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An isolated Trump faces looming impeachment threat

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By Richard Cowan and Joseph Ax

With only days left in his presidency, Donald Trump - silenced by Twitter and shunned by a growing number of Republican officials - faces a renewed drive by Democrats to remove him from office after he incited his supporters to storm the U.S. Capitol.

Democratic members of the House of Representatives will introduce formal articles of impeachment on Monday, Representative Ted Lieu said on Twitter. The California Democrat, who helped draft the charges, said the articles had drawn 180 co-sponsors as of Saturday afternoon.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the top congressional Democrat, has threatened to impeach Trump for a historic second time unless he resigned "immediately," a move the pugnacious president is unlikely to consider.

Pelosi has also asked members to draft legislation aimed at invoking the U.S. Constitution's 25th Amendment, which allows the removal of a president unable to fulfill the duties of the office.

Trump "has done something so serious -- that there should be prosecution against him," Pelosi told CBS' "60 Minutes" according to an early excerpt of the interview.

The intensifying effort to oust Trump from the White House has drawn scattered support from Republicans, whose party has been splintered by the president's actions. Democrats have pressed Vice President Mike Pence to consider the 25th Amendment, but a Pence adviser has said he opposes the idea.

The odds that Trump will actually be removed before Jan 20, when President-elect Joe Biden is sworn in, remain long. Any impeachment in the House would trigger a trial in the Republican-controlled Senate, which is scheduled to be in recess until Jan 19 and has already acquitted Trump once before.

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell sent a memo to his fellow Republican senators suggesting a trial would not begin until Trump was out of office, a source familiar with the document said. A conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds vote.

Democrats will take control of the Senate later this month, after Georgia certifies two runoff elections won by Democratic challengers.

Twitter permanently cut off Trump's personal account and access to his nearly 90 million followers late on Friday, citing the risk of further incitement of violence, three days after Trump exhorted thousands of supporters to march on the Capitol as Congress met to certify Biden's Nov 3 election victory.

The resulting assault, viewed with shock around the world, left a police officer and four others dead in its wake, as rioters breached the Capitol and forced lawmakers into hiding for their own safety.

A Florida man who was photographed smiling and waving as he carried Pelosi's lectern from the House chambers amid the chaos was arrested by federal law enforcement late Friday.

Authorities also arrested a man seen in widely shared photographs wearing a horned fur hat and carrying a spear inside the Capitol. Dozens of others face federal and state charges.

Twitter's decision stifled one of Trump's most potent tools. His frequent posts helped propel his 2016 presidential campaign, since which he has used the site to fire up his base and attack his political opponents from both parties.

Trump later used the official @POTUS government account to lash out at Twitter, vowing that the 75 million "great patriots" who voted for him "will not be SILENCED!" He said he was considering building his own social media platform.

Twitter quickly deleted those posts and soon after suspended the Trump campaign account as well.

The suspension came a day after a subdued Trump denounced Wednesday's violence in a video in which he also vowed to ensure a smooth transition of power.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted Thursday and Friday found 57% of Americans want Trump to be removed immediately from office following the violence.

A small but growing number of Republicans have joined calls for Trump to step down, and several high-ranking administration officials resigned in protest.

Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said Friday that Trump should resign immediately and suggested she would consider leaving the party altogether if Republicans cannot separate themselves from him.

"I want him out. He has caused enough damage," she told the Anchorage Daily News.

Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska, a frequent Trump critic, told CBS News he would "definitely consider" impeachment because the president "disregarded his oath of office."

Trump allies, including Senator Lindsey Graham and House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy, however, urged Democrats to shelve any impeachment effort in the name of unity.

"Impeaching President Donald Trump with 12 days remaining in his presidency would only serve to further divide the country," said White House spokesman Judd Deere.

A copy of draft articles of impeachment circulating among members of Congress charged Trump with "inciting violence against the government of the United States" in a bid to overturn his loss to Biden.

The House impeached Trump in December 2019 for pressuring the Ukrainian president to investigate Biden, but the Senate acquitted him in February 2020. Only two other presidents have been impeached, and none has been impeached twice.

Trump spent months falsely claiming the election was stolen from him due to widespread fraud. Dozens of courts across the country have thrown out lawsuits seeking to challenging the results, and election officials in both parties have said there is no evidence to support his allegations.

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Impeach and ban him from running again. Why do the republicans always let him get away with breaking the law, time to do the right thing then the country can move on and heal.

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watch now as Trump throws anyone and everyone under the bus to save his own cowardly skin...

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I agree with impeachment and invoking the 25th amendment. And he should also be banned from ever running for office again-

Fourteenth Amendment Section 3

No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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Dems playing dirty again. It won’t end well.

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Had the GOP voted for impeachment in Feb 2020 maybe a Pence WH would have handled the COVID-19 crisis differently (or not?). He could have also been an idiot but even an idiot is not a Trump-level malicious idiot. Thus would have likely kept the senate control after the election.

Doesn't say a lot about the USA that the senate change is 50-50 now. Points to the level of broadcast standards, lying, and gerrymandering that is illegal in other countries.

How anyone can be Republican should be classified in medical terms. Brainwashing? a Republican Syndrome? Crazytown.

USA could have been so much farther ahead without such a ball and chain holding them back, way back. Ironically the issues people are fighting for would have been solved without the Repubs keeping them down but they can't see that. Some kind of think-blindness as well.

Anyway USA, get well soon. Put your crazy uncles in nursing homes, go back to school, make fair laws, and please stop lying to yourselves. Good luck

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Without Twitter, he won't have a clue how to communicate with anyone. That will be a good thing. Truly the biggest LOSER ever in countless ways.

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Trump and his Republicans in his sedition caucus, including Ted Cruz and Hawley, continue to present the greatest danger the US has seen in modern history.

Impeach Trump now before he does further damage, vote out his Republican enablers.

Hopefully the Trump admin will allow security to be prepared for Jan 20, a day Trump backers could once again violently attack and do even more damage this time.

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Trump will go down in history as the worst President ever. Future generations will learn about him in history as a warning from the past.

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he won't have a clue how to communicate with anyone

There are many far right platforms Trump and his fellow insurrectionists can use, the same ones they used to organize their failed, deadly coup attempt.

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Simian LaneToday  06:55 am JST

Dems playing dirty again. It won’t end well.

It's lying like this that explains the downfall of the USA. Or you are a international player trying to further push them down.

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The senate under the enabling, spineless republicans won’t do anything with articles of impeachment. Losers to the very end.

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"Impeaching President Donald Trump with 12 days remaining in his presidency would only serve to further divide the country," said White House spokesman Judd Deere.

Insurrection without punishment poses further threat and divide to the nation.

16 ( +21 / -5 )

Dems playing dirty again. It won’t end well.

After the events of January 6th 2021, it really blows my mind that people can write stuff like this.

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Impeach him, Arrest him. Imprison him (and his idiot family and grifters).

Show his moronic armed henchmen the full power of law enforcement under American democracy.

“You want law and order, sweet cheeks? You got it. Show up armed to DC. I triple-dog dare you.”

Enough.

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Trump later used the official @POTUS government account to lash out at Twitter, vowing that the 75 million "great patriots" who voted for him "will not be SILENCED!" He said he was considering building his own social media platform.

China's Weibo welcomes his quick registration! Of course, they value free-speech (tailored exclusively for him :P)

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A small but growing number of Republicans have joined calls for Trump to step down, and several high-ranking administration officials resigned in protest.

Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said Friday that Trump should resign immediately and suggested she would consider leaving the party altogether if Republicans cannot separate themselves from him.

"I want him out. He has caused enough damage," she told the Anchorage Daily News.

Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska, a frequent Trump critic, told CBS News he would "definitely consider" impeachment because the president "disregarded his oath of office."

I read things like this and I wonder, do certain people keep supporting Trump and the Republicans for no other reason that they hate liberals and Democrats? Some of these people seem keen on the Republicans splitting, with either the RINOs getting kicked out or Trump leaving and founding a third party. They might want to ask themselves - if the Republican Party does go down such a path and the conservative vote gets split, who's really going to benefit?

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What is it with the Republican party and 'now isn't the time' excuses?

Mass murder with a gun? 'Thoughts and prayers, and now isn't the time to debate gun control.'

Armed insurrection at the Capitol? 'Now isn't the time to impeach.'

Yet Mitch, Lindsay, et. al. couldn't even wait for RBG to be properly buried before champing at the bit to get ACB nominated and on the bench.

The Republican party needs to change their logo. Instead of an elephant, they should be represented by a two-faced chicken.

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David VarnesToday  08:04 am JST

What is it with the Republican party and 'now isn't the time' excuses?

It's never the right time to do something if it doesn't further their agenda.

"Impeaching President Donald Trump with 12 days remaining in his presidency would only serve to further divide the country," said White House spokesman Judd Deere.

Notice that this statement skirts around the issue of whether Trump is guilty or innocent of the charges.

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Some of these people seem keen on the Republicans splitting, with either the RINOs getting kicked out or Trump leaving and founding a third party. They might want to ask themselves - if the Republican Party does go down such a path and the conservative vote gets split, who's really going to benefit?

I'm one who looks forward to it, and here's why.

In the short term (4-8 years), the Democrats would benefit, as the Republican party eats itself alive. The Trumpians cannot garner enough support on their own to support their vitriol, and for the first election cycle the moderate Repubs would get cut up too.

That comes to the next election cycle, as 'practical' Repubs would then join the Democrats, creating a 'mega-party' that would able to easily handle anything. This would also pull the Democrats towards the center after the first cycle encouraging the further left elements of the Democrats to take advantage of the lapse of a true opponent to push their agenda. While I'm center-left, I'm nowhere near on the level of some of the further left Democrats.

The next cycle? Well, the pendulum would start to swing. The Trumpians would be powerless, and then you'd see a 'far left' split from the Democrats, leaving a centrist party. Ideally (although not happening in America's first-past-the-post election system) you'd have 4 factions. The Bernies, the center-left Dems, the center-right Repubs, and the far-right Trumpians. This would encourage and allow for compromise and true listening and unity, as no one party could truly command power the way it works right now.

That would, in the end, benefit the American people.

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"Impeaching President Donald Trump with 12 days remaining in his presidency would only serve to further divide the country," said White House spokesman Judd Deere.

Impeachment would further divide? How can we be further divided!? Impeach this guy so he can't run for office again in our democracy. We need to put him and his QAnon in a frigging box and lock it up.

No, if he hasn't resigned by Monday, the House needs to move to impeach. Regardless of whether a trial can be held or concluded in the Senate before his last day in office.

Congress CANNOT ALLOW a direct physical & violent attack on a co-equal branch of government by the executive to go unanswered.

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Dems playing dirty again. It won’t end well.

The democrats????... Didn't you see what Trump did in the senate ???!!!!...

Trump is a domestic terrorist and he deserves the 25th amendment and a must be stopped from any political activity in the future !!..

Why is it that Trump's fanaticism is directly proportional to ignorance ???...

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Trump miscalculated. He thought people around him are his friends.

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Trump is a domestic terrorist

Cut the drama.

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Insurrection without punishment poses further threat and divide to the nation.

Maybe not. Read what Thomas Jefferson had to say about periodic rebellions:

"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.1 Unsuccesful rebellions indeed generally establish the incroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government.

The challenge for the future will be for people to listen to the grievances that drove both Antifa/BLM and the Trump supporters to engage in civil unrest/rioting/insurrection, whatever you wish to call it. That people feel as if they are both so helpless and have so little to lose that they engage in violent rebellion is telling everyone something isn't right. Punishment might be appropriate in some instances but if the nation does not listen to the grievances and make a genuine effort to reconcile and fix what is wrong, punishment alone will solve nothing. It will in fact make things much worse as it hardens people in their ideological bunkers.

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David VarnesToday  08:19 am JST

Some of these people seem keen on the Republicans splitting, with either the RINOs getting kicked out or Trump leaving and founding a third party. They might want to ask themselves - if the Republican Party does go down such a path and the conservative vote gets split, who's really going to benefit?

I'm one who looks forward to it, and here's why.

....

This would encourage and allow for compromise and true listening and unity, as no one party could truly command power the way it works right now.

Sounds good to me too. In a system where you can have different groups controlling the White House, the Senate and the House compromise is essential to get anything done unless one party gets an overwhelming mandate to pursue its agenda, i.e. winning the presidency and congressional supermajorities.

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I wonder if Lindsey Graham is reflecting much these says on what he said in 2016:

“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.”

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When Susan Collins refused to convict Trump because she thought he had "learned a pretty big lesson" she was right, but also wrong! Trump's immediate take-away was a different big lesson than she had imagined, i.e., that as a royally "pampered and spoilt child" president he could do whatever he wanted with impunity. Now it's finally dawning on him as his power drains away by the hour that hunkered down alone in the West Wing he's helpless like a cornered king on the chessboard unprotected by any significant pieces. Since for two months he's refused to concede, his rotten presidency has passed its shelf life so now it's time and symbolically fitting to throw him under the bus that'll take him off to jail. That must be America's lesson for the next wannabe autocrat president.

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The bigots and criminals stand firmly behind him!!!

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Double impeachment. History in the making.

The moron who smiled for the cameras as he walked out with the lectern was from Florida? I see.

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Every day gifted to this persistent disturbing preoccupation to ingratiate the cult of Trumpism, is a day lost for an opportunity to build the necessary political momentum for Joe Biden/kamala Harris vision, towards the run up for 46th January 20, US Presidential inauguration.

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

This should be Centre Stage, but no…..

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the top congressional Democrat is intent on handing Donald Trump a media/political coup to command the agenda.

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itsonlyrocknrollToday  08:58 am JST

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the top congressional Democrat is intent on handing Donald Trump a media/political coup to command the agenda.

Maybe, but that seems to be what people want:

A Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted Thursday and Friday found 57% of Americans want Trump to be removed immediately from office following the violence.

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This should be Centre Stage, but no…..

Yeah it should be center stage, but in case you didn't watch the news in the past few days, the sitting president has proactively incited a riot that ended with death of 5 people. So it's pretty normal that everything else becomes less important. You can't really start cleaning your house if your kitchen is presently on fire.

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I despise Trump but trying to impeach him with only 10 days before he leaves office is petty by the Democrats. Trump's not going to launch a war, if that's what they are worried about. There is a chain of command for launching nuclear missiles and no one would obey such an order at this point. Trump will probably vacate the White House early and head to Florida later this week.

More importantly, the Democrats need the Senate to confirm Biden's cabinet nominees before Jan 20. Not one of his 15 nominees has been confirmed or even questioned. He runs the risk of taking office without a cabinet. Instead of wasting time on impeaching Trump, the Senate needs to confirm the incoming cabinet.

Besides all of that, I was thinking that the White House must be an eerie place these days. Who is still there? Mainly junior aides and staffers plus the hundreds of chefs, valets, custodial staff who work there, no matter who is president. I bet those people have some interesting stories they could tell about all the presidents they have seen over the years.

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Seesaw7Today  08:26 am JST

Trump miscalculated. He thought people around him are his friends.

I think he thought they were like Trump Organisation employees who he could get to do anything he said, just like the boss in any private business or organised crime group. He certainly wasn't much of a friend to the Republicans though, was he? The White House, the House, the Senate - all gone. I'm not surprised they're starting to call for him to go now or be pushed.

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It’s not a ‘disturbing preoccupation to ingratiate the cult of trumpism’ it’s an incumbent necessity in order to buttress and safeguard the sanctity of Democratic institutions imperative to fascilitate the inauguration.

Or do the crime do the time.

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I wonder if Lindsey Graham is reflecting much these says on what he said in 2016

The answer is no. Graham lost all intellectual capacity when McCain passed away. Also, reflection is something decent people do, and we know Graham is not a decent person.

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Simon this....

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

Must be the top priority.

Trump can wait. he is yesterdays news.

Federal Judicial investigation, leading to Public and Supreme Court for the moment secondary.

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Trump miscalculated. He thought people around him are his friends.

Assumong Trump calculate at all is rather generous.

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*Assuming

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Trump is a domestic terrorist

Cut the drama.

The drama is, this was an act of domestic terror which breeched the Capitol and attacked our legislative branch. The photos were dramatic...it was like the French Revolution...people ready to die for a cause, not a peaceful demonstration. If you disagree with this, you're not a patriot to America, like all Trump supporters, who approve this attack.

By way of Trump supporters who invaded the Capitol with violence and purpose of interrupting the democratic process by destroying the electoral college ballots, with Trump being their leader and encouraging them AND telling them to go to the Capitol where he would march with them, he was responsible for their actions because he could have stopped it with a speech saying he had lost the election and tell his angry mob NOT to go to the Capitol, because it is an act against America.

The act of the supporters was domestic terror because of its treasonous and violent nature. It was not a peaceful demonstration, which is a key point. The terrorists were dressed threateningly, and ready for physical confrontation, to cause mayhem, and to destroy parts of and disrespect the American Capitol. Many people were hurt, including police trying to protect our democracy. And, of course, 5 people died.

That makes their leader, Donald Trump, a domestic terrorist. Just because he was too ignorant and stupid to realize his words aided an act of treason and terror, which even the staunch supporters must realize will live in infamy as an act against the United States of America, doesn't let him off the hook.

Trump is guilty of domestic terror, as he is the leader and his followers take his lying and racist lead and runs with it.

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Something definitely needs to be done to Trump, so that he is held accountable for his actions.

Coming down hard now on Trump will deter future presidents from trying the same.

Doing nothing will set a dangerous precedent

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Desert Tortoise

The challenge for the future will be for people to listen to the grievances that drove both Antifa/BLM and the Trump supporters to engage in civil unrest/rioting/insurrection, whatever you wish to call it. 

I completely agree. Unfortunately nobody wants to listen. It was clear when Colin K. started kneeling and instead of people asking “why” or “what can we do” they just screamed “you can’t do that!”

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More importantly, the Democrats need the Senate to confirm Biden's cabinet nominees before Jan 20. Not one of his 15 nominees has been confirmed or even questioned. He runs the risk of taking office without a cabinet. Instead of wasting time on impeaching Trump, the Senate needs to confirm the incoming cabinet.

Biden cannot nominate anyone to the Senate before he is sworn in as President. That is why there are no confirmations or hearings yet. He's already named most of his nominees, and I can assure you that informal questioning is already taking place. But no, there is no immediate Cabinet.

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Jsapc, Trump is still commanding the media/political agenda because he been afforded the privilege.

Joe Biden/Kamala Harris vision is nowhere to be seen.

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Seems to be getting unhinged in the U.S. Yes Trump is absolutely deservedly being isolated and is also likely to be removed from office. I despise the man but wow....

I read this article on MSN where Rick Klein who is the political director of ABC News said

"though President Trump will soon be gone, that’s the easy part. “Cleansing the movement he commands is going to be something else,”

I have never heard anything like this in my life. Link is below.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/abc-demands-cleansing-trump-movement-from-america/ar-BB1cyVJ7

If Trump is legally impeached or removed from office that is one thing (my analogy yesterday to the clear and present danger of his inability to act at this time is one example).

However: be careful America......talking about "cleansing" people has dangerous historical context. Coming from someone in such a high position of one of the major media outlets is a bit over the top.

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Joe Biden/Kamala Harris vision is nowhere to be seen.

You’ve posted a link to it twice in the past 20 minutes.

Still, you spent a large part of last year belittling Biden as a useless old man so I’m sceptical of your sincere interest in it other than as distraction again.

You bet money on trump winning and promised to give half to charity. That was a waste of money.

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...to impeach him with only 10 days before he leaves office is petty...

No! A petty president with a life-long history of graft and grift, no matter what his mental-health issues, deserves no less. Remember the staggering number of the dead which is dramatically rising day by day on the watch of this petty piece of work. There must be no pardon for the unpardonable!

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I spend eight months, early years, not a substantial amount time, as an assistant economics researcher, Gordon Browns Government.

When not making teas/coffees and plating the hob nobs, long enough to learn grasp that never ever, let your opponent’s command the political/media agenda at any cost.

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Trump can wait. he is yesterdays news.

He can still do a lot of damage in the next two weeks. Like calling for another (even worse) riot on inauguration day.

If a player commits a flagrant foul and breaks another player's leg et the 87th minute of a soccer match, leaving him on the pitch because there's only 3 minutes left and he's "old news" would be idiotic.

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People who pretend that Trump "drained the swamp" really need to have a long hard look at the resumes of all his cabinet members... And then at themselves.

https://prospect.org/power/five-ways-donald-trump-has-not-drained-the-swamp/

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@Jsapc

We are in agreement that no swamp was drained. The instant he brought his daughter and son in law Jared Kushner into his regime is the moment that the term "drain the swamp" became a complete joke.

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Trump needs to be banned from ever running for office again.

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Trump must leave.

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You know what ‘vision’ means, right?

You understand that Biden isn’t President yet, right?

You have been watching the news this week, right?

But you want everyone to ignore that and focus on joe’s vision which he hasn’t had a chance to start work on yet. I see.

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However: be careful America......talking about "cleansing" people has dangerous historical context. Coming from someone in such a high position of one of the major media outlets is a bit over the top.

Agreed. Very inflammatory language.

Education, intervention and reconciliation should be foremost in the healing process.

Jail sentences or lengthy community work for the hardcore cult members.

And we must remember that many voters believed that Trump would shine a light on their plight/poverty and years of being disenfranchised by both main parties.

They were wrong, sadly. Trump and his minions enriched and served only themselves.

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@Toasted

They were wrong, sadly. Trump and his minions enriched and served only themselves.

I fully agree with you: 100%

Education, intervention and reconciliation should be foremost in the healing process.

Would this education be mandatory and would it be done in camps? Or would it be in an online format to correct people's thinking.

Jail sentences or lengthy community work for the hardcore cult members.

Who do you define as a hardcore cult member? Who makes that decision? Should tattoos with serial numbers be affixed to their arms to allow for easy identification?

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When not making teas/coffees and plating the hob nobs, long enough to learn grasp that never ever, let your opponent’s command the political/media agenda at any cost.

I don’t think an open debate about whether Trump should be impeached or removed under the 25th amendment while his allies sprint for the exits equals him ‘commanding the political agenda’.

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Jsapc, if Trump through judicial process is found culpable to the serious crimes, he is alleged to have committed then the full weight of the law must be applied without fear or favour.

These crucial days are Biden/Harris time to command the agenda.

I am not a supporter of a number Biden or Harris policies. But Biden and Harris won this US election fair and square and that must be respected

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it seems incongruous to arrest and charge those who physically defiled the Capitol building as a result of the incitement from Trump - and not punish Trump - perhaps Trump should pardon them (their guilt is his guilt) and then resign himself. In one paper - it was called the "beer belly putsch" - priceless

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Trump’s final Trump card is to call Putin for help. All of this banal chaos goes on while hilarity rocks Xi Jinping‘s headquarters

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A group of dozens of State Department officials are filing a formal dissent cable directed at Secretary of State Mike Pompeo for the department’s lack of forceful public messaging about the violent breach of the U.S. Capitol building by a pro-Trump mob this week, according to three officials familiar with the matter.

The dissent cable, which one person said has been signed by over 70 officials, reflects mounting anger within the department over the administration’s response to the mob that ransacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 with lawmakers still trapped inside.

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Trump wasn't YOUR President for the past 4 years. 

And yet none of "us" tried to storm the Capitol, weapons in hand, in order to prevent his due election.

Are you capable of comprehending the incredibly huge difference between the two sides?

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if the nation does not listen to the grievances and make a genuine effort to reconcile and fix what is wrong, punishment alone will solve nothing. It will in fact make things much worse as it hardens people in their ideological bunkers.

Silencing, marginalizing and punishing such a large bloc of people had been done many times throughout history. Usually ends in bloodshed, war or genocide. Hard to believe the politicians, military/spy figures and their tech billionaire lackeys don't know that. (Well maybe the latter don't - they can be pretty unaware.)

It's quote possible that they are hoping to provoke these people more and accelerate the conflict, to give them an excuse for a final solution and absolute control of the populace. Seems to be working, with people cheering the loss of free speech and words of hate, and I suspect 2021 will be the year that future historians say the USA lost its democracy.

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After watching the sickening video clip of the Trump clan party all grinning while rubbering at the riot and celebrating the "March on the Capitol" in real time, my first thought was, Napoleon got his island so why not the Trumps and their enablers get Guantanamo where they can party on in orange (and without Twitter)?

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Trump wasn't YOUR President for the past 4 years. Why does Joe have to be MY President for the next 4?

Because Dolt 45 represented his supporters and attacked everyone else. Biden represents ALL Americans.

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We'll never forget you, Davey Crump!

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The worrying part is that the danger is not over yet. The bigots and criminals are planning another attack during Biden’s inauguration.

Impeachment is not enough. Article 25, criminal cases against all the those who screeched at the DC rally and quick arrests of everyone involved is needed.

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Trump clearly revels in dominating the news cycle, and he's not about to stop that, whether he's president or not. I expect more bizarre antics between now and 1/20, and his base is sure to eat it up.

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@commanteer

You make a very good point. I despise Trump and I have since his election. However it seems it is no longer ok to just disagree with someone or want to remove them from office. It now seems that the opposing point of view must be destroyed and eliminated (cleansed appears to be the word used by ABC) and those who hold the view must be "re-educated" or put in a labor camp of some sort. Klein did delete his Twitter post but as with anything on the internet now it will remain forever.

I do disagree with one item in your post. I believe the USA started to lose its democracy 20 years ago and the U.S. has been travelling down this slippery path ever since.

As you pointed out, history is full of such stories and perhaps the Constitutional Republic of the U.S. is finally headed the way of the Roman Empire.

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funkymofo,

Open debate should never be stifled or questioned. Not my intention.

I am questioning the amount the media print space is devoted to Donald Trump, day in, day out.

Front page news. And over overshadowing future change.

Downgrade Trump to page 3.

At least show, front page, a perceived, more positive political future.

Policies to deal with this pandemic etc etc.

And yes Biden vision, if one agrees with it or not.

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Silencing, marginalizing and punishing such a large bloc of people had been done many times throughout history.

Your point would be valid if you were talking about an oppressed minority of the population, but we're talking about a bunch of criminals here, no more, no less. What happened to "law and order"? When a few rioters burn down a Gap during a BLM protest, the enraged right calls for harsh punishments, but when hundreds of white folks invade a government building and loot it, it's suddenly time for sensible debate and worried comparisons with the pogroms in Europe?

Some people really have no sense of shame.

It's quote possible that they are hoping to provoke these people more and accelerate the conflict, to give them an excuse for a final solution and absolute control of the populace. 

Please keep the conspiracy theories to a near-zero minimum. Because that's absolutely what leads to the Capitol being stormed.

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Would this education be mandatory and would it be done in camps? Or would it be in an online format to correct people's thinking.

I would hope that people might take the time to reflect on their poor choices and enroll in community projects, discussions, town hall meetings, that they might be encouraged by responsible leaders at top and grass roots levels. That they could work side by side with their political counterparts (not sure what Qanon counterparts are, mind) and debate.

There could be Truth and Reconciliation processes set up like in South Africa and NI/6 counties.

Who do you define as a hardcore cult member? Who makes that decision? Should tattoos with serial numbers be affixed to their arms to allow for easy identification?

Ah, I see what you're doing there. Continuing the far right/conspiracy theory narrative that Trump supporters are repressed, the most victimised and treated like the Jewish peoples have been.

An utterly shameless analogy, which won't fly anymore.

Obviously the hardcore have no interest in peace or mending their country.

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Corrrection:

I just learned the video was of the Trump gathering before the riot, but this fact does not let them off the hook as instigators and inciters of the events that became another day of infamy in American history.

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Bob, please review the Biden/Harris vision link. These policies were not dreamt up overnight,. This is an ongoing strategy built up from the moment both were chosen as Democrat nominees.

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Impeach him and prosecute him for all his other crimes and send him to Jail. Make an example of him and all other members of his family who have used his presidency to enrich themselves, so that in the future, somebody like Cruz will think twice before attempting something similar...

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@Toasted

First I am not nor have I ever been a supporter of Trump.

Yes my comparison was extreme however the statement made by Klein is also extreme.

I would like to ask again; As you are calling for internment or making people work who do you define as a hardcorde cult member? The line needs to be drawn somewhere.

When one of the 3 leading news outlets makes a statement such as Klein's it has to be called out.

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Seems to be working, with people cheering the loss of free speech and words of hate, and I suspect 2021 will be the year that future historians say the USA lost its democracy.

People are cheering the loss of platforms for misinformationists/bigots/lunatics.

None of them have actually lost their freedom of speech or have been silenced.

The hyperbole and fake panic coming from the right would (previoulsy) been viewed as astounding but it's expected now. And it's deliberate.

In Ireland, years ago, there was censorship of Sinn Fein and IRA spokespersons, Section 31.

That was a loss of freedom of speech and democracy.

This is not the same. These are private companies, excercising their rights to behave like private companies.

Something (until the other day) Conservatives were fully behind.

How odd.

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@itsonlyrockandroll,

I see, I agree with you that media obsession with Trump has been over the top. I suppose it’s like that old media adage- Dog bites man is not news, man bites dog is news. Sensationalism is de rigueur in the modern 24hr media world. I hope we can get back to focusing on real debate once he’s gone, search for political common ground and ensure the American democratic experiment continues unhindered.

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At this point the hardcore Trump fans can be considered as full-fledged cult members. In that respect, they do need some form of re-education or readaptation to normal society, like all ex-cult members do. If you have been taught to believe for the past 5 years that democrats eat babies, storming the Capitol doesn't seem to be such an extreme act. And of course, you can't and won't stop believing Democrats eat babies just because Trump leaves office. That doesn't mean we need to put all of them in camps, only crazy people would advocate that, but it does mean they need more counseling than they need jail time.

Oh and of course the source of the disease (Fox, OAN, Newsmax) needs to be dealt with.

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As you are calling for internment or making people work who do you define as a hardcorde cult member? The line needs to be drawn somewhere.

Clearly, you're not reading my posts today or over the last several years.

I am not calling for internment for the people.

The hardcore would be those who believe in the great replacement theory, the hard right who peddle anti-Semitic conspiracies, those who chant "Jew will not replace us", for starters.

The kind of person who posts "Hail Trump". Nobody seemed to mind when he was removed from his platform here.

Now, saying all that vile and hatred is bad - but those who incite violence and make a profit from others misery, like the Trump family... well, I wouldn't shed a tear if they were jailed or exiled.

But proper trials for the leadership and enablers must be carried out, if that's the case/

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The African American population have serious doubts increased over the racism. BLM happened because of the brutal and illegal killings of black people by the police. The protest marches were attacked by the police, state police and national guard. Tear gas, pepper spray, beaten. Shot.

When Trump left the White House and marched to a nearby church, a peaceful BLM protest was attacked to clear the street.

The police at the Capitol Building gave the white thugs a free card, even allowing people to take selfies with them.

Amazing double standards.

What would have happened if those Trump thugs had been blacks.

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@Toasted

Fair enough.

I voted for Biden however over 73 million people voted for Trump so a serious question needs to be asked. Why?

My questions are somewhat rhetorical however a person like Klein, in his position and making such a statement, is a bit scary. He should know better. He did remove his Tweet as he even probably realized it was over the top. Emotions are very high right now.

The hardcore would be those who believe in the great replacement theory, the hard right who peddle anti-Semitic conspiracies, those who chant "Jew will not replace us", for starters.

I fully agree: these people would certainly fall into the "hardcore" and extreme side of the issue.

Now, saying all that vile and hatred is bad - but those who incite violence and make a profit from others misery, like the Trump family... well, I wouldn't shed a tear if they were jailed or exiled.

If you are limiting this to Trump himself and perhaps Don Jr. I would also agree. His family would include his son, his soon to be ex wife, and likely others.

The level of divisiveness in the U.S. is like nothing I have seen before (and I have seen alot). History tells us that things can go bad very quickly. The pendulum is swinging in the direction of Biden at this time however that same pendulum can quickly turn back the other way.

I am here in Japan and not in the U.S. so I cannot directly bear witness to what is happening there. Perhaps it is not as unhinged as my perception leads me to believe.

I would imagine you and I would agree on 80-90% of the issues. The U.S. is in a dangerous spot right now and the U.S. is absolutely not immune from repeating some of the terrible things that have happened in history.

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Trump will be impeached by the House on Monday. The only president to be impeached twice. But like the first time, Trump unlikely to be convicted by the Senate.

Trump is now the world's biggest cult with tens of millions of believers.

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There is not enought time for impeachment. Biden says he has new legislation to push through and he doesnt want congress tied up in a long impeachment process.

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I am here in Japan and not in the U.S. so I cannot directly bear witness to what is happening there. Perhaps it is not as unhinged as my perception leads me to believe.

Aye, same here. Although I am in regular contact with family and friends.

In my visits to the US, the majority of people I encountered were not fringe lunatics and bigots. But it's always been there, bubbling under the surface.

What happened at the Capitol was inevitable, something like that was bound to happen after not just 5 years of incendiary rhetoric by a crazed leader, but after decades of the widening gulf between the disenfranchised (of all colours but esp black) and the rich capitalists.

If the people in the US (and around the world) united against the real oppressors, instead of each other, things might improve significantly. In the meantime, I shall continue to dream and hope for better days.

At this stage, we can only (try to) learn from history, both past and recent past.

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The republican voters/supporters I chat with from time to time, either here in Japan or on conference calls are appalled at accusations to an incitement of violence, or any criminality covered within the Sedition Act.

It is a mistaken to pigeon hole or categorize republicans amongst the electorate as Trump cultist supporters, and much inferring that democrats are baby eating liberals.

Biden /Harris first and probably most arduous challenge will be uniting a clearly divided political landscape.

McConnell memo outlines how Senate would conduct second trial for Trump if House impeaches

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-impeachment-trump-mcconnell/2021/01/08/5f650ad0-520d-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html

The timing is toe curling, totally inappropriate, 20th January?

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He will not be impeached while in office - the democrats are not gonna get 17 GOP members to commit political suicide by crossing the aisle. McConnell has said he wouldn't schedule proceedings before the 19th. He is now Hitler in the bunker, waiting for the end. The last thing that he'll be remembered for is his brownshirts attempting, and failing, to burn the Reichstag while waving confederate flags and wearing buffalo horns.

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Impeaching President Donald Trump with 12 days remaining in his presidency would only serve to further divide the country

The country is already divided, idiots and people with common sense. This guy (the orange) should be in jail.

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The take-away for all citizens of good faith with intelligence to match is that Trump is a festering tumor on the presidency that must be excised asap for the future good of the Republic. No more elephantine excuses about "dividing" the nation, or donkey braying about "healing" the country by those disingenuous voices who wish to reward egregious irresponsibility. Crimes have been committed and blood has been spilled so there must be both consequences and accountability, or history might repeat itself in an even more dire and sinister fashion.

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A Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted Thursday and Friday found 57% of Americans want Trump to be removed immediately from office following the violence

Roughly the same percentage of people who have had an unfavorable view of Trump during his tenure.

If you look at approval ratings of previous presidents, they have risen and fallen based on events and perception of performance. Trump’s approval/disapproval ratings hardly budged outside of a very narrow range.

This is concerning. It can’t be good for the quality of governance if the electorate is viewing everything from their respective trench. It doesn’t keep politicians on their toes.

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He will not be impeached while in office - the democrats are not gonna get 17 GOP members to commit political suicide by crossing the aisle

This comment sums up in a nutshell most of what is wrong in American politics today. If members cannot compromise for the sake of the country then the country is doomed. Simple as that.

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If we don't impeach him he'll collect a $200K/year pension. Get a $10M travel budget on the taxpayer dime and extensive secret service security detail which he collects rent from for the rest of his life. He's "rich", he can pay for all that on his own.

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There is not enought time for impeachment. Biden says he has new legislation to push through and he doesnt want congress tied up in a long impeachment process

No. The House could have the articles read and voted on by noon Monday. And I can guarantee you that if the matter at hand was confirming a conservative Supreme Court Justice Mitch McConnell would have it done by Monday afternoon. And anyway, by Monday the two new Senators from Georgia will be sworn in and Chuck Schumer will be leading the Senate. No more of Mitch McConnell's games.

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itsonlyrocknrollToday  09:35 am JST

...never ever, let your opponent’s command the political/media agenda at any cost.

Good advice, but I suspect that Trump will be too busy with damage limitation to command any agendas. As it is his command of the GOP already looks like it's slipping away.

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Joe Biden/Kamala Harris vision is nowhere to be seen.

Unless you bother to look. Let me help you:

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/

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Desert Tortoise

I dont understnad how it would work. After the impeachment there is a trial in the Senate. You know that right? By then President Trump would be out of office.

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I dont understnad how it would work. After the impeachment there is a trial in the Senate. You know that right? By then President Trump would be out of office.

Not much to try. The evidence is pretty clear. Present the evidence and vote. Like I said, if it were Mitch McConnell trying to get a new conservative Supreme Court justice confirmed before losing his leadership of the Senate he would have it done in an afternoon. Slam dunk. Any delay by Senate Republicans is a dark stain on them. Now keep in mind I expect them to use every weasel word in the dictionary to find an excuse not to impeach Mr. Trump, but they could do it if they were really determined to do so. There is certainly nothing preventing them besides their own lack of morals.

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I am questioning the amount the media print space is devoted to Donald Trump, day in, day out.

That’ll gladly be one less thing to worry you in the very near future.

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If we don't impeach him he'll collect a $200K/year pension. Get a $10M travel budget on the taxpayer dime and extensive secret service security detail which he collects rent from for the rest of his life. He's "rich", he can pay for all that on his own.

I wonder if he still gets all that money and secret service protection if he's sitting in a cell at Rikers Island?

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Bob FosseToday  01:06 pm JST

"I am questioning the amount the media print space is devoted to Donald Trump, day in, day out."

That’ll gladly be one less thing to worry you in the very near future.

Indeed. He won't be President any more, his election fraud claims have been debunked and he can't affect the outcome of any more congressional elections. There will be nothing to write about him apart from news about his court cases and debts.

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zichiToday  11:16 am JST

Trump will be impeached by the House on Monday. The only president to be impeached twice. But like the first time, Trump unlikely to be convicted by the Senate.

Trump is now the world's biggest cult with tens of millions of believers.

Even Republicans are sick of the evil Donald Trump has, and if the current lame-duck Senate has any scruples or a desire to maintain what little respectability they may have left they will join the chorus and throw this traitor into the trash can where he belongs.

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Simon FostonToday  01:10 pm JST

Bob FosseToday  01:06 pm JST

"I am questioning the amount the media print space is devoted to Donald Trump, day in, day out."

That’ll gladly be one less thing to worry you in the very near future.

Indeed. He won't be President any more, his election fraud claims have been debunked and he can't affect the outcome of any more congressional elections. There will be nothing to write about him apart from news about his court cases and debts.

There's going a lot more criminal activity on trump's part exposed as well. Just wait.

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Indeed. He won't be President any more, his election fraud claims have been debunked and he can't affect the outcome of any more congressional elections. There will be nothing to write about him apart from news about his court cases and debts.

I don't know, old Newt Gingrich keeps popping up from the graveyard like a vampire to suck some more blood from the body politic. I am constantly amazed how both major parties keep resuscitating old political corpses while thinking to myself "hey, I thought that dude was dead?" only to see then float into yet another cabinet position or congressional seat.

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Trump has committed 3 impeachable acts in the last 3 weeks: He called the lead investor in GA and said “Find the fraud”, He called the GA SOS in his now famously leaked recording, and he incited an insurrection against the government.

This cannot go unanswered, even this late in his term. He will be impeached and I suspect convicted. The GOP Senate despises him and are no longer afraid of him.

He needs to be barred from all future rolls in government. His pension should be revoked because he won’t need it.

I suspect that indictments are waiting for him at 12:01 pm on January 20th.

Impeachment, conviction, Indictment, and prison; that is Trump’s future.

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GdTokyoToday  01:38 pm JST

Trump has committed 3 impeachable acts in the last 3 weeks: He called the lead investor in GA and said “Find the fraud”, He called the GA SOS in his now famously leaked recording, and he incited an insurrection against the government.

This cannot go unanswered, even this late in his term. He will be impeached and I suspect convicted. The GOP Senate despises him and are no longer afraid of him.

He needs to be barred from all future rolls in government. His pension should be revoked because he won’t need it.

I suspect that indictments are waiting for him at 12:01 pm on January 20th.

Impeachment, conviction, Indictment, and prison; that is Trump’s future.

More offenses than you can shake a stick at.

More lawsuits await him, too. Ladies he raped, people he stole from, Village People, Rolling Stones, etc........

He's got more crimes than R Kelly and he should be jailed and shuffled from prison to prison to face his charges from city to city just like R. IOW, he should be put in a pen and never released again! Same goes for R Kelly.

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How can any of the moronic rioters be criminally prosecuted to the full letter of the law if their leader & primary instigator, in this case Trump, only gets a slap on the wrist?

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Remove his name from any government affiliation, revoke his presidential status and benefits then allow him to fend for himself as a private citizen.

That means his own security, legal troubles, and financial troubles. I bet anyone that if enacted, trump would immediately flee to Russia in exchange for any government secrets that he will try steal before leaving office.

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