More Russian military police arrive in Syria under peace deal with Turkey

More Russian military police arrive in Syria under peace deal with Turkey

The free, for-profit press must be allowed to present info from a full array of perspectives, assuming they don't libel or slander or push fake news stories. The headline to this article calling the Russians 'police' (in the sense that the policemen are our friends) and the use of the word 'peace' shows Thomson Reuters is trying to put a positive spin on Russia's presence. On that note, it's been more than four years since Russia sent its military to Syria. Didn't Russians and others in the global alt right say that war would be over shortly after Russia's 'invitation'? #butyouguys #backatcha

ptownend:

The free, for-profit press must be allowed to present info from a full array of perspectives, assuming they don't libel or slander or push fake news stories.

Err.... that means you want to put the brakes on the likes of CNN, ABC, BBC, NYT, Daily Beast, Huffpost, MSNBC, and all the other fake news providers that our regular Trump haters are parrotting here?

The headline to this article calling the Russians 'police' (in the sense that the policemen are our friends) and the use of the word 'peace' shows Thomson Reuters is trying to put a positive spin on Russia's presence.

They are police, which does not mean they need to be YOUR friends (since you have pushing your pathological Russiaphobia here for months, I doubt many will).

And yes, the deal between Turkey, Syria, Russia, and the Americans (don´t be so naive to think they were not involved) will finally bring peace to the area.

On that note, it's been more than four years since Russia sent its military to Syria.

Russia has had ties with Syria much longer than that.

Didn't Russians and others in the global alt right

LOL, Russia is the "global alt right" now? What does that even mean?

say that war would be over shortly after Russia's 'invitation'? #butyouguys #backatcha

They could have cleaned out ISIS much sooner, if it was not for Obama/Clintons reckless and stupid support for the jihadis. Lots of blood spilled unnecessary. Finally, there is now some belated sanity in the White House. The warmongering swamp, of course, is seething.

The new 2020 Repub election chant...

Trump/Pence 2020 - Russia wins, the US loses...

I would have never thought we would see a US President abandon an ally that stood with us on the battlefield and turn them over to the Russians...

It's a huge act of cowardice and loss - and the humiliation rests right on the shoulders of the the Great Orange Appeaser...

Trump will go down in history for many things, but he'll be best known as America's Neville Chamberlain....

@BurningBush,

@WilliB,

Exactly right.

The U.S. moves out and Russia moves in. A disgraceful handover.

The U.S. looks like a second rate power on the way down while Russia looks like a power on the way up. All because of poor U.S. leadership.

@lincolnman

I would have never thought we would see a US President abandon an ally that stood with us

You forgot about South Vietnam. In the more nearest past the U.S. did the same to the Iraqi Kurds a couple of years ago.

turn them over to the Russians...

And then what? Russians won't send them to Siberian gulags. The Kurds just will have to forget about a Greater Kurdistan, they'll live as autonomous region of Syria.

@stormcrow

The U.S. moves out and Russia moves in. A disgraceful handover.

Interesting to note that some posters profusely bemoan the loss of U.S. prestige, but completely ignore the fact that the shooting in the region will stop and many human lives will be saved. Very telling priority list.

I would have never thought we would see a US President abandon an ally that stood with us

You forgot about South Vietnam. In the more nearest past the U.S. did the same to the Iraqi Kurds a couple of years ago.

Wrong. The US had a signed Peace Treaty with North Vietnam and abided by the provisions. The nV broke that Treaty. Trump had a phone call with Erdogan and made a split-second decision to abandon the Kurds.

turn them over to the Russians...

And then what? Russians won't send them to Siberian gulags. The Kurds just will have to forget about a Greater Kurdistan, they'll live as autonomous region of Syria.

And then what? Ask the Georgians and Ukrainians...

The U.S. moves out and Russia moves in. A disgraceful handover.

Interesting to note that some posters profusely bemoan the loss of U.S. prestige, but completely ignore the fact that the shooting in the region will stop and many human lives will be saved. Very telling priority list.

The shooting will continue and intensify - and a genocide of the Kurds will occur. That's what Erdogan wants and Putin is helping him.

@Asakaze

But, Asakaze, things had calmed down and were settling down quite nicely in the north-eastern area of Syria. ISIS was gone or on the run and the violence had stopped. Then one day the U.S. military runs on a Trump's sudden and goofy order, and there's a humanitarian crisis. The military didn't even know where to go. As a result, people are being killed or displaced as a result of Trump's mistake.

Something should've been done to help the Kurds and to prevent this humanitarian crisis from happening. The U.S. should've at least set up camps to help the displaced Kurds, but this is not in Trump's cards. Very cruel.

To say that it's U.S. prestige is missing the point and has little to do with it. It has more to do with standing up for basic human rights, or it should be that way. 2020 can't come soon enough.

@lincolnman

Wrong. The US had a signed Peace Treaty with North Vietnam and abided by the provisions. The nV broke that Treaty

And when NV broke the treaty the U.S. did nothing. Very high-principled approach indeed. Ever heard about the Hmong people (tribe) from Vietnam and Laos, who just like Kurds were stupid enough to fight for the U.S.?

And then what? Ask the Georgians and Ukrainians...

And? President of Georgia asks Russian tourists to return, because without them the Georgian economy is sinking. The populace of Crimea is more then happy with the choice they made in 2014, particularly when look at the situation at the Donetsk / Lugansk region, where Ukrainian nazis tried to pull the same trick Erdogan now tried to do with Kurds. What's your point?

That's what Erdogan wants and Putin is helping him

Sure Erdogan wants to crush Kurds, but it does not mean Putin is helping him. Otherwise Russians won't interfere to stop the Turkish advance.

@stormcrow

Something should've been done to help the Kurds and to prevent this humanitarian crisis

You have a valid point here. Sure Kurds deserve human treatment and their basic rights must be guaranteed. Iraqi Kurds are a part of Iraq now, Syrian Kurds should be a part of Syria. What they are offered now by Syrian government and Russians is the best deal the can get. The problem with the Syrian Kurds was that they considered themselves the smartest, they tried to play Americans against Syrians, Russians against Turks. It turned out they are not the most clever.

It has more to do with standing up for basic human rights, or it should be that way

You know why the U.S. is actually losing its prestige and moral high ground? Not because of big bad Trump, but because the U.S. long before him used the human rights as pretext to intervene when they considered it expedient, and ignored even massive human right violations when it was profitable. Never heard about U.S. actions against, let's say, massacres of Serbs by Croats or Kosovo Albanians, mass shellings of Donetsk by Ukrainian military. Utmost duplicity is the main threat to the U.S. moral standing, not Trump.

BB "The US state department has designated the Kurdish YPG to be a terrorist group."

Turkey, yes, but not the US.

@Asakaze

Well, in regard to the 1st paragraph as directed towards me, it's too bad that the U.S. was there at all. It would have been better had the U.S. military never been there and to leave the way they did. Disgraceful. As for the way the Kurdish men, women and children were chased out of there looked almost like sport for the Turks and Russians, which was also disgraceful. Regardless of how you feel about the Kurds, they fought bravely against ISIS and over 10,000 died in the struggle. They should not have been treated like that.

Regarding your 2nd paragraph towards me, it seemed a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. With Russia's historical track record, do you really believe you have the moral high ground? When Jimmy Carter was president back in the 70s, not a single shot was fired by the U.S. military at any opponent foreign or domestic. Can you say the same for any of the Russian leaders? Anyway, it would be nice to see a flock of Jimmy Carter-like leaders around the world at the same time who respect their neighbors' borders and also respect human rights everywhere. Putin & Trump are quite similar in a lot of ugly ways except Putin is more intelligent and manipulative than Trump.

lincolnman: Trump/Pence 2020 - Russia wins, the US loses...

Heh, you've really got Trump on the brain, dontcha, lincolnman?

If Trump colluded with the Russians to help him get elected, wouldn't the Democrat controlled House have already voted to impeach him? What gives?

While Trump looks like a loser

Only in the minds of anti-Trumpers. Our troops are happy they are out of Syria, that I can tell you.

Only in the minds of anti-Trumpers

Only pretty much every person on the planet. Gotcha.

Serrano, didn't you read that those troops were not welcome in Iraq and are being sent back into Syria to protect the eastern oilfields? The other three thousand are off to bolster Saudi Arabia.

Updates on US troop movements in Syria.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/troops-armoured-vehicles-syria-oil-fields-esper-191026071626333.html

Wrong. The US had a signed Peace Treaty with North Vietnam and abided by the provisions. The nV broke that Treaty

And when NV broke the treaty the U.S. did nothing. Very high-principled approach indeed. Ever heard about the Hmong people (tribe) from Vietnam and Laos, who just like Kurds were stupid enough to fight for the U.S.?

Trump's abandonment was way worse...he didn't even consult his State or Defense Depts....

And then what? Ask the Georgians and Ukrainians...

And? President of Georgia asks Russian tourists to return, because without them the Georgian economy is sinking. The populace of Crimea is more then happy with the choice they made in 2014, particularly when look at the situation at the Donetsk / Lugansk region, where Ukrainian nazis tried to pull the same trick Erdogan now tried to do with Kurds. What's your point?

My point is I don't regurgitate Kremlin scripted disinformation like some posters do...wonder of they're getting paid for it?

That's what Erdogan wants and Putin is helping him

Sure Erdogan wants to crush Kurds, but it does not mean Putin is helping him. Otherwise Russians won't interfere to stop the Turkish advance.

There's a signed an agreement - maybe Putin intends to break his promise also just like Trump - they do think quite similarly...

lincolnman: Trump/Pence 2020 - Russia wins, the US loses...

Heh, you've really got Trump on the brain, dontcha, lincolnman?

Are you kidding - if he was on my brain I'd have to rinse it with chlorine to get out all the stench...

If Trump colluded with the Russians to help him get elected, wouldn't the Democrat controlled House have already voted to impeach him? What gives?

Gee, I don't know - maybe its similar to the person that said three years ago he'd build a wall and Mexico will pay for it - mark his words... How's that going?

While Trump looks like a loser

Only in the minds of anti-Trumpers. Our troops are happy they are out of Syria, that I can tell you.

Sure, that he can tell us...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/top-special-ops-marine-who-fought-kurds-blasts-trump-move-n1065901

Trumpers - living in the alt-reality world of Orangelandia....

@stormcrow

it's too bad that the U.S. was there at all. It would have been better had the U.S. military never been there

Absolutely agree. The U.S. military should have never been in Syria, as well as Iraq, because the Daesh crisis is a collateral result of the disintegration of the Iraqi state that began in 2003.

women and children were chased out of there looked almost like sport for the Turks and Russians

You are right for the Turks and particularly their allies, the so-called "Free Syria forces", but I never heard about the Russians chasing out women and children. Can you provide facts?

When Jimmy Carter was president back in the 70s, not a single shot was fired by the U.S. military at any opponent foreign or domestic. Can you say the same for any of the Russian leaders?

All right, tell me about firefights the Soviet military had back in 70s. Any?

@lincolnman

Trump's abandonment was way worse...he didn't even consult his State or Defense Depts....

My points was not about which abandonment was better or worse, my point is that it is not the first occurance in the modern U.S. history.

My point is I don't regurgitate Kremlin scripted disinformation like some posters do...wonder of they're getting paid for it?

Yawn. The same old trick: when out of logical arguments, call your opponent a Kremlin agent. The chronic inability of some posters to comprehend a simple fact that many people have point of view different from VOA-scripted disinformation is bewildering.

There's a signed an agreement - maybe Putin intends to break his promise also just like Trump - they do think quite similarly...

"May be"??? Very hard facts-based opinion!!