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Yes or No? Vital vote on Brexit plan set for Saturday in UK

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What a mess. Best answer is to have another referendum - the first vote was too narrow to really demonste a resounding opinion of the people.

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We should write a big message in the fields of Calais -- "WE DON'T WANT YOU ANYMORE".

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The last time I was in the UK I encountered more foreign born people than native Brits.

Immigration policy in the UK has been a failure.

Brexit will enable a more strict policy on immigration.

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This marvelous deal is the one the EU suggested to May a year ago which she rejected because the Brexiteers in her party objected to it.

Now suddenly with Boris's name on it it the best deal since sliced bread.

Boris just sold the Northern Irish down the river, they don't know how lucky they are.

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May's deal was rejected because she is a woman. Parliament is a sexist institute.

The last time I was in the UK I encountered more foreign born people than native Brits.

90% of people living in Britain are British people born there.

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The DUP of Northern Ireland also part of the problem and the Stormont parliament which wants to remain with the rest of the UK without any customs border but also have no border with the EU country Ireland and EU rules dictates there must be a border.

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The DUO wanted no change and the majority of Northern Ireland voted to remain has did Scotland.

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I am fairly confident that this will not be resolved on Saturday.

Something tells me that, given all of the competing and conflicting objectives of the various groups in Parliament, we are going to see this play out all the way up until 31 October, if not beyond.

Just my prediction. But I may be proven wrong.

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One substantial difference between Theresa May and Boris Johnson deals is the future economic status of Northern Ireland post UK withdrawal , specifically to secure the U.K.’s status as a distinct economic unit and how that affects the management of the customs/border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

There is a conundrum in fully explaining the methodology used to check goods entering EU member Ireland central to existing customs and tariffs that will effect business between the U.K. and the EU after Brexit.

Also taking a read of economic partnership agreement whole sections have been removed and no mention of alignment with EU rules and regulations in key sectors and most importantly in EU single market rules.

One important item missing and will not be published before Saturdays vote is any impact assessment. It is a crucial flaw, MP's will not have any reference to risk in key economic elevation.

UK could effectively fully diverge for all EU laws and its regulatory framework.

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Thats evaluation, not elevation

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Photo: "BRITAIN NOW WANTS TO REMAIN"

Didn't know they had a second referendum.

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I am fairly confident that this will not be resolved on Saturday.

Yes, that looks likely. There is an amendment, likely to pass, to defer judgment.

For anyone saying "not again", this deal was partly announced on Twitter two days ago and most MPs have had barely any chance to read it, let alone take it in. No official economic study has been made of it. Voting on it blind would be more of that melodramatic "do or die" nonsense.

We have many "Super Saturdays" in the UK, hyped football matches between top teams. Like many of them, this could well end in a boring goalless draw.

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With all that flooding in the background, this farmer probably needs further European compensation.

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This is a terrible deal. I hope it fails to pass. That means default no-deal Brexit on October 31st.

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This is a terrible deal. I hope it fails to pass. That means default no-deal Brexit on October 31st.

Where are you getting this from?

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 That means default no-deal Brexit on October 31st.

No it doesnt law has been passed that means a No deal Brexit is illegal and if Boris tries to defy it hell most likely lose his case in court as hell be breaking the law by refusing, also meaning hell need to resign so somebody else who is willing to get a deal will negotiate with the EU.

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@zichi

The perception in the UK (of British indigenous people) is that it is becoming overrun with foreigners that have little allegiance to British values.

The effect of this mass influx is that British institutions such as the ‘local’ are closing down.

There are also many visa overstayers in the UK.

Any big city in the UK has a large number of foreign born people that the mass media promotes as having ‘values’ that must be promoted and respected at the expense of the indigenous population.

Brexit will hopefully secure against the above....

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kurisupisu

I continue to disagree with your assessment

Local are closing down because less people are using them. No one in my family ever mentions foreigners

https://fullfact.org/immigration/how-many-people-overstay-visas/

"British indigenous people"

who do you mean? All people born in the UK and entitled to live there? All people entitled to live there?

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Yeah islands, do you recon you are out of your continent?

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who do you mean? All people born in the UK and entitled to live there? All people entitled to live there?

face it zichi, you know and I know that he's just trying to say all the people who aren't a certain color in the UK. Because, in certain narrow minds, that's how you can tell who is and who isn't British.

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The effect of this mass influx is that British institutions such as the ‘local’ are closing down.

Pubs have been closing partly because of changing tastes and also in some areas because of rising residential property prices. Apart from a handful of areas, they have not closed because of immigration.

This is, however the sentiment that the Leave campaign has capitalised on. As far as I can see, our east European cousins drink as much as the Brits. Brexit will not lead to a decrease in South Asian immigration - if anything it will lead to an increase.

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The majority of voters voted to leave, not for a deal that some are calling a surrender treaty.

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I have been against Brexit,but very much opposed to a do-over. Lost a referendum when it would have been easier to survive it,so no second chance needed.Unfortunately those who voted for Leave will not bear the economic pain of withdrawing,because they have money or want ethnic groups out no matter what. So the only angst I feel is for those voting Remain,but will suffer the brunt of not being under the EU umbrella.

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What a mess. Best answer is to have another referendum

And if the Remainers lose that narrowly? A third one?

This is interesting -

Nigel Farage Would Prefer a General Election Over Boris Johnson's Deal | Good Morning Britain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFsFzuuUtXw

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And if the Remainers lose that narrowly? A third one?

No, just make the next one binding. The first one wasn't. People who didn't vote, due to it not being binding, deserve to have their say.

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This marvelous deal is the one the EU suggested to May a year ago which she rejected because the Brexiteers in her party objected to it.

It is not the deal I would have liked to see, but it is way better than May's disastrous surrender document. Seems to me it puts the remoaners in a difficult spot. Since the EU actually agreed to this one, can they really oppose it?

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Nigel Farage Would Prefer a General Election Over Boris Johnson's Deal | Good Morning Britain

You were supporting Johnson’s deal the other day saying it was better than May’s deal.

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The Remainers are trying to thwart a democratic vote to leave the EU. Further delay only delays the will of the people with the hope that a new way is found to prevent the consequences of the vote.

If Parliament remains paralyzed Johnson is obligated to force a hard break. Then the Parliament can sort out the wreckage of their own making later. Honor the vote and leave the EU!

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It is not the deal I would have liked to see, but it is way better than May's disastrous surrender document.

Please lay out the details of that for us. The hard Brexiteers are saying it’s basically the same thing.

remoaners

Childish nonsense which has no place in adult conversation.

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It is not the deal I would have liked to see, but it is way better than May's disastrous surrender document.

If her so-called surrender document was disastrous and Johnson's isn't, why is May's document the basis for Johnson's? The vast majority of the new document is literally the same wording as the old document.

"Guardian analysis shows less than 5% of the original deal has been renegotiated":

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/oct/18/how-much-johnson-great-new-deal-actually-new

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Guardian analysis shows less than 5% of the original deal has been renegotiated

It’s not just the Guardian. Farage is saying the same thing.

I think we can rule out a globalist, corporate MSM plot putting out fake news here.

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Either-ways, the UK is screwed.

If they rejoin the EU ... how do you think the rest of the EU will view the UK ?

If they pull away, under the current "deal", how do you feel the majority who voted to leave will feel that the conditions of exit have been met ?

A "No Deal" exit would I believe in hindsight, have been best for the UK, but the UK is screwed up from the inside and needs to see this.

The UK is not a Democracy, plain and simple.

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wipeout:

If her so-called surrender document was disastrous and Johnson's isn't, why is May's document the basis for Johnson's?

Because he inherited the mess and had to deal both this horrible document and the remainer traitors in his party.

It is better because the so-called "backstop" is gone. Fundamentally, if approved Boris deal should lead to an integration of Northern Ireland into Ireland. And why not? A majority of Northern Irelanders wanted to stay in Merkel/Macaronis empire, so they will get their wish.

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It is way better because the so called “backstop” is gone

Anything else which makes it way better? I’m not in any way dismissing the importance of dealing with the situation regarding NI, but can you lay out what makes this deal ‘way better’ for those living in GB?

The remainers and brexiteers seem to agree that it’s basically May’s deal. What do you see that they don’t?

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Because he inherited the mess and had to deal both this horrible document and the remainer traitors in his party.

It's not actually possible to be a traitor to Boris Johnson. He has shown no loyalty to his colleagues - that's over the whole course of his career - and he has done nothing to earn any.

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The five percent outlined in the Guardian article are substantial changes and omissions as I outlined earlier. Without repeating myself.

German chancellor stated as such......

Speaking to reporters at the Elysée Palace, the German leader outlined a wide range of areas — including trade, climate policy and artificial intelligence — in which Berlin and Paris aim to cooperate more closely. EU officials have repeatedly insisted that the U.K. must commit to a level playing field on issues like state aid or the EU would refuse to eliminate tariffs under a future EU-U.K. trade deal.

Areas, including UK commitment to a playing field, are notably missing from Johnson's so called deal and political declaration, replaced with the vague “the United Kingdom will consider aligning with union rules in relevant areas”. This effectively allows the UK to disengage and deviate from existing EU rules,Laws, and Regulations.

Merkel sees post-Brexit UK as ‘potential competitor’ to EU.....

https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-sees-post-brexit-uk-as-potential-competitor-to-eu-emmanuel-macron/

Farage is more panto than politician, a skilled orator and debater.

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Brexit will soon turn out to have been much ado about nothing and the clownish de Pfeffel will, like his moronic, Teutonic landsman Drumpf, end up as just a pile of piffle in footnotes to history.

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The Remainers are trying to thwart a democratic vote to leave the EU.

It was a non-binding referendum.

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Boris just sent a letter to the EU asking for an extension, but not signed, so he doesnt need to get in that ditch. LMFAO

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The UK is not a Democracy, plain and simple.

why isnt it a democracy, even Boris was forced to ask for an extension as the law states, meaning even the highest position in the UK isnt above the law. Unlike some other so called democracies around the world

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