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Liberals on Monday: Republicans are bad for always sending our troops to the Middle East.

Liberals on Tuesday: Republicans are bad for bringing our troops home from the Middle East.

Liberals on Wednesday: Anti-Assad Syrian rebels are heroes, fighting for freedom, democracy and the American way. We should stop Russia from bombing them.

Liberals on Thursday: Anti-Assad Syrian rebels are ruthless killers, stealing land from the peace loving Kurds. We should bomb them.

Liberals are just feathers in the wind. Just taking the anti-Trump position, no matter what it is.

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Some screw-ups are impossible to fix, and this is one of them. Trump gave away the farm without a peep and the people who took it aren't going to hand it back.

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Well Trump ripped off a band-aid, except they unlike ripping off a band-aid lots of people died and it will have consequences for years to come.

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Erdogan has Trump just where he wants him (over a fat barrel of corruption stuffed with Trump Towers and Turkish Delight). Your move, Donny Boy!

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it will have consequences for years to come.

Consequences like an end to this vicious and meaningless war.

Finally we'll have peace and stability in Syria.

Thank you Russia for smashing the rebels.

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Putin 1 Trump 0

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Putin 9000, Trump 0.

All your base are belong to us!

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Erdogan is a despicable little guy, same as the guy in NK, same as the guy in China. The sooner these guys are taken down the better for the people although sadly, most of them have already been brainwashed to a point of no return.

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Erdogan won't stop until he has murdered all the Kurds.

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No doubt this was all planned beforehand by Trump, Putin and Erdogan. Donnie told Vlad and Erd that he'll get pushback from the Repubs in the Senate, so he'll put some weak, feeble sanctions on to make it look like he's doing something.

Erd goes full in and with his credibility on the line won't stop until the Kurds are all gone.

The new Kingmaker in the Middle East, Vlad, is now visiting the area.

Trump sold out the Kurds and he sold out America...which is what he's been doing since 17 Jan 2017...

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When speaking of the Turks, now is a good time to remember the Armenian genocide. They haven't changed in 100 years.

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NYT: In Syria, Russia Pleased to Fill an American Void

"As the United States withdraws from Syria, Russia is stepping in, is running patrols to separate warring factions, striking deals and helping President Bashar al-Assad advance..." Well played, Donnie. "So much winning you'll be sick of it...", right? If this is winning, I'd hate to see what losing looks like.

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@Norman Goodman, when speaking about Armenian genocide, we should talk about the role of Kurds whom is the predominant population on the region that Armenians left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidiye_(cavalry)

Mainly Sunni Kurdish cavalries that made actions such as mass murder, deportation and looting, their main motivation was to own the lands that Armenians left.

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"No doubt this was all planned beforehand" You give Trump too much credit. The other two may have planned it and sold it to him, but he is no planner. It's the only reason I don't believe he's involved in conspiracies - at least of his own making. He simply isn't smart enough.

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This is called "Stab In The Back" ! The world should remember when you are volunteer being the puppet or mercenary of Uncle Sam, you should expect your doomsday is near! The Kurds were dreaming their "Kurdistan" or Kurdish state for sacrificing two generations of people since 1991 the uprising against Saddam!

And now this is the Turks who were manning US made tanks and warplanes bulldozing the fragile  Kurdish state! This is nothing new, remember the "Republic of Vietnam" (South Vietnam) in 1975? Some people just don't learn from history and they were not a few nut a whole group of people! The Kurds deserve this, their pay back time, a sudden death warren signed by Donald Trump!

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No doubt this was all planned beforehand

Why is there no doubt? There has been literally nothing to show what yous say is the case. No indication of pre-planning whatsoever. So what makes you think that there is no doubt about this?

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I hope Trump got something good in return for himself.

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 The Turkish-backed fighters dispersed after the show of force,

So NATO planes have to display a "show of force" against... NATO troops.

Hilarious.

Quite the "alliance" you guys go there.

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No doubt this was all planned beforehand by Trump, Putin and Erdogan.

Riiiiight.

Apparently, everything that happens in the world is the result of a secret conspiracy between Trump and Putin.

And Mueller is in on it too. His investigation that found no collusion was all part of the "Master Plan".

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No doubt this was all planned beforehand by Trump, Putin and Erdogan.

Riiiiight.

Glad you agree...

Apparently, everything that happens in the world is the result of a secret conspiracy between Trump and Putin.

Pretty much...

And Mueller is in on it too. His investigation that found no collusion was all part of the "Master Plan".

Of course he found collusion - didn't you read the report? Manafort sending polling data to Russian intelligence, Stone communicating with Assange on Russian stolen e-mails, etc., etc.,

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This is called "Stab In The Back" ! The world should remember when you are volunteer being the puppet or mercenary of Uncle Sam, you should expect your doomsday is near! The Kurds were dreaming their "Kurdistan" or Kurdish state for sacrificing two generations of people since 1991 the uprising against Saddam!

And now this is the Turks who were manning US made tanks and warplanes bulldozing the fragile Kurdish state! This is nothing new, remember the "Republic of Vietnam" (South Vietnam) in 1975? Some people just don't learn from history and they were not a few nut a whole group of people! The Kurds deserve this, their pay back time, a sudden death warren signed by Donald Trump!

If it helps, since I've considerable knowledge regarding to the region, I'd like to give some historical/political background about Kurds and clarification to your misleading facts.

There are reasons that Kurds never get able to found a state in the history, the reason is that, they are heavily divided to sects and tribes, such as Shia Kurds that aligned with Iran, Sunni Kurds that aligned with arab sunni / Erdoganist / Muslim Brotherhood movements whether in Iraq or in Syria, Shafi Kurds that aligned with tribes or with IS, Nousairi Kurds that aligned with Assad and Alaouite Kurds that aligned with Ataturk's Turkey or radically aligned with Marxists movements since the cold war. So while calling Kurds, you are making an assumptions that really similar to call all arabs living in Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Bahrain as arabs and considering that they can live together, which is impossible!

Kurdish state that sacrificed his two generations against Saddam in 1991, has its own autonomous state in Iraq, happily sitting on oil-rich Mosul and Kirkuk cities, under the control of Sunni Kurdish Barzani family. Iraqi Kurds are mainly Sunni and never wanted to help to Syrian Kurds or never get involved to the ongoing war.

Shia Kurds continue to support whether Assad and Persians, automatically aligned with the regime force in the Syria war.

The Kurds that now we are talking about in this event, is PYD/SDF terror groups, marxists that has been heavily supported by Obama/Hillary period, and EU left-wing backed fighters, they had created their autonomous state in the city of Kobane, by appling obligatory army duty to civil people. Their Marxist world-view is makes it easy their alignement with Russians in any time in the near future, you can read the name of their organization is Kurdistan Workers Party in between the lines of articles.

As a result, this group that has been supported previously never had a capability to found a country for all Kurds because of their radical perspective, they were useful to fight with a radical group, because they are violent too, but they don't have potential to establish a constitutional state that will fit in world order; that's what U.S know.

There will be Kurdish state in the region but not with these guys.

So here above is the real facts about the region, doesn't contain any internal US politics that hardly can be seen in the media right now.

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Who benefits from Mr. Trump’s decision?

The immediate winners were Turkey and its Syrian Arab proxies, who had captured over 75 square miles of previously Kurdish-held territory by the end of the weekend.

The Islamic State will also profit from the instability, since Kurdish-led fighters no longer have the manpower to root out remaining militant cells or to guard roughly 11,000 captured ISIS fighters.

The Syrian government is another beneficiary: On Sunday, the Kurdish authorities allowed Syrian troops to return to large parts of northern Syria where they had no presence for more than half a decade. But many fear that eventually the Assad regime, and its feared security forces, will take back control.

Russia and Iran, Mr. al-Assad’s main international protectors, are the other winners. America’s withdrawal allows the two countries to expand their influence in the region. Russia has already emerged as the main power broker in negotiations between the Kurds, Mr. al-Assad and the Turkish government, and it's only been a week since Trump greenlit the invasion.

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Kurdish-led fighters no longer have the manpower to root out remaining militant cells or to guard roughly 11,000 captured ISIS fighters.

Moot point.

Syrian gov. troops are already there.

ISIS prisons are on lockdown again.

Nice try though.

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When Trump won the presidency on a promise to end “endless wars,” it was always unspoken that doing so would mean abandoning allies, like the Kurdish forces, or the Afghan government. But also unspoken was leaving American soldiers behind, or unsupported on the field of battle. 

Removing the American troops from Syria may require an airlift; another may also be needed to relocate the estimated 50 American tactical nuclear weapons housed at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey. That's right, 50 US nuclear weapons, on Turkish soil. Erdogan could also deny the US access to Incirlik, if he's willing to cut ties with NATO and give up aspirations of joining the EU.

On the ground, Syrian Arab forces allied with the Turkish military executed at least two Kurdish prisoners on Saturday, filmed the killings and posted the images across social media. 

US Defense Secretary Mark Esper admitted that, less than one week into the conflict “we see a humanitarian crisis emerging.”

Two United States officials went on record saying that the precipitous withdrawal of American forces forced them to leave behind five dozen “high value” Islamic State prisoners. 

The situation is sure to get worse, especially for the estimated two million civilians living in northern Syria. “Our allies, trusted us, and we broke that trust,” a US Army officer who has worked alongside the Kurds in northern Syria told the NYT. “It’s a stain on the American conscience.”

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Trump's moronic decision to withdraw US troops out of Syria and abandoned the US's traditional ally Kurdish fighters appeared to be the result of the one–on–one Trump–Putin Summit in Helsinki on July 16, 2018. There could be many more disastrous decisions after this. Why has Trump revered Putin so much so that he would do anything to please Putin?

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@Hung nguyen Why has Trump revered Putin so much so that he would do anything to please Putin?

The answer is simple: Trump admires or adores "The Putin style leadership"! The Authoritarian one!

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Manafort sending polling data to Russian intelligence, Stone communicating with Assange on Russian stolen e-mails, etc., etc.,

Yep I've read a lot of the report that's been released, and Mueller alleges lot's of things, but when you dig into most of it, it's all hear say and allegations with no solid evidence, in fact the Russian in question, they can't even find any evidence that he worked for Russian intelligence, it's ALL just he said, they said, and no evidence what so ever, standard State sponsored SOS. Same old S&%T, sprinkled with lot's of Hypocrisy on top for flavor.

However, the US starts wars with the same modus operandi almost always, no evidence just a feeling or fabrication so let's go to War and murder some people, Wash, Rinse and Repeat, our Government and intel sources doing the same old. I can remember half the guys in my barracks going to Vietnam and some not coming home, all based on lies, and nobody impeached the guy that caused close to 60,000 Americans and untold Vietnamese to be murdered, in fact the guy that caused it all got a Presidential Library where worshipers could come in Peace to Worship him.

Until the day comes that the Federal Government stops lying to the people, there should be no American Troops allowed to intervene in another Countries Problems. But, we all know that will never, ever happen.

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Manafort sending polling data to Russian intelligence, Stone communicating with Assange on Russian stolen e-mails, etc., etc.,

Yep I've read a lot of the report that's been released, and Mueller alleges lot's of things, but when you dig into most of it, it's all hear say and allegations with no solid evidence, in fact the Russian in question, they can't even find any evidence that he worked for Russian intelligence, it's ALL just he said, they said, and no evidence what so ever, standard State sponsored SOS. Same old S&%T, sprinkled with lot's of Hypocrisy on top for flavor.

Where did you read your copy of the Mueller Report - Russia Today?

However, the US starts wars with the same modus operandi almost always, no evidence just a feeling or fabrication so let's go to War and murder some people, Wash, Rinse and Repeat, our Government and intel sources doing the same old. I can remember half the guys in my barracks going to Vietnam and some not coming home, all based on lies, and nobody impeached the guy that caused close to 60,000 Americans and untold Vietnamese to be murdered, in fact the guy that caused it all got a Presidential Library where worshipers could come in Peace to Worship him.

Agree - Vietnam was a major mistake. And all the other wars and interventions after that were under a Republican administration - you OK with that?

Until the day comes that the Federal Government stops lying to the people, there should be no American Troops allowed to intervene in another Countries Problems. But, we all know that will never, ever happen.

Putin would agree with your opinion - as he invades and occupies the former Soviet republics...and ultimately Europe.

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Burning Bush: "Finally we'll have peace and stability in Syria."

When? it's less stable than ever now that Trump has unilaterally decided to pull troops. By supporting him and deflecting to criticise his opponents on this (which are also composed of most Republicans, which you forgot are just chose not to know), you support Turkey shooting US soldiers, and committing atrocities, and you support Russia. All this blood is on Trump's hands as well as those who blindly support him. If you disagree with Turkey shooting at US special forces, you side with Democrats and the Republicans who oppose Trump on this. And why hasn't Trump and the Trumpers "destroyed Turkey's economy" yet?

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The Kurds that now we are talking about in this event, is PYD/SDF terror groups, marxists that has been heavily supported by Obama/Hillary period, and EU left-wing backed fighters, they had created their autonomous state in the city of Kobane, by appling obligatory army duty to civil people. Their Marxist world-view is makes it easy their alignement with Russians in any time in the near future, you can read the name of their organization is Kurdistan Workers Party in between the lines of articles.

Most countries have a Workers Party. My own country has one and yes, there's Marxism in the mix, of course. Workers rights are the backbone of Marx's writings, so that's hardly surprising.

Any alignment with Russia will not be down to historical Marxism, as Putin's Russia has no ties to that line of thinking anymore. It will be down to necessity, having been abandoned by the US.

Adopting Marxism, or at least the basic tenets of, does not automatically put one in the terrorist bracket. Just like adopting the basic tenets of capitalism doesn't do the same. Although one could argue that both ideologies have been hijacked countless times and led to conflict.

Politics and wars make strange bedfellows. As is ever the case.

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The US needed and recruited the Kurd. the US gave the Kurds the understanding that one ISIS was defeated they would assist in the establishment of a Kurdish State. Mow they have abandoned the Kurds. The US did the same thing in Afghanistan where they recruited, trained and financed the Taliban to fight Russia with the understanding that they would be supported to establish a Taliban based government and as soon as the Taliban defeated Russia the US installed an Afghan Washington puppet. Fast forward, 11 years of Afghan chaos.

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the US gave the Kurds the understanding that one ISIS was defeated they would assist in the establishment of a Kurdish State. 

I don't believe that is correct because America does not have the authority for that. Even after WW1 the Kurds were promised their own country. Kurdistan spans Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran.

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Putin is the big winner. Maybe that's what Trump wanted?

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The Kurds are Israeli allies. So I wonder if the timing of Trump's retreat from Syria is linked to the impeachment witch hunt. Or perhaps linked to Netanyahu's losing of the recent election.

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Netanyahu expressed serious doubts and concerns about the Trump decision to withdraw troops and muttered something about not being able to rely on him anymore.

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"You think everything wrong with the world is America's fault."

Do you want a list of the countries the US has invaded or interfered in in the last 70 years? Most, NOT ALL, the deputes in the world have originated by the US trying to dominate economically, politically or militarily.

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"I don't believe that is correct because America does not have the authority for that."

Your right, they don't have the authority.

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Do you want a list of the countries the US has invaded or interfered in in the last 70 years? Most, NOT ALL, the deputes in the world have originated by the US trying to dominate economically, politically or militarily.

You're obsessed with the United Statss. You're anti-American hatred clouds your judgement. All you clod is rant against the US.

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