends with Kim. Accused Obama of starting a war with Iran to boost poll numbers and win elections, and we all know that's exactly what this is about. So, here's the deal, Trumpkins... if you agreed with Trump when he was bashing Obama, then you need to condemn him doing these things now. Get how that works??

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For those who don't like National Security Advisor John Bolton, who Trump proved is on a tight leash, you should watch this video in which Tucker Carlson rakes him over the coals -

Nope.

The problem of the fake news media is something Trump himself has spoken about.

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For those who don't like National Security Advisor John Bolton, who Trump proved is on a tight leash, you should watch this video in which Tucker Carlson rakes him over the coals -

Nope.

Keep those eyes and ears closed, Jimizo! Sheesh.

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Credit where it’s due. Restraint was the right thing to do in that moment, regardless of how it got to that point in the first place.

Agree....have no love for Trump for creating this damn mess in the first place but the stand down order was the right call to make. Give him credit for that.

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Obama might have had a functioning war room,

wtf are you even taling about, Obama didnt start any war in the middle east, guess what those troops in Iraq, Afganistan and Syria theyre still there under Trumps watch. Pulling out of the Iran agreement that was working caused all this stability that we have now were only one step away from all out war with Iran. Never saw Obama destabilize a region in such a short period of time. Now whats Trump going to do if Iran refuses to new talks, is he going to order the attacks and end 150 lives!?

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Bring on more sanctions!

Yes!  More sanctions!  Look how successful 60 years of sanctions on Cuba has been!  Maybe chuck in some tariffs as well...…..maybe hold on that one.  They sell oil.

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@Serrano

To find out what is going on with decision making in the Trump administration, John Bolton talking to a cross-eyed Fox News sock puppet doesn’t strike me as helpful.

Anyway, I’m glad this strike was called off. If Trump did call it off, good on him.

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@Haaa Nemui

https://worldbeyondwar.org/u-s-drone-strikes-gone-432-since-trump-took-office/

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers

Want more?

Not sure how to interpret your post, is it an argument of some sort?

I responded to a grievance about Trump's tweets (tweets or missiles), but instead you lead me to compare Trump vs Obama drones attack numbers.

But, I'll nibble...

If you read your own links, it says, accurate data on drone strikes is very difficult if not impossible to obtain. On top of this, it is impossible to fairly compare because, Trump has eliminated the drone war room that Obama had (with ONLY Obama making the final call on whether to proceed or not). Decision on whether to use drones under Trump is entirely up to the mission commanders, often on forward bases. Trump abolished the drone war room, yes the one you see on TV with Obama smirking.

On top of this is the fact, Obama is known as the president that pioneered covert, standoff drone strikes, even when advised that civillian casualties will likely result. This was an attempt to bring war theatre to civillian areas without having to send in troops, because it looks bad politically, not because it was necessary.

Trump's time on the other hand has been dominated by proxy conflicts, not state vs state like under Obama, and the commanders who ordered drone missions probably deemed it necessary to deal with proxy forces (terrorists). Completely different context.

Now, who funded these proxies? Surprise, surprise, Iran, and almost immediately after Obama released the $100 billion held when sanctions were on.

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@Chip Star

That's not calm and rational, it's erratic and emotional.

Not going to argue whether de-escalating is calm and rational or not, I'm just saying, I prefer a president that has the confidence tand nous o de-escalate when it's advantageous to de-escalate. In this case definitely.

If he was proposing more, deeper, broad sanctions, I'd say ramp it up.

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America should get together with 5-6 other nations, and try to work with Iran to come up with an agreement where Iran drops any nuclear weapons programs, and is instead a member of the global community. Of course, they'd have to let in inspectors to ensure they weren't secretly creating any weapons programs, but if we could come up with a way to motivate them to want to work with the world, while at the same time dropping their weapons program, it would be a win-win.

This was the starting position under Obama, AND Trump. But, for Iran it means they can't have a path to possessing NUKES, and is the sticking point.

IMHO, if the world had a bigger influence on China we would not be contemplating these issues today, because it was China that helped Pakistan, NK, and Iran to pave a path towards NUKES.

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We are criticizing Donny for getting us into this situation because he doesn't think things through and shoots his mouth and makes decisions with incomplete information only to do screeching 180s minutes later.

Doesn't look that way to me. If anything, from what you've posted, you're not happy with Trump no matter what he does. I bet if he had not demonstrated flexibility and agility, you'd probably say he doesn't have a backbone. Or, if he had present a bucket of gokd to you, yoy'd say it didn't came with sunglasses and that it's too bright for your eyes snd too heavy to carry.

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@Sh1mon M4sada - earlier posts which were subsequently deleted before I had a chance to respond were in fact incorrectly stating more strikes were ordered under Obama. I'm not sure if it was you who posted or not. You are correct that it is extremely difficult to gather accurate data on numbers... Something that has become even more difficult under Trump, but then you state " probably deemed it necessary to deal with proxy forces." Fact is the US under Trump is ordering more drone strikes, we don't have data on civilian casualties (as ordered by Trump) and like it or not his mission commanders have authority provided by Trump to give the ok. Trump has the ultimate responsibility.

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The Iranian leadership is in some ways correct in their criticism of the U.S. calling them 'the Great Satan' etc. Look at what tragedies have resulted from past U.S. military aggressions in places like, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. - The result of past presidents, the D.C. swamp, military hawks, etc.

Thankfully President Trump is an outsider whose first and foremost concern is the well being of the people. He would rather engage in mutually beneficial business deals than destructive war. Good for him. 'Blessed are the peacemakers.'

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Reporting what someone who holds as much power as President Trump says is a journalistic duty.

Making it seem that what someone so given to making false claims as Donald Trump is claims has any sort of credibility is a betrayal of journalistic responsibility.

Doing so when the consequences could easily be a massive war that reshapes the maps of an entire region, results in the shakeup of global power dynamics, and devastates economies on every continent but Antarctica is a betrayal of humanity.

Iran has (rightfully) made it clear that the first step anyone wanting to settle the situation diplomatically has to take is to respect the diplomatic agreement that was in place, and Trump has (in his usual style) made it clear that he is only interested in getting further appeasement.

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Does this make sense in a language other than English? After his second term, he'll still have war-making powers?

Never had it to begin with.

Or do you mean his 3rd term, b/c, um sure, FDR!? Clarity, bass, is your friend.

Huh?

Or like most Trump supporters, do you think BBC is socialist?

I sincerely doubt they push or advocate for capitalism.

I'd add that many principled progressives spent 8 years condemning Obama for this kind of nonsense. There is broad, bipartisan consensus for extra-judicial killings and shadow wars without congressional authorization.

Who are these imaginary people that you speak of! I didn’t hear or see anything on the TV networks.

Plus, other than being a hot mess with the attention span of chipmunk, Trump has been fairly decent so far. But he doesn't leave office until January 2024 and given that his mood swings like a teenage girl, I'll breathe easier only at that point.

Made a small mathematical error, I fixed it for you.

Meanwhile, whether he signs the exact treaty Obama did, starts a ground war in Persia, or opts to nuke the country, we can rest assured that his base will support him. B/C that's what authoritarian followers do, cede all decisions to a daddy figure, even an unhinged illiterate.

Lol, I really don’t understand, but ok.....I guess...

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Anyway, I’m glad this strike was called off. If Trump did call it off, good on him.

Trump outsmarted them all. Stable genius!

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Talk about projecting weakness.

Whenever I took on a bully they always backed down when the b/s ran out.

Two bullies fighting each other here but a clear propaganda victory for the Iranian dictatorship.

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He should punish Iran by giving them tons of cash like the last guy.

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Two bullies fighting each other here but a clear propaganda victory for the Iranian dictatorship.

Sure, let the Iranians claim a propaganda victory. Trump made the right decision and John McCain is rolling in his grave.

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He should punish Iran by giving them tons of cash like the last guy.

Obama didn't give "tons of cash". He returned Iranian owned money in return for signing the nuclear deal. A Trump war with Iran would cost much more than that.

The Iraq and Afghanistan wars have cost to date, $6 trillion and still spending. Both wats started by a republican president BTW.

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So the Trump nuclear deal withdraw has cost several of hundreds of millions of dollars with the downing of a $250 million drone, the movement of 1,000 additional troops and their equipment, moving of a carrier fleet, the addition of strike airplanes. The bill will start to add up on a daily basis.

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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again 'lil serrano?

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Obama didn't give "tons of cash"

It was $400 million in cash. Look it up. Cripes, even CNN admits that.

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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again 'lil serrano?

You call this a defeat? LOL. Nah, it's called avoiding a bloody war, Madverts. You do prefer avoiding bloody wars, right?

And what's up with the 'lil? Your attempts at put-downs are pathetic.

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@Haaa Nemui

Trump has the ultimate responsibility.

I'm not aware of any precedence in military justice, civil, or criminal where a sitting president is held responsible for actions carried out by others. In fact, military justice is very specific in training personel to be accountable for their actions.

If you want to look at it from an ethics point of view, and compare Obama's direct 'intervetion' AND 'oversight' of an operations deemed 'troubling' enough to make even harden commanders uncomfortable vs Trump's orders to achieve objectives BUT execution, planning, and compliance to field commanders, I'd pick Trump as the more ethical path any day. He's giving the commanders a choice. Obama is saying, I'll do it, regardless of ethical issues.

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The $400 million was part of $1.7 billion paid by America to Iran.

That money purportedly was partial payment of an outstanding claim by Iran for U.S. military equipment that was never delivered. Soon after, $1.3 billion in cash followed.

Contrary to Trump's tweet, this $1.7 billion transaction was investigated by Congress. 

http://www.journalgazette.net/news/fact-check/20180301/was-obamas-17-billion-cash-deal-with-iran-prohibited-by-us-law

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It was $400 million in cash. Look it up.

yep and Trump just passed that in 2 weeks , with a downed drone and moving substantial military resources to the region, and war hasnt even started yet. Lets not forget the $6Trillion bill for Republican started wars. And people still want to call Obama a warmonger. LOL

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Toasted HereticToday 06:50 am JST

Trump is anything but calm and rational. He is skittish and bullying. He welches on deals and fêtes dictators.

Iran must prepare to defend itself from the Great Satan.

As opposed to Obama who once he won the Nobel Peace Prize drops one hundred thousand bombs, unlike past Democrat and Republican Presidents who started or supported one war after another.

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 Lets not forget the $6Trillion bill for Republican started wars

More specifically neo-con/neo-lib Deep State started wars. Remember, Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war. And if you wanna go back a little more, don't forget which party had their presidents in the White House during the Vietnam escalation, which cost a few trillion not to mention the hundreds of thousands of lives.

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The $400 million was money paid by Iran for American weapons which were never delivered. The deal predates the 1979 revolution. Both sides agreed to amount of interest earned on that money was a further $1.4 billion. As of 1999 the $400 million remained in the account. 25 years is a long time for interest to build up the balance.

The lifting of the sanctions also freed up other Iranian money. Some $150 billion but probably much less. Nader Habibi, professor of economics of the Middle East at Brandeis University, believes the actual total is between $25 billion and $50 billion.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/apr/27/donald-trump/donald-trump-iran-150-billion-and-18-billion-c/

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Ok so does Iran us 200 million for our drone now? Seeing as liberals are all tied up over who owes who what.

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The owe us for our property they destroyed. Pay up.

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More specifically neo-con/neo-lib Deep State started wars. Remember, Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war. And if you wanna go back a little more, don't forget which party had their presidents in the White House during the Vietnam escalation, which cost a few trillion not to mention the hundreds of thousands of lives.

The Vietnam era involved about five presidents. Starting with President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

The Vietnam War Draft was the one Trump managed to avoid, yes?

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Funny to watch the leftists, ranging from the conga line of unhinged blood thirsty liberal talking heads on cable panel shows all the way down to minor cut and paste blog sites like this, deriding/trashing President Trump for deciding NOT to retaliate against Iran. Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman must be spinning in their graves over this generation of NeoLibs who believe everything the U.S. intelligence community tells them and feverishly advocate going to war at the drop of an unmanned drone.

The best image was watching Pelosi and Schumer outside the White House immediately after their meeting with the President -- who had just told them America was in preparing to attack Iran -- high fiving each other like they had just won the Super Bowl. I'm sure they went to sleep last night thinking the universe had corrected itself -- again.

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Seeing as liberals are all tied up over who owes who what.

It was

Serrano who raised the money topic.

"He should punish Iran by giving them tons of cash like the last guy."

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“Trump stepped back from the brink of a dangerous escalation in the standoff -- but raised a flurry of immediate questions about his performance as commander-in-chief.”

so CNN says his performance is unsatisfactory because he didn’t bomb them. Yeah ok then.

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And yes the last guy, regardless of whether we “owed it” them or not, irresponsibly gave them 150 billion dollars to purchase weapons and terrorize the world.

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And yes the last guy, regardless of whether we “owed it” them or not, irresponsibly gave them 150 billion dollars to purchase weapons and terrorize the world.

Of course a Trumpophile is okay with stiffing others and inflating numbers.

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I'm not aware of any precedence in military justice, civil, or criminal where a sitting president is held responsible for actions carried out by others

Does Trump give them the authority? Yes they make their own decisions but it is Trump who gives them the authority to do so.

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Trump's orders to achieve objectives BUT execution, planning, and compliance to field commanders, I'd pick Trump as the more ethical path any day. 

Or in other words... I don't care how you do it, just do it.

Yeah that's actually extremely concerning.

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Get ready for another Donny meltdown:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-hosts-donald-trump-iran-story-073233831.html

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The president would have been fully briefed by the generals as to, if you hit target A, here are the dangers, or here is the possible collateral damage. So the idea that the president, ten minutes before the actual go, and again, The New York Times is reporting that the ships were in place, that the war planes were in the air, that ten minutes before you’re learning for the first time that there were going to be 150 casualties, seems pretty unlikely and certainly not the way it’s been done in the past.

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Get ready for another Donny meltdown:

'Fox News Hosts Doubt Trump's Iran Strike Story: 'Doesn't Make Sense'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-hosts-donald-trump-iran-story-073233831.html

LOL!

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Pulling out of the Iran agreement that was working caused all this stability that we have now were only one step away from all out war with Iran.

Keep telling yourself that. That’s the biggest crock of stinking manure the Europeans and the media is trying to get you to shove down your gullet.

The whole neighborhood will race to go nuclear. This deal most likely will accelerate nuclear proliferation. Because if regional powers feel threatened by the possibility of Iran getting a weapon and the penalty for producing nuclear weapons decreases, then why wouldn’t they?

**Tehran gets to keep its vast nuclear infrastructure and its missile program.**  And the promises from Iran only confirm the obvious: that the regime definitely has nuclear-weapons ambitions. After all, why have a massive ballistic-missile program and secret military nuclear facilities if the plan isn’t to build nuclear weapons?

Sanctions relief will make the region far less safe. The sanctions relief and the renewed ability to sell more oil on the open market could wind up bringing $300-400 billion into the Iranian economy, bolstering the Iranian government. Essentially, this means the deal will pay for undermining U.S. policy and interests throughout the region.

The deal is temporary, by design. Even the White House doesn’t claim it will permanently keep Iran from getting a bomb. So, what’s the point?

Never saw Obama destabilize a region in such a short period of time.

Why would he? He unfurled a White flag always, that’s what appeasers do.

Now whats Trump going to do if Iran refuses to new talks, is he going to order the attacks and end 150 lives!?

Probably not, if he’s not going to kill 150 Iranians over a downed drone, then he would have no reason to bomb them unless they attack us first again and kill some of our people.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-hosts-donald-trump-iran-story-073233831.html

Ahhh, Chris Wallace and Shep Smith, the two Trump hating Hillary supporters, not even in the least a bit surprised. ROFL!

No biggie.

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Drooling war hawks: Here it comes!

Trump: Not so fast!

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Well, I see not much has changed with with the right and left throwing Jabs back and forth here on JT.

Nice break for about six months or so.

Trump did the right thing. But that little voice in the back of my head in Sahara Sanders voice keeps saying "White house leaks won't be tolerated". And Trump on the stump about being tight lipped about future strikes should he be elected President. Do you remember that? Seems we know allot publicly about this predawn strike that was to take place. Spin spin spin. If 150 lives were sparred. I think Mr. Trump made the right call. Do I support my POTUS? Yes on some issues No on others. However, The facts remains.

Iran -One drone. Costly yes.

USA 0- I like 0 here. We have many drones and it is only money. Not blood.

And if any of you think Trump is scared to act or act with force . Remember MOAB?

I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz4svY-9Jt8

Nice to be back. Hope everyone is well.

Winter is ....I mean November is coming.

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Not going to argue whether de-escalating is calm and rational or not, I'm just saying, I prefer a president that has the confidence tand nous o de-escalate when it's advantageous to de-escalate. In this case definitely.

Especially given that his entire national security team was apparently in favor of a strike.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/21/politics/donald-trump-iran-decision-details/index.html

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A manufactured crisis by the Great Orange Idiot - foreign policy conducted like some reality TV show...

We wouldn't be here if Donnie hadn't pulled out of the Iran Nuclear deal - which had the support of all our European allies and kept Iran from making weapons grade material. Donnie playing by mafia rules - just renege on the deal...

Then we have this ridiculous piece of theater today where he says he only received info on the casualty estimates 30 minutes before the attack - add that fib to his list of over 10K lies. Anyone who has been in the military knows that casualty and damage estimates are a key part of any Course of Action presentation.

There's only one reason Donnie changed his mind - he received a call from Moscow telling him to call it off....and like he has done for over two years now, he bowed and said "Yes Master"...

https://abcnews.go.com/International/putin-warns-us-iran-annual-call-show/story?id=63833096

Nothing like having a Russian asset in the White House....

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SerranoToday  04:51 pm JST

 

More specifically neo-con/neo-lib Deep State started wars. Remember, Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war. And if you wanna go back a little more, don't forget which party had their presidents in the White House during the Vietnam escalation, which cost a few trillion not to mention the hundreds of thousands of lives.

serrano cheered on the Iraq war before, after and until the 20th January 2009 on Japan Today. Now he supports Trump and appeases dictators like fatty in NK.

Personal responsibility is an oxymoron to Republicans.

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Trump has stated on ABC TV he won't be going to war against Iran.

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Trump has stated on ABC TV he won't be going to war against Iran.

He won’t as long as the Iranians don’t start killing Americans, then it’ll be a different story.

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He won’t as long as the Iranians don’t start killing Americans, then it’ll be a different story.

When was the last time Iranians killed Americans or even attacked America, Trump just like his NK tune is now whistling a very different song than even a few weeks ago.

Trump has finally realised how impossible it would be for America to go to war with Iran. A vast country with very advanced missile systems bunked deep in the mountains.

Trump is saying the downing of the drone was an accidental hit.

Trump reaches for those bone spars once again.

Iran will be backed by both Russia and China in any major conflict with America.

No support for a Trump war from the Congress or the UN.

Good at least bone spurs isn't going to war even if Bolton is left tearing out his moustache and Pompeo isn't leading the charge.

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When was the last time Iranians killed Americans or even attacked America,

Not that long ago.

The U.S. military has revealed it believes Iran has helped kill 608 U.S. troops in Iraq since 2003, according to newly revealed and formerly-classified numbers. 

"In Iraq, I can announce today, based on declassified U.S. military reports, that Iran is responsible for the deaths of at least 608 American service members," Brian Hook, U.S. Special Representative for Iran, said during a State Department briefing Tuesday. 

“This accounts for 17 percent of all deaths of U.S. personnel in Iraq from 2003 to 2011. This death toll is in addition to the many thousands of Iraqis killed by the IRGC’s proxies.” Since 2003, more than 4,400 U.S. service members have been killed in Iraq.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/us-military-blames-iran-for-deaths-of-608-american-troops-during-iraq-war

Trump just like his NK tune is now whistling a very different song than even a few weeks ago.

Nothing wrong with that, he should and I’m glad he did.

Trump has finally realised how impossible it would be for America to go to war with Iran.

No, he realized it would be a dumb and unwise thing to kill people over an unmanned vehicle, he didn’t and the hawks wanted it and good on the President for thinking it through.

A vast country with very advanced missile systems bunked deep in the mountains.

Nukes can solve that problem as well as bunker busters and an entire armada of corrosive weaponry we have where we could incinerate the place, wouldn’t be easy, but would not be impossible.

Iran will be backed by both Russia and China in any major conflict with America.

We will be backed by Israel and the Saudis

No support for a Trump war from the Congress or the UN.

Congress can milk a rubber duck. Clinton felt the same when he bombed Kosovo.

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