Zelenskyy delivers upbeat message to U.S. lawmakers on war progress as some Republican support softens

Time to stop wasting Ukrainian and Russian lives.

This is exactly what the world has been saying to Poots since he began this pointless boondoggle.

The narrative is slowly changing, elections are coming and reality is starting take hold. The "Big Offensive" has been a massive failure, the "game changers" have proved to be nothing of the sort. Good money has been thrown after bad. Its a stalemate, Russia has dug in and isn't going anywhere. Zelenskyy's cosplay performances are wearing thin.... Time to stop wasting Ukrainian and Russian lives.

Late Wednesday, Poland’s prime minister said his country is no longer sending arms to Ukraine, a comment that appeared aimed at pressuring Kyiv and put Poland’s status as a major source of military equipment in doubt as a trade dispute between the neighboring states escalates.

Ukrainian files a suit against Poland through the WTO over Polish-Ukraine grain trade disputes. This shows the amateurish nature of Ukrainian diplomacy and Zelenskyy.

Even JT posters know WTO suits are meaningless. The WTO court is backed up for years, and their resolutions never amount to anything.

Targeting Poland with this symbolic lawsuit gesture is just about the stupidest thing Ukraine could do. Poland has donated more weaponry per capita to Ukraine than any other country. Most of the Polish air force and half its tank and self-propelled artillery fleet have already gone to Ukraine, not to mention the thousands of Polish “volunteers”.

Millions of Ukrainian refugees are also living in Poland at the cost of the Polish taxpayer.

The US is not the only hand that feeds Ukraine. Don’t bite.

Zelenskyy must be completely delusional to deliver an upbeat message on war progress; their counteroffensive has been a complete failure.

“Americans’ support for Ukraine is not a charity,” he said. “It’s an investment in our own self-interest.”

Well said, McConnell.

The "Big Offensive" has been a massive failure, the "game changers" have proved to be nothing of the sort. 

Well, if the pro-Russian imperialists say so.

Its not about who says so, its simply a fact.

Tiffany

The American people are determined to see to it that we do all we can to ensure the world stands with you,” 

Biden really means- the military industrial complex is determined to ensure this war continues for as long as po$ible.

Not at all. Biden would like Putin to withdraw his troops and end the war.

So don't blame Biden on supporting the military industrial complex. That's all on Putin.

The narrative is slowly changing, elections are coming and reality is starting take hold. The "Big Offensive" has been a massive failure, the "game changers" have proved to be nothing of the sort. Good money has been thrown after bad. Its a stalemate, Russia has dug in and isn't going anywhere. Zelenskyy's cosplay performances are wearing thin.... Time to stop wasting Ukrainian and Russian lives.

Ok, ask Putin to go home

The arms manufacturers are happy to have the business. As long as Mr. Putin wants to keep this war going, those munitions will continue to be sent.

Antiquesaving

Facts are facts.

Since the start of the Ukrainian offensive they have succeeded in retaking 0.08% if the territory.

Don't believe me then go look at a map.

Then trying to deflect by repeating that Russia didn't take all of Ukraine at the start again has nothing to do with the fact the offensive failed.

The offensive hasn’t failed. It hasn’t stopped yet. And this war hasn’t stopped yet. Yet Ukraine are winning. You are confusing speed with success.

The Poles remain strong supporters of Ukraine and will continue to give aid. There is a battle for a general election coming soon. They believe still if Putin succeeds in taking over Ukraine, Poland could be next.

“We no longer transfer weapons to Ukraine because we are now arming Poland,” Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said on social media.

They have depleted their military stocks. They will fulfill the contracts they already agreed to.

The EU needs to deal with the Ukrainian grain in Poland by paying for its transport out of the country to the destination countries.

Ukraine lost the war just man up Zlesky and negotiate peace with Russia

Reality on the ground says so.

Ah yes, it's true because you, a pro-Russian imperialist, says so.

If you are really interested in Facts and reality these 2 BBC maps show what has happened and what is there reality today:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B6E3/production/_130091864_ukraine_control_quad_13_06_23_2x640-nc.png.webp

This image has 4 maps showing the main events since the invasion started.

The bottom right map shows the gains that Ukraine has made since it started its offensive.

We cannot even see any purple because the amount is so tiny, the BBC has been kind enough to blow up the region so we can see the tiny gains.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/CA78/production/_131023815_villages_regained_by_ukraine_07_09_23_640-nc-2x-nc.png.webp

This is the type of map we are generally shown on MSN in the west a close-up view of just one area that makes it look like significant gains have been made.

But zoom out and reality hits.

2020hindsights

Today 11:54 am JST

Antiquesaving

> Here are the real facts.

> No progress, rainy season is in less than a month.

> Who cares?

Well apparently NATO and every country in the west!

Sorry but do you know anything about the conflicts logistics, terrain!?

This has been repeated and repeat in every single western news service!

Once the rains come all fighting will stop for the most part and no more progress will be made by either side!

Why do you think Ukraine stopped where it did last September?

It was going great, but once the rain came their tanks, APC etc.. just got stuck in the mud, taking the paved roads means getting hit by everything from artillery, drones and air power within seconds.

This is why the offensive has been a failure the facts are Ukraine is not going to get to the Azov sea, it will not cut of supplies to Crimea, it will not even get to the only largish town in the zaporizhzhia front (Robotyne area).

So if you even listen to the most pro Ukraine MSM you would know everyone cares but up.

6 lines of defense no armour has even gotten past the first line.

> Yes it has.

I challenge you to show proof.

Waiting to see your proof any tanks have crossed the first line of tank ditches.

Only infantry in small groups without armoured support in have gotten through and the west makes it sound like a great big advance but like with the pinprick hits by Ukraine in Crimea which will change nothing.

It all make for great propaganda but doesn't change the facts on the ground.

As long as American weapons are destroying Russian arms and killing Russian invaders, I say we keep it up. Bleed them dry in more ways than one.

> Cards fan

Today 07:02 am JST

The "Big Offensive" has been a massive failure, the "game changers" have proved to be nothing of the sort.

> Well, if the pro-Russian imperialists say so

Strangerland

Today 07:07 am JST

Zelensky's full-scale counter offensive has been a complete disaster.

> His counter offensive to the 72 hour takeover of Kyiv? I'd say it's been very effective. Putin hasn't been able to even get a single soldier into Kyiv, a thousand days after the 72-hour invasion was supposed to be complete

Cards fan

Today 07:14 am JST

Its not about who says so, its simply a fact.

> Well if it makes the pro-Russian imperialists feel better about their failed invasion I guess

It has nothing to do with support for Russia,

Facts are facts.

Since the start of the Ukrainian offensive they have succeeded in retaking 0.08% if the territory.

Don't believe me then go look at a map.

Then trying to deflect by repeating that Russia didn't take all of Ukraine at the start again has nothing to do with the fact the offensive failed.

Russia failed taking all of Ukraine quickly yes but it still holds 20% of the country and Ukraine has failed to take a single city and advanced only a few kilometers for a total of 0.08%.

This is a failure no spin no deflection is going to change that simple fact.

If you disagree then point to factual large gains, give the name of a large city retaken since the Ukrainian offensive started nearly 4 months ago..

The corruption from the Biden Administration over this is insane. The DOD announced that if there is a government shutdown that the money for Ukraine wouldn’t be effected by the shutdown, but the U.S military pay might be effected.

The hatred this administration has for its own citizens and military is showing more and more every day. How could you possibly prioritize the government of Ukraine over your own military members getting paid on time.

Facts are facts.

I beg you to give facts.

Actual facts.

Not nonsense from random youtubers who interview Kremlin supporting pedophiles like Scott Ritter.

If you disagree then point to factual large gains, give the name of a large city retaken since the Ukrainian offensive started nearly 4 months ago..

Why "large" gains? Seems to me you are conceding they have indeed taken more of their land back from Russia, and I call that a success. Keep it going. Get the fascist invaders out of Ukraine.

La vie douce

but for the record, non, I'm not OK with genocide

Surrendering to Russia will result in genocide. Putin wants to Russify all of Ukraine and erase their identity.

and neither with this conflict dragging on for years to come and costing hundreds of thousands more lives on all sides in order to try to inflict "strategic defeat" on Russia through a NATO proxy war.

Ukraine aren't pushing for a strategic defeat on Russia. They are fighting for their identity. Why can't you see that. This was has nothing to do with NATO.

Its time for ceasefire negotiations.

Nope. Ukraine wants to keep their country, their people.

NATO propagandists would disagree of course.

Those don't exist.

"The offensive hasn’t failed. It hasn’t stopped yet. And this war hasn’t stopped yet. Yet Ukraine are winning. You are confusing speed with success."

It would appear you are confusing reality with wishful thinking unfortunately.

It's not wishful thinking. Saying the offensive has failed, when it is ongoing is false. Facts are facts.

Zelensky is just sending thousands of men to die without making any progress, desperately trying to get anything that could be spun into an "upbeat message". The only thing he is accomplishing is depleting Ukraine of men and depleting NATO of weapons and money.

That is why Putin is not advancing, Russian forces are standing back and letting Ukraine weaken itself.

Ukraine's counter offensive is a complete failure.

Ukraine lost the war just man up Zlesky and negotiate peace with Russia

I agree they lost, but Zelensky probably realizes that he's toast the moment he acknowledges failure.

TokyoCoffeeGuy: The DOD announced that if there is a government shutdown that the money for Ukraine wouldn’t be effected by the shutdown, but the U.S military pay might be effected.

Ah, yes. The GOP Civil War resulting in a government shutdown. Music to my ears.

What a clowning and waste of resources..

Democrats are ruining the country and the world..

Thank goodness the comedian only has one year left, either Russia finishes defeating the kyiv regime or Lord Trump stops the war..

This Castro look-alike is taking money we don't have for an endless war that will make us go bankrupt. The US national debt is at 33 trillion. To put this in persepective, each US citizen owes roughly 100k. If this war had any positive effect on inflation, I would think people would support it; however, this war is making things worse for the average person. Common sense says stop funding Zelensky.

Sorry Russians and Neutrals - Ukraine isn't going to surrender to Russia no matter how much you wish it were the case.

The only thing he is accomplishing is depleting Ukraine of men and depleting NATO of weapons and money.

And depleting Russia of the entirety of Ukraine and beyond.

It's hard for the feeble-minded here to grasp, but Ukrainians have no interest in being conquered by a corrupt and failed state like Russia for your politcal benefit.

Its true becs0ause offacts ,

What facts?

but NATO fans dont wanna admit reality.

Lol Yes. I do like NATO because it keeps fascist Russia out of it's neighboring countries. As a pro-Russian imperialist, I can see how this would be off-putting though.

The corruption from the Biden Administration over this is insane. The DOD announced that if there is a government shutdown that the money for Ukraine wouldn’t be effected by the shutdown, but the U.S military pay might be effected.

You can thank all your fellow Repub MAGA-maniacs for the shutdown...it's all on Fox, or don't you trust them?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-descends-chaos-gop-rebels-sink-key-defense-vote-second-time

The hatred this administration has for its own citizens and military is showing more and more every day. How could you possibly prioritize the government of Ukraine over your own military members getting paid on time.

Who controls the "purse strings" as our Repub friends like to brag? Who can't convince their fellow Repubs in the "Kook Caucus" to advance their own defense bill?

https://japantoday.com/category/world/mccarthy-gives-in-to-right-flank-on-spending-cuts-but-they-still-deliver-a-defeat-as-shutdown-looms#comment-3857200

Our far-right friends just cover their eyes and refuse to look at all the Repub chaos and in-fighting that is leading to a government shutdown - one easily avoidable.

And the American public will hold these incompetent Repub clowns accountable in 2024...

“The GOP Civil War resulting in a government shutdown. Music to my ears.”

Another American hating individual who instead of reading what I wrote just saw government shutdown and decided it’s all the GOP’s fault. 2020hindsights couldn’t care less about Americans, but want to push more WAR.

It’s about priorities!

Look what the Biden administration did with the Hawaiians affected by the fire, nothing, $700? That same week of the wildfire in Hawaii, the corrupt Biden administration sent another couple of billion to Ukraine

I dont think anyone is asking for / expects Ukraine to surrender

"Ah, yes...of course they don't. Thank you for the chuckle."

You seem oblivious to the dozens of posters just here who are asking / expecting just that. It annoys them constantly that Ukraine won't do this for Putin, who they have taken quite a Stockhlm Syndrome style liking to.

The ignorant life.

Who's more fascist then the commenter that thinks Taiwan isn't China or the Russians serving their country

Lmao What does Taiwan have to do with fascism? I'll tell you what's fascist: Russia.

Criticize Putin ok

Oh, thank you for permission to criticize the crook who is responsible for the war.

But lets not wish anymore lives lost

Let's not. This is how wars are won. I hope the invaders get got. Every one of them until Putin gives in. It's unfortunate, but it's what Putin chose.

If you need more proof the offensive has failed the last USA officials to visit Kyiv openly used the word "Negotiation" of course adding that Ukraine needs to decide it own fate/choice.

Cannot get a more open hint that the USA sees no win in sight!

Then we have Poland

Late Wednesday, Poland’s prime minister said his country is no longer sending arms to Ukraine, a comment that appeared aimed at pressuring Kyiv and put Poland’s status as a major source of military equipment in doubt as a trade dispute between the neighboring states escalates.

The western media is trying to spin this as just pressure over the grain problems.

But let's hear the Polish PM's words.

Mateusz Morawiecki:

We are not transferring any weapons to Ukraine because we are now aiming to defend ourselves with the most modern weapons if you want to defend yourself you have to have something to defend yourself with!

Poland has now realised that Ukraine will not win and needs to prepare for the possibility of Russia on its borders.

Cards fan

Today 09:38 am JST

Facts are facts.

> I beg you to give facts.

> Actual facts.

Here BBC maps

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/CA78/production/_131023815_villages_regained_by_ukraine_07_09_23_640-nc-2x-nc.png.webp

Total since the start

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B6E3/production/_130091864_ukraine_control_quad_13_06_23_2x640-nc.png.webp

Unless you think BBC is pro Russian!

Now used by Le Monde a respected French news publications

Warmapper:

https://www.warmapper.org/stats

All gains and losses from the start until now!

Antiquesaving

Here are the real facts.

No progress, rainy season is in less than a month.

Who cares?

6 lines of defense no armour has even gotten past the first line.

Yes it has.

Poland has pulled the plug on weapons,

No they haven't. They have an election coming up. They have to look like they are supporting the farmers.

announced pulling the plug on refugees, and in 2024 no more financial support for refugees.

Not part of the war effort.

Poland spent $3 billion in weapons to Ukraine and $16 billion in aid to refugees on top of more aid to Ukraine directly.

All of that ends in 2024.

No it won't. After the election they will continue to send weapons.

Where will the aid to keep the war going come from?

Uncle Sam has deeeep pockets, you see.

I like how you started with:

Here are the real facts.

And proceeded to state the opposite of facts. What's that called in English?

No progress, rainy season is in less than a month.

Not true.

Yes, this offensive has been such a failure that 2 capital ships have been destroyed, the Black Sea “fleet” cannot go to sea and might need to move out of Crimea.

Ukrain now threatens to cut off Crimea from resupply.

And all this without air power and the Vipers ARE on the way.

Speaking of air power, where oh where is the “mighty” Russian Air Fart?

GQP support is indeed softening because the party is in the throes of a fascist sociopath and is descending into a cult.

But the adults in charge recognize the stakes at hand and the UA will continue to be supported on a bi-partisan basis.

Sorry, goobers. The Russians are going to lose and Ukraine is going to win.

Thuban,

confused or just forgetting the facts?

Let me help you out:

"PUTAin's full-scale war has been a complete disaster.

It was supposed to be a 3-day limited operation ...."

Ukraine prevails!

2020hindsights

Today 09:44 am JST

Antiquesaving

> Facts are facts.

> Since the start of the Ukrainian offensive they have succeeded in retaking 0.08% if the territory.

> Don't believe me then go look at a map.

> Then trying to deflect by repeating that Russia didn't take all of Ukraine at the start again has nothing to do with the fact the offensive failed.

> The offensive hasn’t failed. It hasn’t stopped yet. And this war hasn’t stopped yet. Yet Ukraine are winning. You are confusing speed with success

Thank you for my morning laugh!

Interestingly, the Ukrainians who were "conquered" by Russia overwhelmingly voted to join Russia... because they were fed up with the Kiev regime trying to wipe them out.

It's hard for the feeble-minded here not to grasp the illegitimacy of those elections. I mean if Syria and North Korea accept the results, they must be legit, right? lmao

Ukraine lost the war just man up Zlesky and negotiate peace with Russia

He already tried that. Russia rejected the proposal.

Its not about who says so, its simply a fact.

Well if it makes the pro-Russian imperialists feel better about their failed invasion I guess.

Well said, McConnell.

And I'm genuinely curious to know why Republicans think Putin can be trusted. Seems to me they think this all just stops at Ukraine, and i would love to know what makes them think that.

Republican support softens

The picture of Mitch McConnell is frightening.

Zelensky's full-scale counter offensive has been a complete disaster.

His counter offensive to the 72 hour takeover of Kyiv? I'd say it's been very effective. Putin hasn't been able to even get a single soldier into Kyiv, a thousand days after the 72-hour invasion was supposed to be complete.

The "Big Offensive" has been a massive failure, the "game changers" have proved to be nothing of the sort.

Well, if the pro-Russian imperialists say so.