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And now we have an instance of violence being threatened/encouraged.

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@bBush I envisage a Trump-Kushner ticket with Trump Jr. as secretary of State and Ivanka as secretary of the Treasury.

I imagine that sort of 19th century European/Russian succession is possible given so many Americans want to see an authoritarian regime led by a king- or tsar-type figure, someone who'll replace the democratic system Trump etal are trying to dismantle.

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Well, at the rate Israel is bulldozing Palestinians out of their homes, it'll take about 8 years to fully occupy East Jerusalem.

Isn't it foul and inexcusable?

I envisage a Trump-Kushner ticket with Trump Jr. as secretary of State and Ivanka as secretary of the Treasury.

I literally have a stomach ache from laughing so hard. Kiddos! ROFL. Oh my!

"Following President Trump's historic declaration, I intend to promote and reinforce building in Jerusalem," Gallant said in a statement.

Look, Trump's decision is alrwady legitimizing further degradation of the Palestinians through human rights abuses at the hands of Israel. Definitely a step towards peace, if the strategy is the same as that used by the US against Native Americans.

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People will die, property will be damaged, and there will be no progress towards peace. All due to a dumb political stunt by Trump. That's reality.

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This is going to get alot uglier. alot

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Bought and paid for by people like Sheldon Adelson. This is just terrible; it's like the US has been taken over by deranged monsters who want to destroy the world. It's almost beyond comprehension.

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Palestinian factions called for a "Day of Rage"

To these factions, a "Day of Rage" is any day that ends in the letter "y". . . .

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@texag To these factions, a "Day of Rage" is any day that ends in the letter "y". . . .

And that's OK? I think all Americans who think it's acceptable to increase tensions throughout the world, especially MENA, and further the growing risks of military conflict should drop whatever it is they're doing and join the military, or perhaps re-enlist. And being a paid member of the media should not be seen as equal to having served in the military on the front lines, or even in the rear with the gear.

Or do you want someone else's sons and daughters to do the fighting for you.

It's long passed time time for chicken hawks to see what war is all about, and for war lovers to re-experience their time fighting in someone else's country.

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Rationally and logically looking at this issue...

The people of any country determines its capitol city...

The rest of the world either recognizes it or not.., really does not matter...

To make it an issue out side of that country to begin with for what ever reason does not make sense...

Any country that is allowed to have an embassy in that country can place it where it prefers and wants to... unless of course refused by that country... or have specific areas designated by that country for that purpose...

To make it an issue also does not make much sense...

Sad when when these issues become physical confrontations...

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History shows that as long as Israel exists Hamas and other Palestinian groups will be in a rage. That is what Islamic supremacists do - rage.

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Israel should sanctioned and America should keep its big nose out.

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Israel should sanctioned and America should keep its big nose out.

Sanctioned for what? For deciding which of its own cities it will use as their capitol? That rule does not apply to any other country.

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This is just like the North Korean situation. Kim won't be happy until he runs the entire peninsula and the middle east will not be happy unless Israel is wiped out. This is just another excuse for Israel's opponents to promote violence.

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The intifada will go ahead and this will enable the Zionist supremacists to crush the Palestinian people even further.

Trump has done a wonderful job, inflicting degradation and humiliation on an already marginalised and brutalised people. Really getting the hang of the Great Satan mantle, which I thought had been put in mothballs.

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Israel should sanctioned and America should keep its big nose out.

Israel does what it wants because it has the backing of the US. But Trump's America is about to get a bloody nose, unfortunately.

This was all avoidable, of course. Tragic situation for all involved.

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Is West Jerusalem behind the 1967 borders which the current peace process is based on? Yes. Are the Palestinians demanding to get substantial parts of West Jerusalem back as part of a two state solution peace deal? No. Is Jerusalem the capital of Israel? Yes. Can East Jerusalem be the capital of a future Palestinian state? Yes. In the unlikely event that Israel gives up all of West Jerusalem in the peace process negotiations, can the US Embassy be closed and a new Israeli capital recognised. Yes. Is there already a US consulate in Jerusalem? Yes. Will the current consulate become the embassy?Probably.

With that in mind, can someone explain the logical basis for the controversy here? Or how it directly scuttles the peace process? I don't see it.

What it does do is severely weaken the hand of the Palestinians. They imagined that keeping a cloud of uncertainty over West Jerusalem would let them extract more concessions out of Israel. That bargaining chip has now been taken off the table, but it's one that the Palestinians should never have been allowed to play in the first place.

The Palestinians now see that the world can move on without them. Either they get back on the peace train and come to a reasonable settlement or the train leaves the station without them. It's an agressive way to do diplomacy but all other alternatives have failed. They have rejected so many reasonable offers over the decades.

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People will die, property will be damaged, and there will be no progress towards peace. All due to a dumb political stunt by Trump. That's reality.

There hasn’t been peace between Israelis and Muslims for over 2000 years, I doubt Trump or anyone will solve this, so yes, people will die as they’ve always have for the last 2000 years.

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There hasn’t been peace between Israelis and Muslims for over 2000 years, I doubt Trump or anyone will solve this, so yes, people will die as they’ve always have for the last 2000 years.

Islam is 1,400 years old. There weren’t any Muslims 2,000 years ago. The modern state of Israel is about 70 years old.

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There hasn’t been peace between Israelis and Muslims for over 2000 years,

See Jimizo's post.

I doubt Trump or anyone will solve this, so yes, people will die as they’ve always have for the last 2000 years.

The more the reason to inflame the situation. More dead people! Crazy, corrupt conservative compassion.

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@ Tommy Jones

The Israeli regime commits violence against the part of its population it denies residency and voting rights to without being encouraged by an American President, just like the regime that leant the english language a word for such regimes.

And if you take the time to read the reports about that violence (the Palestinian Center for Human Rights - pchr - organization maintains an archive of such reports on its website) you'll come away with a rage that will take a day or two of protesting to diminish, unless, of course, you share a trait with Richard Spencer and the Israeli regime.

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Islam is 1,400 years old. There weren’t any Muslims 2,000 years ago. The modern state of Israel is about 70 years old.

After 100, who’s counting? Even though the modern state of Israel is 70 years old, the fighting has been going on for a very, very long time and there’s no sign of it ending anytime soon.

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Even though the modern state of Israel is 70 years old, the fighting has been going on for a very, very long time and there’s no sign of it ending anytime soon.

The fighting has not been going on for a very, very long time.

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Richard:

I'm well aware of Israeli atrocities against Palestinians. Israel would not be able to perpetrate this level of violence without the backing of the US.

While Israel does not need encouragement to commit violence, moving the embassy does provide fodder for Islamic extremists.

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After 100, who’s counting? Even though the modern state of Israel is 70 years old, the fighting has been going on for a very, very long time and there’s no sign of it ending anytime soon.

Who have been fighting for a very long time? It seems you think Muslims were fighting Israelis before Islam existed and before the modern state of Israel existed.

A little more clarity would help.

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Palestinian factions called for a "Day of Rage" on Friday,

Hamas long ago used up its share of Days of Rage.

It has barely dipped into its pot of Days of Compromise.

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I can't see why a country that won't even declare its own borders should have any embassy in the first place.

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About Trump recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capitol:

What did the US get for that, again?

Oh, right.

Nothing.

Gee, that Trump guy, He can really negotiate.

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So Hamas calls for a Palestinian uprising. What exactly is new about that? Hamas actually has the destruction of Israel in it its constitution. Read it. If Hamas (and PLO for that matter) had accepted the existance of Israel, they might have a argument here. But all they are saying is that they will continue to fight against the existance of Israel, no matter what. Talk about a non-argument.

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After 100, who’s counting?

You. You said over 2,000 years.

If you want to use that logic, let’s talk about Trump’s millions of idiotic tweets.

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Now if someone had said that Muslims and Jews generally lived peacefully together for hundreds of years all over the Middle East, they would probably be correct.

If they said on the other hand that the enmity and fighting goes all the way back to the Philistines and the (newly-arrived from Egypt) Children of Israel in the Old Testament, or even further back to between the children of Abraham, they would probably be correct too.

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After 100, who’s counting?

Fail.

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C'mon Hamas, a day of rage? What on earth can that accomplish? Set the jaws of the trap tighter? Will the Palestinians rise up just because Hamas says so? Against who, Israel or Trump? Sounds like a waste of precious breath and precious words. Who will pay? Ordinary Palestinians will pay, with more death and injuries? Even those probably sound 'good' to Hamas.

Or more likely they will not rise up, and Hamas's political power to call for an uprising will have diminished a notch.

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Might be the first post of yours I’ve ever fully agreed with.

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Burning:

The first time we've been in lockstep.

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The Middle East has become relatively calm lately............

......... until the Jerusalem declaration

I still don't see how that's to the best interest of the US

How does the declaration advance the peace?

Is breaking the calm for the best interest of the US? (Unless maybe for the business of weapons?)

Can we please just answer this simple question of how?

At least if there's an answer to that, we can apply a reasonable context that it benefits the US

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What's the benefit to the US again? I keep forgetting.

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What's the benefit to the US again? I keep forgetting.

Republicans will get more AIPAC money, less for Dems.

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BurningBush: They've been living in what's essentially a massive concentration camp for the last 50 years.

Do you ever stop and consider who created the camp in the first place? The Palestinians and Arab nations will not accept just the territory provided by the UN and have started multiple wars in order to obliterate the state of Israel. These wars cause the Palestinians to lose territory because they are always defeated. The surrounding Arab nations, especially Jordan and Egypt, refuse to alleviate the humanitarian crisis from the wars and terrorism they helped create by resettling the Palestinians in their own countries. They find it more useful to increase the misery and use ‘concentration camp’ prisoners as human swords in their endless war against the existence of Israel.

The Palestinians are pawns in the Arab hate war against Jews. Just look at what they teach their elementary school children about Jews people.

The world has all but abandoned them.

That is an obviously untrue statement. In fact just about every nation in the UN, except America, are anti-Jew. And even America was undermining Israel during the Obama administration. The UN is always passing anti-Israel resolutions. How is that any sort of abandonment of the Palestinians?

They have no means to defend themselves or even demand their basic human rights.

Except of course the huge sums of money that flow in from Iran and other terror supporting states and wealthy individuals that is used to incite an asymmetrical war against Israel. The Islamic Supremacists idea of human rights is the elimination of Israel.

SuperLib: What's the benefit to the US again? I keep forgetting.

Israel is an ally of the US. The US Congress passed a law under President Clinton stating its intention to accept the fact that Jerusalem is where Israel’s capital exists. The Palestinians are on the side of Islamic Supremacy. Finally the status quo has failed to bring about peace - which is of course an undeniable fact.

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I think it is ridiculous to blame Trump for violence occurring in and around Palestine.

They have been fighting with eachother for some 3000 or 4000 years according to some sources.

What difference does it make if Trump recognizes the new capital.

Sorry but the people in that area just want to fight. They understand nothing but anger and bloodshed. They'll find ways to achieve that wherever the capital of Israel is.

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They will lose more land to Israel. The Muslims must accept the Jerusalem returned to rightful original owner.

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Wolf: Israel is an ally of the US. The US Congress passed a law under President Clinton stating its intention to accept the fact that Jerusalem is where Israel’s capital exists. The Palestinians are on the side of Islamic Supremacy. Finally the status quo has failed to bring about peace - which is of course an undeniable fact.

So what is the benefit to the US? I keep forgetting.

Of course the GOP base could just ask Trump that question, but if you're a good boy you'll keep your mouth shut.

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 The surrounding Arab nations, especially Jordan and Egypt, refuse to alleviate the humanitarian crisis from the wars and terrorism they helped create by resettling the Palestinians in their own countries.

Those early Palestinians should voluntarily figure up their land so the Israelis don't have to commit atrocities against them any longer.

They find it more useful to increase the misery and use ‘concentration camp’ prisoners as human swords in their endless war against the existence of Israel.

Funny how the two countries you named specifically - Jordan and Egypt - both have diplomatic relations with Israel.

Except of course the huge sums of money that flow in from Iran and other terror supporting states and wealthy individuals that is used to incite an asymmetrical war against Israel. The Islamic Supremacists idea of human rights is the elimination of Israel.

Which has clearly worked for the Palestinians as evidenced by nothing.

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The Islamist group Hamas urged Palestinians on Thursday to abandon peace efforts and launch a new uprising against Israel.

Said by every Hamas leader.

SuperLib - So what is the benefit to the US? I keep forgetting.

Wasn't this a campaign promise of Trump? Vote for me, and I'll move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

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Strangerland

Might be the first post of yours I’ve ever fully agreed with.

Same here.

Burning:

The first time we've been in lockstep.

Same

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