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Judges have tossed out several of the Trump lawsuits, and legal experts say the litigation has scant chance of changing the election outcome.

Trump seems to enjoy losing.

Earlier, the Trump campaign said it had evidence that a handful of dead people in Georgia had voted in last week's election.

But didn’t disclose the evidence, which means it’s in their heads instead of reality.

11 ( +21 / -10 )

Trump has declined to concede the election to Biden

Trump's unwillingness to concede is one more reminder that in his Trump-centric world his ego trump's the needs of the country.

Covid45 continues to kill and sicken Americans while Trump continues to do nothing about it, instead plays golf, tweets and watches TV.

That his Republican followers continue to support him reminds that with them it's party before country. Trump cult before country.

Xi, Putin, the 'royals' and other authoritarians applaud Trump in his ongoing attempts to undermine and further weaken the US republic, especially its democratic principles.

5 ( +16 / -11 )

If the electoral process is not certified by January 20th then Constitutionally it goes to a special vote whereby it's 1 State equals 1 vote.

Trump will have 25 votes, so will Biden.

In the event of a tie, the VP, Mr. Pence casts the deciding vote.

There is a path to victory, all Trump has to do is throw in a big wrench.

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as always - petulant, pathetic and totally deluded...

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f the electoral process is not certified by January 20th then Constitutionally it goes to a special vote whereby it's 1 State equals 1 vote.

Highly unlikely.

There is a path to victory, all Trump has to do is throw in a big wrench.

As opposed to being elected. Glad to see you hold democratic values in high regard. Are you even able to vote for the leaders in your own country?

15 ( +24 / -9 )

Since the election another One Million Americans have been infected with Covid.  In the same time period Trump has played golf twice and filed numerous with out evidence or basis court cases.  The man is beyond words.

11 ( +20 / -9 )

What a loser

8 ( +19 / -11 )

If the electoral process is not certified by January 20th then Constitutionally it goes to a special vote whereby it's 1 State equals 1 vote.

Trump will have 25 votes, so will Biden.

In the event of a tie, the VP, Mr. Pence casts the deciding vote.

It is nothing more than wishful thinking, like suggesting that the electoral college in the states Biden wins will not vote democrat. As you may know, the winner in each state (Dem or GoP) will appoint the elector, and there is a near zero chance that the elector will go against their party. Some states have laws that prevent electing outside the party.

The Michigan lawsuits have so far been laughed out of court because the GoP tried to admit hearsay as evidence, in the form of a post it note. The appeal was immediately rejected for multiple failures in the appeal.

Not too concerned with these lawsuits. Not only would the suit need to have evidence of fraud, but the fraud would need to have changed the result.

The only case of fraud that I have heard about was a NC man who voted his deceased mother's mail in ballot. It didn't change the election and will result in a criminal sentence.

Damn, is this the best the GoP has to offer? Smells like desperation.

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Oh, the NC man voted for the GoP.

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About 50% of my overseas customers have gone out of their way to express how happy they are that Joe Biden will be our next President. That is remarkable as I haven't discussed the election with them in the course of our business. The international community is looking for sanity and clarity in US leadership. Regretfully it has been greatly lacking these past four years and it has had some negative effect on international business.

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Burning Bush

If the electoral process is not certified by January 20th then Constitutionally it goes to a special vote whereby it's 1 State equals 1 vote.

You have your timelines wrong. If by January 20th there isn’t a final result in the race, the speaker of the House – likely probably Nancy Pelosi – would become the acting president.

But of course, the people have spoken, and they chose Biden, so all this is hypothetical.

11 ( +17 / -6 )

The Michigan lawsuits have so far been laughed out of court because the GoP tried to admit hearsay as evidence, in the form of a post it note. 

The lawyers should be sanctioned for filing a frivolous lawsuit. Either find an exception to the rule barring hearsay, or don’t waste the court’s time.

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It is true and clear that There is a huge manipulation in the mail ballot.

Cite to evidence, please.

Why Biden is not ready to talk about it? If there is nothing wrong then Biden should agree to double check the authenticity of mail ballot. 

Not unless there is actual evidence of fraud, which there isn’t yet. Otherwise it would be a huge waste of time and money.

7 ( +15 / -8 )

Trump never tires of losing. What a winner! Lol!

4 ( +13 / -9 )

The lawyers should be sanctioned for filing a frivolous lawsuit. Either find an exception to the rule barring hearsay, or don’t waste the court’s time.

Agreed.

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So far nothing Trump has been doing is gaining tracking in the courts. Most of the lawsuits are being thrown out.

In the end I think he will lose all of the challenges, but despite that something in the neighborhood of 50-70% of Republicans will believe the election was rigged anyway.

Its just the type of people they are.

9 ( +16 / -7 )

Loser! He's just prolonging HIS misery!

8 ( +15 / -7 )

If by January 20th there isn’t a final result in the race, the speaker of the House – likely probably Nancy Pelosi – would become the acting president.

If trump’s malarkey and tantrums resulted in this actually happening it would be the greatest own goal in the history of politics.

It’s a slim ‘nonzero’ chance but if we’ve learnt anything from trump supporters over the past week it’s that it’s nice to daydream.

4 ( +11 / -7 )

Theater of the absurd...

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Vice President Biden- final question for you...will you pledge not to declare victory until the election is independently certified?

Vice President Biden: “Yes.”

so who has independently certified this election? And no, there is no such thing as “the Office of the President-Elect” that he keeps saying he has.

-14 ( +9 / -23 )

Trump about to have the complete 2020 experience; catch the virus, lose his job, get evicted.

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Ultimately each state gets one vote based on the overall composition of their delegation in the House of Representatives.

more red states than blue, 1 vote each, Trump re-election under the Constitution.

but the courts and whistleblowers will handle this well before that.

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If trump’s malarkey and tantrums resulted in this actually happening it would be the greatest own goal in the history of politics.

Own goal? It's political darwinism.

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And no, there is no such thing as “the Office of the President-Elect” that he keeps saying he has.

Photo of Trump in 2016 showing him with his "Office of President-Elect" New York.

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/11/GettyImages-631495884-scaled.jpg

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Trump re-election under the Constitution.

Completely false.

As usual, you're reaching far to the right of the laws of America, the words of the Constitution and the patriotism required for democracy vs. the fascism promoted by Trump.

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Let a CNN liberal and ex-Obama WH guy explain it to you in 5 mins in a TED Talk.

From before election, when no one had any media brainwashing that Biden supposedly “won” something.

just the Constitution, man.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WZWRhLW7Y8w

-13 ( +7 / -20 )

Trump about to have the complete 2020 experience; catch the virus, lose his job, get evicted.

And lose Melania. She hasn't forgotten Trump's sexual misconducts.

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I believe Trump will lose this challenge.

@BobFosse

If trump’s malarkey and tantrums resulted in this actually happening it would be the greatest own goal in the history of politics.

What you have stated is quite interesting. I full agree with the first part. Trump is engaging in tantrums.

I have no issue with Trump challenging the election. My issue is the way he conducts himself which is more like a middle school kid than an adult politician in such a position of power. If he actually conducted himself like a leader I believe people would be less objective to his recount.

The person in charge of the Georgia elections has already came out and said he believes they will find fraudulant votes but not enough to change the outcome. Heck, even Tucker Carlson has said this and has acknowledged Biden will be the next President.

The final results of the election will come when all states ratify the results and then will be formally announced by the government around December 12.

Trump's final actions will certainly cement his legacy and not in a positive light and I have no issue with differing opinions with Trump (we just disagree on most issue). Obviously many here have very strong issues with Trump. In my case the biggest issue is his lack of leadership and the way he has presented himself and the way he has further divided a nation in dire need of leadership and unity.

History will not treat his Presidency well and most of it is his own fault.

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Help, I've run out of popcorn!

7 ( +10 / -3 )

5 mins in a TED Talk.

I saw a TED talk with a photographer in Japan who only talked of his own work and his own ego...who he photographed and just showed his portfolio. There was nothing inspirational nor educational, and quite a few talkers aren't particularly interesting people, they're quite the opposite. TED talks can be very enlightening but also can be a boring presentation of narcissism.

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but the courts and whistleblowers will handle this well before that.

Oh, you mean the whistleblowers that have recanted their statements? https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-fabricated-ballot-pennsylvania/2020/11/10/99269a7c-2364-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html

Maybe you mean the courts that are throwing out Donald's absurd lawsuits?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-06/trump-s-vote-count-lawsuits-fail-in-court-but-rouse-his-base

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-politics-virus-outbreak-campaigns-22665ea3884c47f883b416e4bd03bf54

8 ( +12 / -4 )

Biden is right about this guy being an embarrassment.

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The state governors call the election results and send the results to the US Archivist. The EC votes for the candidate who won in each state with the number of votes allocated to each state. That is the law in 47 states.

There is no independently certified election. Not now nor in the past.Courts will decide its actions on Trump applications according to the merits and evidence of each case.

Trump declared victory in 2016 three days after the election and within one week met Obama in the White House has President-Elect, even before the EC.

To date not a single Trump court case accepted.

Trump has almost given up doing the work of the president, according to staff in the White House.

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Oh you mean the guy who didn’t recant and taped the investigator conceding and threatening him?

who then released his own video saying he didn’t recant?

that guy? Your news is out of date and you have confirmation bias.

and I’m not even talk about the guy, but the signed affidavits in court filings. Hundreds of them.

Oh, you mean the whistleblowers that have recanted their statements?

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Ultimately each state gets one vote based on the overall composition of their delegation in the House of Representatives.

> more red states than blue, 1 vote each, Trump re-election under the Constitution.

The willingness of you and Burning Bush to override democracy on a pretext to get Trump back into power is quite remarkable (or would be if I thought that you had democracy's interests at heart).

What you forget, or perhaps never knew, is that the USA still has an independent judiciary, even if heavily Republican leaning and there is absolutely no way what you propose will ever stand a chance of getting through the courts.

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Biden is right about this guy being an embarrassment.

Yes, that's a presidential way to say Donald Trump is a loser!! And has been fired by the people of America!!

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That’s wonderful. Now did you see the one from Van Jones that I posted? The relevant one explaining how this works?

saw a TED talk with a photographer in Japan

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but the courts and whistleblowers will handle this well before that.

Yeah, by the weekend apparently:

See you in all in a couple of days after you lose Arizona and NC and AK are added to the Trump total. 

Will you get an extension on that?

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Trump is now to the point of obsession with filing as many frivolous cases he can because he is so desperate to remain in office; not because he cares one bit for America, but only about his ego. Even those in the GOP secretly are realizing that he lost, but won't want to say it publicly because they fear him.

Let's face it, the GOP is not the same as it was. The core values are gone. What once was a party of inclusion during the Reagan and Bush years, is now one of divisiveness. There is no bipartisanship. Is it any wonder that Trump only hired Republicans or kiss-ups to his staff? Presidents before him hired anyone qualified, whether they be Democrats or Republicans because they cared for the country first, before party and themselves.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

You do know it’s been TWO business days since the media announced Biden as the winner?

and yes, Alaska called for Trump and NC tomorrow the same. Arizona can’t seem to finish as Trump gets closer and closer.....

-10 ( +5 / -15 )

Just repeating what you said, couple of days... even gave you till the weekend

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Trump is no stranger to court cases.

"An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate."

Here Are All the Lawsuits the Trump Campaign Has Filed Since Election Day—And Why Most Are Unlikely to Go Anywhere.

https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/

There are not hundreds claimed by some.

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The depths this disturbed individual will go to deny the inevitable seems to have no end...

Perhaps he's just laying the foundation for an insanity plea for all the indictments and trials that are forthcoming...

5 ( +9 / -4 )

Trump has fired his Secretary of Defense and several other top officials in the Pentagon and filled them with his people. What is he planning?

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@Blacklabel

but the courts and whistleblowers will handle this well before that.

They are handling it! LOL!

Democrats on House oversight committee say worker retracted allegations in interview with investigators

US postal worker recants voter-fraud claims after Republicans call for inquiry – reports

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/10/us-postal-worker-recants-voter-fraud-claims-after-republicans-call-for-inquiry

“All four of the lawsuits that the Trump administration has filed in our state have been thrown out that I have been participating in,” explained Nevada Attorney General Aaron Ford. 

Judge Throws Out Trump Campaign’s Lawsuit Over Nevada’s So-Called ‘Late Night Coup’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-throws-out-trump-campaign-s-lawsuit-over-nevada-s-so-called-late-night-coup/ar-BB19gWe7

ByeDON 2020

10 ( +11 / -1 )

Trump has fired his Secretary of Defense and several other top officials in the Pentagon and filled them with his people. What is he planning?

He is the President, He can do what he wants.

-9 ( +4 / -13 )

Recount those votes! Recount those votes! I'll be super surprised if there's a sudden change in outcome numbers, but recount those votes!

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Blacklabel

Oh you mean the guy who didn’t recant and taped the investigator conceding and threatening him?

who then released his own video saying he didn’t recant?

Yes that same guy who signed an affidavit recanting his claims, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe an ongoing investigation.

So if you sign an affidavit and then say that you didn't recant, what do you think that does to your trustworthiness? The guy is a joke.

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You missed the latest update to this story. He didn’t recant, just the media wrote a story based on a false leak that he had. Oops.

US postal worker recants voter-fraud claims after Republicans call for inquiry – reports

-16 ( +1 / -17 )

so who has independently certified this election? And no, there is no such thing as “the Office of the President-Elect” that he keeps saying he has.

There’s also no such thing as Revolutionary War airfields, but you didn’t mind at all when Trump claimed there were.

Your news is out of date

and you have confirmation bias. 

Says the guy who was claiming yesterday that a court in NC ordered a redo of an election this year when it was the Board of Elections who ordered a redo last year.

11 ( +11 / -0 )

He is the President, He can do what he wants.

Fortunately not for much longer. But he will be a danger to the USA and democracy while he remains in office.

America's enemies are laughing into their vodka right now.

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Blacklabel

and I’m not even talk about the guy, but the signed affidavits in court filings. Hundreds of them.

And how many of these have had success in the courts?

The thing is, if you are fishing for evidence, rather than starting with the evidence, it doesn't go well in the courts.

Don is on a fishing trip. Unfortunately, he's only caught a couple of tiddlers that were too small and has had to throw them back...

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Fortunately not for much longer. But he will be a danger to the USA and democracy while he remains in office. 

That is correct, point being he is still the President, he can do what he wants.

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

As it was filed 2 days ago and yesterday was a national holiday, likely none. (Yet)

And how many of these have had success in the courts?

-11 ( +3 / -14 )

he is still the President, he can do what he wants.

Incorrect. No US President has ever had the power to do what they want, nor should they.

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Blacklabel

You missed the latest update to this story. He didn’t recant, just the media wrote a story based on a false leak that he had. Oops.

Actually, he did in fact recant. He signed an affidavit recanting his claims. The affidavit is evidence.

He later recanted the recant. :-)

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Trump emerged from his golf, sulk, and brood self-imposed exile to attend the Veterans Day ceremony at Arlington cemetery today...

He looked like a petulant, scolded two-year old as he glumly went through the motions...

He couldn't even put aside his selfishness to honor those who truly gave their all for their country...

I'm surprised he went at all - given he thinks they're all "suckers and losers"...

What a sick, disgusting excuse for a human being...

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We have to wait weeks to know who won! there will be court challenges, we will fight this with everything we have, get ready for it! blah blah that’s all I heard from the left.

Now media outlets on a weekend claim Biden won, its all done? Not by a long shot.

-17 ( +3 / -20 )

Blacklabel

Now media outlets on a weekend claim Biden won, its all done? Not by a long shot.

Actually, it is. The people have spoken and they chose Biden. Trump sulking won't change that.

But hey, it's great entertainment watching Trump supporters flailing around hoping that it isn't actually true. Please noooo....

I need some more popcorn.

9 ( +12 / -3 )

Go donate to Trump's legal slush fund and take a chill pill.

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@Blacklabel

Now media outlets on a weekend claim Biden won, its all done? Not by a long shot.

trump:

Make America Great Again!

President-Elect ByeDon:

We Just Did!

:)

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BlacklabelToday  09:19 am JST

Now media outlets on a weekend claim Biden won, its all done? Not by a long shot.

Your man Trump claimed victory for himself well before anyone gave it Biden.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Between the terrible handling of the pandemic and this classless act, Trump has shown that he really cares nothing about America, only himself. He is willing to take down the whole country to get his way. I thought Nixon was bad but he is a saint comparatively. Tricky Dick did his dirty deeds, got caught and left. This guy did his dirty deeds, got caught, kept on running, is not leaving and plans on keeping the country hostage for as long as possible until he gets his (fraudulent) way. This is like the worst soap opera ever written with the adult lead actor's part being played by a spoiled 12-year-old. Yet, his sycophants are still standing there supporting him. The Republicans should be ashamed but they have no shame just like their unqualified narcissistic leader.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

The echo chamber keeps the chirp going here doesnt it.

Let the process take its coarse thats all !

-5 ( +2 / -7 )

How fortunate for Georgia their Senate races aren't until January or else those would have to be doubted and re-verified as well.

9 ( +9 / -0 )

Let Trump have his day in court. Trust the legal system to work. If it turns out that the cases have no merit, then that is good for the country and congratulations to future President Biden. The system has to do its thing though, if only to reassure the public that they can trust their government institutions.

It is unseemly at the least for the media to push the "Trump must concede now" narrative. It makes them look tawdry and unreliable, especially given their track record in previous elections. This at least is one positive result of this election- the majority of the mainstream media has been exposed as partisan hacks who exist more to promote their pet political agenda than to inform the American public. They spent four years trying to deligitimatize the current administration and now they just want to say (in the voice of Gilda Radner from Saturday Night Live) "never mind"? Sorry, it is going to take a bit more than that.

-7 ( +1 / -8 )

Trump reminds me one of these dictators at the end of the road that when everything is lost they keep telling to themselves and their generals to don’t surrender and to stand their ground.

The US are a great democracy and the Donald must accept the fact that he lost.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

If the electoral process is not certified by January 20th then Constitutionally it goes to a special vote whereby it's 1 State equals 1 vote.

Trump will have 25 votes, so will Biden.

In the event of a tie, the VP, Mr. Pence casts the deciding vote.

There is a path to victory, all Trump has to do is throw in a big wrench.

Literally none of this is accurate.

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Trump is no longer talking to the media, including Fox News and is no longer doing the work of a president, mostly.

If the senate does not elect the new president with the EC then the House of Representatives decides who it is.

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As an independent, I think the Democratic Party are really doing some wicked Shenanigans to undermine our elections. They wanted everybody to mail in their ballots early then they want to extend the cut-off times for the votes. Seems like it gave them plenty of time before and after to manipulate data. I also believe media should never call an election until it is final. Projections and polls don't work anymore. The media makes it much worse than it really is.

-5 ( +4 / -9 )

During the campaign, Trump had refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.

The danger is from the Klan and its surrogate militias who stand firmly behind their ideological leader , trump.

I do fear we'll have to bring in the military and eliminate these terrorists before peace can be restored in America.

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It will if these people who “spoke” are dead or submitted illegal ballots. Or if their ballots received after the deadline or if the counting machines were rigged by invalid code.

It is absolutely hilarious that you think only Democrats cheat, when just yesterday you were claiming 2020 elections could be redone citing Republicans cheating, and subsequently invalidating, a house election in North Carolina.

This whole dead people schtick wasn't particularly clever when it was first rolled out, and now decades later if still isn't.

I didn't like Trump and I still don't, but I accepted the results of the 2016 elections. Republicans should grow up and do the same.

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@egads man!

How fortunate for Georgia their Senate races aren't until January or else those would have to be doubted and re-verified as well.

If the presidential election is in doubt then the Senate races should also be in question.

All those Democrats colluded in submitting 100's of thousands of fake ballots, but they only wanted to get rid of trump and not the Republican senators and House representatives.

Yeah, that is perfect trump cult logic!!!

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Give it up and take your lumps, chump.

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The courts are throwing out these baseless lawsuits , so all the GOP will have is trump and rudy's tantrums.

But the GOP has decayed so much, both ideologically and morally, they dont respect the courts any more.

I fear violence from the lawless thugs the GOP is setting loose in the streets.

We need to act fast and brutally to crush the bigots and their thugs.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

We have to wait weeks to know who won!

We already know, actually. "Diamond" Joe Biden won. I'm sorry that you're finding this difficult to accept. But facts don't care about your feelings.

And neither do votes.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

The hand recounting of nearly 5 million votes in Georgia will have greater margins of error than machine counting. How long will it take?

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Biden made the promise himself-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1miwDWst-IQ

Wallace, though it seemed like he was arguing with Trump a lot of the debate, knew how the Democrats roll by what the media says.

-8 ( +1 / -9 )

Attilathehungry

It is unseemly at the least for the media to push the "Trump must concede now" narrative. It makes them look tawdry and unreliable, especially given their track record in previous elections.

It's not unseemly at all. The only thing unseemly is that he hasn't conceded already. No other loser in modern times has refused to concede the election.

Now if there was evidence of fraud, it should be investigated. But there is none. He is fishing. He even telegraphed his intention to "find" evidence before the election. The sorry fact is that he can't admit to being a loser.

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Would that be the illegal votes too? Or just the legal ones?

No voter fraud took place. There will be no new election. Trump's piss-baby lawsuits are being tossed out of court because there is no basis to them.

Trump lost the election.

He's a loser.

You need to get a grip.

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@Simon Foston: What a lot of paranoid hypocritical crap. No wonder right-wingers are objects of contempt and decision. You disgrace your cause.

I find it odd to attack conservatives who wish to fight for their cause using the exact same tactics as those who defeated them in last week’s election. The Dems always bring guns to the knife fight. Republicans should stop being patsies and step up and play ball. Implant constitutionalists in the bureaucracy to protect the nation from those wishing to fundamentally change the Constitution. Attack and undermine the policies of the Harris/Biden administration. Go after Biden and his families crimes. The Dems have shown that is how you win elections. The Republicans are obligated to their country to defend the Constitution and obligated to work for their constituents. The media will not do the job for them. Claim the #resist hash tag as their own and get to work.

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

No other loser in modern times has refused to concede the election.

Al Gore took five weeks to concede. Trump has four more to go.

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Trump cultists, in three days: Trump is going to release the aliens from Area 51 to cause an emergency that will necessitate summoning Jesus, who will pronounce Trump as World King forever. This is all true and constitutional I read it on qanonsimps.com!!!! WHY WOn't tHE MEDiA REPORT THE ALIUMS!!!

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Al Gore took five weeks to concede. 

Al Gore had a meritorious suit.

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Experience proves some people can't get get over the past - and use it as a crutch for their failures in the present...

If Republicans do not learn from the past they are doomed to repeat it. But again, Dems never got over Trump winning in 2020 and did everything they could to undermine his governments legitimacy. The Russia collusion pushed by Hillary and never stopped by Obama and Biden when they caught wind of it was used to harass and ultimately impeach the president. Republicans should not shrink from using the same winning tactics used by the Democrats.

-12 ( +1 / -13 )

But again, Dems never got over Trump winning in 2020 

Trump lost in 2020, actually.

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Republicans are dripping with hypocrisy. I clearly remember back in 2016 and the 2018 midterms of Republicans complaining that Democrats should just suck it up and live with the results. Yet here we are and the shoe is on the other foot. Republicans should listen to their own advice back then. Don't undermine democracy by trying to win the election through the courts.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Not sure where to start with this one. Maybe it’s just one big typo?

Yeah... I was going to try but it really says it all itself.

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onedragon

As an independent, I think the Democratic Party are really doing some wicked Shenanigans to undermine our elections.

Why would you think that? What evidence has been presented to come up with that conclusion?

They wanted everybody to mail in their ballots early then they want to extend the cut-off times for the votes.

There is this thing called Covid-19. Seems like a great reason to have mail-in voting?

Seems like it gave them plenty of time before and after to manipulate data.

The thing is why would you think they would manipulate data? And you need more than time. You do realize that there are observers from the GOP and Dems.

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bass4funk

Democrats didn’t concede back in 2000 right away or in 2016, so Trump should fight on as well, even if he loses.

In 2000, it was a close race and the result was uncertain. In 2020 the result is not close at all. It has been clear for days.

In 2016, Hillary conceded the next day after a long night.

Trump should have conceded by now.

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Republicans are dripping with hypocrisy. I clearly remember back in 2016 and the 2018 midterms of Republicans complaining that Democrats should just suck it up and live with the results.

They never did and still don’t.

Yet here we are and the shoe is on the other foot.

For now.

Republicans should listen to their own advice back then.

Democrats didn’t listen, so it’s rather hilarious that liberals expect to fall in line when they didn’t for 4 years.

Don't undermine democracy by trying to win the election through the courts.

If that’s the case why is AOC angry that the Dems lost so many seas in the House and that they probably won’t get the Senate, it’s as you say democracy, so she should accept the results of the House and Senate as well. Biden will have a very short leash.

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Let Trump have his day in court.

Agreed.

Trust the legal system to work. If it turns out that the cases have no merit, then that is good for the country and congratulations to future President Biden. The system has to do its thing though, if only to reassure the public that they can trust their government institutions.

The issue with this is we’ve seen how Trump and his supporters react any time they lose in court: they attack the court as biased and/or corrupt. This does nothing to reassure the public that it can trust its government.

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bass4funk

If so then the Dems wouldn’t oppose any investigation whatsoever, they should and would want transparency and yet they don’t.

Sure! If Trump can show some evidence, then he can ask for an investigation. So far he doesn't have any evidence.

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They never did and still don’t.

So this excuses Republican hypocrisy?

If that’s the case why is AOC angry that the Dems lost so many seas in the House and that they probably won’t get the Senate, it’s as you say democracy, so she should accept the results of the House and Senate as well. Biden will have a very short leash.

This is irrelevant to republicans trying to win the election in the courts.

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If so then the Dems wouldn’t oppose any investigation whatsoever, they should and would want transparency and yet they don’t.

Ahhhh.....Transparency lol You mean like Trump releasing his tax returns? Maybe you mean like the State Department releasing how much money spent at Trump properties? Republicans don't care about transparency unless they can you attack Democrats.

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How long will it take? Until the GOP are satisfied they've won. Thus, it will take forever, which at this point appears to be their plan for staying in office until at least Dec 13, when the states certify results. Never mind that Biden still has enough votes to win without GA, AZ or NC even reporting, - he's ahead in 2 of them and 1.3% behind in NC w/3% still uncounted - plus he's 5 million votes ahead in the popular vote. 10 suits brought so far by the GOP alleging voting irregularities have been dismissed by judges as meritless or frivolous.

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The 'I take no responsibility ' trump will rattle and whine for a few more weeks , then tuck his tail and run.

He has a few prosecutions to worry about and all these acts are to distract people away from what's coming to him.

His stupid supporters, the klan and their militias, meanwhile be out on the streets spreading mayhem and violence. The next 2 months will be bad for America, but I hope it will lead to a peaceful 8 years after that.

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IF by any chance anyone here is interested in actual numbers:

https://everylegalvote.com/country

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When the strongman ruler of Belarus declared an implausible landslide victory in an election in August, and had himself sworn in for a sixth term as president, the United States and other Western nations denounced what they said was brazen defiance of the voters’ will.

President Aleksandr G. Lukashenko’s victory, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said last month, was “fraud.” Mr. Pompeo added: “We’ve opposed the fact that he’s now inaugurated himself. We know what the people of Belarus want. They want something different.”

Just a month on, Mr. Pompeo’s boss, President Trump, is now borrowing from Mr. Lukashenko’s playbook, joining a club of truculent leaders who, regardless of what voters decide, declare themselves the winners of elections.

That club counts as its members far more dictators, tyrants and potentates than leaders of what used to be known as the “free world” — countries that, led by Washington, have for decades lectured others on the need to hold elections and respect the result.

The parallel is not exact. Mr. Trump participated in a free and fair democratic election. Most autocrats defy voters before they even vote, excluding real rivals from the ballot and swamping the airwaves with one-sided coverage.

But when they do hold genuinely competitive votes and the result goes against them, they often ignore the result, denouncing it as the work of traitors, criminals and foreign saboteurs, and therefore invalid. By refusing to accept the results of last week’s election and working to delegitimize the vote, Mr. Trump is following a similar strategy.

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America is now so tin pot it's unbelievable. It has totally lost touch with reality, gone to the dogs. The Republican party has totally cowered, it's now the Trump conspiracy party and the nation has bought generations of Trump family meddling into it's system. You get what you deserve, stupid nation.

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@egads man!

How fortunate for Georgia their Senate races aren't until January or else those would have to be doubted and re-verified as well.

That is above @Blacklabel and Bjorn's heads. If the presidential election is in doubt then the Senate races should also be in question.

All those Democrats colluded in submitting 100's of thousands of fake ballots, but they only wanted to get rid of trump and not the Republican senators and House representatives.

Yeah, that is perfect trump cult logic!!!

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Sure! If Trump can show some evidence, then he can ask for an investigation. So far he doesn't have any evidence.

And yet, they are moving forward, if they didn’t they wouldn’t move forward, but anyhoo, it’s going to the SC.

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Question, what do you think Biden will do? You think he can magically stop the deaths? They will continue even under his Presidency, that’s a fact.

Backpedalling and diversion won’t get you out of this one.

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Blacklabel:. Actually, he did in fact recant. He signed an affidavit recanting his claims. The affidavit is evidence.

Sure, but you haven't told us if he is Republican or Democrat yet. I believe if we follow the "Blacklabel's guide to debate" then we can immediately disqualify his statements if he is a Trump supporter.

Heck, in the past you would throw out some guy's statements just because his wife once donated to the DNC.

So what's the situation here?

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@Bass

And yet, they are moving forward, if they didn’t they wouldn’t move forward, but anyhoo, it’s going to the SC.

Is that why all the other lawsuits in the other states were called meritless and frivolous then thrown out by the judges?

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Is that why all the other lawsuits in the other states were called meritless and frivolous then thrown out by the judges?

By liberals, Gee....wonder why? Lol

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If the presidential election is in doubt then the Senate races should also be in question.

Well, looks like the Dems won’t be able to overturn it as well. We both win, we both lose.

Yeah, that is perfect trump cult logic. I mean no logic!

Dems hypocrisy, yes there is no logic.

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@Bass

By liberals, Gee....wonder why? Lol

Proof please.....we are waiting!!! LOL!

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Trump: I lost because you cheated me. No way anyone beats me at anything fair and square.

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Its like watching a fish gasp for air.

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Betfair odds on Trump becoming president: 35/1 on Sat, 27/1 on Mon, 13/1 Weds, 9/1 today.

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It is very troubling but nor surprising that you would laugh at the deaths of 250,000 Americans

I never laughed, I’m laughing at what do you all think that Biden is going to do? More lockdowns, more mask wearing? Gandalf the White and can magically stop the deaths, wipe out virus?

in part due to the incompetence and selfishness of the current US president! TSK TSK!

Hmmm....Dr. Fauci praised Trump for doing a good job, his words, listen to the experts.

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If that’s the case why is AOC angry that the Dems lost so many seas in the House and that they probably won’t get the Senate, it’s as you say democracy, so she should accept the results of the House and Senate as well. Biden will have a very short leash.

There is a huge difference there. I don't follow AOC closely, but there mere fact that she is angry the Dems lost seats to Republicans in the house is NOT the same as her making up stories about fraud and arguing the results of those elections should somehow be reversed to let the Dems keep their seats despite losing the election.

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@jack o helen: Yet here we are and the shoe is on the other foot. Republicans should listen to their own advice back then. Don't undermine democracy by trying to win the election through the courts.

You are right, Dems should have gotten over their 2016 loss and agreed to cooperate with Trump in order to move the country forward. But instead they chose to #resist. And you know what? It worked! Republicans should not seek cooperation and pursue the same winning strategy. Undermine Biden from day one. Put unrelenting pressure by opposing everything- all cabinet nominees should get historically low levels of support from the opposition party. Don’t allow him any wins in Congress. Step up Senate investigations with the goal of taking the House in 2022 in order to impeach him. It’s not hypocrisy- it’s learning from your mistakes.

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I just saw you erase about 6 different posts from Numan while reading this article.

I like getting to the point.

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yawns baby Trump at his 13456th tantrum and counting. Got more babies joining the “child with emotional disorders” park: Pompeo, Grahams...

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“evidence of fraud”: granny Theresa saw a very suspicious man taking a vote from a pink envelope and put it in a box...Qanon certified LOL

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"a mountain of corruption & dishonesty"

Also known as ‘Mt. Trump’.

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Not just a loser but a pathetic loser.

Maybe Trump hasn't really had his serious meltdown yet.

He's mentally unhinged and has no business being president.

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More hypocrisy? Ivanka celebrates Trump winning in Alaska, but calls for recounts in states he lost in. Wow!

Sure, recount the states you lost in, but don't touch the ones you won in. Makes perfect sense. In Trump's world, if he wins, it was legit, but if he lost, it must be rigged. Imagine if everyone in the world thought that way.

In any case, Trump's cases are getting thrown out at a record pace because none of them have any real evidence at all.

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Sure, but you haven't told us if he is Republican or Democrat yet. I believe if we follow the "Blacklabel's guide to debate" then we can immediately disqualify his statements if he is a Trump supporter.

How dare you point out Blacklabel's hyper-partisan hypocrisy. How dare you.

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bass4funk

Everything, every business and every person he touches get ruined.

No, not the economy which he beat Biden on every level and every poll...

That's because he didn't touch the economy. He inherited it from Obama/Biden and said it was his.

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I just get the sense he knows he’s got serious legal problems when he isn’t protected by the office of president.

Self-preservation is a natural instinct.

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That's because he didn't touch the economy. He inherited it from Obama/Biden

Oh, so Obama cut taxes across the board, cut regulations had over a constant 4% GDP growth, cut capital gains tax, gave incentives to small businesses, supported fracking, gas and coal, had no idea Trump inherited all that from Obama. ROFL!

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We seem him as strong, stubborn, defiant and unrelenting

yep in his denials , now covid19 is spiking to record levels in Texas and Florida, almost 200000 cases a day in the US, and a soon to be ex president who really couldn't care less.

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but yeah, he won’t be going to prison,

oh youd better pray for a miracle then, NY prosecutors are coming and his presidential immunity ends on Jan 20, presidential pardons dont work on states crimes

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The good thing is, with Trump out of office the deaths continue to climb

What a disgusting thing to say.

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I just get the sense he knows he’s got serious legal problems when he isn’t protected by the office of president.

It's even worse than that for him. He also won't be able to sell his own access for millions of dollars via his Mar a Lago and Washington Hotel swamp centres. They'll struggle to take in money with him being yesterday's news. Ironically too, his abject failure to control the virus will affect them to even attract non-swamp customers.

And then of course once he is out of office his utility to Vlad (an authentic multi-billionaire) will be bigly diminished. He'll be discarded and the debts will be called in.

This isn't about Trump defending democracy / the electoral process etc. It's about him saving his own backside from financial and legal destruction.

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This gives you an idea of the obscene amounts Trump has earned from selling influence at his swamp properties and how much he stands to lose when he becomes yesterday's man.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/10/us/trump-properties-swamp.html

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