Zelenskyy: Ukraine needs more weapons, faster

First it was ammo, then guns, then artillery, then APCs, then Himars, then Patriots, then Abrams, now it's F16s

Soon it will be ICBMs.

Soon it will be ICBMs.

How soon? Make a prediction.

Do you know anything about Ukraine’s denuclearization?

And he, President Zelenskyj, is right!

Whatever is needed to end this RuSSian aggression has to be provided to Ukraine.

The sooner - the better!

Don't give PUTAin the slightest chance to re-group, increase and continue this insane war. With spring coming chances are that he will start another "limited campaign". Don't let it happen! Stop hesitating and considering!

Ukraine prevails!

The sky is the limit for this way. Like money is grown in trees. Well, it is printed out of thin air.

Ok,maybe if Ukrainain were not freeloader,they bought their own weapon,they would not be at the mercy of others

Russia's military commanders are 'terrified' by Putin's demands for a new offensive on multiple fronts in Ukraine and fear 'mass slaughter' and 'are giving up hope' of winning the war, experts claim.

Zelenskyy: Ukraine needs more weapons, faster

Me: Volodymyr enough is enough,its time to get lost,faster.Now.

experts claim.

Please, at least one name of such experts!???? I haven't heard a single hint. They are probably Americans or Ukrainians who do not show their eyes on the Russian side of front.

Kuku

possible experts from this forum,they may no t say date of UA final victory over Russia but ...

"Latvia has begun a "hunt" for Ukrainians of military age from 18 to 60 years, local security forces are forming lists of men with might and main to provide them to Ukraine.

The goal here is obvious - those who fall under the mobilization will be deported back to Ukraine, because the Europeans understand perfectly well that if they do not do this, instead of Ukrainians, the Pentagon will drive the Lithuanians, Poles, Germans, and so on into the trenches. Similar processes have begun not only in the Baltic States, but also in Poland and the Netherlands, the local military is actively collecting lists of Ukrainians.

Here, as they say, nothing personal, just from the point of view of pragmatic Europeans, "Ukrainians should die first"

Translation of a post from telegram. Such posts are numerous. U may not believe:) More terrible videos are numerous on TG on hunting withing Ukraine. In Russia nothing of the same

All those killed and wounded some with permanent injuries all for the vanity of Putin. Unfortunately this is mostly the case in war, a braggart bears his chest urging his followers on whilst safe in his bunker.

Daily: Give me this, give me that. Too slow. More!

Once the Ukrainians employ more of their assorted weaponry from the West, with the new kick-ass tanks (and strengthened air power?) the reluctant Russians are going to run crying all the way to "Mother Russia". As I've said before, come May 9 there'll be "No Springtime for Putin".

After all this why would any country fund their own defense?

Just wait for the USA and NATO (also the USA) to pay all your bills and give you all the weapons and cash you need for free.

Even when you aren’t even a NATO member.

They're not fundng Ukraine's defense, the US and nato are funding their war against Russia.

That it's still a proxy war is very advantageous to them, Russia is getting weaker with no casualties to them, only Ukrainians are getting sacrificed

Blacklabel,

so what's your recommendation?

Let RuSSia invade and occupy all of Ukraine, commit more war crimes, attrocitie, genocide, and keep going after that for other sovereign nations like Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, etc. Not even stopping after that?

Give Ukraine the necessary miltitary hardware to regain freedom, peace, and not to forget all occupied territories (incl. but not limited to Crimea)! Help Ukraine tus helping others! Because not doing so would empower PUTAin & associates.

Ukraine prevails!

Zelenskyy: Ukraine needs more weapons, faster

Me: Ukraine needs peace and not war prolongation,faster.ASAP

Ok,they probably will get somekind of retribution from Russia, as long as the US do not intervene

so what's your recommendation?

negotiate an acceptable peace.

What do you consider an, “acceptable peace’?

Russia's military commanders are 'terrified' by Putin's demands for a new offensive on multiple fronts in Ukraine and fear 'mass slaughter' and 'are giving up hope' of winning the war, experts claim.

”Experts”. LOL.

Afghanistan and Iraq provided a 20 year, multi-billion dollar gravy train for the US war industry.

Ending war for the war industry would be like curing cancer for the cancer industry. They can’t allow it to end.

Ukraine is the perfect play.

Toblerone

Exactly.USA cant survive without permanent war.Now UA turn as their proxy battlefield.

Give this generation’s Winston Churchill what he needs/demands. End of discussion.

Either give the Ukrainians the weapons they need now, or it’s going to be up to us at a later date to stop Putin from pretending he’s Peter the Great.

so what's your recommendation?

negotiate an acceptable peace.

Which is?

What do you consider an, “acceptable peace’?

Well, can we at least let the parties concerned discuss it? Russia proposed peace talks several months ago. Biden told Zelensky to refuse. You have to wonder.

Bizarre reactions.

You ask people what an ‘acceptable peace’ would look like and they turn into jelly.

Ending war for the war industry would be like curing cancer for the cancer industry. They can’t allow it to end.

Ukraine is the perfect play.

Yes the factory's in Russia are running three shifts 24/7 pumping out war equipment and armaments. Putin has his finger in all of them and is getting richer as the Russian population gets smaller with all their casualties.

Meanwhile European and Western factories are still on one shift 5-6 days a week in peacetime mode.

Ukraine needs more than a constant drip feed of weapons, they need the tap turned on and a proper supply given to end this conflict in their favor. The slow nature of equipment in such small doses allows them to hold the line, just, but not to keep the pressure on enough to keep forcing Russia back.

Perhaps if western nations increased to three shifts 24/7 they could increase the frequency of supply and the amounts supplied to be enough to end this conflict. Nobody seems willing to go that extra yard, so in the end they will pay so much more to keep Ukraine alive but occupied, and that makes little sense.

Russia proposed peace talks several months ago. Biden told Zelensky to refuse. You have to wonder.

With the precondition that Ukraine accept all areas annexed illegally by Russia be recognized and accepted as Russian territory. No serious negotiations are possible with such a precondition.

Perhaps if western nations increased to three shifts 24/7 they could increase the frequency of supply and the amounts supplied to be enough to end this conflict. Nobody seems willing to go that extra yard, so in the end they will pay so much more to keep Ukraine alive but occupied, and that makes little sense.

In fact it makes perfect sense to Jelly Joe and the elites making billions of dollars out of this.

You ask people what an ‘acceptable peace’ would look like and they turn into jelly

Because my opinion is being censored.

Perhaps if western nations increased to three shifts 24/7

just to incur even more costs to give away even more free weapons? Makes no sense.

@jimizo Liquid now. Watch you don’t evaporate.

“Liquid Joe” just doesnt have that ring to it. Stick with “Jelly” is my advice.

Russia should be happy they are stuck in the Ukraine, should they actually tangle with a legitimate NATO member, oh my that’s going to get huge sad face from Russia. Nuclear option? Yep go for it? England, France, America might just respond.? Then think Russia is isolated now, hell use a nuclear weapon? It won’t be hug time for Russia.

It won’t be hug time for Russia.

It’ll be warm though.

Walls definitely closing in on the seriousness of those talking about an ‘acceptable peace’. Can’t even say what it is.

Fell at the first hurdle.

Absolutely useless in discussions.

In fact it makes perfect sense to Jelly Joe and the elites making billions of dollars out of this.

The only one making billions is Putin who's industries are cranked up to the max. The US and Europe are just continuing as normal, they would be making the same amount of equipment as normal, with normal shifts in factories. Unless they increase production, its just another day in the factory making what they always make on a normal week. Their nations are not at war so they will not force an increase in production lines to make as much as they can, as they would if they were themselves at war.

So Putin is the big winner, his people and Ukrainians the biggest losers, and the donor nations helping Ukraine survive are paying a huge price, they hope they can recoup in rebuilding Ukraine which is devastated in large areas. But Ukraine must first be given enough to win.

So, the cycle of propping up Zelensky's regime with 'gamechanging weapons', it failing to stop Ukrainians escape from under his thumbs, and the campaign to sell people on the notion that the next bigger, badder, more deadly weapons will turn Obama's Folly into a profit maker has sped up to the point where the admission that the 'gamechanger' failed to help the regime gain legitimacy from the Ukrainian population comes before they even get packed for shipping.

And there's no way to pretend that the warplanes that NATO is going to deploy to help Zelensky slaughter Ukrainians who oppose him aren't NATO's because they are going to have to either fly their attacks from bases outside Ukraine, or fly to bases outside Ukraine after killing Ukrainians, or both, because the 'unsuccessful' operation of a year ago was successful in destroying Zelensky's ability to service and support such weapons.

Zelenskyy: Ukraine needs more weapons, faster

Me: Ukraine needs peace and not war prolongation,faster.ASAP

Exactly, the more NATO provides weapons, the more Ukrainians will die. Zelensky has no shame...

"just to incur even more costs to give away even more free weapons?"

Pay now or pay a helluva lot more later. Besides, giving Ukraine the weapons it needs should be viewed more like an investment, unless you want to just roll over and fall on your sword.

Pay now or pay a helluva lot more later. 

Why is my country involved in paying for Ukraine in the first place?? Proxy war?

more like an investment

what am I investing in? Ukraine going to pay us back, with interest?

the more NATO provides weapons, the more Ukrainians will die. Zelensky has no shame...

The longer Russian troops remain in Ukraine territory, the more Ukrainians and Russians will die. Ukraine is not obliged to surrender. It is obliged to defend its territory against invaders. Putin has no shame and no morals. But evil people rarely do.

Zelensky is a hero, as are all Ukrainians fighting for their freedom and a sovereign Ukraine. Russian invaders are scum or poor souls coerced into fighting against their will by Putin and his barbaric laws.

*Russia possesses a total of 5,977 nuclear warheads as of 2022, the largest stockpile of nuclear warheads in the world*

these “mine’s bigger than yours” stats mean nothing when it’s only a fraction of these numbers that is required to destroy the planet.

Why is my country involved in paying for Ukraine in the first place?? Proxy war?

Not a proxy war, but here's why the US is involved. Because:

1) it's the morally correct choice.

2) Doing nothing is kicking the can down the road, and make more likely to engage in the same behavior in the future.

3) A weaker Russia is good for pretty much every freedom-loving person.

"what am I investing in? Ukraine going to pay us back, with interest?"

No man is an island. If Russia rolls over Ukraine, where will it go next? And as far as Ukraine paying us back interest, you could argue that they are already paying interest in terms of blood and tears.

Peter14,Putin had no moral or shame,when European and Ukrainain are fueling his war, through shipment of gas through Ukraine,

Because

since when does the USA care about a morally correct choice?

Not our can and not our road.

Yeah the world tried to do that to Germany after WW1. Didn’t that cause something and someone much much worse to happen?

you could argue that they are already paying interest in terms of blood and tears.

I don’t want their blood and tears. I want them alive and well and not being bombed every day.

What beneficial purpose would their blood and tears have for the USA?

Unless it’s a proxy war we need to sacrifice them for to win??

Oh, what to do when your best laid plans are failing?...A Rand report published in April 2019 laid out US strategy vis-a-vis Russia, which as you can see in hindsight, was followed fairly closely to the letter. Note that “extending” Russia is shorthand for “causing the Russians to overextend and unbalance themselves”.

This report examines a range of possible means to extend Russia. As the 2018 National Defense Strategy recognized, the United States is currently locked in a great-power competition with Russia. This report seeks to define areas where the United States can compete to its own advantage. Drawing on quantitative and qualitative data from Western and Russian sources, this report examines Russia’s economic, political, and military vulnerabilities and anxieties. It then analyzes potential policy options to exploit them — ideologically, economically, geopolitically, and militarily (including air and space, maritime, land, and multidomain options). After describing each measure, this report assesses the associated benefits, costs, and risks, as well as the likelihood that measure could be successfully implemented and actually extend Russia. Most of the steps covered in this report are in some sense escalatory, and most would likely prompt some Russian counter-escalation. Some of these policies, however, also might prompt adverse reactions from other U.S. adversaries — most notably, China — that could, in turn, stress the United States. Ultimately, this report concludes that the most attractive U.S. policy options to extend Russia — with the greatest benefits, highest likelihood of success, and least risk — are in the economic domain, featuring a combination of boosting U.S. energy production and sanctions, providing the latter are multilateral. In contrast, geopolitical measures to bait Russia into overextending itself and ideological measures to undermine the regime’s stability carry significant risks. Finally, many military options — including force posture changes and development of new capabilities — could enhance U.S. deterrence and reassure U.S. allies, but only a few are likely to extend Russia, as Moscow is not seeking parity with the United States in most domains.

Key Findings

Russia’s weaknesses lie in the economic domains

Russia’s greatest vulnerability, in any competition with the United States, is its economy, which is comparatively small and highly dependent on energy exports.

The Russian leadership’s greatest anxiety stems from the stability and durability of the regime.

The most promising measures to stress Russia are in the realms of energy production and international pressure

Continuing to expand U.S. energy production in all forms, including renewables, and encouraging other countries to do the same would maximize pressure on Russia’s export receipts and thus on its national and defense budgets. Alone among the many measures looked at in this report, this one comes with the least cost or risk.

Sanctions can also limit Russia’s economic potential. To be effective, however, these need to be multilateral, involving (at a minimum) the European Union, which is Russia’s largest customer and greatest source of technology and capital, larger in all these respects than the United States.

Geopolitical measures to bait Russia into overextending itself are likely impractical, or they risk second-order consequences

Many geopolitical measures would force the United States to operate in areas that are closer to Russia and where it is thus cheaper and easier for Russia than the United States to exert influence.

Ideological measures to undermine the regime’s stability carry significant risks of counter escalation

Many military options — including force posture changes and development of new capabilities — could enhance U.S. deterrence and reassure U.S. allies, but only a few are likely to extend Russia, as Moscow is not seeking parity with the United States in most domains.

Extending Russia: Competing from Advantageous Ground, RAND, 24 April 2019

This was followed up by a report five months later, which provided specific actions intended to achieve the objectives identified in the initial report, entitled Overextending and Unbalancing Russia: Assessing the Impact of Cost-Imposing Options.

Insert deep movie trailer voice: They did not correctly assess the impact of the cost-imposed options.

What’s fascinating is that now RAND is rapidly backtracking on the idea of extending Russia, because the US attempts to extend Russia have turned out to extend the USA, its NATO proxies, the other European states, and Clown World itself. Remember what I said in the previous post about NATO needing to win fast? That’s why Rand wants to pull a Vietnam/Afghanistan, call it a win, and get the US military out of Eastern Europe as quickly as possible.

The Andrew Anglin committee has correctly assessed the situation.

Here’s the deal: everyone understands that Russia is only a power capable of competing with the US because it is backed by a much larger and much wealthier country called “China.” Russia needs their economy to survive. India wouldn’t be standing up to the US, nor would Saudi or any of the other former allies pushing back, if they weren’t getting cover from China.

The think tanks were all pushing for China to be the target of the next US war.

However, Pentagon people said Russia is much weaker, so they went with that. Now it’s a boondoggle. The West is destroying its economy, they are alienating the whole world, and they’re accomplishing what exactly? Russia can keep fighting indefinitely. It’s not costing them anything…

The US can’t possibly open up the China front while the Ukraine is ongoing, and time is on China’s side over there.

This is why RAND is mad.

However, wars do not take place in a vacuum and they have a way of creating a new reality that is unforeseen even by the architects of the best-laid war plans. There is no reason for Russia to let NATO and the US military off the hook just because it suits RAND, and there is absolutely zero chance that Xi Xinping and the extremely astute Chinese war planners are going to be blind to the advantages of making sure that the first front stays active until the second one is opened by one of the two parties concerned.

Remember, the failure of a plan doesn’t mean it never existed, it simply means it didn’t work.

since when does the USA care about a morally correct choice?

Well, rightists certainly don't, but I do.

Yeah the world tried to do that to Germany after WW1. Didn’t that cause something and someone much much worse to happen?

If you're reading your history book again, keep reading the part about where western leaders attempt to appease Germany by giving parts of Europe. That's exactly what the "negotiate and make peace" folks are trying to do here.

I don’t want their blood and tears. I want them alive and well and not being bombed every day.

No, you don't care about any of this, you've made that quite clear. Besides, they want their country, land, property, and people back.