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How he died was very bad indeed but if you take a look at his criminal history he was not a nice person!

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How he died was very bad indeed but if you take a look at his criminal history he was not a nice person!

No one deserves to be executed by the police for not being a "nice person."

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Hundreds of mourners

“It’s crazy man, all these people came to see my brother

Huge crowds

I just don't get it. How come so many people have been banned from funerals these past months because of coronavirus; and now all of a sudden it's okay? I remember, for example, Bill. De Blasio sending the cops to bust up the Jewish funeral in Crown Heights last month; he admonished them and said they were putting other lives at risk. But I guess in some perpendicular universe this makes sense.

Many knelt in the grass

U.S. Representative Hakeem Jeffries urged people to continue their protests

What happened to social distancing. Didn't the US just surpass a 100,000 deaths? Is representative Jeffries willing to accept all the new possible deaths if they happen?

The Reverend Al Sharpton

Well there goes any integrity this might have had. Now it's all a spectacle. When ever I see Ben Crump, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson getting involved I'm reminded of what Booker T. Washington said: There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.

Now that Sharpton and Crump have turned this into spectacle, Floyd is being treated like a world war 2 hero. I'm surprised there wasn't a 21-gun salute. 3 funerals, one so far attended by a mayor performing his grief in front of everyone; If I didn't know any better I'd think the pope died.

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How he died was very bad indeed but if you take a look at his criminal history he was not a nice person!

Which has what relevance?

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Hard decision to make - go out in the streets and protest for the lives of people being wrongly murdered by the people supposed to protect them, and risk getting the virus. Stay home and stay safe from the virus, and miss the opportunity to push for change.

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Now that Sharpton and Crump have turned this into spectacle

I'd say millions of American citizens have made this a spectacle. But I know the far right use KISS principles; they need to have faces to point to as 'enemies', especially when those faces are people they consider to be 'others'. More divide and conquer. Tactics used by despots throughout history. How did cults of personalties work out in the 1930s? Actually how have they ever worked out.

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Hard decision to make - go out in the streets and protest for the lives of people being wrongly murdered by the people supposed to protect them, and risk getting the virus. Stay home and stay safe from the virus, and miss the opportunity to push for change.

More black people have died this past week in the protests than the number who died at the knee of ex-officer Chauvin which is the reason for the protests in the first place. I guess you could call that a change in the lives of some. Furthermore, we've been told the coronavirus is disproportionately affecting African Americans, which means even more might die because of the protests. So the protests are actually more detrimental to blacks than the officer arrested.

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funeral 1, of a scheduled 3 or 4. As I mentioned last night, funerals throughout the USA over a 6 day period, North Carolina and Texas still to come. who thought this was a good idea during pandemic?

Also they announced "no protesting" at the memorial services. Great, now can the same "they" announce that for NYC?

Why is it suddenly a personal choice to go outside and protest -or- stay home? there was no such choice prior to this.

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there are numerous families who were not allowed to have a public funeral for their loved one and even now other funerals are capped at 10 attendees. But for this one, gotta get all the Dem politicians in.

What exactly is Joe Biden's relationship to Mr Floyd that he needs to be in attendance?

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What exactly is Joe Biden's relationship to Mr Floyd that he needs to be in attendance?

Trump used a bible as prop; Biden's using this.

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What happened to social distancing. Didn't the US just surpass a 100,000 deaths? Is representative Jeffries willing to accept all the new possible deaths if they happen?

Wasn't the American right wing banging on about how terrible coronavirus restrictions were just a few days aho? Now that a funeral is being held for the black victim of a racist murder, it's suddenly back on the agenda.

Funny how priorities change.

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yes, I agree. I am just wondering how Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris and all the Hollywood "it" people will be able to be attend if there is no California memorial too? need to add that to to the "tour".

Yet Mr. Dorn and Mr. Patterson, killed by rioters, have to get by with GoFundMe accounts. Imagine the howls of outrage if Trump attended their funerals. i regret watching that Facebook Live video of Mr. Dorn laying on the ground, dying. That is likely the saddest and most heartbreaking thing I have seen in my whole life.

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"Funny how (*Democrat political*) priorities change."

Fixed it. Your side had the sudden flip flop after claiming it wasnt even safe enough to go outside to vote.... 6 months from now.

Wasn't the American right wing banging on about how terrible coronavirus restrictions were just a few days aho? Now that a funeral is being held for the black victim of a racist murder, it's suddenly back on the agenda.

Funny how priorities change.

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Funny how priorities change.

I couldn't agree more. Those were redundant questions.

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A man called out for his mother with his last breath, and Chauvin did not flinch. You have to have a stone cold heart. I can't get that out of my mind.

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"Funny how (*Democrat political*) priorities change."

More of a partisan extremist saying Democrats (i.e. those alien forces long dwelling in the partisan extremists's bean) have to think the way the partisan extremist believes they think. More of a partisan extremists's 'it's one pole or its opposite, no variation, no middle ground'. I agree with Emerson's 'a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds', a quote for the little-minded partisan extremists who consistently - foolishly - frame issues as one pole or its opposite. But then that's been the tactic of those pushing for their leader to divide and conquer for a pretty long time.

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You have to have a stone cold heart. I can't get that out of my mind.

I agree. I also can't get the image of David Dorn breathing out his last on facebook live. You have to have a frigid heart to kill this black man so that you can loot a pawnshop and then justify it because another black man was killed. I was hoping Al Sharpton would be more vocal and dramatic about this. But alas, there's not a huge state settlement on the horizon to get a slice of. Oh well, hopefully when Floyd's state funerals are over, Dorn's gofundme will have enough for a common funeral. Maybe the celebrities bailing out the looters could donate to Dorn's funeral?

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I'd say millions of American citizens have made this a spectacle. But I know the far right use KISS principles; they need to have faces to point to as 'enemies', especially when those faces are people they consider to be 'others'.

Antifa.

More divide and conquer.

Tactics used by despots throughout history. How did cults of personalties work out in the 1930s? Actually how have they ever worked out.

So advocating vandalism and lawlessness is acceptable? Really?

Now you know why the Trump administration labeled them (and rightfully so) a terrorist organization.

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More of a partisan extremist saying Democrats (i.e. those alien forces long dwelling in the partisan extremists's bean) have to think the way the partisan extremist believes they think.

Lipstick on a pig is still a pig, liberals need to man up admit their wrongdoing and stop this nonsense.

More of a partisan extremists's 'it's one pole or its opposite, no variation, no middle ground'.

Antifas exact MO.

I agree with Emerson's 'a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds', a quote for the little-minded partisan extremists who consistently - foolishly - frame issues as one pole or its opposite. But then that's been the tactic of those pushing for their leader to divide and conquer for a pretty long time.

So vandalism, attacking the police, rioting and looting is the answer? Now how dumb is that?

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Bass4funk,they are building a jail around Trump, so he can be arrested, when Biden is sworn in as President, Trump is so weak, that the military command has censored him, not everyday that cabinet members, rebuke their President

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Antifas exact MO.

Antifa is the “socialist” of the week. The right’s new boogeyman.

A non-existent group, with no leader, no organization and no members, has an MO.

Yeah right.

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First its Antifa doesnt exist, then liberal dont exist, now "Democrats" dont exist either?

More of a partisan extremist saying Democrats (i.e. those alien forces long dwelling in the partisan extremists's bean

Please explain why Joe Biden was able to invite himself to the funeral? Klobuchar and Omar were there today, did they know Mr. Floyd?

Today was "politicians, civil rights leaders and celebrities" in attendance, according to the news.

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There are in fact leaders and members of Antifa. Here are some:

Third man charged in alleged antifa assault of two Marine reservists in Philadelphia

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/01/30/third-man-charged-in-alleged-antifa-assault-of-two-marine-reservists-in-philadelphia/

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First its Antifa doesnt exist, then liberal dont exist, now "Democrats" dont exist either?

More hyperbolic misrepresentation of what was said by the other team, allowing you to express anger about this misrepresentation, thereby sidestepping actual discussion of the situation.

It’s just one more side-stepping tactic by the right to avoid discussing the failures of their policies.

This refusal to discuss any issue has created a toxic politics environment based purely in scoring points, and very rarely in any kind of actual discussion on an issue.

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https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2018/12/18/im-mexican-marines-bewildered-after-being-called-nazis-beat-up-by-alleged-antifa-mob/

‘I’m Mexican!’ — Marines ‘bewildered’ after being called ‘Nazis,’ beat up by alleged antifa mob

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I discussed the situation directly. I want to know why Joe Biden invited himself to this funeral and why Democrats are using the body of this man and get 4 funerals for a 6 day tour all over the country to push a political agenda.

More hyperbolic misrepresentation of what was said by the other team, allowing you to express anger about this misrepresentation, thereby sidestepping actual discussion of the situation.

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they are building a jail around Trump, so he can be arrested,

Uh-Huh..lol

when Biden is sworn in as President,

That won’t happen.

Trump is so weak, that the military command has censored him, not everyday that cabinet members, rebuke their President.

Well, actually not really, if Trump makes it an executive order they would have to, if not, they would be replaced for someone that would and besides, no one cares what these Yes, sir fools think, they are not the President. If they want their voices to be heard, take off the uniform, run a campaign, win an election, other than that, no one gives a fruit.

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last week, liberals claimed no one can go to church, even less than 10 people. coronavirus! 100K deaths and 41 million unemployed!

Arent these services being held in churches? With hundreds of people? so this is ok now for people to return to church and work and gather in large groups of hundreds or thousands?

When coronavirus cases spike in Minnesota, Texas and NY in 2 weeks, how will you spin this to be Trumps fault? and if they dont, we were lied to. lose/lose for Team Democrat.

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There have also been peaceful protests which were attacked by the police with tear gas, rubber bullets and flash bangs. Like the one outside the White House when Trump decided he needed a TV op at the church of St. John, with his general in camouflage.

"Several protesters and the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Thursday challenging the federal use of force to disperse a peaceful protest in Washington, DC, ahead of President Donald Trump's photo-op at a local church. "

News crews foreign and domestic have also been attacked by the cops.

At least 125 press freedom violations were reported by journalists across the U.S. in the last three days of protest, the Committee to Protect Journalists said.

"The ACLU is also filing lawsuits across the country in response to use of force against journalists. "

Cops and national guards, about 7 of them surrounded two black students in their car, driving home, smashed up the car, tased the students and stuck knives into the tires. Those officers have been suspended.

So advocating vandalism and lawlessness is acceptable? Really?

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There are in fact leaders and members of Antifa. Here are some:

Where is their website? Where is their organization located? Structured?

Third man charged in alleged antifa assault of two Marine reservists in Philadelphia

Did you not bother to read the article? It certainly does not support your claim that Antifa is anything other than the right’s boogeyman of the week.

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seems you would be aware of their website and social media. One of many

https://rosecityantifa.org/

Sure it does. Antifa thought Hispanics were Nazis. They are Antifa because there was a right leaning event being held in the area at the time and they were there to oppose it. Antifa. They even questioned these Marines if they were Proud Boys, Antifa's arch enemy.

Did you not bother to read the article? It certainly does not support your claim that Antifa is anything other than the right’s boogeyman of the week.

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I want to know why Joe Biden invited himself to this funeral

Because he's doing what leaders who know how to motivate the people do - trying to motivate the people, by showing leadership.

I hate it that this even needs explanation. This is what used to be called "presidential". Now the current political climate has turned it into something to be derided.

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Their main website was rightly shut down by Germany,

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/world/europe/germany-bans-far-left-antifa-website.html

So now, why is Biden and random celebrities a part of the funeral tour for Mr. Floyd?

When does Mr. Dorn get his public event with stops in multiple states?

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Arent these services being held in churches? With hundreds of people? so this is ok now for people to return to church and work and gather in large groups of hundreds or thousands?

The premise here is that many people in the world expressed concern about the conglomeration of people in churches last week, out of worry of spread of Covid, and that the people in the churches this week are somehow the exact same subset of society that was making the claim last week.

All of which detracts from the conversation about police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution.

And the problem never gets fixed.

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Ok, Trump can just annouce he will attend, right?

To show leadership as he, unlike Biden, is actually in a leadership position.

Let me guess, Trump is "not invited" and unwelcome.

Because he's doing what leaders who know how to motivate the people do - trying to motivate the people, by showing leadership.

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https://rosecityantifa.org/

A few people in one city put up a welfare website.

And this is what you call a terrorist organization?

The boogeyman of the week - Antifa - is a tactic by the right to sidestep the conversation about police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution.

And nothing gets fixed.

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Antifa thought Hispanics were Nazis.

Yes yes, this boogeyman, the most feared organization on the planet, who can't even put together a decent website, or get spokesmen, or even put out any kind of manifesto, are more of a problem than police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution.

And therefore we need to not discuss that issue and focus on Antifa.

And the problem never gets fixed.

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This conversation is actually about the funeral service. And why its now ok for hundred or thousands of people to congregate in church for this? Coronavirus affects the black population disproportionately right? "Celebrities" from out of state are travelling for this, then returning to their home states to expose others?

Plus multiple funerals in multiple sites will also spread the virus, wont it? Or we dont care about corona when there is politicization of a funeral to get rolling for 6 days?

The police brutality is a separate conversation topic.

All of which detracts from the conversation about police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution.

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Please explain why Joe Biden was able to invite himself to the funeral? 

Biden's motives, I think, are very transparent. He's pandering to the black vote. We'll see if he'll go to David Dorn's funeral. If he doesn't, then we know concretely what Biden's about. Dorn's is a black life that doesn't matter because there's no votes to get, no settlement to divvy up.

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Ok, Trump can just annouce he will attend, right?

He can announce whatever he wants. The people at the funeral will decide on whether they want him there based on his track record, the same as they did Biden.

To show leadership as he, unlike Biden, is actually in a leadership position.

I'm reading this that your criticism is that Biden showed leadership by going to the funeral, is that he's bad because Trump didn't.

But, I can see how that comes across as hyperbolic, and in these troubling times, I'm trying not to be. But I'm just not seeing how Trump not doing anything has any bearing on whether Biden is showing leadership or not.

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deflections arent working. Yes, police brutality is a bigger issue than Antifa right now. There are many bigger issues.

But that doesnt mean you can simply claim they dont exist and are not a problem. The riots caused by whites in black neighborhoods and then blamed on black citizens is wrong. easy to see that.

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This conversation is actually about the funeral service.

Framing it that way allows from sidestep of any discussion on police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution. And therefore we need to not discuss that issue and focus on whether Trump and/or Biden are heros or evil for going to the funeral.

And the problem never gets fixed.

And why its now ok for hundred or thousands of people to congregate in church for this?

Framing it that way allows from sidestep of any discussion on police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution. And therefore we need to not discuss that issue and focus on whether people are going to get covid at the funeral.

And the problem never gets fixed.

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deflections arent working. Yes, police brutality is a bigger issue than Antifa right now. There are many bigger issues.

Switching to "many bigger issues" allows for the deflection of the current issue, police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution. And therefore we need to not discuss that issue because there are "many bigger issues".

And the problem never gets fixed.

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No, I am saying Biden has no "leadership" position at this time. why is he there at the funeral, considering all the racist comments he has made? Who is he representing?

Although he does claim to have a mandate to demand that all black people must vote for him. He also claims to speak on behalf of the black community time to time and is allowed to judge which people with black skin are and are not "black". I have no idea where he gets this from, maybe cause he claims to be Barack Obama's friend?

I'm reading this that your criticism is that Biden showed leadership by going to the funeral, is that he's bad because Trump didn't.

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I say his name, George Floyd, and stand in solidarity with all those who protest the violent death of this man.

He was most certainly not a saint, as even George himself would tell anyone. Yet he was doing his best to get over his past, and no one like George deserved to be murdered like he did by four rogue cops.

No justice, no peace.

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that doesnt mean you can simply claim they dont exist and are not a problem.

I can certainly point out that anyone can claim they are antifa, and that anyone can make any statement about what antifa thinks, and as that person has declared themselves antifa that means their statement, even if it's "I believe all farts should be bottled and stored in a vault for the future of all mankind" would be then justifiably considered as antifa's MO.

Meanwhile, there's this issue of police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution. And therefore we need to not discuss that issue because the right is claims to be freaked out about a few unorganized losers.

And the problem never gets fixed.

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I can certainly point out that anyone can claim they are antifa, and that anyone can make any statement about what antifa thinks, and as that person has declared themselves antifa that means their statement, even if it's "I believe all farts should be bottled and stored in a vault for the future of all mankind" would be then justifiably considered as antifa's MO.

Uh oh. Here come the can't we all just get along arguments.

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because despite your desperation, this article is about the funeral. not another issue that you want to speak about.

As far as the funeral, why is Biden going (what is his relationship to Mr. Floyd or the black community?) and what about coronavirus spread are the two main questions to be answered.

Framing it that way allows from sidestep of any discussion on police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution. And therefore we need to not discuss that issue and focus on whether Trump and/or Biden are heros or evil for going to the funeral.

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Is it just me or does it seems Trump fans will talk about anything that doesn't include this black man being murdered by police and the systemic problems overall?

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why do the "why cant we just all get along/we need to unite, not divide!" arguments come only when I have been proven right? funny, like that.

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anyway, I have made my points for this one.

People can consider why coronavirus suddenly isnt a concern and why Biden is in attendance if they care to, or ignore it if its convenient or if they dont care.

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Peaceful protests still taking place across the country.

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No, I am saying Biden has no "leadership" position at this time.

Biden is literally in a job interview for the position of leader of the country.

It would seem to be an entirely appropriate time to show leadership.

Yet, the right criticizes this thing that was once called presidential.

why is he there at the funeral, considering all the racist comments he has made? Who is he representing?

Whom from the funeral is complaining about him being there? Because if they aren't your concerns aren't relevant, as he was in a place he was welcome to be. Not only was he there, he was welcomed there.

You're condemning a guy for trying to show leadership for the nation, for trying to show compassion to people who are in pain, and feeling anger, about the murder of one of their own.

That's the state of the political environment that the right has created. Toxic. Gross. Disgusting.

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why do the "why cant we just all get along/we need to unite, not divide!" arguments come only when I have been proven right? funny, like that.

I agree with you. I think we all know antifa is real and that Biden is only going to this funeral to pander. Afterall, this the first time he's gone to a black funeral in 30 years in the senate and 8 as VP. More incidents of police brutality have occurred while he was VP than have occured while Trump's been P. Bit know all of sudden Biden's heart is aching. I'm just saying get ready for the extreme exaggerations and hyperbole that mean utter nonsense, such as farts in vault.

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Uh oh. Here come the can't we all just get along arguments.

So rather than addressing the very valid point made - that anyone can claim to be antifa, and anyone can put out an antifa manifesto - some claim about something irrelevant is made, sidestepping any actual discussion of the issue.

This is the toxic environment of today, and why nothing gets fixed.

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because despite your desperation, this article is about the funeral.

And the funeral is exactly because of the issue I brought up.

not another issue that you want to speak about.

Another statement that allows you to sidestep the issue without ever having any discussion on it.

And nothing ever gets fixed.

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Is it just me or does it seems Trump fans will talk about anything that doesn't include this black man being murdered by police and the systemic problems overall?

Today, I'm avoiding using their own tactics against them, as is my usually MO, and just pointing out their refusal to discuss any issues, sidestepping anything and everything.

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Why is it suddenly a personal choice to go outside and protest -or- stay home? there was no such choice prior to this.

America, gotta love it. You can get arrested for opening a business but not for looting, burning or vandalizing one.

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anyway, I have made my points for this one.

And sidestepped any discussion whatsoever on the points brought up about Trump, your team, and the issue of police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution. But you got to score your points.

And the problem never gets fixed.

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I agree with you. I think we all know antifa is real

I think some people really decide to claim they are antifa.

And that Biden is only going to this funeral to pander.

No, we do not all know that. It's a politically expedient statement to make when you are trying to avoid any discussion of your own leader's potential failings, and is very cynical.

Afterall, this the first time he's gone to a black funeral in 30 years in the senate and 8 as VP.

Is it? And which of these funerals were held when he trying to be the leader of the nation, in the face of a nation with an absent leader?

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 I think we all know antifa is real

But Trump hasn't had them designated as a terror group which means Trump is weak and can't get things done. Who is the leader of this group? If they are a terror group that means they have to have a leader.

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none of which are the topic of this article and all of which have been discussed ad nauseum in daily articles for over a week. This is about the funeral. Coronavirus threat and the politicization. which are inconvenient topics for you, so you keep trying to go back to "police brutality". which is not what this article is about, its about the funeral.

Last "political" funeral Biden was at, was for the Grand Wizard of the KKK. gave the eulogy.

And sidestepped any discussion whatsoever on the points brought up about Trump, your team, and the issue of police brutality in America where a disproportionate number of unarmed young black men are executed by the police, then to top it off, face minimal or no retribution. But you got to score your points.

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just ruined your own denials. he is only going for politics, exactly.

which of these funerals were held when he trying to be the leader of the nation

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Biden is attending this funeral because poor people are just as bright and just as talented as white people.

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he is only going for politics, exactly.

So? We have Trump holding up the Bible and "embracing" Christianity they way Saddam "embraced" being a Sunni Muslim for political reasons.

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none of which are the topic of this article and all of which have been discussed ad nauseum in daily articles for over a week.

No, they haven't been discussed at all, as your team sidesteps any attempt at discussion of the issue at hand, as you've been doing with Trump.

Case in point - you've never once, even once, admitted Trump has done anything stupid or wrong.

The idea that he has done 100% nothing wrong, and 100% everything right, and therefore the country falling apart is 100% someone else's fault, even though he's the leader, is not one based in reality.

However, taking that stance, and refusing to every deal with any issue that ever comes up serves as an efficient way of ever having an honest discussion on a topic.

Complaining about Biden doing the thing formerly known as presidential - aka showing leadership - diverts from any honest discussion of actual issues.

And nothing ever gets fixed.

Moderator: Please skip the "And nothing ever gets fixed" sign-off. You've used it enough, thank you.

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the actions of the police office in this case led to the tragic loss of one previous black life.

The riots and the aftermath has led to the deaths of multiple black men at the hands of violent rioters. Property damage and theft in the 100s of millions of dollars. Injuries to over 150 police officers of all races, and police deaths.

Not to count the 10s of thousands who will now get coronavirus. from the riots and the funerals, then spread it back to their communities.

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not "previous" (should be "precious")

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the actions of the police office in this case led to the tragic loss of one previous black life.

Yeah, because it's one case. It's not even the only case this week.

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because you wont stop obsessing about Trump in an article about a black man's funeral. Now any comments about Biden's attendance or the coronavirus spread this could cause, or anything at all about the funeral?

And nothing ever gets fixed.

Another new repetitive catchphrase being tried out? Nah, its worse than the others.

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the actions of the police office in this case led to the tragic loss of one previous black life.

The riots and the aftermath has led to the deaths of multiple black men at the hands of violent rioters. Property damage and theft in the 100s of millions of dollars. Injuries to over 150 police officers of all races, and police deaths.

Pointing out that we need to stop looting, without having an honest discussion of the issues at hand - like a president who is being divisive and putting out racist statements in this current time of troubles - doesn't further the story whatsoever. Trying to pretend he is not worthy of any criticism whatsoever means that no honest discussion is ever had.

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that topic has been discussed over and over every day for a week. Can you not go 10 minutes without talking about Trump? he is not the end result of every single conversation.

Pointing out that we need to stop looting, without having an honest discussion of the issues at hand - like a president who is being divisive and putting out racist statements in this current time of troubles - doesn't further the story whatsoever. Trying to pretend he is not worthy of any criticism whatsoever means that no honest discussion is ever had.

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Blacklabel and Strangerland, please take a break for a few hours from this thread. You are just going around in circles.

Trump has threatened to send U.S. troops to stamp out civil unrest against the wishes of state governors. That alarmed current and former military officials.

Trump's understanding of the military came from the private military reform school his rich daddy sent him to. At the school and through bullying, which he could do because he had a rich daddy backing him up and pulling strings, Trump learned the notion of 'dominating'. One he's never forgot.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-01/trump-calls-on-police-to-dominate-following-floyd-s-death

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Property damage and theft in the 100s of millions of dollars

That has nothing to do with me. My home area is a safe white neighborhood. But as a white person I want Trump to stop wasting my taxes on the mass incarceration (10x rate that of Japan) and he has failed. Trump is screwing me over with this as well as with TrumpCare.

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So the protests are actually more detrimental to blacks than the officer arrested.

The protests are done so that what the white officer did, kill an unarmed black man using excessive force, won't happen, again.

If many conservatives believe what you wrote as true, then America is divided and will never recover. There are lessons to be learned, but for those who believe there are no lessons and the protests more detrimental, using numbers of deaths as an argument, they're flat out wrong in their ignorant assessment of what's going on and not bothering to care about all of America, a most unpatriotic act.

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Just a quick glance at what Obama had to say about looting during the Baltimore riots and the "thugs." Items can be replaced but lives cannot? You can't say that and not acknowledge the 15 plus people who have died since the start of this.

https://youtu.be/ORRWAby4rrE

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Trump's former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, after long refusing to explicitly criticize his former boss, denounced any militarization of the response to protests. The U.S. military rarely clashes with the president.

"Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try," 

Yeah, he's a disgruntled former cabinet member who got fired for his opposition to Trump's decision to remove U.S. troops from the area in Syria near the border with Turkey and keep them out of the conflict between Turkey and the Kurds.

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RIP George Floyd and all the other American heroes who have died at the hands of a brutal bigoted system.

Hopefully this is the catalyst for a new America.

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that’s a fact and especially for the elites.

What's wrong with being an elite? Look at the Republican leadership and see how poor their states are like Kentucky, Alabama, Mississippi. Compared to the smart states up north. I would like an elite person as a leader.

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Trump's decision to remove U.S. troops from the area in Syria near the border with Turkey and keep them out of the conflict between Turkey and the Kurds.

Ah, yes. When the US (or rather, the trump administration) betrayed their allies who'd fought and died for them.

That won't be forgotten, either.

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The protests are done so that what the white officer did, kill an unarmed black man using excessive force, won't happen, again.

How about so that police officers no longer use excessive force and kill unarmed people. Is there any evidence that this was racialy motivated? These kinds of things also often happen to white people.

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Last "political" funeral Biden was at, was for the Grand Wizard of the KKK. gave the eulogy.

Black - I don't think many will take this seriously, but I decided to look at what you were on about.

He attended the funeral of Senator Robert Byrde, who was in his youth a member of the Klan - something he regretted and spoke against. He was never the Grand Wizard.

I would not want to think that you were deliberately spreading falsehoods, so were obviously unaware of the truth. In that sense, you were also a victim of right-wing propaganda. It just shows how easily lies can be spread on fertile ground.

I appreciate that you may be embarrassed about inadvertently spreading misinformation, but don't be - it's easy for anyone to fall victim.

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