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Zelenskyy issues plea for support during Washington visit as Ukraine funding stalls in Congress

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Don't give him one more penny.

Corruption is out of control there.

The EU, Canada, UK and others should cough up.

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Me Zelensky, it’s i me for peace.

‘You cannot win this unless NATO tops come in t assist you and that could lead to WWIII.

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Not your country, not your call, JJE.

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Tell him, “sorry, but we gave all we can, no more, thanks for coming though.”

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Washington is opening its eyes..

They won't waste more money in a LOST war..

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“This is exactly the right time to be having President Zelenskyy in town to have these discussions, because of what’s going on in Ukraine, the increased activity we’re seeing by the Russian armed forces as winter approaches, but also what’s going on on Capitol Hill.”

Again we go to the Financial Review, over the acute urgancy of this funding. Who told us yesterday that Ukraine needs this foreign aid to pay for the government, public services, pensions and benefits – including 41 Billion USD in external financing next year, according to the budget that was passed by parliament last month. It is counting on 18 Billion USD from the EU, 8.5 billion USD from the US, 5.4 billion USD from the IMF, 1.5 Billion USD from other development banks, and 1 Billion from the UK. While negotiating with other partners, such as Japan and Canada. Otherwise “it may have to resort to monetary financing by the central bank, which could unleash hyperinflation and put financial stability at risk.

The Financial Review also previewed the next round of defense spending necessity: Specifically that "the next phase of the war will be determined by Ukraine’s ability to achieve technological superiority over Russian forces through more sophisticated electronic warfare and drone capabilities."

Sounds expensive? Likely yes, it will be expensive.

https://www.afr.com/world/europe/the-west-wavers-on-ukraine-20231210-p5eqd8.

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bass4funkToday 07:37 am JST

Tell him, “sorry, but we gave all we can, no more, thanks for coming though.”

That's quite literally not true, though: our 10 year treasury bond would be back down at 1-2% if the Federal Reserve lowered its overnight interest rate. As it is, it is less than 5% which is hardly country ending.

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That's quite literally not true, though: our 10 year treasury bond would be back down at 1-2% if the Federal Reserve lowered its overnight interest rate. As it is, it is less than 5% which is hardly country ending.

And to that point that’s our money that we need to use for our nation, we have been more than gracious in giving aid to Ukraine, it’s enough.

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bass4funkToday 07:57 am JST

That's quite literally not true, though: our 10 year treasury bond would be back down at 1-2% if the Federal Reserve lowered its overnight interest rate. As it is, it is less than 5% which is hardly country ending.

And to that point that’s our money that we need to use for our nation, we have been more than gracious in giving aid to Ukraine, it’s enough.

With our national security and your party's reputation on the line, we need to use it for our ally's defense. Nothing to do with generosity.

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Taiwan

My dear fellow, just check what’s happened the previous decade or decades even.

Mr Putin didn’t decide out of the flash of a pan whilst eating his cornflakes one morning. Life isn’t black and white and nor is the reason for this conflict.

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falseflagsteveToday 08:05 am JST

Taiwan

My dear fellow, just check what’s happened the previous decade or decades even.

Mr Putin didn’t decide out of the flash of a pan whilst eating his cornflakes one morning. Life isn’t black and white and nor is the reason for this conflict.

My dear fellow, tanks were rolling only one direction on Feb. 24th, 2022 and that was towards Kyiv. Putin also had an obligation to be honest with his thinking rather than issuing nonsensical demands before setting his neighbor's house on fire.

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It's not a lost cause, though:

To most Americans it is.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

Russia has proven incapable of taking a major city but that was with US support. And Germany has 1/4 of our population and doesn't have reserve currency status like the US has

And we have given more than enough.

With our national security and your party's reputation on the line, we need to use it for our ally's defense.

Which has nothing to do with Ukraine.

Nothing to do with generosity.

Yes, it does. We were generous because we felt we needed and were obligated to help Ukraine, we did that and now and that spigot needs to be turned off.

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bass4funkToday 08:10 am JST

It's not a lost cause, though:

To most Americans it is.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

51% is within the margin of error, and this is why we have representatives: to protect us from our idiocy.

With our national security and your party's reputation on the line, we need to use it for our ally's defense.

Which has nothing to do with Ukraine.

Nope. Ukraine with it's 40 million people and huge Black Sea coastline is a vital ally. Israel with its 7 million people of advantage to no one is not. Also you should be worried about your party's reputation.

Nothing to do with generosity.

Yes, it does. We were generous because we felt we needed and were obligated to help Ukraine, we did that and now and that spigot needs to be turned off.

The need of both US and Ukraine's national security has not gone away. Anyone that didn't understand that this wasn't a charity mission, I have serious questions about their intelligence.

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Remember, this is the the Republican Party that Trump built you're dealing with, so everything is tit for tat or quid pro quo.

They care far too little about defending democracy or freedom against brutal dictators.

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Imagine if all that funding was invested back into the US instead, we could have amazing social programs, higher-quality education, etc. Instead it all gets sent overseas to blow stuff up. Very cool.

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51% is within the margin of error, and this is why we have representatives: to protect us from our idiocy.

And?

Nope. Ukraine with it's 40 million people and huge Black Sea coastline is a vital ally.

Not according to the Pentagon and history

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-israel-allies-2017-2

Israel with its 7 million people of advantage to no one is not.

It is, and based on the years of intel we have have been given that has been crucial to the safety of the U.S. for years

Also you should be worried about your party's reputation.

No, the most important thing is that they stay true to their promises and constituents.

The need of both US and Ukraine's

Ukraine for what? This is the first time hearing this? How have they been instrumental on the war on terror? Hmmm..

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So who told Zelensky the bad news?

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Yharnam ResidentToday 09:29 am JST

Imagine if all that funding was invested back into the US instead, we could have amazing social programs, higher-quality education, etc. Instead it all gets sent overseas to blow stuff up. Very cool.

It's $100 billion. If the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill didn't turn the US into a utopia, why do you think $100 billion would?

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bass4funkToday 09:34 am JST

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-israel-allies-2017-2

Half of that article is all of the problems Israel causes and it leads off by telling you there are no forward deployed US troops in Israel.

Israel with its 7 million people of advantage to no one is not.

It is, and based on the years of intel we have have been given that has been crucial to the safety of the U.S. for years

They even tell you in your article that the information flows only towards the parasite state. There would be no benefit to the US of the supposedly advanced Mossad, which can't even control their own territory, if we weren't the supplier to Israel.

The need of both US and Ukraine's

Ukraine for what? This is the first time hearing this? How have they been instrumental on the war on terror? Hmmm..

You know what will hurt you and your family even more than the war on terror? A conventional war you won't be able to run away from.

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and this is why we have representatives: to protect us from our idiocy.

how is that possible when our representatives exist to….represent us.

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Half of that article is all of the problems Israel causes and it leads off by telling you there are no forward deployed US troops in Israel.

Which has nothing to do with you skipping over how vital of an ally Israel is.

They even tell you in your article that the information flows only towards the parasite state.

Parasite, thanks to Israel their intel helped us locate Soleimani and take him out.

There would be no benefit to the US of the supposedly advanced Mossad, which can't even control their own territory, if we weren't the supplier to Israel.

I disagree as does the Pentagon and thankfully you don’t get to make that call. Lol

You know what will hurt you and your family even more than the war on terror? A conventional war you won't be able to run away from.

No, I’m more worried about China.

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The writing is on the wall - as if it hasnt been some time.

Stop burning money that could really do some good in home countries on this failed war. The squaudering of tax payers money is actually criminal.

Ukraine will not prevail. It was never going to prevail.

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The writing is on the wall - as if it hasnt been some time.

Stop burning money that could really do some good in home countries on this failed war. The squaudering of tax payers money is actually criminal.

Ukraine will not prevail. It was never going to prevail.

Sadly, I agree.

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Toblerone

The writing is on the wall - as if it hasnt been some time.

Stop burning money that could really do some good in home countries on this failed war. The squaudering of tax payers money is actually criminal.

Ukraine will not prevail. It was never going to prevail.

They have to. Putin still wants to take Kharkiv and Odesa and so he won't stop any time soon. Luckily the Russian army is not that effective. But expect this war to end any time soon.

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*don't

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Russia has not even committed its real troops yet. Meanwhile Ukraine is down to fielding as soldiers old men and pregnant women.

The Germans found out the hard way too.

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Russia has not even committed its real troops yet. 

Why would you believe this? It’s clearly not true.

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