Why "never"? I can see in future a reunification under the same model of China and Hong Kong, except if you think the US and China will have a new military clash for the full control of the peninsula. In any case, this "new Country" will be a Country hostile to Japan as both the current Koreas are. South Koreans never learned or admitted Japanese role in their development. There's no way Korean population will be able to see Japan in a friendly way, no matter how many money Japan invests in the peninsula. This strategy already failed. Their mindest always remains stuck in the "We'll never lose to Japan again". In the collective imaginary, Japan has always been portrayed in South Korea like the Country that only humiliated, attacked and destroyed Korea for centuries. They never see any positive influence that Japan has had in their development after WWII. This is their biased mindest, and they learn this rethoric since they are children. Reading South Korean newspapers can give you a good idea of the general situation, and it makes you feel a bit uneasy, especially if you are from a European Country, since here any similar emotional rethoric towards another Country would be seen like extreme right wing propaganda.
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The US obviously hope for a Korean reunification under American influence, and they want Japan can fuel money in the Korean peninsula for this project, exactly like it forced Japan to sponsor South Korea's development in anti-communist function. The result for Japan has been to create a middle sized economic powerhouse extremely hostile to it. America can't force Japan in the same mistake. Do you want the reunification of the Korean peninsula? Make that by yourself, without using Japanese money. It's stupid for Japan helping the growth of an enemy Country. Both the Koreas are already in Chinese hands anyway.
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The US want to force this alliance to keep their role in this region, but South Korea and North Korea are actually the same Country, that is waiting for reunification to face a common enemy: Japan. It's useless that the US want to force the South Koreans to see Japanese as allies, it never worked and it will never work. South Korea identify has been built up on their anti-Japanese feelings, not on their anti-North Korean feelings. Washington can't ignore the truth.
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@Cogito Ergo Sum: you are welcome. I advised you that article because I found it well balanced enough.
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@Cogito Ergo Sum: if you want, you can read this long article that basically says what I wrote.
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To South Korea, it doesn't matter if Japan already compensated the Country, invested in it and given a lot of economic aid for decades. They see the 1965 Treaty like something that the US forced on them, while they weren't in the condition to decide personally. The anti-Japanese feelings were always present, also while South Korea got benefits from Japanese economic support and sharing of know how. South Korea always used these feelings as a political tool to distract from other problems, but this doesn't mean their view that they were never properly compensated by Japan is only a tool. It's what they actually think. The fact that China replaced Japan in terms of importance for South Korea, finally gave them the chance to be diplomatically always harsher with Japan. This is what happened in the last years.
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P.S. My explaination is based on tons of articles that I read on geopolitical magazines these days, it's not a personal speculation.
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@Cogito ergo sum: honestly, that's not the case. Japan invested in South Korea for decades, and South Korea developed also thanks to this. Diplomatically, this was necessary in anti-communist key. South Korea relied on Japan for its own growth for years, and this created stability in the geopolitical order in East Asia. What changed completely the things, has been the growth of China. Indeed, China is progressively replacing Korean reliance on Japan economically. And this brought also a huge change in the diplomatic situation: South Korea became harsher towards Japan, and always closer to China. Now, China is suppling many industrial components to South Korea that only until some years ago, Japan supplied to South Korea. The fact that South Korea is dragged into Chinese sphere of influence, is basically behind the increasing anti-Japanese feelings in South Korea. Koreans feel they don't need Japanese anymore, so they think they can ask for further war compensation, despite the 1965 Treaty was basically made by the US. Japan can't accept Korean claims to open the war compensation problems over and over again, so it is finally reacting. The US are afraid because they know South Korea became closer to China very much. Hurting Iran is also a way to hurt China, so they are involving South Korea in the anti-Iran coalition.
Basically, everything is always about China/USA challenge in the region.
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from American coercition in siding **against*** Iran, I meant.
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Since some people here trusts only Korean media, I will link you this article:
where they say clearly, even though it's just few lines, that siding with the Hormuz initiative, South Korea is known to have received Washington's "unofficial support" in the trade row with Japan.
Please, imagine to be a South Korean person who didn't want to be involved in the American mess in the Middle East. If they read these lines, they will think "oh, well, but America is helping us with the evil Japanese that are ruining our economy!!! So we must help them".
But if you read at least this article https://thediplomat.com/2019/06/the-price-of-us-iran-tensions-for-south-korea/ , you can see like supporting American interests against Iran hurt South Korean economy way more than any Japanese export controlls could do.
Indeed, American sanctions on Iran hurt heavily both Korean firms projects in Iran and the import of Iran oil. Read the article from the diplomat, and you'll see an impressive scenario.
Japanese export controlls on some materials will have a very limited impact on Korean firms, since the global demand of chips worldwide is already depressed as hell.
Cutting the production of chips is more a consequence of weak market condition than any Japanese export controlls, that will be used as an excuse if the Korean companies profits will continue to plunge.
So yeah, if you people will continue to tell me that South Korea isn't using the anti-Japan card to distract people from American coercition in siding with Iran, sorry but you can't persuade me.
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South Korea is occupied by the US for decades, and it needs a political tool to distract the public opinion from this and other problems. The anti-Japan tool is their card, obviously they can't complain directly with their current colonizer.
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Someone is implying that South Korea submissive relationship with the US is something recent. I don't even.
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@Christopher Lowery: I read that article from the Diplomat too. It's impressive how much South Korea lost because of American sanctions on Iran. And now, South Korean government already accepted to be involved in the anti-Iran American coalition. Obviously, the South Koreans in this moment should protest against the US. The anti-Japanese feelings around stuff happened almost one century ago are fueled to distract people from their current submissive relationship with the US, that are ALWAYS the real winners in the silly South Korea and Japan bickering.
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South Korea already accepted to support the US in Iran. This is obviously a defeat for South Korean people, involved in something that can hurt their national interests way more than Japanese export controlls. Japan could accept to support the US in Iran too. This is what the US really wanted from the two Asian Countries, that had only to find an excuse in front of their public opinion for this involvment in Iran. "The uncle Sam solved our trade dispute, so we have to help him". Some people in these comments cannot see the obvious.
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Thanks to this small trade problem, with the excuse to mediate, Trump is winning both South Korean and Japanese involvment in Iran, without the public opinion of both the Countries can notice it too much.
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speechless* I meant.
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Seriously, involving high school kids...I am speachless.
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South Korea was included in Japan's white list only since 2004, so when they say the removal from that list would ruin an economic relationship developed in 60 years they aren't objectively correct. It's a preferential treatment that South Korea got only recently.
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@Strangerland: I think we have to learn to use the media properly. Samit Basu linked an article by KBS, a Korean media, whose title is: "Russia Expresses Regret over Intrusion of S. Korean Airspace".
I wasn't able to find any evidence about this in Russian press, at least so far, and I linked you a couple of articles from Russia Today where Russia denies South Korean claims.
Now, let's look at this BBC article:
The title is: "Russia expresses regret after South Korean airspace violation - Korean officials"
Unlike the KBS article's title, BBC title says that Russia apologized according to Korean officials.
And if you read the article, they say that Russian officials didn't confirm Korean officials claims about Russia apologizing.
On Tuesday, Seoul said a Russian warplane had twice violated its territorial airspace.
The Russian defence ministry had earlier furiously denied this.
But South Korea's Blue House said in a briefing that Russia had now said the violation was unintended and that it would immediately launch an investigation into the case.
"Moscow said if the aircraft flew according to an initially planned route, this incident would not have occurred," a spokesman told reporters.
This has not been confirmed by Russian officials.
Also on Wednesday, China's defence ministry denied any of the planes had entered the territorial air space of any country.
So, while also the BBC artcile could be a bit biased in a pro-South Korean way, AT LEAST we can see it shows BOTH South Korean point of view and Russian point of view. If you read ONLY the KBS article linked by Samit Basu, you would think that it's A FACT that Russia apologized.
If we compare the three articles, so far the most biased one is the South Korean one, despite it is a "Western" source.
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@Kurumazaka: yeah, also your point does make sense, but it's not completely in contrast with mine. After I read Russian press, as you can see basically Russia denies the existance of "KADIZ" (while according to Korean officials, Russia apologized about violating their airspace). So there wasn't any provocation according to Russia.
Turning this event into a Russia threats to South Korea sovreignty is convenient to show Korean public they need the trilateral cooperation between US/South Korea/Japan.
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@Strangerland: Can you show that Western press is really better than Russian or Chinese press, without speakings about Western rankings? You are speaking about conspiracy theories, but thanks to one of these ones, never confirmed by facts, about mass weapons of destruction in Iraq, the US started a war against that Country. I think here in the West we are manipulated enough!
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Western media comes from Western countries that rank way higher than Russia with press freedoms.
Rankings made by Western organizations, not biased at all. Uh?
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Russia is saying that isn't even South Korean airspace, but according to Korean press, Russia apologized. Lol.
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Good for you. What does that have to do with your assertion that "Western press" isn't any better than Russian media as seen below?
Because it's not better. It's biased too. In this case, tell me. South Korea press is saying Russia apologized, while Russia press denies anything South Korea press is saying. What do you think?
Russia Today also published a video:
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@Strangerland: I said we should always consider all the different sources. For example @Samit Basu linked an article from the Korean press about Russia apologizing to South Korea, but I am not able to find any similar article in the Russian press.
From Russia Today about this topic:
Earlier in the day, Seoul’s Joint Chiefs of Staff committee claimed their jets were scrambled to intercept the intruding Russian aircraft which violated South Korean airspace twice. Moscow insists the encounter took place over 25km from the isles of Dokdo (known as Takeshima in Japan), and that they recorded no violation of aerial borders by Russian planes.
Rejecting the JCS accusations that the Tu-95s breached South Korea’s air defense identification zone (KADIZ), Russia said there are no international regulations that stipulate the existence of these areas.
Moscow does not recognize them either, “which was repeatedly communicated to the South Korean side through various channels.” At the end of the mid-air encounter, the South Korean jets fired flares and went away, the ministry stated.
Moscow also denied reports that “warning shots” were fired at the Tu-95s. If that was the case and the Russian pilots considered themselves in danger, there would have been “an answer” to that.
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@Strangerland: look, after I read Western, Russian and Chinese press about this fact, I can tell you my theory. I doubt it's true Russia violated South Korean airspace. This fact is simply too convenient in this moment for Bolton mission in South Korea, where he must persuade Seoul of the need of confirming the trilateral collaboration between South Korea, US and Japan against the threat represented by Russia, China and North Korea. Of course, I could be wrong, but the timing of this supposed event is rather suspicious.
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@Strangerland: whatever you like to think. I improved my critical skills since I started to read newspapers from all over the world, and of every political orientation. Later I put the pieces together. At the moment, I don't see why Russia needed to annoy South Korean left winger Moon. I need more "pieces". ;)
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@Strangerland: You are right, but I think the last decades showed us that Western press isn't better.
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I just read some Russian newspapers in English, and they deny both they violated any airspace AND the fact that South Koreans fired some warning shots. Eh, which is the Truth?
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@Chip Star: my original post is based on the fact all comments posted before mine trusted the Korean claims and supported their aggressive action. Again, we should consider both the points of view. And, again, I wonder why should Russia annoy South Korea right now, when only some days ago it offered to supply some material to Korean chip makers?
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