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Zelenskiy urges world to force Russia from nuclear site after incident

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This is the essence of dysfunctional leadership,wanting others to do thing,that is your responsibility,and have the nerve to try and raise hell and blame others,if they do not abide by wishes, Ukraine need too think about new leadership, downvoters,have nothing else but read my post

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Maybe Mr. Zelenskiy should urge his forces NOT to target Russian forces in and around the facility. This is the main threat. I know it doesn't fit well with the now comedic propaganda. But it's the truth.

Also the Russians should not be firing from this area if they are.

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@Mr. Kipling

Maybe Mr. Zelenskiy should urge his forces NOT to target Russian forces in and around the facility. This is the main threat. I know it doesn't fit well with the now comedic propaganda. But it's the truth.

Also the Russians should not be firing from this area if they are.

Maybe Russian forces should withdraw from the country that they illegally invaded after getting their butts kicked.

You also forgot to mention that Russia should stop killing the nuclear scientists who are in charge and release the other kidnapped scientist being used to maintain the power plant to redirect energy to the parts of the country controlled by Russia which will also turn off the power to the other parts of the country when winter arrives.

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@Mr. Kipling Also the Russians should not be firing from this area if they are.

Agreed, and the Russian military should not be in the area, nor firing in any other area in Ukraine. Send Putin, the person profiting the most from selling Russian resources in to to fight the war he started.

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Another terrorist strike from Russia - the world's largest terrorist state.

Ukraine a threat to Russia? It is hard to believe that Moscow still tries to push this narrative. It only reinforces the fact that nothing but lies come out of the Kremlin. Will there come a time of reckoning for Russia? Will there come a time of reckoning for those countries that support Russia or claim neutrality? Will there come a time when good will triumph over evil? Will it have to be over the bodies of Ukrainian children?

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Sooner or later, sad to say, a nuclear disaster is going to occur in Ukraine, especially because of Russia’s recklessness. It’s like waiting for a radioactive Mt. Vesuvius to erupt, except this nuclear eruption will be man made. We’ve all been very lucky so far.

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Bronco - there is a thing called reciprocity. If Russia does it to Ukraine, Ukraine may do something similar back to Russia.

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They say the Ukrainlan counter offensive have stall,the US through Intel, should know Ukraine is lying to sell this lie to American,I would like Ukrainian to go before ,Congress ,under penalty of perjury,and lie before Congressional committees,even US official lie,they are headed to jail

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1: Why does the Russian military continue to supply power to Ukrainian citizens even in Zelensky's Ukraine.

Russian military not shooting the Ukrainian technicians is not the same as Russian military supplying power to Ukrainian citizens. The Russian military doesn’t have the skill to operate the plant.

2: Why doesn't the Russian military ever attack civilian infrastructure targets such as power plants, water treatment plants and government offices. By and large, life is still relatively normal for most Ukrainians. The lights are on, the water is running and the bridges are intact.

This is a land grab. They want as much of it standing for themselves as they can. It’s not out of the goodness of their hearts. Proven by the number of hospitals, malls, train stations they’ve already targeted.

3: Why doesn't Zelensky (Zelenskyy / Zelenskiy) declare war against Russia after this has been going on for 6 months?

He declares war and Russia goes all in. That’s actually pretty simple.

4: Why hasn't a general draft being called in Ukraine? They could call up 10 million men, which would give Zelensky an overwhelming manpower advantage. What is the holdup?

Actually the only fair question. I don’t know. Ukraine perhaps is trying to use forces that have volunteered rather than trying to force the problem onto civilians. Civilians are already volunteering as well, and Ukraine has done remarkably well holding off for as long as they have… as opposed to the Russians who have been stifled every step of the way of the operation that was only going to last a few days. Ukraine losing more doesn’t equate to Russia doing well.

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Also the Russians should not be firing from this area if they are.

can’t believe you actually dissed Russia (sort of)

first time for everything

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So "Russia" fires 3 times on it's own facility to blame Ukraine and it doesn't work.

So "Russia" fires a 4th time this time disconnecting the safety power.

Or.

"Ukraine" attacked 3 times blames Russia the world believes them so it does it a 4th time doing just enough damage to them "demand" the world intervene at take back the facility.

Which makes more sense with winter coming?

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Bronco - the war is pretty bad, but it can always get worse if either side escalates further.

as to your question about drafting all able-bodied men - I suppose Ukraine will do it if they need to, but right now there is no shortage of volunteers to defend their country, same thing if your country were invaded. Also there are logistics involved, it’s not like they can just snap their fingers and say, ok we have a 10 million man army now. Finally, a lot of those 10 million men have day jobs to do.

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downvoters,have nothing else but read my post

most can’t understand your posts

A few questions:

1: Why does the Russian military continue to supply power to Ukrainian citizens even in Zelensky's Ukraine.

so people like you think they’re the good guys

2: Why doesn't the Russian military ever attack civilian infrastructure targets such as power plants, water treatment plants and government offices. By and large, life is still relatively normal for most Ukrainians. The lights are on, the water is running and the bridges are intact.

because they’re busy blowing up railway stations, schools, hospitals & peoples homes.

3: Why doesn't Zelensky (Zelenskyy / Zelenskiy) declare war against Russia after this has been going on for 6 months?

the real question is why hasn’t Putin declared this a war ? Answer ; Putin is scared to

4: Why hasn't a general draft being called in Ukraine? They could call up 10 million men, which would give Zelensky an overwhelming manpower advantage. What is the holdup?

The real question is, why hasn’t Putin called a national draft & call up another million men ?

answer ; Putin is scared to

Too many glaring gaps in the narrative here.

Yes, mostly on the Russian side.

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A nuclear power plant is not the best place to stock weapons, ammo, and explosives. The Russian troops need to be withdrawn from the plant.

The power output from the plant is reduced by 50%. Maybe not enough operators to run four reactors.

Putin's intention for the plant is to connect the power output to the Russian grid.

Measured radiation levels outside the plant have risen but not too dangerous levels.

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In Kiev, the power is on (courtesy of Russia), the water is running, gas is still supplied by Russia and the civilian airport is operational (after it was handed back to Ukrainian authorities by Russian 

gee, thanks Russia. This almost makes up for murdering & raping our citizens, & destroying our homes.

Zelensky still hasn't declared war and still hasn't issued a draft calling up able-bodied Ukrainian men into service.

Putin still hasn't declared war and still hasn't issued a draft calling up able-bodied Russian men into service.

Because he knows he will be thrown out in a revolt &/or killed.

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@Yrral

They say the Ukrainlan counter offensive have stall,the US through Intel, should know Ukraine is lying to sell this lie to American,I would like Ukrainian to go before ,Congress ,under penalty of perjury,and lie before Congressional committees, even US official lie,they are headed to jail.

Replace Ukraine with Russia then you would be describing reality!

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Putin orders Russia to increase the size of its armed forces by 137,000.

President orders the Russian military to increase its number of soldiers to a total of 1.15 million.

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Silvafan,the war is lost cause for Ukrainain,they have lots more land with western help,they must be insecure,too engage in a propoganda war with Russia,they know the hell ,is coming their way,if they do not pacify Putin,most of them have lived that hell of Soviet rule,this should of motivated them not to be corrupt like Russian

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Putin orders Russia to increase the size of its armed forces by 137,000.

I wonder if any of the pro-Putin Russia fanboys will enlist

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Maybe Mr. Zelenskiy should urge his forces NOT to target Russian forces in and around the facility. This is the main threat. I know it doesn't fit well with the now comedic propaganda. But it's the truth.

Maybe the Russians should get the hell out of Ukraine?

And no, It’s not the Ukraine that’s targeting the facility. It’s the Russians. It’s in line with their doctrine. They have no respect for the greater good. Most sentient beings get this.

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I think it's because there's no public support in Russia for a full-on war, not because Putin wants to hold back...

6 months into this and they still haven't, because even they know that this is limited military operation and Russia has not and will not go all out against Ukraine.

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It do not matters,who supports a lost cause,you still lose

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Well, Belarus has Nukes now, if they launch an attack themselves on Ukraine, then worrying about a Nuclear power plant will become rather a mute topic.

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urged the world to act much faster to force Russian troops to vacate Europe's largest nuclear power plant 

isnt “the world” giving him money and weapons to do just that?

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Bronco - if Ukraine starts having issues with finding enough volunteers to fight, then I would imagine they would probably announce a larger mobilization. Did you need me to try and find another way to explain this? Or do you understand now?

A lot of that is probably contingent on Russia. If Russia starts a larger mobilization, then Ukraine will as well, but it seems like Putin is avoiding a draft, probably because that won’t play well politically.

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isnt “the world” giving him money and weapons to do just that?

No, they are promising to give.

delivering is a totally different matter

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So Zelensky is asking 'the world' (except the world recently voted in the UN General Assembly and the vast majority, including the vast majority of the democracies - measured by number of countries, number of people represented, and land mass - aren't buying the narrative of either an unprovoked invasion or Zelensky's legitimacy to speak for the population of Ukraine) to deprive the nuclear power plant of its present security force, a force that literally is living at the plant so even in their sleep they are the ones in immediate danger if anything happens to the plant, to leave it in the care of???

The "Ghost of Kiev"

The guys who's uniforms have gaps where they used to have symbols from the losing side of WW2

The guys who Amnesty International investigators identified as frequently using civilian infrastructure and civilian housing as cover for military operations and attacks

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Incredible that posters on here actually believe that Russia is targeting the nuclear facility. They control the facility, the area 20km around it. They have had this for 4 months. Any shells or missiles landing near the facility are Ukrainian. This is true whether you believe Russia should go home or control all of what was Ukraine.

It's not the Russians preventing the inspectors visiting either.

As I said earlier, the Russians are probably shooting from the facility which is irresponsible at best,

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And no, It’s not the Ukraine that’s targeting the facility. It’s the Russians.

And the police must be riding Zebras because we hear the sound of hooves we think zebra, right?

So we are to believe Russia fires on its own positions 4 times, think about that 4 times and each time no success in getting Ukrainian allies to believe it is Ukraine so it keeps trying!?

Instead of Ukraine creates a crisis blames Russia, say how dangerous it is and demands the international community help take the plant back!

I said Ukraine was going to do this exact thing. The only one that benefits from these attacks has been Ukraine, the only one blocking IAEA from day one of the Russian taking the facility.

The silly argument that Russia is firing on itself to get people against Ukraine died after the 2nd shelling, the even sillier comments and position that the solution for Russia to leave is ignoring reality.

Russia isn't leaving so stop, you yourself admit this is an invasion and say how bad Putin and Russia are but then make the silly comment the solution is for them to leave!

No logic, Ukrane is looking for help to take back the facility, it has found what it thinks is a way, create a dangerous situation so the EU or NATO will help take it back.

If Ukraine was so worried it would give IAEA permission to inspect and it won't.

So doesn't sound like they are that worried

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tooheysnew

Today 12:14 pm JST

isnt “the world” giving him money and weapons to do just that?

> No, they are promising to give.

> delivering is a totally different matter

Yes and the kicker is the USA the biggest supplier of weapons, needs Chinese and Russian supplies to produce those weapons and they don't have them.

There have been several reports over a few decades and only now has the USA started the process to find other sourcing.

So only one company supplies the base chemical used to produce the solid rocket fuel used in Hellfire and HIMARS rockets and it is Chinese this was pointed out back in 2013 and 2015 and nothing was done

This from June this year tells how the situation really is.

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/budget/2022/06/08/the-us-is-heavily-reliant-on-china-and-russia-for-its-ammo-supply-chain-congress-wants-to-fix-that/

So we were told that Russia was firing up to 60,000 152mm shells a day.

The USA package announced this week gives Ukraine 240,000 155mm shells but no timeframe for delivery.

So at the rate Russia was firing that is 4 days of ammunition for Ukraine.

Again the only way the west can supply Ukraine is to go to a war footing, cut services, fuel, etc...to their own populations and allocate resources to weapons production.

The people are already getting upset over fuel, power and food prices, so guess how that would go over.

Russia in a dictatorship, so no one has a say, Putin could ration power, food, etc..and no one will or can say a thing and that is what some do not grasp, Russians are not going to rise up, they are not going to protest, they are hardened people and will suffer along.

Our young people will need a therapist if we cut their internet for 1 hour.

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On the question of whether Zelensky is forcing civilians in areas he controls into fighting for him, that there is a ban on civilians who could be forced into uniform from leaving those areas is pretty significant, as is his repeated purging of his security forces, and locking down cities, because of 'traitors'.

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AS - so you are saying that democracies should always just let dictatorships have their way because otherwise they will be upset? The logical conclusion to that is that the dictatorships would soon own everything. You understand why the democracies can’t let that happen, right?

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Both Russia and Ukraine set conditions for an IAEA visit to the NPP. That was resolved and now the visit will go ahead.

The UN/IAEA has called for the Russian troops to leave the NPP and all munitions removed to a safer distance.

The NPP is an international crisis and needs a safe solution.

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UChosePoorly

Today 12:13 pm JST

And

Bronco

Today 10:47 am JST

Ok both wrong.

Neither country needs to use a draft because they both already have mandatory military service in one way or another. So Men are regularly being called up for their mandatory service.

Where things are different is Ukraine has a system were those doing there service are supposed to remain under regional control not Kyiv or the actual Ukrainian military, ( I am guessing something like the USA National guard).

Zelensky signed an order blocking all men between 18 and 60 from leaving the country.

At the same time he signed a law that permits those doing their military service under regional security to be sent to the front.

Now there is a dispute that this law did not go through parliament or proper channels and is illegal and some are fighting in Ukraine courts to remain in their local regions far from the front so this is presently infront of the Ukrainian court system.

I am not going to elaborate much on Russia as it is straight forward, mandatory military service, the authoritarian system of government means Putin does need to ask anyone and they can call up anyone on the list that hasn't done their service yet.

So basically they are both already drafting men just not calling it a draft only passing it off as doing their mandatory military service.

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Both Russia and Ukraine set conditions for an IAEA visit to the NPP. That was resolved and now the visit will go ahead.

This is indeed good news, although we can expect the usual Russian sophistry and chicanery throughout the process.

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You, Zelensky, Biden, etc.. refuse negotiations on principles regardless if it kills half the world population.

Don't you get tired of trying to flip stuff around and make up false things.

You know what I am saying and you cannot logically counter it so you try this fake junk.

Talk about over-reactionary. Chernobyl did not kill half the world. Fukushima did not kill half the world's population. Three Mile Island did not kill half the world's population.

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AS - we may have to just agree to disagree. I don’t believe the democracies of the world should allow large authoritarian nations to just pick off smaller neighboring countries. I don’t think this view is particularly rare or controversial, at least where I am from, but I do understand that other people may have a different perspective.

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No, they are promising to give.

Yes, The USA has actually given around 10 billion dollars. And promised to give 37 billion more.

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Antiquesaving

Russia in a dictatorship, so no one has a say, Putin could ration power, food, etc..and no one will or can say a thing and that is what some do not grasp, Russians are not going to rise up, they are not going to protest, they are hardened people and will suffer along.

One thing Putin can't do is declare war and order a full mobilization. It may be a dictatorship, but Putin is afraid to do something so unpopular.

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Within Russia, there is a very large number of Russians who do not support Putin's War. There are many Russians living in other countries who do not support Putin's War.

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@The Avenger

Another terrorist strike from Russia - the world's largest terrorist state

Pretty ludicrous comment, given the NATO track record.

@tooheysnew

I wonder if any of the pro-Putin Russia fanboys will enlist

I wonder if any of pro-Zelensky Ukraina fanboys will enlist. Ukroforces are desperate for the fresh cannon fodder.

@Nemo

And no, It’s not the Ukraine that’s targeting the facility. It’s the Russians. It’s in line with their doctrine

No, it’s not the Russians who are targeting the facility. It’s the Ukrainians. It’s in line with their doctrine: "if can't win on the battlefield, destroy infrastructure, make some disaster". Nazi did it in 1944-45 when in retreat, Ukronazi did it in 2014-22 when they tried to destroy infrastructure on the Donbass rebels' contolled territory, they do it now.

@UChosePoorly

so you are saying that democracies should always just let dictatorships have their way because otherwise they will be upset?

As if "democracies" never done it before lol. Pinochet, Somosa, other Latin American dictators, South Vietnamese generals, Middle Eastern of African despots.

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UChosePoorly

Today 12:51 pm JST

You and others have brought up Hitler many times in this war.

So let me point something out.

Germany was able to beat multiple countries with a war machine and authoritarian control, it beat larger armies, even better equipped armies.

It lost in the end only because the allies went to a war footing, an all in everyone in, all production was geard for war, all food and fuel rationed. The biggest contributor to winning was the USSR which did the bulk of the fighting and under its authoritarian regime produced more guns, tanks, Artillery pieces, rockets ( think Katyusha (Stalin's organ) not V1/V2 type).

So a simple point I made gets you upset, because it is fact, if you truly believe what you say, if you truely believe everything needs to be done to defeat Russia then the only logical thing is to go to war production and society to be in war mode, do you think the USA, Canada, UK, EU are ready for that?

A simple difference, in July the Russian government passed a law that can now force any business to supply the military needs,

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Asakaze - where did I say or imply that democracies have never done it before? They should not have done so, and they should not do so in the future. In a democracy, we don't always get what we want, but that shouldn't stop us from trying to be better than we have been in the past. It also has nothing to do with what Russia is doing to Ukraine. I don't excuse either US actions in the past nor Russia's actions in the present. You seem to, however.

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Talk about over-reactionary. Chernobyl did not kill half the world. Fukushima did not kill half the world's population. Three Mile Island did not kill half the world's population.

Talk about again missing the point!

If Zelensky gets his way and NATO, the EU, the USA, etc..move militarily to help. We will be in a world war. Not maybe, we will.

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Putin/Russia is the invader and aggressor.

Crimea. Chechen. North Caucasus. Georgia. Syria. Africa.

"In Chechnya, a tiny Muslim republic in southern Russia with just 1.5 million people, resistance to Russian rule dates back at least two centuries. Rebels there began agitating for independence after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991."

"After a couple of years of increasing tension, Russia unleashed a major invasion marked by relentless airstrikes and salvos of heavy artillery. Thousands of fighters and tens of thousands of Chechen civilians were killed. The Chechen capital, Grozny, was laid to waste."

Russia has deployed the Wagner Group in military operations across at least half a dozen African nations.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/23/russia-putin-wagner-group-mercenaries-africa

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AS - I'm not upset, don't worry about me. I disagree that the US needs to be on "war footing" to be able to supply Ukraine with some of what she needs. If anything, we have too much hardware in the US, thanks to our profit-seeking defense industry. If we somehow need more, we will adjust, incrementally, as required.

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If Zelensky gets his way and NATO, the EU, the USA, etc..move militarily to help. We will be in a world war. Not maybe, we will.

Fun Soviet style AS logic. Ukraine in defending itself from an unjust invasion and not surrendering is leading us to a world war. But yeah Russia bad etc

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If Zelenskyy surrenders there will be no more free Ukraine. It will in large part revert back to Russia.

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Antiquesaving

Talk about over-reactionary. Chernobyl did not kill half the world. Fukushima did not kill half the world's population. Three Mile Island did not kill half the world's population.

Talk about again missing the point!

There was never a point. Just your fake wild claim. But you do that frequently.

@

Antiquesaving

01:12 pm JST

You, Zelensky, Biden, etc.. refuse negotiations on principles regardless if it kills half the world population.

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@UChosePoorly

My point is simple: the West, after all its crimes, has absolutely no moral high ground, no moral authority to judge others. To judge others one should have a sqeeky-clean record. Tell me honestly: does the West have it?

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