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© Thomson Reuters 2024.Zelenskyy seeks diplomatic end to Russia's war; floats role for foreign troops
By Yuliia Dysa and Tom Balmforth KYIV©2025 GPlusMedia Inc.
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JJE
Ukraine will never join NATO. Moscow won't entertain the foolish concept.
Elon Musk reposted a video excerpt from this meeting relating to Zelensky discussing joining NATO, with nothing but a ‘face with raised eyebrow’ emoji (widely interpreted as scepticism, doubt, disapproval, wonder, and confusion).
Freezing the conflict is a definite non-starter: Putin has already explicitly ruled this out. The treachery and western dishonesty with the violated Minsk Agreements is still fresh in Kremlin's mind. Russian forces clearly have the initiative, so certain quarters think the pause button can simply be pressed - this is naive.
Foreign occupation troops can enter but Russian command will consider them legitimate targets, particularly if they approach the main line of contact or even the Dnieper.
The Poles might move into Lviv area (they want it back).
The premise of this article appears to be thought bubbles of Zelensky that have no real foundation in reality yet again.
TaiwanIsNotChina
The only just and lasting ceasefire will be one that doesn't reward russia's animal behavior.
TaiwanIsNotChina
russia has not paid the requisite price to enslave Ukraine and change its foreign policy.
Jee I wonder who is the idiot in this scenario. Zelenskyy is at least required to state the obvious.
Freezing the conflict is the only way to a ceasefire and russia violated Minsk six ways from Sunday.
russia will be thinking hard about attacking NATO troops directly.
The Poles want russia back in its 1991 borders.
The premise of this article is the only viable path to a ceasefire.
JJE
Foreign troops won't be covered by article 5 and they are not bullying a smaller country like Serbia. Moot point, as it doesn't appear there is much enthusiasm for this.
The most sensible way forward is for Kyiv to turn over designated territory that will join the Russia federation, save his conscript rabble from the glide bombs, demarcate the borders, declare neutrality, demilitarize, denazify, lift discriminatory language bans, and comply with arrest warrants. Then he can start trying to save his regime from the nationalists.
bass4funk
Like I said, Zelenskyy doesn’t have a lot of options, he has to take this route, there is no money left for him. He won’t be able to rely on the U.S. anymore.
Underworld
JJE
Ukraine needs security guarantees. If that’s NATO or equivalent, doesn’t matter. There will be no peace without them.
Ukraine should have been admitted to NATO years ago.
Underworld
JJE
Elon Musk is clueless about foreign policy, he should stay with what he understands.
Talk about Dunning-Kruger effect.
Underworld
bass4funk
The only just and lasting ceasefire will be one that doesn't reward russia's animal behavior.
Putin doesn’t have a lot of options either. He lost Syria because he doesn’t have the capacity and the Russian economy is collapsing.
Putin needs to think long and hard and decide what he will sacrifice to save his country.
K3PO
This conflict was designed to empty the Russian coffers, so even if the hot war ends, Russia has to think twice before further expansion.
JJE
Russia hasn't lost Syria. Bases still functional (read other article).
We've heard this song about the Russian economy collapsing. This must be the latest version.
The best security guarantee for the future Ukraine rump state is to declare strict neutrality, demilitarize etc (mentioned above) and embrace their forthcoming role as a buffer. If they keep their heads well down and comply, they are guaranteed to stay out of strife (which was the case from 91 till the coup in 2014).
bass4funk
I was talking about Putin.
Too bad for him.
Well, that’s true, but we’re not giving money to Russia, we’re giving it to Ukraine and Zelenskyy and he needs to think very hard and quick as to how he will end this because he won’t get millions anymore.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/money-report/president-elect-trump-says-ukraine-to-possibly-receive-less-military-aid/6050910/
bass4funk
What I meant to say, I was not talking about Putin. He has his own problems he has to deal with, so that’s China’s Problem, best of luck to him.
TaiwanIsNotChina
You only follow missives from Truth Social which change on a dime. Forgive me for not accepting your assessment of the military situation.
Notice the words "possibly" and "less" in there? Real definitive.
With others we know it is sarcastic but with you we know it is an honest wish for success.
Ken
Nothing foolish about it, much needed alliance for the safety of Ukraine. The only ones using Twitter or the only ones that care about Musks opinion are the same people who were cheering for Russia.
bass4funk
No, I follow reality.
You don’t have to, I never asked for you to accept anything.
The truth is hard, I get it.
I care about the U.S. only and I’m not ashamed to say it, so…
TaiwanIsNotChina
You don't speak for NATO.
You're right: russia is bullying a smaller country like Ukraine.
Basically surrender. Not sensible at all to just throw yourself at the animal assaulting you.
For now...
russia's body credit card is maxed out. No need for Zelenskyy to entertain the fevered dreams of vatniks.
TaiwanIsNotChina
The truth is hard for you, that Large Body is wavering even before he gets into office.
Ken
The whole world is watching and so is China through a magnifying glass on how they will put fear into Taiwan. Trump is in over his head and is showing the world that America is really conflicted.
His neglection of duties from what he said about what is happening with Syria is crazy, to him it isn't America's problem today but with great power there is great responsibility, if a terrorist group builds up power and weapons for years they will be a dangerous threat to the whole world, if not put in their place they will attack whoever in the same manner Israel is continuing to do
TaiwanIsNotChina
Still Putin's War.
Sources or nonsense.
bass4funk
No, it’s hard for you to understand Zelenskyy just got his final free cash from US taxpayers, it’s done and over, after next month he will need to figure out what he will do. You can get mad all you want, you will not override Trump or Congress to shake them down in giving more money to Zelenskyy, that just won’t happen, so he needs to figure out a peace negotiation plan.
Then Zelenskyy needs to talk with his European counterparts.
utorsa
Putin's best security guarantee for the future Russian rump state is to declare strict neutrality, demilitarize etc and embrace their forthcoming role as a cheap source of natural resources. If Putin keeps his head well down and complies, he is guaranteed to stay out of strife.
The Russian economy has weakened significantly as a result of Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
The new reality under Putin's Russia is prolonged challenges, including limited growth prospects, reduced foreign investment, inflation, and economic isolation.
wallace
The US gives Ukraine nearly $1 billion.
bass4funk
Not after the 20th of next month.
TaiwanIsNotChina
So much for German appeasement of Putin.
utorsa
Many Russian soldiers have reported shortages of basic supplies, including food, winter clothing, and medical aid. The lack of adequate equipment, such as modern weapons and protective gear, has made operations more dangerous and difficult. These conditions have fostered frustration and resentment among troops.
ClippetyClop
Do you think Trump should throw away his biggest bargaining chip even before any negotiations have begun? Is he that bad a businessman?
What a geopolitical business genius you are sir.
utorsa
Overall, the morale of Russian soldiers has eroded significantly due to the prolonged conflict, heavy casualties, poor conditions, and disillusionment. While some troops remain motivated by propaganda, others suffer from fatigue, inadequate support, and fear for their safety. Reports of low morale, desertion, and resistance to fighting point to a significant decline in the overall effectiveness and motivation of Russian military forces as the war drags on.
wallace
bass4funk
The US gives Ukraine nearly $1 billion
It was already received. I guess you mean Trump will stop the flow. We will have to see.
TaiwanIsNotChina
That's not what Trump said, is it?
You can get mad that Trump is flapping in the breeze, but Trump has to worry about his family name. Both the Senate and House can turn on a dime to fulfill Trump's obligation to Ukraine.
No, Trump is coming around to the reality that he can't abandon Ukraine and rely on Bass4Funk to rescue his reputation.
bass4funk
That is NOT what I said. Go back and read what I wrote.
That’s what I said, yes.
Nothing to see, Trump is not going to give Billions to Zelenskyy nor Congress. Military aid, perhaps, but probably limited.
bass4funk
He’s not throwing away anything. Zelenskyy doesn’t have any options with this new Presidency.
If he weren’t he’d be homeless and he wouldn’t be President now
Thank you.
Fos
The US administration provided over $90 billions in lethal weapons to Ukraine from the start of the conflict, creating a lot of jobs for the US economy (those are the words of Stoltenberg) and look where we are. Wall Street traders sipping champagne by the pool in Florida while 18 years old Ukraine are on the battlefront.
That is the biotin line that none of you can chance. A big thank to America for the wrong reasons.
ClippetyClop
Genius! Before going into negotiations Bass thinks Trump is going to throw away his biggest bargaining chip and go in there with absolutely nothing!
Absolutely nothing is precisely what you know about this subject.
Fos
It is far too obvious: for the US administration it was just a golden opportunity to wear down Putin, put a leash on the Europeans and make good deals on arms and energy. Always without ever crossing a certain line, without fully committing to it. Apart from the promises to the lobbies of weapons in Wall Street, Trump will only draw his own conclusions and end the war.
Ken
America wasn't the only country sending money and supplies you know
Zaphod
It is not "Russias war", and yes, since his "million man armee" has vanished, and the US now urges him to draft 17-year olds, it is no surprise he wants to hand the war over to those who fund him.
I strongly suspect that for Western politicians it is easier to send taxpayer money than to send their population to fight a pointless war.
bass4funk
Not think, this is what the people in this country voted for. Whether you believe it or not is totally irrelevant, you guys believed that Trump was never going to win reelection so vehemently, and you guys were wrong again, and Trump vowed NOT to give that country billions, even Zelenskyy knows that well is drying up, Biden as well. He just gave my hat country their last check a week ago.
Yeah, the left keep saying this, so far their predictions have been utterly wrong going by their track record this year.
Absolutely and now they will have to fill that void since the U.S. won’t be sending them billions, Europe should do more, I agree.
Zaphod
Ken
That is like saying America wasn't the only country bombing Libya, Syria or Kosovo. Does "fig leaf" mean something?
Burgerland
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made the case on Monday for a diplomatic settlement.."
Good to hear. That is quite a U-turn from Zelensky's decree that Ukraine will not negotiate with Russia while Putin is in power. Trump peacemaking already having a desired effect.
The Ukrainian leader told reporters he was hoping to call outgoing U.S. President Joe Biden in the coming days to discuss NATO membership."
Better call Donald who matters, Joe is irrelevant now.
stormcrow
Like a black whirlpool.
Antiquesaving
Wait how is this possible?
Weren't the great pundits here and the MSM pundits telling us that Russia was out of everything, the lines were at a stalemate, etc.... and that reports from places like weebunion, DPA and even pro Ukraine Deepstatemaps were all Russian propaganda!
Now suddenly Zelensky is talking negotiations!
Russia is now firmly inside Toretsk, has 3 major operational encirclements in the south, approaching the second line of defense near Pokrovsk, the BBC is reporting that Ukraine poured troops into Kursk telling them to hold on until after January 20 despite being mostly under equipped and poorly trained conscripts and keep pushing North.
Predictably now Russia has launched offensives in the south of Kursk along the border from both sides east and west Moving to encircle and cut off supplies to the tens of thousands of Ukrainian troops now inside the Kursk cauldron.
All this was pointed out months ago by those following the war that are not part of the MSM and western controlled so-called experts.
The Institute for the Study of War, that MSM and others would constantly use as their " experts" have been very consistent with their assessments and predictions and by " consistent" I mean they have consistently been wrong on every single thing.
This isn't possible unless their "assessments" were based on politics and western government pressure and not on facts.
WoodyLee
""The remarks at a joint press conference with German opposition leader Friedrich Merz were the latest to signal Kyyv's increasing openness to war negotiations, with Donald Trump preparing to return to the White House on Jan. 20.""
WOW, first Israel and Hezbollah ceasefire, then Criminal Assad ousted, then Israel and Hamas are negotiating and both sides are optimistic!!? and Now Mr. Zelenskyy is open to negotiating !??
Amazing how things are all turning in one direction only because of one Man, It make Mr. Trump looks like a real PEACE MAKER.
Ken
And your comment relates to the topic how? Various countries supported Ukraine not just the US. But then again continue to deny North Korea's involvement in the war
Burgerland
You already know this, but just for the entertainment value - here you go.
"After 1,000 days, public disillusionment is becoming evident. Recent Gallup polls make for interesting reading: More than half of Ukrainians polled by Gallup (52%) agree that: “Ukraine should seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible”, while only 38% want the country to “continue fighting until it wins the war”. This is a remarkable shift compared to a year ago, when 63% wanted to continue fighting and 27% were in favour of negotiations...... https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-polls-show-most-ukrainians-now-support-a-negotiated-peace-as-russian-advances-continue-244419.
Elon Musk is clueless about foreign policy, he should stay with what he understands."
As opposed to our JT experts? Amusing.
Large Body is wavering even before he gets into office."
Body shaming goes against core Democrat supporter values, someone didn't read the memo.
TaiwanIsNotChina
And that was clearly not enough. Ukrainians would have been drinking Crimean wine right now if they had been properly supported.
Doesn't really matter what the US's motives are, does it? Putin decided to become a major war criminal and take russia down with him.
We shall see. He seems nervous already.
JJE
Not much actual information of the actual conflict in this article.
Maps indicate Russian forces are continuously advancing south of Pokrovsk and west of Selydove. Clearly sweeping around, just 6km southwest of Pokrovsk - at Shevchenko and punching NW of Novotroitske. This is only 10 clicks from Dnipro Oblast. Starting to look like another breakthrough.
Kurakhove to the south will be under new management very soon.
TaiwanIsNotChina
No, I don't know this. But let's see what you are pushing. It's very nice of you to cover for your less rigorous compatriots.
Ok, so a slim majority want a ceasefire. Doesn't really speak to whether they want a surrender which is all that has been offered, does it?
Burgerland
North Korea's involvement in the war"
Everyone still waiting for that "reliable proof of 11 thousand NK soldiers on the frontlines. Hearing echos of Ghost of Kyiv instead.
Russian economy is collapsing."
You been saying that for 2 years now, along with your other gem - Russians are out of missiles, tanks and convict rabble." Aged real well. lol.
Amazing how things are all turning in one direction only because of one Man, It make Mr. Trump looks like a real PEACE MAKER."
Indeed. Trump might well end up with a Nobel Peace Prize for ending the Ukraine war. That would be well deserved.
TaiwanIsNotChina
And in fact only 27% believe Ukraine should cede territory, the most minor of russia's demands.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Depends how it ends: if it ends with Trump stamping his feet in February and the war goes on without him for the rest of the year, not so much.
Fos
Burgerland
They know, they know, but there is more interest in selling another narrative, a different spin off of truth.
A bit like the Washington administration immoral stance: despite hundred of thousands of people suffering, in Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, the US investors are considered the top priority. And that's why Wall Street, with the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq Composite rose to new records.
A bit like ex NATO chief Stoltenberg going to FOX TV saying that "shipping more weapons to Ukraine would contribute to US job creation and strengthens the economy".
Some dude
I feel that this particular issue - Ukraine - will prove to be the single most influential historical event of the era in terms of clarifying good vs evil. Whichever side you're on, your politics and morals are exposed for everyone to see.
The middle east conflict is grey. This one is as black and white as it can be.
However it ends up, history will record that there were many people who openly hoped for the destruction of an entire country, for no good reason other than hate and bloodlust. And others who said that countries with the power to help should turn their backs.
I see a lot of Americans on social media stating that, post-election, they were "embarrassed to be an American right now". I feel much the same, but about the human race.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Really jumping at the gun to take credit for things done by others, huh?
TaiwanIsNotChina
He says while he begins another copy pasta.
Still 1% of gdp. Syria not the US's fight. Still Putin's War.
Well whatever it takes to bend the less than patriotic.
KnightsOfCydonia
To be fair, Trump is the best thing to happen to NATO in a long time. Europe has realized that they must be strong again and get off the US teet.
Ukraine wishes to be part of Europe, Europe needs to grow a collective pair and step up to the plate, not the US.
Europe has now seen what happens when the pendulum swings too wildly.
Too far to the right, we all know how that ended.
Too far to the left, just have a look at any major European city to see the effects.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Foreign policy wasn't even in the top 10 issues people voted for.
And we all know Trump vows are as good as admission to his university, right?
HopeSpringsEternal
Good sign that reality setting in with Kiev, they simply lack the manpower, training of new troops and equipment, thus losing territory by the minute.
Major European war partners are in political chaos with exception of US, new Admin not a fan of this proxy war. Nobody believes military victory by Ukraine can be achieved. Never was a Kiev endgame, just unwinnable forever war, the fundamental problem
Cost of war must include empowerment of China, Russia, Iran and NK axis, catalyst for BRICS growth and global inflation = enriches commodity holders like Russia while destroying value of all currencies real purchasing power.
HopeSpringsEternal
$ today busy FAR less than half basket of ALL (e.g. CRB) commodities (metals, soft, food, energy, etc.) than it did just a few years ago, YEN FAR worse. That's INFLATION!
Translation, war like Ukraine with a global nature, destroys currencies, drives inflation, that's why this war must be stopped, besides the horrific human cost.
HopeSpringsEternal
War destroys FINANCIAL Assets priced in currencies, e.g. bonds, largest financial asset class. Putin has successfully won economic war as well, easily far more than $100 TRILLION of financial asset value destroyed as a result, while RUSSIAN REAL assets appreciate!
bass4funk
You do know that Ukraine has its own issues when it comes to human rights abuse and terrorism.
I hope so!
The middle east conflict is grey. This one is as black and white as it can be.
In the case of the US, we did way more than enough.
I see on Social Media a lot of comments from Americans who are now prouder than ever to be Americans.
I think and feel the same, but one country can’t do it all alone, every nation should contribute the exact dollar amount towards Ukraine to match ours, that is, if they really care these nations that claim to care.
bass4funk
But spending money we don’t have was one of the top issues.
As President, 280 plus proven and documented polices proves so.
HopeSpringsEternal
Inflation and thus cost of living is a political 'killer' and this war is like a GIANT political assassin, wiping out and damaging the political class backing Ukraine. Voters don't want high prices and higher taxes due to war.
Kiev regime must accept that their major war partners have lost or in the process of losing most if not all their political capital, so this 'war' game is winding down ASAP.
HopeSpringsEternal
The de-militarized zone is a tricky one, why not make it troop 'lite', lots of landmines, barriers, drones, robots, etc. Hard to recruit for that duty after all, real hell hole & cold!
Fos
Zaphod
I thought that was exporting democracy, was it not?
Underworld
HopeSpringsEternal
Inflation isn’t so high in the west, but it is in Russia. Not only that, interest rates are in the 20’s.
After Syria, Russia’s economy is becoming a casualty of this war.
Russian businesses are failing, but they don’t dare criticize Putin.
Burgerland
"The only ones using Twitter or the only ones that care about Musks opinion are the same people who were cheering for Russia."
That would make over half of US electorate who voted for team Trump/Musk & co. Russia cheerleaders then.
Well, if you say so.
Fos
I think it is always wrong to generalize. The fact is when you are heavily invested in those stocks of the main arms manufacturers in Wall Street, which right now have stellar profits out of the death and desperation of people around the world, you need to sell your narrative, regardless whether you are American or not.
It is true though that the current (and previous) US administrations have tried to incite and flare up tensions with China and Russia for the simple reasons they are worried that its world hegemony is being challenged. And that is sheer hypocrisy, and the main reason we are here to debunk that rendering of reality.
Like the old good Frank Zappa used to say “Politics is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex.” And that is very true in Washington
Primusinter
The US and its allies are ready to equip and train Ukrainian recruits if the country lowers its mobilization age, US State Department Spokesman Matthew Miller told reporters.
"You heard the secretary [Antony Blinken] speak to this somewhat when we were in Brussels last week. Ultimately the decisions about the composition of its military force, those are decisions that the Ukrainians have to make for themselves," he said. "What we have made clear is that if they produce additional forces to join the fight, we and our allies will be ready to equip those forces and train those forces to enter battle."
US woul like them to lower to 18 yo. If Ukraine lowers the mobilization age to 20 yo, US will equip the poor young men or how?
Underworld
Antiquesaving
Not from what I have seen. ISW has been quite accurate. Also, ISW mostly observes rather than predicts, and they cite all of their sources.
HopeSpringsEternal
Russian wages are growing on a real basis, GDP about 4% this year, sure their interest rates are high, but they have almost no debt, either Govt. or private, relative to the west. But Russia's vast resources are Appreciating.
Meanwhile, west has record debt levels and cost-of- living crisis with interest rates far higher than a few years back, as their currencies lose real purchasing power.
It's clear ongoing political crisis in west is due to inflation and Ukraine war's the big driver. Meanwhile, Ukraine's economy a failed state, Putin never more popular at home, growth of BRICS, Axis of Evil, along with continued military gains in Ukraine etc.
Above is the 'setting' of the table for peace negotiations = NOT Good for Ukraine.
Burgerland
Sure you do.
More than half of Ukrainians polled by Gallup (52%) agree that: “Ukraine should seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible”, while only 38% want the country to “continue fighting until it wins the war”. This is a remarkable shift compared to a year ago, when 63% wanted to continue fighting and 27% were in favour of negotiations..........Ok, so a slim majority want a ceasefire.
Not a "slim majority" and it doesn't matter how you ( and the rest of your team spinmeisters ) try to spin this. Support for negotiating to end the war has increased dramatically in Ukraine while support for continuing the war has plunged. Why MIC/ Dem propagandists in comfy chairs half the world away continue to call for more fighting and more 18 year old Ukrainian boys to be sent to die ( against the wishes of majority of Ukrainians ) is puzzling. Well, actually it's not.
HopeSpringsEternal
Many banking analysts believe Putin's strategy for keeping domestic rates artificially high is due to;
1) Prevent illicit capital flight
2) Reward elderly and savers with high interest income
3) Keep the banks from being too profitable
4) Protect their currency
5) Can afford 1-4 becomes Govt. debt so Tiny as %GDP
Russia's economic position in balance sheet has improved due to this war, Ukraine and West = Opposite
Hence, real political pressure in West due to economic pressure to get this war resolved, Putin's plan entire time
Hercolobus
Surrender is your best Trump card, and abdicate the imaginary throne.
bass4funk
Not sure how that will work, nothing on that is set in stone.
bass4funk
And defy the voters by putting Kamala on the throne? By the way, where is she these days?
Burgerland
Really jumping at the gun to take credit for things done by others, huh?
Not at all. That poster is correct , worldwide situation is already getting better across the board thanks to Trump victory tsunami and he is not even official POTUS yet. Remarkable. What a contrast to the huge mess sleepy J administration had created. World is lucky the US voters saw through the incompetent Harris team and voted a real leader in. America indeed has its golden age coming, our US friends are lucky.
HopeSpringsEternal
Maybe Ukraine should focus on highschoolers if they want to keep fighting so badly, these younger men from 18-24 are a bit too smart at this point, having seen the war's terrible impact for nearly 3 years now.
Above, more proof Ukraine's not capable of a war of attrition with Russia, hence settlement talks will proceed rapidly as Trump's not going to continue throwing away lives in such useless cavalier manner.
Primusinter
bass4funk, so you want to say that Blinken and Mattew Miller are babblers?
I think that Zel can reduce the mobilization age to 18 years. His son will be only 12 years old in January 2025. So far, it is not recommended to mobilize primary school students.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Only because people are idiots and think that tax cuts lower prices.
Underworld
HopeSpringsEternal
What? Russians investing overseas? That can’t!
Meanwhile food prices are soaring.
High interest rates stop banks being profitable? I don’t think so.
They are certainly trying. And failing.
????
The opposite has happened.
Putin’s plan was to have the war over in a week.
Primusinter
All Ukrainians who have at least a small part of power have already taken their boys abroad. 100%
Now Ukrainians take out those boys who will also be 18 years old in the future. Well, if there is no money at all to take away, then...they are preparing children for the meat grinder.
HopeSpringsEternal
Human capital flight out of Ukraine, maybe the most damaging aspect to their long-term prospects, many millions of Ukrainians have become Russian citizens.
Another key reason, besides economic and political damage I addressed above, along with continued losses on the battlefield, that war must be settled ASAP, as the longer it goes on, less likely they will return to Ukraine.
Burgerland
52% is a slim majority, sorry to disappoint. "
52% for negotiation 38% for prolonging the fight.....not slim but a very solid majority indeed. The only ones disappointed here are the pro NATO/Biden/Harris posters who continue calling for Ukrainian boys to be sent to die ( despite majority of Ukrainians opposing it ). That's easy to do from comfy chairs half a world away, note that none of them volunteered to help on the UA frontline.
Ukraine will do whatever they feel they need to do."
Sure, Trump already indicated the direction and Zelensky did the U-turn and talks about ceasefire. Great for all Ukrainians.
bass4funk
I personally wouldn’t trust it
I see
They did in my state.
HopeSpringsEternal
Do keep in mind there are some in US Govt. and elsewhere that don't mind high inflation and destruction of $currency buying power due to this war. WHY?!
Because US Govt. with $36T in debt is seeing real value of that debt decrease massively in terms of other real assets especially. Inflation and currency destruction's their Friend, but not the Friend of most voters mind you...
For some in the halls of power, ending this war will take away this great chance to 'deflate'/monetize the debt and naturally many big fat $military contracts and other $support given to Ukraine = grift and corruption.
War's a VERY dirty business, and stopping it's 'Costly'
HopeSpringsEternal
Story's now JT #1, congrats too all the posters and your many insightful and constructive comments. Surely, we all want peace & prosperity to prevail in Ukraine ASAP!
Not sure how betting markets feel about this war, but I put over/under of an official settlement - July 1st, 2025.
wallace
How many Ukrainians were killed?
43,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed since Russia's full-scale invasion began.
How many Russians were killed?
70,000.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Yes, Trump can maybe trigger a meeting somewhere. That is about the extent of his capabilities. Putin still needs to be bloodied some more before an unconditional ceasefire is possible.
TaiwanIsNotChina
Americans will decide whether they think Trump 2 was a success, not America's enemies.
HopeSpringsEternal
TaiwanIsNotChina # of posts, far more than me here, but together we made JT great, #1 today, congrats!!!
Let's hope #47 can work his deal magic and bring this costly war to an end, massive damage to financial assets notwithstanding, as real human cost and terrible impact of inflation on most people across the globe is too high!
Fos
And yet, the usual individuals trying so hard to defend the indefensible, and what is morally and ethically wrong: billions of weapon made in USA which ended up killing hundred thousands of people. Shall we andd any more?
American masterminds and their fellows have all the interest to divert to attention to the wrongs of Russia and China.