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U.S. prods Iran for talks to ease Gulf tensions; Tehran dismisses sanctions threat

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And I think they want to make a deal. And my deal is nuclear. Look, they're not going to have a nuclear weapon

We already had that. Now they are talking about enriching again. You took things in the exact opposite direction and you obviously have no plans to fix the situation you got us into.

And you're making Obama look like the greatest diplomat who ever walked the face of the earth. He got the job done. Why can't you?

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We already had that. Now they are talking about enriching again. You took things in the exact opposite direction and you obviously have no plans to fix the situation you got us into.

This is the crux of the issue. Donny shoots off at the mouth and gets us into these situations without any actual plan. He then blames the "the problem he caused on Obama and "fixes" it. The deplorables eat it up.

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The Deep State Neocons obviously want war with Iran, and they'll keep attacking tankers and sending drones into Iranian airspace until they get it.

The war will be long, protracted, ugly and devastating in terms of lives lost and expenditure to both sides, with there being only one clear winner... Israel.

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The Deep State Neocons obviously want war with Iran, and they'll keep attacking tankers and sending drones into Iranian airspace until they get it.

So we should just ignore Iran and allow them to attack any of our national interests?

The war will be long, protracted, ugly and devastating in terms of lives lost and expenditure to both sides, with there being only one clear winner... Israel.

I don’t know about all that......

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The Deep State Neocons obviously want war with Iran

Perhaps one of the 'deep state' factions does. If folks have been keeping up with recent movies, fiction and Internet sites they'd know the 'deep state' is so big now it's been divided into factions. Now splinter and rival 'deep state' factions recognize Russia backs Iran (global gas cabal brothers after all), and because that faction's been bought off by Russian oligarchs (looking at Trump admin staff like little Stephen Miller, Jared, Ivanka, and pols like Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, etal) they're getting paid more to try to stop war with Iran.

Trump's just waiting to see which faction offers the best deals to him.

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I don’t know about all that......

Sure. Just look at the two wars Bush II started. Iran is far more militarily sophisticated than Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Trump's way of thinking is to cause a rapid escalation of tensions through unlawful sanctions or other form of provocation in order to make the other side want to negotiate with him, then he "agrees" to negotiate, and signs some sort of a deal that makes him look like hero.

He did the same with Mexico and NAFTA. First he escalated the tensions between the two countries, then he pretended to have negotiated a better deal which he praised as the greatest deal ever negotiated in the history of the world, when in fact the new deal he negotiated was literally 99% identical to the previous one.

He did the same thing with North Korea.

He is doing the same thing with China and Iran right now.

Increasing tensions is what the neocons want, so he is giving them what they want to keep them satisfied for the time being hoping the other side will cave in and come to negotiate with him. I am afraid this tactic might backfire when it comes to Iran.

I had some hope for Trump at first, but the more i observe this man the more confident i get that his obsession with image and reputation will not allow him to do what is right for the US and the world. He is ultra sensitive to his image. He is driven by a strong urge to appear good and heroic. He wants to "re-negotiate" every deal just so he can put his name on the new deals, even if their content is the same. He wants to be seen as a great winner. And this drive has put him in a corner when it comes to the US economy, because on one hand, he claims the economy is booming, this is the greatest economy ever, but on the other hand, his administration is urging for more stimulus and a new doze of QE, those are all measures for a weak economy. The deficits are also highest they have ever been, homelessness is increasing, and there are a bunch of other indicators that proves the economy is not booming at all. Trump probably knows this, but he needs to maintain the narrative and the lie that it is.

He is a very rich businessman, he didn't need to become a president, and at his age, he could've afford to take some bold and necessary measures that will benefit the economy, even if knowing he will become very hated and will never get re-elected, but his obsession with being seen as a great winner makes him do what every other president did, which is make things worse and keep kicking the can down the road.

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One should always look at it from the perspective of orange man's ego. What feeds it and how can it feed his personal gain. There was already a deal / treaty in place. He tore it up because it was "Obama's deal." He can't stand Obama by the way unless you haven't noticed. Mexico pay for the wall deal? Nada. NK deal? Nada. Repeal, replace ACA? Nada. Aaaah, he has succeeded in one, the tax cut deal. One problem though, that one was for him, not the populace. So, he needs a deal for the art of the deal guy. Create a crisis, and try to strike a deal and make yourself look like a compassionate but tough guy all for the election. It's all in plain sight, this guy reads like a cartoon.

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Wonderful cap in the picture.

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Israel’s fingerprints are all over the USA’s moves on Iran. Exactly the same ones followed by the George W (Weapons of Mass Deception) Bush administration’s mindless war on Iraq.

As a U.S. citizen living in the USA, I am aware that it is unacceptable to criticize U. S. Middle East Foreign Policy or criticize Israel’s occupation of neighboring lands and the push for Greater Israel.

It is highly hypocritical for the U.S. to aid and abet Israel’s illegal nuclear ambitions while taking a warlike approach to Iran.

The farcical current occupant of the White House, who is controlled by the warmongers in Occupied Jerusalem, continues to make a complexly dangerous situation even worse.

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Take that dumb hat off already

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Wonderful cap in the picture.

Do you know whether it was made by one of Ivanka's brands in China, or did Trump have it made by one of his own Chinese, Mexican, Indonesian or Bangladeshi manufacturers?

Given US taxpayers pay for his golf games and all other costs when Trump's at one of his properties, I wonder if he also had the hat paid for by taxpayers, and if so how much he charged.

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Or the hat was made in the USA and American workers were paid to manufacture it. Like anything else, there are Chinese “knockoffs” to be found.

Look in your house and see how many things are made in the countries you listed. If it bothers you, throw those away and buy American. The Trump economy thanks you.

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Ok, now back to the real world. Iran is not Iraq, Bush is not Trump, you don’t have a weak Obama in office and you have a calculating methodical President. Now either you want a war or not, so which is it. You either want an apologist or someone that fights back.

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“Uniqlo has been manufacturing in Bangladesh since 2008, though the majority of its production takes place in China”

oops.

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The American backing of the Shar of Persia and his brutual secret police held to the revolution in 1979 which in turn lead to the American hostage crisis. Trump's withdrawal from the workable nuclear deal has caused the current crisis. America has meddled in Iranian politics since the 1950's. Israel is the country to but pressure on Trump for the withdraw. More Iranians support their government than Americans theirs.

Both Saudi and Iran are brutal and barbaric countries which puts them at odds with the standards of the west.

The senate has voted against selling weapons to Saudi so probably Trump will use his veto if he still wants to sell them.

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Uniqlo has been manufacturing in Bangladesh

I have yet to read about Uniqlo pushing America-first propaganda.

But I've heard Trump say it many times.

Something about doing what he says, not what he - and his family - do.

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Let's just get this out of the way now. Mike Pompeo was never taken seriously in DC and he is not competent to even have a seat in the room, much less at the table when it comes to foreign policy. Good God, when will this nightmare be over?

MAGA: Morons Are Grifting America

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"I'm not looking for war," 

Then you need to have your pit bulls Pompeo and Bolton on a tighter leash.

"Neither Iran nor any other hostile actor should mistake U.S. prudence and discretion for weakness. 

Their growling and yapping is starting to annoy.

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you have a calculating methodical President. 

Good one.

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This is all so absurd. There was a deal in place. If there were any problems with it, they could have been negotiated from that starting point. Instead, Trump pulls out and spoils everything.

This is Trump’s mess now. He owns it.

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"I reiterated the UK's assessment that Iran almost certainly bears responsibility for recent attacks on tankers in the Gulf of Oman," and called for such activity to stop, Murrison said

And what is the assessment ?

The World is not that Dumb as this fool thinks.

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Meanwhile, Iranian lawmakers chanted "Death to America" during a parliament session on Sunday. The chants, often repeated since the 1979 Islamic revolution which toppled the U.S.-backed Shah, were heard weeks after Trump said in a U.S. television interview: "They (Iranians) haven't screamed 'death to America' lately."

C'mon. "Death To America" is just the Iranian version of "Drain The Swamp." Doesn't mean a damn thing.

Meanwhile, keep the doors open. Dialogue, dialogue, and keep your finger off that red button.

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It's the 80s revival that keeps on giving. The propaganda machines chugging out the same old rubbish to get the people riled up. In both countries.

The Great Satan welches on the deal, goads and threatens and gaslights until Iran lashes out, thus clearing the way for an all out war.

But Iran is a big, big country. And a conflict with it could last a long time, with many, many casualties. And it is not Iraq.

But the hawks want war. Nevermind the losses, the refugees, the possibilty of another ISIS.

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Doesn't mean a damn thing.

It doesn't mean a damn thing when you're not producing plutonium.

When you're producing weapons grade plutonium, sudden you've just converted from being a 'challenge' to an 'extreme threat', not at just those who you directly threatened, but to the world.

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There was a deal in place

But it's not binary is it? It has been highly fluid, that was the advice given to Obama before he scrapped sanctions, and the record says the advisors were right, give Iran resources and it will flow straight to Iran's proxies, and there will be more widespread, prolonged conflicts.

The only binary equation is: Does Iran want nuclear weapons or prosperity? Everything else is fluid, you can't ignore history.

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When you're producing weapons grade plutonium, sudden you've just converted from being a 'challenge' to an 'extreme threat', not at just those who you directly threatened, but to the world.

And who's responsible for starting this particular chapter in US-Iranian relations?

Was it Iran, motoring along and abiding by the terms of the 2015 agreement to limit nuclear production, which everyone including the UN inspectors said was the case?

Or was it the US administration, unilaterally withdrawing from said agreement, imposing sanctions and issuing threats to all and sundry, including its allies, if they didn't go along with it?

Do you just expect the Iranians to roll up in a ball and give in to the USA, a country with a history since the 1950s of interference in their affairs?

The US has only itself to blame. Trouble is, they take the rest of us along with them.

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The major threat to the World at the moment is the idiot that in sitting in the white house.Iran was doing just fine until numb nuts came along and screwed it all up...thanks trumplets..

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which everyone including the UN inspectors said was the case?

They don't know anything. Trump is the only one who is smart enough to inspect the nuclear production facilities in Iran. In fact, he's so smart, he doesn't even need to go or see it. He's like Santa, he knows if you've been bad or good.

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Let's just get this out of the way now. Mike Pompeo was never taken seriously in DC

By the Democrats, no he hasn’t, but then again, it doesn’t matter.

and he is not competent to even have a seat in the room,

Really? Says who?

much less at the table when it comes to foreign policy. Good God, when will this nightmare be over?

Perhaps Susan Rice would be better at foreign policy of Joe Biden. ROFL!

MAGA: Morons Are Grifting America

So we should dispose of the Democrat party? I’m all in!!

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The Great Satan welches on the deal, goads and threatens and gaslights until Iran lashes out,

Not exactly, but the deal was bad, so it was a good thing.

thus clearing the way for an all out war.

Iran is not stupid, I really don’t think so.

But Iran is a big, big country. And a conflict with it could last a long time, with many, many casualties. And it is not Iraq. 

Depends

But the hawks want war. Nevermind the losses, the refugees, the possibilty of another ISIS.

No one wants a war, how absurd, we don’t want a nuclear Iran.

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No one has granted them a hunting license in the Middle East," Bolton said during a visit to Israel.

Bolton,s arrogance i sky high really....who annointed neocons to be the ones to " grant " or not anything ?

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Not exactly, but the deal was bad, so it was a good thing.

Why was the deal bad?

Iran is not stupid, I really don’t think so.

So just Trump is stupid. Good, we agree on something.

Depends

No, because we can't just nuke the country. A war with Iran would be long, and deadly.

No one wants a war, how absurd, we don’t want a nuclear Iran.

You're captain's team does. Bolton and Pompeo both want to start a war with Iran.

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No one wants a war, how absurd, we don’t want a nuclear Iran.

If you truly didn't want a nuclear Iran, you wouldn't have cheered Donny ripping up the agreement that prevented it and then trying to choke its economy.

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Can't argue with liberals. They're still blaming Trump for Obummer's mess!

Good one! Except it's completely inaccurate.

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Ok, now back to the real world. Iran is not Iraq, Bush is not Trump,

you don’t have a weak Obama in office and you have a calculating methodical President. Now either you want a war or not, so which is it. You either want an apologist or someone that fights back

Irrelevant to Iran not being a cake walk if we go to war with it.

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The major threat to the World at the moment is the idiot that in sitting in the white house

Nooooo, the major threat to the world is the Deep State trying to start another war. Most likely John Kerry is involved. Good thing we have Trump in the White House who said not so fast!

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Nooooo, the major threat to the world is the Deep State trying to start another war. Most likely John Kerry is involved. Good thing we have Trump in the White House who said not so fast!

Lol, really? How are the recent events escalating towards war the far lefts fault? Pretty sure every decision made has been Trump. Or are you saying that Trump is incompetent and being pushed around and ordered by the far left?

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Why was the deal bad?

The whole neighborhood will race to go nuclear. This deal most likely will accelerate nuclear proliferation. Because if regional powers feel threatened by the possibility of Iran getting a weapon and the penalty for producing nuclear weapons decreases, then why wouldn’t they?

**Tehran gets to keep its vast nuclear infrastructure and its missile program.**  And the promises from Iran only confirm the obvious: that the regime definitely has nuclear-weapons ambitions. After all, why have a massive ballistic-missile program and secret military nuclear facilities if the plan isn’t to build nuclear weapons?

Sanctions relief will make the region far less safe. The sanctions relief and the renewed ability to sell more oil on the open market could wind up bringing $300-400 billion into the Iranian economy, bolstering the Iranian government. Essentially, this means the deal will pay for undermining U.S. policy and interests throughout the region.

The deal is temporary, by design. Even the White House doesn’t claim it will permanently keep Iran from getting a bomb. So, what’s the point?

https://www.myheritage.org/news/4-reasons-why-the-iran-deal-may-be-the-worst-diplomatic-decision-in-history/

So just Trump is stupid.

According to the Democrats, but what do they know, they can’t even pass their socialist agendas through legislation and it’s been now what....since January that they’ve been in power and the only thing they whine about is “collusion and Russia” no that’s not only stupid, but a complete embarrassment.

No, because we can't just nuke the country. A war with Iran would be long, and deadly.

Actually, we could, we have that capability.

You're captain's team does. Bolton and Pompeo both want to start a war with Iran.

You had a detailed conversation with both men, that’s what they told you?

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bass4funk: You either want an apologist or someone that fights back.

"I believe Putin."

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If you truly didn't want a nuclear Iran, you wouldn't have cheered Donny ripping up the agreement that prevented it and then trying to choke its economy.

No, I cheered him on because it was a crap deal and No one told the Iranians to have a meltdown and go back to enriching uranium, that was a decision they decided to go with so they want to start something they just can’t handle. Either way, it’s done, not going back to that and the only thing Iran can and should do is denuclearize, if not, the new sanctions will go into effect and really start squeezing the Iranians dry and as long as they don’t attack us first, war won’t happen.

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I guess in that case, he's not accomplished anything then. Good or bad.

Beg to differ...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

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bass4funk: https://www.myheritage.org/news/4-reasons-why-the-iran-deal-may-be-the-worst-diplomatic-decision-in-history/

Is your entire case built on this blog post from 2015? You keep posting it over and over again.

This is all just speculation before the deal really effect. For example, the main point is about "The whole neighborhood will race to go nuclear." That never happened. The writer was proven wrong.

Tell me, if the deal was so bad, what did Trump and the GOP keep it in place for so long after gaining power?

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Actually, we could, we have that capability.

Having the capability does not mean we can. And Nuking them justifies them to build nuclear weapons. Doubt the rest of the world would agree with the US either if they did this. You aren't thinking things through.

You had a detailed conversation with both men, that’s what they told you?

SO you had a detailed conversation with both men and they told you that they didn't want war?

The whole neighborhood will race to go nuclear. This deal most likely will accelerate nuclear proliferation. Because if regional powers feel threatened by the possibility of Iran getting a weapon and the penalty for producing nuclear weapons decreases, then why wouldn’t they?

**Tehran gets to keep its vast nuclear infrastructure and its missile program.**  And the promises from Iran only confirm the obvious: that the regime definitely has nuclear-weapons ambitions. After all, why have a massive ballistic-missile program and secret military nuclear facilities if the plan isn’t to build nuclear weapons?

Sanctions relief will make the region far less safe. The sanctions relief and the renewed ability to sell more oil on the open market could wind up bringing $300-400 billion into the Iranian economy, bolstering the Iranian government. Essentially, this means the deal will pay for undermining U.S. policy and interests throughout the region.

The deal is temporary, by design. Even the White House doesn’t claim it will permanently keep Iran from getting a bomb. So, what’s the point?

Is there anything in here that isn't hypothetical, and can be proven. Nope. But now thanks to Trump, Iran is getting nuclear! What a deal.

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Beg to differ...

Great, and here is a short list of some of his failures. Not sure what you hope to prove. Funny how his "accomplishments" are all listed as failing later on here too.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/dnc-list-110-trump-failures-at-2-year-mark-only-getting-worse

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I have CNN on cable (not my choice, came with the package) and watch it for breakfast. 100% Trump Derangement Syndrome, 100% of the time.

Now looking a this site, I can almost say the same.

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Now looking a this site, I can almost say the same.

Does it make you feel good to tell people they are sick?

Not really sure what you mean, I don't see why its a disease to disagree with the policies of Trump. Does that mean all the republicans have ODS? Obama derangement syndrome? I don't think so, but according to you, it does.

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According to the Democrats, but what do they know, they can’t even pass their socialist agendas through legislation and it’s been now what....since January that they’ve been in power and the only thing they whine about is “collusion and Russia” no that’s not only stupid, but a complete embarrassment.

Never mind that Turtle McConnell has over 100 bills passed by the House sitting on his desk.

No, I cheered him on because it was a crap deal

Never mind thstbit limited capacity and level of uranium enrichment and put inspectors in Iranian facilities.

and No one told the Iranians to have a meltdown and go back to enriching uranium, that was a decision they decided to go with so they want to start something they just can’t handle

Donny ripping up the agreement and trying to choke their economy is why they went back to enriching uranium.

They handled our drone nicely. Donny backed down in the face of the challenge. Seems your analysis of Iran is way, way off.

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bass4funk

So we should just ignore Iran and allow them to attack any of our national interests?

What American interests?

The whole neighborhood will race to go nuclear.

Who elected America to decide which country should have nuclear weapons or not. That should at least be a UN decision not an American one.

The area is already nuclear. Israel has a reported more than 200 nuclear warheads and refuses any inspections or to sign any treaties. Saudi probably has one or two Pakistan nuclear bombs in return for financing it. Pakistan and India both have nuclear weapons.

Russia and China who are supporting Iran and Syria also have nuclear weapons. So the only major country without actual weapons is Iran.

The nuclear deal prevented that from happening but with the Trump withdrawal that's back on their table.

Trump has no support for a war against Iran. Congress voted against Trump selling weapons to Saudi. Saudi couldn't provide much support for a war. Same as Israel.

Trump would need the support of the European allies and the UN which don't be happening.

Congress will not agree to a war.

Iran is a massive sized country, 17th in the world and makes it impossible for an America land invasion. No war can be won with a land invasion.

The current situation created by Trump is also the effect of America meddling in Iran since the 1950's.

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So Trump the disrupter has caused problems with NK without any change or end to thir nuclear program.

Disruption with China over trade tariffs and the American soy farmers at angry with him for a massive loss in their China exports.

Disruption with Russia. Relationships at the lowest since the era of the cold war.

Disruption with NATO partners.

Disruption with EU countries.

Disruption with Japan.

Disruption with Britain and meddling with the Brexit process, the conservative party leadership and personal insults against the Muslim London mayor Khan.

Disruption with the Palestinians.

Disruption with Iran.

Disruption with Mexico first agreeing a new trade agreement and before it even comes into force threatens tariffs against it.

Disruption with India.

I probably missed quite a few more.

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The US DID negotiate and agree to a deal with Iran. Trump pulled our of the deal. Easy solution; remove sanctions and got back to the deal as agreed to by many other nations. No need for more talk.

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Deadforgood:

Great, and here is a short list of some of his failures. Not sure what you hope to prove. Funny how his "accomplishments" are all listed as failing later on here too.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/dnc-list-110-trump-failures-at-2-year-mark-only-getting-worse

I looked up the page, and unsurprisingly, it is a compilation of fake claims, either consistingof political talking point outright false statements. One has to be a fanatic partisan to take this at face value.

For those of us who are not CNN believers, it is kind of amazing that there is a large part of the population who actually consumes this propaganda uncritically.

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This fiasco was totally unnecessary. Trump wanted to show his base, the globe and even allies that he and the US are great and can do as they please, including tearing up previously agreed to agreements. The result has been that even more nations don't trust the US and that any commitment entered into with the US is not worth the paper it is written on.

The Western Wimps need to send the US the message that its days of global dictatorship are coming to an end and they will not support the US into any more wars aimed at maintaining US domination.

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For those of us who are not CNN believers, it is kind of amazing that there is a large part of the population who actually consumes this propaganda uncritically.

Went kind of cold. My guess they’re waiting for their talking points.

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@BigYen

I've only responded to your comment that Iran's threat "doesn't mean a damn thing"

... and you go off starting new arguments on these?

"who's responsible for starting this particular chapter in US-Iranian relations?"

"...Iran, motoring along and abiding by the terms of the 2015 agreement..."

"...US administration, unilaterally withdrawing from said agreement..."

"Do you just expect the Iranians to roll up in a ball..."

These are topics I would gladly debate with you, on first principle.

So again, to get back on track, I'm saying, Iran and others can make all the threats in the world...the world will just see it as a challenge, but threats + pursuit of nuclear weapons = a real threat, and it means something (to people who care about the state of the world).

Here's a country (or specifically, leadership of a country) that has chosen possession of nuclear weapons over its own prosperity, mop the floor with that.

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@BigYen

So here's the debate on:

"who's responsible for starting this particular chapter in US-Iranian relations?"

How far do you want to go back, it's an entirely fluid situation. For me, the moment Iran threaten its neighbours with 'annihilation' AND pursue nuclear weapons, is the moment the world should become interested in Iran as a real threat. If you disagree with this, clarify how you would deal with 'threat' + 'nuclear weapons'.

There was sanctions in place just for this. It would have starved Iran or resources and force them back to the negotiating table. The goal is to make Iran properous and the world safer. Obama scrapped the sanctions, and entered into a deal where, IF Iran continue to pursue nuclear weapons (albeit slower and less in quantity), they would still be in compliance, AND if they renegged, there were no remedy, AND if the world was to try and reimpose sanctions it would mean giving Iran time, and money to pursue their objective of having nuclear weapons nevertheless, as you can currently see is the case.

It isn't binary, it is entirely fluid, until Iran give up the idea of possessing nuclear weapons.

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@BigYen

Here's the debate on:

"...Iran, motoring along and abiding by the terms of the 2015 agreement..."

No one dispute Iran wasn't motoring along. Straight out of Trump's mouth, the terms/deal was a 'dumb deal'. It did not stop Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons, the deal was ONLY to reduce, and slow down. Meanwhile all sanctions were lifted. One way deal, AND when Iran started to fund its proxy in conflicts, there was no mechanism for remedy either, damn if you do, damn if you don't situation.

Stupidly dumb deal. That is Trump's contention.

Clarify why you think it wasn't a dumb deal without ignoring the fluidity of the situation and all the conflicts Iran has fueled since sanctions were lifted and they got their $100 billion held in escrow.

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@BigYen

Here's the debate on:

"...US administration, unilaterally withdrawing from said agreement..."

Given sanctions was an essential part of the deal, and lifting sanctions resulted in Iran funnelling money to its terrorists proxies, wouldn't you see that as not in keeping with the terms of the deal? Even if you don't think so, consider:

Obama entered into the deal in the final days of his presidency despite warnings from his own advisors. Trump is from the opposing administration, he shouldn't have to deal with Obama's mistake. Now I'm not saying this is why Trump pulled USA out of the deal, I'm just saying I agree with what he said, it's a dumb deal.

Consider also, Iran said they will stick by the deal (to get the other signatories to put pressure on USA), only to later say they've quadrupple enrichment activities and will soon breach the limit. Which version do you want to believe? Iran has demonstrated, they will breach any deal if and when it suits them. Fluidity...

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Is your entire case built on this blog post from 2015? You keep posting it over and over again.

Yes, because liberals need to know that the mirage that the deal was good or working was a complete farce.

This is all just speculation before the deal really effect.

Yes, liberals always like to wait until the doo doo gets too thick and you can’t do anything to fix or AKA: yellow-bellied.

For example, the main point is about "The whole neighborhood will race to go nuclear." That never happened. The writer was proven wrong.

Had the Democrats their way, it would have come to that.

Tell me, if the deal was so bad, what did Trump and the GOP keep it in place for so long after gaining power?

If it’s good as Democrats say it is, then why would the GOP dump it in the garbage?

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@BigYen

and here's the final one...

"Do you just expect the Iranians to roll up in a ball..."

Of course not, the world (not just the USA) has been very clear on this, it expects Iran to give up its nuclear ambition, particularly since as it already made threats to annihilate its neighbours before hand.

Nothing about rolling up into a ball. If anything, it offers Iran prosperity beyond its wildest imagination, just look at other arab states, have a stop over in Dubai next time you fly and see how good it can get.

Instead, Iran has chosen to pursue nuclear weapons as a priority over all else. You'd have to wonder the motive of a nation that values nuclear weapons over all else.

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Great, and here is a short list of some of his failures.

That’s the short list, I get it, but the positive list is much longer. So to call the President a failure in any capacity is just floating on helium.

The US DID negotiate and agree to a deal with Iran. Trump pulled our of the deal.

Thank God!

Easy solution; remove sanctions and got back to the deal as agreed to by many other nations. No need for more talk.

Yes and we should rebuild the Berlin Wall while we’re at it. Smh.....

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This fiasco was totally unnecessary. Trump wanted to show his base, the globe and even allies that he and the US are great and can do as they please,

We can at the same time, the ones that hate us, always need us, our money, so No one can stop that, not even the Chinese, nor do they want it any other way.

including tearing up previously agreed to agreements.

If they are unproductive, they should be torn....torn to shreds.

The result has been that even more nations don't trust the US and that any commitment entered into with the US is not worth the paper it is written on. 

Yeah, heard that before and yet, they always come back, always.

The Western Wimps need to send the US the message that its days of global dictatorship are coming to an end and they will not support the US into any more wars aimed at maintaining US domination.

What? Oh...lol!

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Mike Pompeo was never taken seriously in DC and he is not competent to even have a seat in the room, much less at the table when it comes to foreign policy. 

That statement has no basis in reality.

I personally sleep better knowing that we have at least a slightly lower chance of nuclear war with Trump at the helm than most of the presidents we've had. He's handled Iran perfectly. By his decision not to go ahead with killing 150 Iranians because they downed an unmanned plane, he might just have saved the world from nuclear war and he's not going to get any credit for it.

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Uhm, not always.

Most of the time.

The UN is still completely against what the US is preparing to do in Iran.

As if we cared what the U.N. thinks, now you’re being funny! Lol

Don't see them changing their minds any time soon either. IF Trump declares war on Iran, the US isn't going to have much help outside of Israel and the UAE.

Good enough, might be even better actually.

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he might just have saved the world from nuclear war and he's not going to get any credit for it.

credit for what!? diffusing a situation he instigated, can't go to nuclear war if your adversaries dont have nukes yet, more dramatisation by the Trumpophiles

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So Trump has no backing from anyone on a strike against Iran. Congress members oppose. Even the republican party oppose. The majority of Americans oppose. The UN opposes. The European allies oppose. Heck, even the Pope opposes. Donny would be out for a duck he can't win and already it's predicted at the next election he's already down 5 million votes, which would still give him a win but greatly reduced popular vote. Even the soy farmers oppose.

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Trump said on Friday that he called off a military strike to retaliate for Iran's downing of an unmanned U.S. drone out of concern it would have been a disproportionate response. "I'm not looking for war," Trump said

This situation is like the old western gunslinger movies where you had the bad guy picking on the weak guy. He'd throw a gun on the ground and say 'Pick it up. Go on, pick it up'. And as soon as the weak guy picked it up he'd be shot dead and the bad guy would say 'Well you saw him. He had a gun. He was threatening me.'

It's the same thing here. Trump says he really doesn't want to have a war with Iran but the US has at least 40 military bases surrounding Iran in neighboring countries. Then Trump and Co go and put a fleet of warships in the gulf and top it off with 2 highly suspicious incidents taking place in the past week or so. Then they announce 'significant' sanctions on the country so the general population, not the leadership, will have a hard time of it.

But Trump says he doesn't want war, the US just wants to do the right thing and "keep American interests and American people safe all around the world" while Pompeo promises that the US is "prepared to negotiate with no preconditions". If anyone can't see that this is no different to simple high school bullying tactics and supports the US government's position of sanctions and military action then they are part of the problem.

http://socioecohistory.x10host.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/USA_military_bases_surrounding_Iran_What_if_opposite.jpg

As someone once said "How dare they put their country so close to our military bases".

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By his decision not to go ahead with killing 150 Iranians because they downed an unmanned plane, he might just have saved the world from nuclear war and he's not going to get any credit for it.

Yea, why would anyone give him credit for diffusing a situation he created in the first place. This is stuff you do to toddlers to help enforce their self esteem. NOT men in their late 70's...

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he might just have saved the world from nuclear war and he's not going to get any credit for it.

Wow! straight off some crazed blog somewhere. Certainly stretching your imagination today.

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I don't see anything on Trump's list of accomplishments that I benefit from as an American citizen.

Well, hating him won’t benefit you in any way either, it strengthens him, weakens his enemies.

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credit for what!? diffusing a situation he instigated

Trump didn't instigate it but John Kerry might have had something to do with it. He's been over there telling them who knows what in severe breaches of protocol. Our intelligence agencies needs to have a talk with him.

can't go to nuclear war if your adversaries dont have nukes yet

Yeah, Trump's making sure of that, as opposed to Obama.

Trump will never get any credit for anything positive he does from you guys.

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So Trump has no backing from anyone on a strike against Iran.

He doesn’t need it, but Israel and the Saudis are always welcome.

Congress members oppose. Even the republican party oppose.

And they are not the President.

The majority of Americans oppose. The UN opposes. The European allies oppose. Heck, even the Pope opposes.

They are all not the President, so it really doesn’t matter.

Donny would be out for a duck he can't win and already it's predicted at the next election he's already down 5 million votes, which would still give him a win but greatly reduced popular vote. Even the soy farmers oppose.

Yeah, they were saying that last time, if we keep listening to the MSM we are all going to be laughing jokes. If the Democrats want to even think about beating this president, they need to be able to draw in thousands and thousands at a rally, and so far that hasn’t happened yet, the Democrats want to make a homerun but they didn’t even reach First base yet.

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credit for what!? diffusing a situation he instigated,

The president didn’t put any mines on the oil tankers.

can't go to nuclear war if your adversaries dont have nukes yet,

He can still call for a ballistic strike, all is not lost.

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And they are not the President.

Even the president isn't above the law and a war would require at least the permission of the congress and the backing of the UN.

Israel and the Saudis are always welcome.

I suppose if he needs them on the sidelines clapping hands. Little in the way of any real military force from neither one.

Trump hates the Iran Shia Muslims, supports the Saudi Sunni Muslims but hates the Palestinian Sunni Muslims. America attacked Iraq because of Saddam who was a Sunni Muslim but the majority of the 800,000 civilians killed were Shia.

A ground war remains impossible even he he had the great support of NATO. The Iraqi Shia would also cross the border to fight. Russia can reach Iran easily overland.

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And they are not the president

The War Powers Resolution (also known as the War Powers Resolution of 1973 or the War Powers Act) (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of the U.S. Congress. 

It provides that the U.S. President can send the Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

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Trump will never get any credit for anything positive he does from you guys.

Higher healthcare costs, more US debt, and ladder sales (to climb over his wall)

Trump is credited

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The president didn’t put any mines on the oil tankers.

oh its convenient to forget Trump canceled the Uranium deal the Iranians were following and put economic sanctions on them because of a deal Trump broke. Mines on tankers, WMD in Iraq. oh how the gullible are easily fooled

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Even the president isn't above the law

No one said that, but he doesn’t need the backing oof Congress if he decides to do a precision surgical strike.

I suppose if he needs them on the sidelines clapping hands.

..or vital intelligence that our men could never get, knowledge of weapons, bombs, ballistics, stealth operation that they know about, things even we don’t know.

Trump hates the Iran Shia Muslims, supports the Saudi Sunni Muslims but hates the Palestinian Sunni Muslims.

How do you know who or what he hates?! Liberals always think they have mutant telepathic powers where they read what people like or dislike or what they ate for lunch or dinner....

A ground war remains impossible

No one even talked about ground troops, relax now.

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oh its convenient to forget Trump canceled the Uranium deal the Iranians were following

Well, they really weren’t as if Israel would ever sit back and allow the Saudis and Israel live next to it. Yeah, liberals believe that and thank God Trump blew that crap up.

and put economic sanctions on them because of a deal Trump broke.

Good.

oh how the gullible are easily fooled

I mean, we have the video, but it doesn’t mean anything unless liberals say it does, so don’t believe your eyes, believe the liberals. ROFL! And that’s why you don’t see liberals in power, because they wouldn’t know how to deal with something like this.

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Higher healthcare costs, more US debt, and ladder sales (to climb over his wall)

Trump is credited

Um, we're still basically stuck with Obamacare, $15 trillion of the $22 trillion debt is thanks to Bush and Obama, and oh my...

Height of Trump’s Mexico border wall make it near-impossible to scale, tests confirm

https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/19/height-trumps-mexico-border-wall-make-near-impossible-scale-tests-confirm-7243438/?ito=cbshare

Maybe shovels to dig tunnels under them?

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How do you know who or what he hates?! Liberals always think they have mutant telepathic powers where they read what people like or dislike or what they ate for lunch or dinner....

I think that is actually your corner. Trump's actions speak for themselves. Supports the barbaric Saudi Sunni and want to sell them weapons. Opposed to Iranian Shia Muslims. Does not support the cause of the Palestinian Sunni Muslims. Supports Israel at the expense of the Sunni.

Trump like you is forever telling us what he hates.

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Looks like they decided even two false flags are not enough to start this war. The American people are as asleep as ever but I think its the world that's not to bend this time.

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Israel needs to surrender their nuclear weapons if they expect Iran to have none.

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Height of Trump’s Mexico border wall make it near-impossible to scale, tests confirm

I forgot brick sales for the next 100 years. That's how long it will take to build it (look at China's Great Wall)

The Trump wall hasn't even started.

Um, we're still basically stuck with Obamacare

Trump failed. He promised to get rid of it. Best solution if you go to USA and have a medical emergency? Just don't pay for it.

$15 trillion of the $22 trillion debt is thanks to Bush and Obama, and oh my...

Debt accelerating under Trump. He has failed (again). Debt is NOT slowing down.

Maybe shovels to dig tunnels under them?

How long is it going to build this? And who is going to pay for this?

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Trump like you is forever telling us what he hates.

I never told you what I like or hate, you’re speculating again.

Israel needs to surrender their nuclear weapons if they expect Iran to have none.

That'd be perfect, the only democracy and the only Jewish State and they’re supposed to give up their nukes while being surrounded by a large group of people that want them dead, Never again!

Either way, Isreal and the Saudis won’t allow a Nuclear Iran with or without the help of the US, lets be abundantly clear on that.

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