Zelenskyy says Ukraine's shock Kursk attack to pressure Russia and 'restore justice'

I still remember when the Russian tanks were on the border with Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict, and the Russians were saying, oh, no, that isn't an attack force.... they are just "training exercises." I imagine the UN remembers that too.

Moskalkova said she was asking the U.N. Human Rights commissioner to "take measures to prevent gross mass violations of human rights".

Horrible that Russian civilians might experience some of the terror that Ukrainian civilians have endured these past few years at the hands of Putin's invaders. But then it may be some of the Russians at risk are among those that 'voted' for the 71 year old Putin to be their leader until 2036, to them I say you get what you voted for. And hope the Russian medical system is able to tend to them, or maybe Russia's partners Iran, North Korea and China can provide assistance.

He's right that Ukraine is owed big time by fascist Russia. Removal from Ukrainian land will be just the down payment.

Ukrainian and Russian troops can all withdraw back to their countries. This will end the war, and there will be peace.

Hopefully Ukraine can capture the Kursk nuclear plant and demand the return of their plant.

Go Ukraine! Destroy as much as you can! Bring destruction, death, and pain to Russia. They deserve to understand how their terrorist nation feels to others.

I doubt they have any intention of doing this. It would be too easy to just surround the power plant and cut off supplies.

Hopefully Ukraine can capture the Kursk nuclear plant and demand the return of their plant.

Bring destruction, death, and pain to Russia

Just one problem with that plan.

Zelensky's best fighters and $150 billion in US weapons have been stopped by 17 year old conscripts.

Zelensky's invasion force is surrounded and contained.

The invasion plan failed.

fallaffelToday 07:18 am JST

I doubt they have any intention of doing this. It would be too easy to just surround the power plant and cut off supplies.

Can't cut off power and water to a nuclear power plant less events take an even worse turn. Can't even cut off food as the engineers need to be able to do their job.

But then it may be some of the Russians at risk are among those that 'voted' for the 71 year old Putin to be their leader until 2036, to them I say you get what you voted for.

Why are you worried about Russians??? Putin's power as president will last until 2030. Everything is stable in Russia. You should worry about Americans! It is the American who replace one bloodthirsty boss with another no less bloody one. Another election performance is coming soon. The whole world is already stocking up on popcorn. In Ukraine, they have already decided to live without elections at all. You are still listening to the night nonsense of drunken Zel, who is no one anymore by ukr law! Why do you never speak to the point? What does Putin have to do with it?

Why " until 2036" ??? Where have u got the number?

Zelensky's best fighters and $150 billion in US weapons have been stopped by 17 year old conscripts.

Heh, you be talking Russia. Ukraine took out all the men of reasonable age a couple of years ago into this 72-hour special invasion of Ukraine, currently ongoing in Russia.

The invasion plan failed.

Yes, the plan for the 72-hour special invasion of Ukraine certainly has failed. Unless someone thinks that Russia had it in the plans that Russia would be invaded as part of Russia's 72 hour special invasion into Ukraine...?

What does Putin have to do with it?

Errr… everything.

Everything is stable in Russia.

Kurkians are literally begging Putin to save their lives from a military invasion.

Yeah, everything in stable. Is that what the fake-news Russia media is lying to you?

I'm guessing Putin woke up this morning in a great mood, whistling a tune, listening to the love in the air while drinking his coffee as his nation is invaded due to his incompetence.

How do you get your own country invaded as part of a special invasion into another? I can't imagine how Russia could look more incompetent. Can anyone else? There must be a way that Russia could look more incompetent than they do right now, but even me, an exceptionally intelligent person, can't see how Russia could look more incompetent than they do right now.

Maybe some of our Kremlin-sponsored posters can help? Any ideas of how Russia could look less competent? Maybe if we brainstorm some ideas, you guys can feel better by thinking 'well it could be worse'...

@:fallafel: Ukrainian and Russian troops can all withdraw back to their countries. This will end the war, and there will be peace.

Nailed it, the above is the peace plan. Hopefully followed by Russia and its partners paying for the damage they've caused, followed by Russia releasing the Ukrainian children that have been kidnapped. And thenPutin standing down, or getting stood down.

Don't you care at all that Ukraine bombs the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant every day? The IAEA has never recorded these facts. The IAEA does not see where the missiles are coming from. Today, after the impact of the APU drone at the NPP, the non-functioning cooling tower No. 1 was damaged, plastic steam traps caught fire, the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia reported. The most interesting thing is that the UN already has a draft resolution in case of bombing of both the Zaporozhye and Kursk nuclear power plants. Everyone in the world has known everything since a long time. Kursk is not Zelensky's madness, it is a carefully developed operation by Western curators.

I don't read media, I read telegram, information from the front line. Most of the local posters read nothing but JT

PrimusinterToday 07:26 am JST

Tanks were only rolling one way on Feb. 24th, 2022.

As for today's shelling of the Zaporozhskaya nuclear power plant.

The IAEA said their representatives heard an explosion before the fire.

IAEA refers to Zelensky's words on its social networks. This is nonsense! How do Zelensky and his entourage know what is happening at the nuclear power plant? They are not there :))))

I have no doubt that when the Ukrainians bomb the Kursk nuclear power plant, the IAEA will declare that Russia is bombing itself.

It is impossible to imagine such a volume of deception and self-deception.

It is impossible to imagine such a volume of deception and self-deception.

Putin’s fans are doing fine.

What is utterly ironic and so highlights the hypocrisy and ridiculousness of our MAGA-friends is they say their tagline is “Never Surrender”,,,,when they have completely surrendered on their pledge that life begins at conception…

And they fail to support democracy and liberty abroad with their Russia-worship and refusal of Ukraine aid…

The Ukrainians are giving MAGA-world and Russia a real lesson in “never surrendering” with their ongoing offensive.  That’s real courage and fighting for democracy as opposed to MAGA appeasement and cowardice..

PTownsendToday 07:49 am JST

Nailed it, the above is the peace plan. Hopefully followed by Russia and its partners paying for the damage they've caused, followed by Russia releasing the Ukrainian children that have been kidnapped. And thenPutin standing down, or getting stood down.

And then, of course, Putin and his henchmen standing trial for war crimes. That's the part I'm most looking forward to.

PrimusinterToday 07:49 am JST

I don't read media, I read telegram, information from the front line.

Then you are vastly limiting your sources of information, and not getting the whole picture. No wonder you're posting highly questionable things.

Most of the local posters read nothing but JT

I presume you don't know "most" of the people on here, so cannot know what they read. Your comment would therefore be nonsense.

Everything is stable in Russia.

Yes, consistently awful.

to pressure Russia and 'restore justice'

AND to blow the hell out of hapless Russian goobers and make the murderer from Moscow look like the foolish little gnome he is.

Don’t leave that part out!

Justice needs to be restored to the victims of the western-backed armed coup....

No word on Russian armed support for African coup leaders.

Then you are vastly limiting your sources of information, and not getting the whole picture. No wonder you're posting highly questionable things.

Who are you to teach me how to get information??? Take your feet off the table.

I don't teach you to read both-side information. I'm writing for adequate readers who are able to analyze and make up own opinion. You are free to read anything you desire.

Your posts are always empty talk, no facts but fakes. However, so does your whole team.

Justice needs to be restored to the victims of the western-backed armed coup....

Are we now asserting that there were actually US supplied baseball bats involved?

Kursk NPP will not be seized by Kyiv-regime forces. This is their last role of the dice.

Belarus is mobilizing forces and sending heavy equipment to their southern border.

The elephant in the room being the Eastern Front - the main line of contact in Donbass - is massively shifting in Russia's favor and this Kursk incursion won't change the equation there. Nor will it change the allegiance of millions of Ukrainians who have long since turned against the controversial post 2014 regime.

Ukraine has at most occupied several tens of square kilometers of Russian territory without laying claim to it, while Russia controls more than 100,000 sq km of Ukraine's internationally recognized territory.

Is this true? Several tens of kilometres? I have read expert poster opinion on here over the last few days saying UAF have captured around 400-500 sq km. But this article by Reuters says several tens of sq km. Both cant be right. Who is spreading false information here, Reuters or our expert posters? That's quite a pickle. Hmmm..

JJE

You are living in another reality. The Kursk offensive has caught the Russians completely by surprise and is a strategic success. They are quickly taking large numbers of prisoners and territoy. The Ukrainians have broken through Russian defence lines and there are no significant forces able to stop their advance. So, the Russian have lost the strategic initiative and are having to scramble. They are pulling combat-capable forces out of Eastern Front. When redploying they are vulnerable and by doing so, they weaken other areas which Ukraine can exploit at their choosing. As for Belarus, they are far less likely to join Putin's crusade than ever before.

I suggest JJE you watch some real analysis. Try this for a start.

Security and defence analyst Professor Michael Clarke gives some insight into Ukraine's goals and what could happen next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GiEg2lVDik

"Kursk" is a name that makes Russian breasts swell with pride as it was where the greatest tank battle in history took place breaking the back of German armor, a defeat which sealed the fate of the invader. The symbolism in the name has therefore been hit hard by the Ukrainians who with their bold incursion have also conjured up bad memories of the sinking of the Kursk nuclear sub that first cast doubt on Putin's competence and fitness as a leader.

Isabelle:

You sure do seem to know a lot about what's going on inside Russia. Or are you making things up? Or are you in denial?

The difference between several tens, as the article mentions, and 'hundreds' with regards to reported territory under alleged control can be explained by the nature of the incursion, misinformation and mapping.

The incursion in the initial stages featured highly mobile DRG sabotage and recon teams probing all the roads.

The chaotic nature of it inevitably led to misinformation, some of it deliberate and some not.

This resulted in the mapping being warped, with the above influencing initial reports.

However, that is a very pertinent observation from the article and the factual conclusion is obvious - this gambit is confined to the Sudzhansky District of Kursk region.

burgers and beers

Today 09:56 am JST

For once Reuters used what most military analysts count.

Ukraine has penetrated around 100 km2 but military control and how far their troops are are two different things.

Ukraine doesn't have control of the territory it is in now and is trying to dig in and only has a few small areas it has effective control.

Until an area is under effective military control it is all considered a grey zone.

This is why when we look at DeepStatemap (pro Ukrainian) and suriyakmaps Neutral) they rarely show an area as under control by either side until it is confirmed that full military control has been confirmed.

The western news accepting Kyiv press releases and Russian news (Kremlin propaganda) will make many claims of "capturing" XYZ only for a day or two later to have pulled back.

So Ukraine may have troops deeper in Russia, actually have control and holding it is a different thing.

So incursion area VS controled are.

JJEToday 09:47 am JST

Nor will it change the allegiance of millions of Ukrainians who have long since turned against the controversial post 2014 regime.

Are they in the 33% of Ukrainians who want to see a land for peace deal or the occupied areas that Russia removed from voting in Ukraine's elections?

burgers and beersToday 09:56 am JST

Ukraine has at most occupied several tens of square kilometers of Russian territory without laying claim to it, while Russia controls more than 100,000 sq km of Ukraine's internationally recognized territory.

Is this true? Several tens of kilometres? I have read expert poster opinion on here over the last few days saying UAF have captured around 400-500 sq km. But this article by Reuters says several tens of sq km. Both cant be right. Who is spreading false information here, Reuters or our expert posters? That's quite a pickle. Hmmm..

The Kursk NPP is only 60 km away so 10s of kilometers are sufficient.

" it may be some of the Russians at risk are among those that 'voted' for the 71 year old Putin to be their leader until 2036, to them I say you get what you voted for. "

It may be possible that if our expert friends lived in Russia under a ' brutal oppresive regime run by a criminal thug and killer Putin ' they would be courageously opposing such regime and fighting in the streets against it. ( or not ) . Unfortunately not everyone is as courageous, likely the 24 year pregnant woman who got shot up in her car by the invading Ukrainan force also may not have possesed such level of courage. She may or may not have voted for Putin. Unfortunately we cannot ask her that now. This war needs to end.

This war needs to end.

I agree. Everybody needs to go home to their own countries as they are internationally recognized. Everybody.

burgers and beersToday 10:24 am JST

This war needs to end.

Russian invaders need to be blown up, go back home, or a combination of the two.

Is this true? Several tens of kilometres? I have read expert poster opinion on here over the last few days saying UAF have captured around 400-500 sq km. But this article by Reuters says several tens of sq km. Both cant be right. Who is spreading false information here, Reuters or our expert posters? That's quite a pickle. Hmmm..

The Kursk NPP is only 60 km away so 10s of kilometers are sufficient."

That's very close. Do you think it will take more or less than 72 hours for Ukrainian forces to capture the Kursk NPP?

Vatniks here are having a hard time coping with the fact that Ukraine has its own little Special Military Operation in play that has seized as much ground in a few days as Russia has in over a month.

I wonder if Putin envisaged having his land grabbed when he launched his several-day land grab?

Get used to Ukraine not being defeated and not becoming part of Putin's crappy impoverished 'empire'.

For the record, Professor Michael Clarke is a clown masquerading as an analyst. Watched many of his reports on Sky News with him gesturing at a featureless map.

He boasted that Ukraine would mobilize millions and succeed in 2023 counter offensive and one could go on.

Notice on that report they won't put him near one of their maps in a studio again. Because Clarke describes the "pocket" as 'getting bigger', 40 miles deep and quote: 530 square kilometers have been taken. He even alleges there is "fighting going on in half as much again", implying there is another 265 sq/km is contested.

He is blatantly misinformed. Hard not to laugh at some of his conclusions.

Ukraine has at most occupied several tens of square kilometers of Russian territory

That is what this article says. Yet 'expert' Clarke asserts over 500 square clicks. Think of the studio map. Do you see the discrepancy?

The facts are Ukraine had some sort of plan but who knows what it was.

The nuclear power plant?

A PR move?

A bargaining chip?

Attempt to divert Russian troops for the Donetsk region and halt Russia's advance?

The first is the only one that may have worked a bit!

The others are just stupid.

Russia has more than enough troops it doesn't need to call any troops from the occupied Ukrainian territories unlike what Ukraine had to do in the Kharkiv region pulling troops from Donetsk leading to Russia's breakthrough there.

But now with the influx of more Russian troops and it being in Russia making it possible to use the 300,000 conscripts if needed.

Ukraine is going to have a hard time holding on, it is in a pocket that once enough troops and equipment are in place Russia could close the lid on them.

What the news doesn't say is that Ukraine has hit in 5 more areas in an attempt to repeat this more north and south of this.

All were hit and hit hard according to reports from both sides.

Again, Ukraine sent all it's reserves in to this battle, while Russia has at least 200,000 available plus 300,000 conscripts this is in top of the 600,000 inside occupied Ukraine.

I have been able to find a single credible western military analyst that thinks this was a good move or makes any tactical sense.

That's very close. Do you think it will take more or less than 72 hours for Ukrainian forces to capture the Kursk NPP?

Hmmm... interesting. I'm not sure I've seen any reports at all about a timeline for this. Can you find a link?

This war needs to end. - -- I agree. Everybody needs to go home to their own countries as they are internationally recognized. Everybody. '

You are right. I agree. Everybody needs to go home to their countries. But since some countries have 800+ military bases on foreign soil, it may take some time. Lots of logistics.

You are right. I agree.  Everybody needs to go home to their countries. But since some countries have 800+ military bases on foreign soil, it may take some time. Lots of logistics.

True. If they're not there at the request of the respective legitimate governments, they need to pack up and leave.

You are living in another reality. The Kursk offensive has caught the Russians completely by surprise and is a strategic success. They are quickly taking large numbers of prisoners and territoy. The Ukrainians have broken through Russian defence lines and there are no significant forces able to stop their advance. So, the Russian have lost the strategic initiative and are having to scramble.

I wonder what kind of reality you live in? Are you at least in Sumy now? or do you at least read Ukrainian networks?

The fighting in the Kursk region is slowly but surely turning into an APU safari. Yes, not as fast as we would like and as predicted.

But August 11, 2024, became a record day in its entire history in terms of the number of ukrainian equipment destroyed per day in one section of the LBS.

There will be a more accurate figure in the morning (ukrainian morning), but so far about 30 units. Lancets and ATGMs work wonders. That's how it works.

Yes, the Ukrainians took prisoners. Yes, Ukrainians shot civilians. And Ukrainians have flooded the Internet with fake photos and videos, which have misled not only the whole world, but also Russians, who are not on the side of Ukraine at all. We'll figure it out in time.

Yes, because they don't want all of the above listed down there.

It takes two to meddle.

It takes two to meddle.

No it doesn't. It only takes one. But I'm sure there were more than two Russians meddling.