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Wisconsin to hold partial vote recount as fuming Trump denies defeat

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By Jarrett Renshaw and Jason Lange

U.S. President Donald Trump's re-election campaign on Wednesday requested a partial recount of Wisconsin's presidential election results, as part of its long-shot attempt to reverse President-elect Joe Biden's victory.

While staying out of the public eye, the Republican Trump has persisted in venting his anger on Twitter, where he made claims of election fraud, some of which were unsupported by evidence and others demonstrably untrue.

Election officials in Wisconsin, as well as in Georgia, said recounts in those states were very unlikely to reverse Trump's losses.

Biden, a Democrat, warned that the continued delay in recognizing him as winner could mean the United States will be"behind by weeks and months" in the preparations to distribute a coronavirus vaccine.

Trump's unfounded claims about the election having been"rigged" are failing in courts, but opinion polls show they have a political benefit, with as many as half of Trump's fellow Republicans believing them, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

The Wisconsin Elections Commission said it would oversee recounts in two heavily Democratic counties - Milwaukee and Dane, which includes Madison - after the Trump campaign paid the$3 million cost, less than the $7.9 million estimated cost of a statewide recount.

Dane County Clerk Scott McDonell said a recount would start on Friday and finish within days. Only a few hundred votes changed in the county's recount after the 2016 presidential election, he said.

“My guess would be that by focusing on Dane and Milwaukee the end result will be that Biden will have a slight increase in votes, but nothing terribly significant - certainly nothing anywhere near what would be required for changing the outcomes,” McDonell said.

In the state-by-state Electoral College that determines the election winner, Biden captured 306 votes to Trump's 232. He won the popular vote by more than 5.8 million.

Biden won Wisconsin by more than 20,000 votes to lead Trump 49.5% to 48.8%.

To remain in office, Trump would need to overturn results in at least three large and closely competitive states to reach the threshold of 270 electoral votes. That would be unprecedented.

The president is clinging to hope that a manual recount ordered by Georgia can erase Biden's 14,000-vote lead there and is also challenging results in the swing state of Michigan.

Gabriel Sterling, Georgia's voting system implementation manager, told journalists that as of Wednesday morning, election officials conducting the recount had reviewed 4,968,000 ballots nearly all of those cast - and found Biden's lead over Trump had fallen to 12,781 ballots, down from 14,156 previously.

Sterling said there was no evidence that fraud could have changed the outcome in Georgia.

Trump on Wednesday falsely claimed that the number of votes counted in heavily Democratic Detroit, the largest city in Michigan, had surpassed the number of residents.

"In Detroit, there are FAR MORE VOTES THAN PEOPLE. Nothing can be done to cure that giant scam. I win Michigan!" he tweeted.

City records show that 250,138 votes were cast there in the presidential election. That is a little more than a third of the city's population, which according to the U.S. Census Bureau is 670,031.

In a rare win for Trump in his legal assault on the election results, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said on Wednesday it would take up an appeal challenging thousands of mail-in votes cast in Philadelphia that were missing information on the return envelopes.

Trump's refusal to concede the Nov 3 election is blocking the smooth transition to a new administration and complicating Biden's response to the coronavirus pandemic when he takes office on Jan 20.

Biden on Wednesday held a virtual meeting with frontline healthcare workers in Delaware who complained about a lack of personal protective equipment and COVID-19 tests for themselves.

He warned that the delay in declaring him the election winner could mean that "soon we're going to be behind by weeks or months being able to put together the whole initiative" to distribute coronavirus vaccines when they become available.

The General Services Administration agency, run by a Trump appointee, has yet to formally declare an election winner. Biden's team says this is hindering coordination with the current White House coronavirus task force.

States face a Dec. 8 deadline to certify election results in time for the official Electoral College vote on Dec 14.

Congress is scheduled to count the Electoral College votes on Jan 6, which is normally a formality. But Trump supporters in the Senate and House of Representatives could object to the results in a final, long-shot attempt to deprive Biden of 270 electoral votes and turn the final decision over to the House.

A Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday showed about half of Republicans believe Trump "rightfully won" but the election was stolen from him.

Seventy-three percent of all voters polled agreed Biden won while 5% thought Trump won. But when asked specifically whether Biden had "rightfully won," 52% of Republicans said Trump rightfully won, while only 29% said Biden had rightfully won.

Election officials from both parties, around the United States, have said there was no evidence of vote tampering, and a federal review drew the same conclusion.

As he battles to save his presidency, Trump will stay in Washington over next week's Thanksgiving holiday, rather than travel to his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, a spokeswoman for first lady Melania Trump said.

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the Republican Trump has persisted in venting his anger on Twitter, 

'Venting his anger on Twitter' and reinforcing his reputation as the most psychologically unstable politician in US history.

As Trump's losses continue to mount, he's also reinforcing his reputation as the biggest loser of all modern politicians.

Trump's burning bridges, doing as much damage to US systems as he possibly can. To the delight of his US supporters and other anti-Americans around the globe.

17 ( +20 / -3 )

A wise stalling tactic by Trump.

Trump only needs to delay the certification of 37 electoral votes by January 6th, better to wait until close to that deadline to cause some legal confusion to hold back those votes.

If Biden fails to secure 270 or more electoral votes then the 1 State 1 vote election is held in the House.

Trump has 25 States plus the tie breaking vote from Pence.

Check your Constitution, Trump has a clear, legal and Constitutional path to the Presidency and he knows it.

-24 ( +6 / -30 )

Burning Bush: Nice of you to advocate throwing democracy into the dustbin.

22 ( +26 / -4 )

Hope this orange orangutan is given a taste of his own medicine, The moment he is thrown into the streets at noon on jan 20 the floodgates of litigations will open.

20 ( +23 / -3 )

The idea that 81.8 million people (the total Nate Silver estimates Biden's total will be) would be disenfranchised and Trump, the clear loser of both the popular and Electoral College, installed for another term by a few state legislators is so farcical as to suggest mental illness or significant cognitive impairment.

20 ( +23 / -3 )

The idea that 81.8 million people (the total Nate Silver estimates Biden's total will be) would be disenfranchised and Trump, the clear loser of both the popular and Electoral College, installed for another term by a few state legislators is so farcical as to suggest mental illness or significant cognitive impairment.

Or suggests trying to throw fuel on the fire if division in the US.

13 ( +17 / -4 )

My guess would be that by focusing on Dane and Milwaukee the end result will be that Biden will have a slight increase in votes

Har! Shooting himself in the foot again and again. Oh my.

16 ( +19 / -3 )

The longer this drags on the better it will go for Trump

-20 ( +3 / -23 )

Let’s recount heavily Democratic and Black areas only. Because only white males in the Republican Panty are honest And Trump more than anyone.

18 ( +20 / -2 )

A fool and his money soon parted

14 ( +16 / -2 )

At least they got the money up front.

14 ( +16 / -2 )

Nothing new here.

The man is once again "fuming" ... wonder what he's been smoking lately!

He still hasn't gotten his act straight and most definitely never will.

Time for a new health check, brain activity (if it exists) and so on!

12 ( +14 / -2 )

Won't change the outcome. Biden won the popular vote and will win the EC vote and become the 46th.

Trump s worse than a sore loser. His court cases have been thrown out.

14 ( +17 / -3 )

Check your Constitution, Trump has a clear, legal and Constitutional path to the Presidency and he knows it.

care to actually quote where in the constitution it states that trump can actually change the will of the voters? betcha can't...smgdfh.

14 ( +16 / -2 )

A wise stalling tactic by Trump.

Trump only needs to delay the certification of 37 electoral votes by January 6th

Do you really think that American democracy is so fragile that it wouldn't survive Trump's attempts to override it?

In many countries democracy is not strong - like Russia where a weak democracy was fairly quickly turned into a pathetic fascist dictatorship with a leader who preens like a latter day Mussolini. However, despite Trump and America's enemies' best attempts, there will be no stopping the electoral college.

9 ( +13 / -4 )

Trump is too cheap to shell out the $8 million (to be fair, he might be too broke) required for a state-wide recount.

9 ( +12 / -3 )

Trump is probably wondering to himself, why does demanding the presidency work in other countries like Russia and North Korea, but not in the U.S. Fortunately, the U.S. is not like Russia and North Korea. There is such a thing as democracy where people's votes do count.

11 ( +13 / -2 )

care to actually quote where in the constitution it states that trump can actually change the will of the voters? betcha can't...smgdfh.

No problem.

Article II Section I

I suggest you read it.

If no Candidate receives a clear majority (over 270) of CERTIFIED Electoral ballots by January 6th then the election immediately goes to a 1 State 1 Vote election held in the House. The VP casts the deciding vote in the event of a tie.

It's in the Constitution and is thus fully lawful and binding.

If Trump successfully ties up 37 or more electoral votes in legal proceedings on January 5th he has a clear path to another 4 years.

He knows this and is merely stalling at this point.

-16 ( +3 / -19 )

The recount in Georgia is almost complete, they don't expect any changes with Biden winning the state.

11 ( +13 / -2 )

So the trump campaign couldn’t afford the 8 million asked for a full recount!!!!

I encourage trump fans to contribute more , nothing makes me happy than seeing racists throw their money down the drain!!!!

13 ( +14 / -1 )

Quick! Trump needs a diaper change.

13 ( +14 / -1 )

He knows this and is merely stalling at this point.

You mean that Trump is knowingly trying to overturn the election result and you support him?

Fortunately for America, Trump does not have enough delaying tactics left to make it to January without the electoral college agreeing. It will meet and Biden will be elected.

Trump will go down in history as a bad president and one without the grace and humility to accept defeat. He brings shame on himself and all those he has fooled into supporting him.

15 ( +16 / -1 )

Rudy was hilarious in court yesterday, he didn’t understand basics, misunderstood the judge and they are paying him $ 20,000 per day!!!!

In the end, Rudy will be rich and trump still a loser!!!!

10 ( +12 / -2 )

Fortunately for America, Trump does not have enough delaying tactics left to make it to January without the electoral college agreeing.

Constitutionally, it's not the Electoral College vote itself that is binding, it's the counting of the CERTIFIED Electoral College votes that happens in the House on January 6th.

The Constitution is very clear on this point. There must be a clear majority of Certified Electoral Votes counted in the presence of Congress.

If not, it goes to 1 State 1 Vote.

Trump's plan will work.

-20 ( +2 / -22 )

Trump's plan will work.

We’ll see then won’t we. And when that plan fails what will you cling to next?

14 ( +16 / -2 )

I’m starting to wonder who is the worst here: Trump persisting in trying to overrule a democratic vote by continually trolling all over the place that it is rigged (so far no trials gave him reason) or the cronies around him abusing of his mental deficiency by pumping off money from him ?

12 ( +13 / -1 )

We’ll see then won’t we. And when that plan fails what will you cling to next?

moving to Mexico? Oh but there’s the wall...

12 ( +13 / -1 )

The 1 state 1 vote delusion has already been destroyed, none of the states want to override the wishes of their electorates.

Cant blame the trump camp though, delusions are all they have till Jan 20.

That’s the date when they will accept reality!!!!

13 ( +15 / -2 )

Trump's plan will work.

It won't.

I would honestly respect you guys more if, at this point, you just came out with it and said "yes, I want to overthrow democracy and install Trump as dictator for life and king, so that the Trump dynasty can rule me and my children forever".

We know you want that. You know we know you want that. So be a man and say it.

15 ( +18 / -3 )

We’ll see then won’t we. And when that plan fails what will you cling to next?

The big failsafe for them is for Trump to tell the electoral college delegates to be faithless electors and vote for him, screw the will of the people. And believe me, you will see posters on this website defending and advocating that.

10 ( +13 / -3 )

As long as it's his (or more likely his donors' and gullible followers') money, then go ahead. The rest of the country is continuing as normal toward Jan 20.

With Ghouliani as his best lawyer, I REALLY feel at ease.

10 ( +12 / -2 )

People who think Trump "has a plan" really need to wake up to reality. Trump has no plan. For anything. That's why he was elected, because he's not "a politician" with complex ideas and words that are hard to understand. And that's why he was voted out of office after one term, because he has no capacity for planning anything or forming intelligible ideas. His circle, aides and staff do have plans, most of them terrible, but he has absolutely nothing.

12 ( +14 / -2 )

Won't change the outcome. Biden won the popular vote and will win the EC vote and become the 46th.

Yeah, he broke Obama, Bush’s and Clinton’s record making the most voted for President in US history.....Joe Biden...lol...ok.

Trump s worse than a sore loser.

Given the circumstances surrounding this election and Biden winning in counties that haven’t voted for a Democrat in 35 years....I definitely understand the man.

His court cases have been thrown out

Not all and not nearly finished, he should go on as far and as long as he can.

-17 ( +2 / -19 )

Not all and not nearly finished, he should go on as far and as long as he can.

No. He should be an adult - for the very first time in his life - and accept the truth.

That he lost.

Trump lost the election.

Trump is the loser of the election.

Trump is a loser.

13 ( +15 / -2 )

No. He should be an adult -

And obey the left? No, he should move forward, Hillary advised Biden to do the had he lost in a normal election.

-15 ( +2 / -17 )

And obey the left? No, he should move forward, Hillary advised Biden to do the had he lost in a normal election.

Fox News isn't "the left". The courts of the US aren't "the left".

You wanna address the point of the post, hoss?

Your boy Trump is a loser. A big, fat, dumb as rocks loser.

13 ( +15 / -2 )

he should go on as far and as long as he can.

You okay with lots more people dying because the transition gets held up for the sake of Trump’s fragile ego and his cult followers’ weird beliefs?

13 ( +15 / -2 )

There is zero, zilch, nada, no evidence of voter fraud or fraud in counting legally cast and submitted ballots. I see on Drudge this morning that Trump is now down to arguing that it's a mob-run job. 

The faithless elector plan is a desperate Hail-Mary effort that has just a few problems. Yesterday the local GOP certified the Wyane county ballots after their ham-handed effort was called out. Oh, and the GOP head of the State Legislature said that nobody was going to discard the will of the electorate (That means Biden won). 

In PA, the judges are doing face-palms at Rudy's jaw-droppingly stupid, evidence-free "claims". A serious lawyer would worry about his or her standing with the Bar for doing the same. 

The Georgia recount won't change the results to a significant margin. 

This is the fever-dream of those suffering from the cognitive maladies I previously mentioned, but I regret to admit that I did not include the possibility of substance abuse. Apologies...

11 ( +13 / -2 )

Hillary advised Biden to do the had he lost in a normal election.

I could point out the falsity of that assertion, but I would be wasting my energy.

Where is big man winner Trump these days anyway?

9 ( +11 / -2 )

The delusion and alt-reality world of Trumpism is caving in on itself...

It will now morph into a kooky conspiracy theory factory equivalent to QAnon where Trump will no doubt start a media channel to promote himself and further scam his supporters out of their money...

However, given all the potential indictments he's facing, he may be running it from Rikers Island...

10 ( +12 / -2 )

Fox News isn't "the left".

Well, the head of FNC is being run by a Democrat so...

The courts of the US aren't "the left".

Let’s get it to the SC and see.

-16 ( +2 / -18 )

You okay with lots more people dying because the transition gets held up for the sake of Trump’s fragile ego and his cult followers’ weird beliefs?

When Biden is President, you think just like that people won’t stop dying? Come on man!

I could point out the falsity of that assertion,

I would disagree vehemently.

Where is big man winner Trump these days anyway?

Being a thorn for Joe and the Dems for the next 4 years and the beauty of it is, the msm can’t resist to cover Trump because he’ll always be threat so Joe will have to fight to get the media to pay attention to him sometimes. Just fantastic.

-17 ( +2 / -19 )

Biden winning in counties that haven’t voted for a Democrat in 35 years....

They never had a president like trump before. You mustn’t forget the revulsion vote after 4 years of that horror show.

10 ( +12 / -2 )

The right has gone so far to the extreme right, that they think that Fox "news", Trump's mouthpiece of the last four years, the network that the Mueller report showed altered their reporting according to white house demands, is Left. They aren't even center, they're directly responsible for the buildup of right-wing extremism over the past two decades.

I love watching the right eat themselves as everything they've stood for over the past couple of decades is shown to be a scam. After two Bushes and a Trump, where the left won the popular vote seven out of eight times, when the Republicans have lost over 1000 seats in the past three elections, the genie is out of the bottle. America knows the Republicans are failures, that their leader is a failure, that their polices are failures, and that they are moral failures.

But yeah, good job on not electing Hillary. Instead you added another Loser to the two Losers you elected before him.

12 ( +13 / -1 )

They never had a president like trump before. You mustn’t forget the revulsion vote after 4 years of that horror show.

Uh-huh these blue collar frackers and fossil fuel workers just in the last minute decided to go for Biden, a man who wants to kill the fossil fuel industry, just like that. ROFL!

-13 ( +3 / -16 )

When Biden is President, you think just like that people won’t stop dying?

Wow, it's impressive that you have so accurately summarized this thing that no one said ever.

You'd almost wonder if it's just hyper-partisan rhetoric...

13 ( +14 / -1 )

There really should be a reckoning for Trump and his enablers for playing with the institutions of Democracy.

7 ( +9 / -2 )

Uh-huh these blue collar frackers and fossil fuel workers just in the last minute decided to go for Biden, a man who wants to kill the fossil fuel industry, just like that.

Right! That's how pathetic a president Trump was - he couldn't even keep these voters who should have been beneath what he expects worthy of consideration.

10 ( +12 / -2 )

You ask Trump supporters to denounce terrorism and suddenly they get all quiet and wander away. Every time. What's up with that?

13 ( +14 / -1 )

Right! That's how pathetic a president Trump was - he couldn't even keep these voters who should have been beneath what he expects worthy of consideration.

Yeah, that’s as if a California vegan liberal decides they’re for the NGD and then switch to vote for Trump. I guess in a warped reality it could happen. Lol

You ask Trump supporters to denounce terrorism and suddenly they get all quiet and wander away.

Because we have....sorry, had the police until the Dems decided to defund them. Why? But then these same hypocrites want the cops to protect them. You just can’t make this stuff up.

-12 ( +2 / -14 )

Not all and not nearly finished, he should go on as far and as long as he can.

Until every last American is infected, exhausted or dying.

Classy Trump cultists.

14 ( +15 / -1 )

The GOP lawsuit in Pennsylvania had a complaint about’Pole Watchers’.

Glad we are done with the Poll watchers complaints!!!!

11 ( +12 / -1 )

Perhaps the best moment in the PA case came when the judge said to Rudy Giuliani, "You should write this down. That's what lawyers do. They write things down."

9 ( +10 / -1 )

Unless the number of votes contested exceeds the margin of victory, such suits should be turned down on principle. They are nothing other than a distraction and a waste of time and money.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

At a different moment, Giuliani said: “I’m not quite sure what ‘opacity’ means. It probably means you can see.”

The judge responded: “It means you can’t.”

Another gem.

TV networks might pay Rudy more than $20,000 per day if they can televise the hearings live!!!!

9 ( +10 / -1 )

Rudy Giuliani, in court. Couldn't remember the name of the judge. Called the other lawyer "that angry man". Couldn't remember why he was in court. Demanded $20,000 per day. Asked where the nearest bar was.

10 ( +11 / -1 )

Uh-huh these blue collar frackers and fossil fuel workers just in the last minute decided to go for Biden, a man who wants to kill the fossil fuel industry, just like that. ROFL!

Comments like this just continue to show how consistently wrong and misinformed you are. Things aren’t black or white and things change.

11 ( +12 / -1 )

had the police until the Dems decided to defund them. Why? But then these same hypocrites want the cops to protect them. You just can’t make this stuff up.

You just did make that stuff up. But it’s too late to expect verifiable evidence from you. Just your imagination and scaremongering from a tinfoil hat site.

12 ( +13 / -1 )

If President Trump had kept his mouth shut about the virus and let Drs. Fauci, Birx, et al. do their job, he would have won, and there would have been fewer cases and fewer deaths. Instead...

5 ( +7 / -2 )

At this point I'm encouraging Trump fans to believe the election was stolen. Makes the Democrats look smart. We did it!

Plus, if they don't accept the results it will trigger them every time President Biden is on TV.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

I wonder what percentage of people who voted Trump actually believe his latest conspiracy theories. There are still birthers out there, those who think 3 million illegals voted for Clinton, people who think climate change is a hoax created by the Chinese etc. I’m guessing most of the hardcore Trump voters swallow all the baseless trash he has pumped out in recent years. I don’t think there is much of a choosy approach to Trump’s buffet of stupidity.

Can any Trump supporters tell us how they approach it?

7 ( +8 / -1 )

@burning

 Trump has a clear, legal and Constitutional path to the Presidency

yeah, just not an ethical one

9 ( +10 / -1 )

Interesting times. I think it is very hard for many people to comprehend that the US does not directly elect the President.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Interesting times. I think it is very hard for many people to comprehend that the US does not directly elect the President.

I think it is very hard for many people to comprehend that Joe Biden won not only the popular vote but also the electoral college, and that just because you don't like the result of the election it doesn't meant that the result is illegitimate.

11 ( +12 / -1 )

@BB

If no Candidate receives a clear majority (over 270) of CERTIFIED Electoral ballots by January 6th then the election immediately goes to a 1 State 1 Vote election held in the House. The VP casts the deciding vote in the event of a tie.

I suggest you learn to comprehend what it says in the first place. Biden already has a CLEAR MAJORITY of Electoral ballots already! Even thought Trump and his cronies are trying to question how many ballots are "legal", he's barely able to get the numbers of his (and his followers) claimed "illegal" votes questioned because it's only in the thousands while the accurately verified legal and certified votes have surpassed it in the millions against him. In order for Trump to have any legitimate claim for a questionable recount, the EC and votes would have to be VERY close, like 260/259... not 290/232.

Sorry democracy in Russia was so weak that Putin could take over just like that, but the US has had it's democracy (has enough C.Y.A language in the constitution) for quite a long time before you could even figure out what democracy even was. It's fun to prove you ignorant of how the US works internally for those of us who are actual citizens of this country.

@Sneezy

It won't.

I would honestly respect you guys more if, at this point, you just came out with it and said "yes, I want to overthrow democracy and install Trump as dictator for life and king, so that the Trump dynasty can rule me and my children forever".

We know you want that. You know we know you want that. So be a man and say it.

Another accurate prediction by "The Simpsons" TV show under "Sideshow Bob Roberts".

8 ( +9 / -1 )

The GOP lawsuit in Pennsylvania had a complaint about’Pole Watchers’.

Glad we are done with the Poll watchers complaints!!!!

Hahaha, I guess maybe they have a point! Perhaps there weren't enough GOP representatives staring endlessly at inanimate metal rods to their taste!

Not my jam, but what they do with their Tuesday evenings is their business.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

Plus, if they don't accept the results it will trigger them every time President Biden is on TV

I'm more for them having to watch Trump and his family being in court for federal crimes funneling them proud

Trumpublican taxpayer dollars into his family businesses while in office and how easily they fell for his conman personality like gullible twits.

9 ( +10 / -1 )

A wise stalling tactic by Trump.

Trump only needs to delay the certification of 37 electoral votes by January 6th, better to wait until close to that deadline to cause some legal confusion to hold back those votes.

If Biden fails to secure 270 or more electoral votes then the 1 State 1 vote election is held in the House.

Trump has 25 States plus the tie breaking vote from Pence.

Check your Constitution, Trump has a clear, legal and Constitutional path to the Presidency and he knows it.

Wise ain’t the term I’d use...

try it.

enjoy living with the consequences

beneath contempt

8 ( +9 / -1 )

I'm more for them having to watch Trump and his family being in court for federal crimes funneling them proud

Apparently Biden says he doesn't want to spend much time on investigations into criminality of the Trump administration.

A colossal mistake. Trump is a criminal and should be forced to face the law for it. Letting him go to try and appeal to a sense of unity in those who will always despise you. Biden should not use the power vested in him as President to "let things go" when the previous holder of the office has committed numerous crimes.

Nixon disgraced the office of the Presidency. Trump ruined it. Biden has an opportunity to heal it. But only if he's willing for the law to be applied to his opponents - no matter what Twitter whackjobs might think.

10 ( +11 / -1 )

Yeah, that’s as if a California vegan liberal decides they’re for the NGD and then switch to vote for Trump. I guess in a warped reality it could happen. Lol

Wow, generalizing much?

Because we have....sorry, had the police until the Dems decided to defund them. Why? But then these same hypocrites want the cops to protect them. You just can’t make this stuff up.

Since when was it decided?

10 ( +11 / -1 )

Trump's gonna get himself taken out, the more he tries to mess up America the more certain I become of that.

8 ( +9 / -1 )

Apparently Biden says he doesn't want to spend much time on investigations into criminality of the Trump administration.

Biden doesn't have to. Once the DoJ and other federal law enforcement agencies are back to normal and responsibly allowed to do their job without interference from a "president" that demands personal loyalty to themselves in violation of their oath of office, We the People can have Trump & Co eaten alive.

As an American I demand JUSTICE, as should we all once this is said and done.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

I would honestly respect you guys more if, at this point, you just came out with it and said "yes, I want to overthrow democracy and install Trump as dictator for life and king, so that the Trump dynasty can rule me and my children forever". 

We know you want that. You know we know you want that. So be a man and say it.

Here here!

Watching the “family values” crowd gloat about disenfranchising somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 million Americans fills me with such goodwill.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Curious to understand exactly what the "criminality" of the Trump "regime" comprises of.  Randomness maybe.  Obnoxiousness sure.  But actual breaking of real laws?

He has been under the microscope for the past 4 years and so far nothing appears to have come to light.

-7 ( +2 / -9 )

Oklahoma is just chock full of trump loons all believing that Trump will be re elected after the recount. It is really bad and their hatred towards Asian people is incredible. I am stuck here and carry around my M-1911 automatic to protect myself and husband. I wish they would try and become rational.

7 ( +8 / -1 )

If Trump successfully ties up 37 or more electoral votes in legal proceedings on January 5th he has a clear path to another 4 years.

He knows this and is merely stalling at this point.

Note what our neighborhood ethics guru leaves out of this...

not a damn bit of it needs to be true.

it can all be thrown out as BS later, but as long as a decision cannot be made on 5 Jan, it’s 4 more years of Trump after he loses both EC and Popular.

congrats, America dies, but hey, at least you win! yippee

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Oklahoma is just chock full of trump loons all believing that Trump will be re elected after the recount. It is really bad and their hatred towards Asian people is incredible. I am stuck here and carry around my M-1911 automatic to protect myself and husband. I wish they would try and become rational.

This sounds like a terrible situation. I sympathise deeply with you. That being said, I recommend you not carry a firearm. The act of owning - let alone carrying - a firearm statistically puts you and yours at greater risk of injury or even death. Please reconsider.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

He has been under the microscope for the past 4 years and so far nothing appears to have come to light.

Apparently you have forgotten he was impeached for withholding taxpayer-funded military aid to bribe a foreign government to help his own reelection. He was unsurprisingly acquitted by hiw own party, but explicitly not exonerated.

He is also presently under criminal investigation for his business and taxes practices in the state of New York.

He could also very well be prosecuted for profiting from his office, abuse of power, violating campaign finance laws, and a few more offenses starting from next January.

8 ( +8 / -0 )

I recommend you not carry a firearm. The act of owning - let alone carrying - a firearm statistically puts you and yours at greater risk of injury or even death. Please reconsider.

Respect your conviction, but as someone born and raised in the rural West I reckon it would take about a month living in the sticks to turn you into a 2nd Amendment advocate...

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WakarimasenToday  02:02 pm JST

He has been under the microscope for the past 4 years and so far nothing appears to have come to light.

Doesn't matter what comes to light as long as he's got a Republican majority in the Senate to acquit him in impeachment trials.

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Respect your conviction, but as someone born and raised in the rural West I reckon it would take about a month living in the sticks to turn you into a 2nd Amendment advocate...

I'm originally from a rural area, too - in an Eastern state, though. Not exactly the sticks, but I grew up in a place that used to be a farm. Many around us had firearms, and I think they can be appropriate in certain circumstances, especially in farming situations. But I am opposed to the Second Amendment that enables mass killings and school shootings. Guns need to be regulated, owners need to be licensed, and ownership should be the exception, not the rule,

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"Wayne County MI election board Republicans rescind votes to certify, file affidavits that their families were threatened"

Wisconsin recount meeting also didnt go so well for Democrats.

Uh oh.

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Sorry buddy. There's no take-backs: they voted to certify, the results were certified, the deadline has passed, it's over.

And their affidavits have as much weight as that postal worker whose affidavit that said he saw direct fraud, when questioned, turned into "I heard something someone said from half a room away and I assumed they said 'let's fraud' so that means I found the crimes" - which is to say, none.

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file affidavits that their families were threatened"

dear me this is terrifying, they have filed “affidavits”. Surrender everyone, Trump is using big guns now.

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It’s Trump who had lied and cheated these last 4 years. 20,000 lies in office. Even cheats at golf.

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You guys really have no sense of caring about any type of fairness or honesty in this election whatsoever do you? Just get the result you want in any way you can. Lie, cheat, threaten, whatever.

sure we do.

after 4 years of listening to your side tell us with a straight face that the moon really is made of green cheese and the little doggy in the window is really an aircraft carrier we simply believe nothing you say.

this is what happens when one side makes a point of destroying established norms and customs because “they can.”

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